LHA Board of Commissioners – April 2023

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Longmont Housing Authority Board of Commissioners – April 2023

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One Housing Authority Board of Commissioners regular meeting session today, April 18 20.3.

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So can we have the roll call start. Commission chair

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Commissioner Marsha Barton, Commissioner to waters

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Herald to me because Interim Executive Director

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Molly O’Donnell, healthy director, all assistants sarony don’t seem to be forgotten our regional manager, Susie, they’ll look very sharp

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so we have

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agenda revisions and submissions of documents we are tonight. We have

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so we do have gender revisions and submissions.

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Eric, we had a resolution in the LHC was supposed to

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get them together, or whatever. Teams we drafted the resolution to take that into consideration. And so we’re

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attached

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revisions, there’s a revision,

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revision and

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that was the extra email that you sent correct.

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So we need to review improvements in February 21.

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Will be

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I am reading the wrong thing and actually reading

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so we can have the approval of the watch 14 minutes of motion

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to approve the minutes.

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So they’ve been approved by Commissioner for double hearing seconded by Commissioner McCoy’s discussion.

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All those in favor, say aye. Aye.

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Those opposed?

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No minutes. That was a reason. They’ve improved.

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We have public invited to be heard. I see public here we have three minutes.

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So I am Georgiana Johnston, I think she got my thing. And

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I came with him because there’s

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we’re having some problems. No ways and like people about us. And we just wanted to see maybe how we get worked out because this lady we have. I’ve known her she’s been in there since seven years since I have. But

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she has

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oxygen, and then she has a walker. And then she has a TV. Anyway, I’ve lived there going on seven years and myself. I had some problems with the lady upstairs is running his sweeper at two or three in the morning. And she’s writing furniture and I listened to her for about a week or so. And then I went up real nice. And she quit. So she didn’t want to. So anyway this this other lady

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him and I went up and talk to her. And

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she kind of struggled a little bit with that. And then he went up by itself he can talk about itself. And I went in and I heard a noise in his place it sounds like a train wreck. Nobody can endure it. You know, living there and and so anyway, I just feel like somewhere somehow. I know there’s several of them that have that have this and I just feel like somewhere somehow we ought to be able to work out this with the noise and stuff. I did bring a letter that I did write her real nice when I went through this and but

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it’s I’ll give you and the heroes to because you know it’s not the first ones that have problems. It’s just

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we want to work it out. And she did kinda but already set up and tell you know, kind of what went on in a nice way because she kind of got upset about given things she has oil and stuff. But I just want to know I just want to know

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Nobody can put up with vas. I mean, he’s struggling, I couldn’t live there. And then a down below, the lady below me, she had problems with my grandkids to come and visit. And she complained a little bit at one time and kind of went, we worked that out with the best of friends and I am friends with Pam two. But I’m just I just want to say in a nice way that nobody could continue in during this and it’s not. I can say it’s not fair. It’s much nobody wants to have are going somewhere there’s got to be a solution to not let some way work out the notes. Okay. Okay.

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Thank you. You’re welcome. Thank you for letting me talk. Thank you

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for allowing me to speak. My name is Kevin King. Our lives are critical most to 16. That’s under la che where our mama and I’ve been there eight and a half months, the last three and a half months, new real estate will get above me. And she just happens to have a lot of chronic long term medical problems. And part of that includes having to have an oxygen machine on 24 hours a day, seven days a week, it doesn’t matter comes off yes, which is very wise.

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So this machine

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is part of a

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lot of migrations that go down into mice, my floors are the walls and bedroom is not usable. And the bathroom if you’re cooking out of there, that’s fine. And I’ve been on the couch

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so it’s afforded me little sleep and have to take naps during the day. And I do use earplugs and reduce trill I was in the couch and my dad’s broken an RV staying close. It’s not really just an inconvenience, but it’s actually a health problem. In the new rules, a lot a lot a lot of studies over the last several years around when you’re sleep deprived, particularly to sleep in a deep sleep, a number of things happen, the key things are

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a failure. And

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it really helps out by complex regenerating. At night. It’s also deep sleep that we have REM sleep REM rapid eye movement and in that sleep. That’s where we dream and do a number of things to once again renewing regenerate the mind body. And when that is lacking or deprived.

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We have a lot of harmful effects to mental, emotional, and physical.

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In our lease, it is stated during a thing called quiet time, this point in time was supposed to be from 10pm to 7am.

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It was stated there but hard to enforce, I guess. So it’s not always quiet during that time and a nice idea to try to guarantee that people get some sleep. And in terms of legalese. We have a term in the lease that was shared with us by Lisa a week ago. So it’s called Quiet enjoyment. This is sort of a legal way to refer to just an inherent right that people have to some quiet enjoyment. So it is in our lease. And there are a lot of quiet and it’s difficult to get

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quiet and sleep and silence. I’d like everyone to remember everything that comes from the machine is not heard. There’s a new world vibrations and frequencies that come out that are not heard that permeate walls and floors and air spaces. I’m directly under there. So I kind of need to get round to that but there’s a real apartment also. So your three minutes. I think that we have the overall thing that you are addressing this with okay. Just a few services.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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So

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the community manager and then we do have a fair housing situation here so we can’t discuss. Exactly

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Okay, thank you. We are now

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Have a great day.

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else. So we’re going over the business of talking about the resolutions. When I looked at the side, when I read them, I have two that are 20 2314. And you see that

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it’s quite it’s a little bit

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further 15 students, there’s a 2014 and

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a 14 and a 15, you have to 14

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Red Line

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Eric has the 14th at the end of the packet or the 14th in

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the red, okay.

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So who wants to do the resolutions. So I’ll give a descriptor for these again.

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So in advance of the anticipated closing of the Zinnia project, so closing meeting on the tax credits and all the financial dealings that’s anticipated to happen by May 12. And so this is your last opportunity to see this before that happens. So we have to do a couple of items of business for that. So resolution 20 2314 is has a couple of things on it. The most simple is this board has already accepted ARPA grant funds from the city. And so you’ll be loading the those funds into the partnership. So but it’s in the waterfall and the deal structure. So that’s one

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thing that would happen. And then the other one is the LH DC has already voted to provide $285,000 in funds to this project. They originally voted back on March 22, to loan it straight into the partnership. But what we would like to do instead at special counsels advice is to have them grant the funds to La chain and lmha loans into the partnership because they want to dissolve. So therefore we don’t have to do another subsequent step later to move that all back over to La chain. So that eventually Lhh would be the if the loan is paid back in the future either at sale of the property or more recent vacation, then that will come village it at that tiny also have the opportunities leave the money in if it’s staying affordable or meets certain goals that you have.

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So the reason that there’s an amendment is that we were trying to get el hdc to modify their votes and enter a resolution here last week in advance of this meeting to change that recommendation from a direct loan to the partnership going through the FHA first, but they weren’t able to get a quorum because one person is out of the country and doesn’t have access. So we revised the resolution so that it basically says subject to the L hdc.

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Agreeing to do the grant option, then you will accept the grant and that love it. It’s a partnership so it just adds that qualifier there

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so good a motion to approve the resolution.

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Mr. Waters, make the motion to approve pretty quick report second by Commissioner

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discussion.

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Seeing them

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I wasn’t favor

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pose

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that passes unanimously.

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So we actually agree with you. And

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if you have like a description, I can give a description. So you just do it.

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This is just for the homework projects. too big too big finance deals on this

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Tonight. So this is where it’s your last meeting, you accepted ARPA funds as well. And the amount of $800,000 to purchase the land at 1764 1780 hoever, from HTC. So this is to the resolution to sign the purchase and sale agreement and LHD. See, we’ll be considering a similar motion once they have their form.

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So this will stop that purchase process.

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I want you to resolution 20 frames per second

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by Commissioner

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Rodriguez.

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Boyd, is there any discussion?

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Seeing none, let’s vote. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? That passes unanimously.

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Thank you.

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So you’re interrupted.

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So keep things in this, go into development updates, I’m always talking about the closing borders, in which construction

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is really good.

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Obviously, we’ve talked a little bit about Christmas that continues to move forward for having

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tility issues with it. So it’s, in fact, a couple of other things pertaining

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to that. That’s all done. So now we just need to get the gas

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move. So that can continue. It’s not stopping anything. But it’s not allowing us not allowing it

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strictly.

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In terms of the holder property, we’re continuing to

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move through

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site design on this one. And then we had Shannon here with you all. And he talked about the issues, concept of early childhood, and the financial constraints. Since the last meeting, we’ve been made aware of

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a couple of opportunities for grant funds to partner on that early childhood piece. So we’re rebuilding it back in to the site plan.

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And looking at how we can leverage some of the additional funds. There’s a couple of sources that we’re evaluating.

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Hopefully, we’ll have some more information in the near future. So as you all said before, housing, she can’t get it.

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So we’re still moving a little bit back and forth on that piece. And hopefully,

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we got some really good indication. And I think we’d be really competitive in some of these grants. I think now it’s really just figuring out which one of the

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nation’s foundations. So

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they’re really working all the avenues in terms of where we can try and make this happen to replace staying focused on it. But obviously, we need to get the housing down.

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And so that’s really the development updates that we have today. In terms of

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before we get into some of the more specific information

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directly.

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One of the things that we’ve been working on is trying to solve the snow issue. So last year.

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We wanted to snow today, we wanted to snow melt, we want to manage the cost of snow removal. So last last year, we budgeted $178,000

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budget, actual expenses. So we’re just over $200,000 and we have to deal with so obviously Mother Nature really rules, how we approach it.

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So I think we talked to you all about partnering with the city and fleet services to really see how we can get some equipment in so we can bring that in house part of the other challenge that we’re having the contracting personnel level if they’re facing the same labor issues that we’re facing. And so while they’ve done a good job, you know, we still struggle with getting over time because their staffing issues. They had a conversation this week.

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And it looks like we’re going to be able to do two things. One is we’re going to acquire a truck that’s still in really good shape that the city was gonna put on auction

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and are trying to

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add, get the blade,

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a lift gate, and a saber on that

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and

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It’s like all the cost in year one is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $31,000,

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we will then have to start

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a replacement account for that which the actual cost of that truck needs probably going to be somewhere, it’s not as hard. So we’re going to want to set a five year replacement on that one, because it’s age. So year one we’re thinking would be total cost, including maintenance and fuel without 31,000. And then over the next four years, that’s going to be 22,000. is looking at another truck probably work.

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And that is not going to have the sander but it will have utility box, which will double then for maintenance staff and living from facility to facility.

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Our estimates that’s going to be 4000 in year one,

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and then another 22,000 basis. So what that means for us, and we look at where we are in the snow budget today.

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We spent about $65,000. Today, I want to have to push that out pretty, pretty aggressively and say, Well, it’s been 90,000, what we have, we have 68,000. So far this year for two trucks that we did.

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That leaves us a gap to fill to get them to trucks and files, about six emails and knowledge.

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We’re also looking at a trailer and

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a

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bonus style,

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cover eating area, and, or a brush that looks like that’s a little more expensive based on age. But we think that’s going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000. So that adds another 50,000 for this year, and then until 2001 On that basis. So

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theoretically, I think worst case scenario would have to bridge 90,000, the timing may actually work out but holding second truck because it may not get it to next year, which we can hire students budget to bring that down.

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The punch line to all of this is we think we will aid you if we’re very competent, we’re gonna get faster service and all the product properties and get a higher quality. But when you move into the next year, the ongoing costs with the replacement built in is going to be about $76,000. So if you look at it in terms of what’s budgeted 100 178,000.

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That’s going to

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generate about $100,000 in savings on an annual basis for the housing authority,

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that will then augment the Housing Authority general fund, but it also relieves the pressures on each of the individual property. So we think we’re going to get a higher level of service. And it’s gonna be a lot less expensive. And so those are things that I can work in with the existing budget, but I just wanted to that was small, in terms of this is the trajectory that

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we’re trying to work on, we may have to come back, depending on some timing issues, bridging that funding gap. And we may have to do a short term loan between the Housing Authority and the city to get us into the next question here.

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In this case, I am not touching any of the city aspects of this gem of cash or handling that. So Joe is the city’s negotiation negotiator.

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And I’m over here and it’s not inherited any different

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processes, tremendous cost savings, and definitely an operational improvement.

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I am starting to talk to the properties about this as we’re going around doesn’t really change the fact that can’t shuffle between cars because it’s still a liability issue.

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We’re really happy with this approach because

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it’s highly possible we can exceed the 200,000 this year and probably even 250,000 If you have a few more snows in the fall turns out like it did last year. So we need to really financially make

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any questions on that.

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On the topic of selling buildings, you know, we have a center for people with disabilities they’re in that facility. We actually are now engaging with them terminals

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Okay,

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so who is placed across from the courthouse or as a small rectangular building to the

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more that they have been in that building for a long time. And they’re definitely interested in perceiving or in conversations. Now, one of the things that we’re working out is

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actually going into a service contract for a value that will be negotiated and the price of the token, but we’re when we’re dealing with issues related to individuals with disabilities,

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provide support services to those individuals and also work training programs. So it is really bringing value at into what we’re doing. So hopefully, in the very near future, we will have some

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we talked about vouchers.

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And one of our goals is to increase the number of vouchers that we have, as you all know, it’s not necessarily the number of vouchers that you need to increase, it’s actually the value of dollars that you get coming in. So you can have for about 2

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million I made a presentation about affordable housing, to community, more progressive

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moves are we going to get more section $8 and Housing Choice Voucher?

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Well, that has to get into, obviously, when we came in, and we talked about the work we needed to do. And we evaluated how many vouchers we had

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active in the community and using as much money as we possibly can.

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That’s important, because that tells you more about it, because you have more circulation,

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we we’ve been notified that it’s looking like we’re going to be pretty confident that we’re going to get an increase in the dollar about their

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current from for housing choice vouchers.

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Maybe in the neighborhood of 7.5 cents or

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whatever goal. And so

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you know, it’s never done until it’s nine. When you’re getting a doctor’s visit, you’re gonna get inject more

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funds into our Housing Choice Voucher Program. It’s key for a few reasons. One, that actually gives us the ability to increase project based vouchers. So as you get more money, that lets us have potentially more project based vouchers. So when you’re trying to

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over project or Zinnia to meet, bring those project based vouchers into it to make the financials really work over time.

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Obviously, we can assist more people as we’re doing this. But I think the big thing, really talked about this as a separate goal, and we want to get more dollars in, we talked about we need to get better at spending money and making sure we’re writing that mind where you’re as close as you can get into your tool, or you don’t overspend. And you’re not understanding. And I think you’re you know, in the past last year or two

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other housing authorities did get more money into these accounts. And we did.

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So the fact that I think we’re now starting to enter into that conversation of getting more funds, is really a testament to the work that all of these folks are doing.

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And managing that housing, tracing. And managing that housing choice voucher, we’re expending a lot of our work, no need to be so.

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Hopefully next time we’ll have our number seven and a half percent increase in funding as

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well. That is depends on the year, but I’m waiting for Kendra has been in audits on any of our auditors in town. So well, she went home for the day and

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exact number three, yeah, so Well, you know,

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it’s good news.

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So many landlords are actually accepting such.

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Are there any

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action there? There are.

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We’re trying to assess. On the other side we kind of talked about this before is

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anything we’re seeing at times, individuals can’t find. And so we’re trying to get a sense of

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not only how many people that we have housed in our housing choice voucher program, but how many people are seen from other entities in Boulder County collaborative because before we all took it over there, just the agreement that said if people are housing groups in your community, for young people over

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the skills

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they care about

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There’s so what we’re trying to understand the resident kept about the agencies and so forth, boarding across, and which will be the issues I talked about that

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we have a lot of people from these other agencies that are in our community and our recording.

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And so what we’re trying to do is to get a sense of what that really looks like to understand, do we need to have a different conversation because

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it may or may not, it may be a wash. We could be ahead or behind, but we think we need to figure out whether or not with a product because that really impacts our community. So a lot of work on the couch.

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They don’t

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assume they’ve got they’ve got people who need it was whatever us.

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Moving that bouncer over to?

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No, so we have. So in Longmont, we have people with housing choice vouchers that have their vouchers come from yellow J or older housing partners, or Boulder County Housing Authority. They’re all we’re all here. But we’re all operating our vouchers countywide. And so the the analysis we’re doing is finding out the data that we can about how many people how much are we sharing across the three?

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Because the reason that it was put in that that agreement originally was to reduce the amount of administrative paperwork from criss crossing all over. And it does, it allows people to have more choice of where they live. But it’s been a long time, we looked at what are the numbers actually look like? So that’s the

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voucher doesn’t isn’t important with a resume.

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And the agency’s hands on that.

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Then Are they awarding that Boucher to another resident?

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Yes, we’re applicant. So if it’s 40. So for example, right now, somebody goes from the Fort Collins housing or your loved one Housing Authority, and it comes in birth restriction. We have the choice

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over

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minimal administrative fees.

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But when you look at the dollar amounts, when he talks about

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project based vouchers, it doesn’t, because it’s based on your total dollars in your system. And so that’s what we’re trying to understand what’s the nuances and what’s the impact us?

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And when I mentioned it to you on morality, you know, when I also see the housing members in the cost of rental housing, and some of the other things, obviously won more votes constantly cabinet.

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And, and from seeing people who are getting answers to our system that can’t find

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one figure out why, what does that really mean? So we don’t know what the answer is. We just want to look at it and understand what’s already losing, what can we gain? And to figure it out, does there need to be a conversation does not need to be a conversation, that we think it’s something we have to do to change. We’re in a different type of

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person I understand that got up to the point where they come into this area.

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And then I lost track of what happens. So if you have a voucher, and typically the way it works in the housing authority world is if you move housing authority, a to housing authority B, Housing Authority be has the opportunity of saying that keeping vouchers and memory

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or no, we want to forget about your in our system

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administration and do the inspections and recertifications and development. And I understood that part.

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While the not sure what we’re doing in what are we not sure what the optimum for us? Because I don’t think we’ve ever all we know because this is free any of us

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is that there was an agreement that said if you’re moving from city to city within Boulder County

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you’re not gonna point

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but the examples you gave were from Larimer County. Yeah, that’s the example because that’s how it would work. Absent this agreement. What we don’t know is is this agreement

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serving the best interests of the law about housing.

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Because there are implications on the surface, reduces administration. We don’t have all this work to do. I think

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has to be weighted against the value of putting it in and what that means in terms of project based vouchers and real dollars.

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We don’t know the answer, but we know we

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can just presume. So Marsha has, has a voucher with all that.

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She moves she wants to go to

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the port would be to move the voucher to our housing, and the dog and the dogs. And she’s telling me some of the same number of dollars.

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The only question is, who owns the voucher?

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We own the boundary, my understanding if we, the more vouchers we have that are utilized, the more we’re eligible for exceptional years, that’s the reason we might want 40 Although there is paperwork because of that, whatever happens, right? So the question is, are the margins the margins are more enough to take on. So

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let’s just not port, but the agencies will manage whatever they gotta meet.

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So we have our voucher holders, le J voucher holders who live in Lafayette, how many we have outside of Walmart versus in how many does boulder have outside of Boulder versus in?

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That’s

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clear what started this for me is my gut instinct says when other people were low rates,

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it’s hard to imagine

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that we have a lot of folks moving from here now. I think the reality is probably this way. Instead, what? What’s the ROI in terms of for us?

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And there’s also some economic impact.

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Our dollars, supposedly already gets regulated spending for that.

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But that also goes the other way, because bhp and BCHA, their account holders are renting. And

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there’s a lot

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we don’t know. But

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any business case, I think you have to evaluate those things. And really understand

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what does the world look like for us, instead of just keep going down the road, we need to start digging into these things and figure out what is the best

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inclination would be that he was so used to stress that they were looking at these papers. I don’t know how long this has been.

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It’s centered around the housing stations. So today’s

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we want to make

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sure so can up. So we are still holding about 93% occupied. We’re hoping now that we’re starting to warm up, we’ve opened almost every single waitlist for LIG. Now that we start having some move ins, I’ve reflected down there what we have right now we do have a couple of movies pending, so that have already moved in this month. I’m not going to go into too much details as it’s already outlined for you. We still have four units down for methamphetamine, and a couple the bad move outs, evictions, I do have a typo I notice where it’s a sprinkler unit 307 That’s actually Fall River 307 That one will be becoming an employee unit. We do anticipate the manager moving in in May, the suites unit that was down for the H faculty will be ready, May 25. And the other two are C four. So the neighborhood is now rent ready. The other one is just going through repairs and you work on

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any questions on the occupancy?

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Question on using Unit Four you understand? Yes for meth contamination units at the moment. And one said I’m just trying to see where you are right here.

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Sorry.

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You’re listening

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to all the

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two to

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three pending and then

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two possible evictions.

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Matthew just hit the office

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one

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so the two pending and then two possible before

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that’s turning into an issue was

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so we’ll talk about that.

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Coming down.

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Sarah, we’ll go into that.

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The reason why I wanted to bring this out is this is now turning into a

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financial challenge for us. Because while we’re lucky and we have insurance, we have $100,000 deductible on each property. So if you have a significant math remediation, and if it’s one, it’s not significant, and you could do cleanings, mediation, cross

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cleaning, with testing, and everything could be about six to 8000. So that’s one thing when you get into the major

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mediation where you have to go the units and then you have to build them one unit going see

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I felt like he was

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so and you look at where we’ve been coming from financial and and trying to build you ever in a budget

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or tried to build a net for mediation, five years 10,000 Whatever the budgets gonna allow you to significant math contaminated properties that starts really pinching

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the financials for an individual property.

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Also, you know, it’s double whammy, it’s pay to get it backwards, habitable, you’re also losing revenue.

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And so it’s a double impact here

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we are.

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We were meeting about this because we know we have one case, in

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neighborhood.

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And as a side note, we’re the city’s got three days that are voluntary and ECP and Habitat for Humanity

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build these things can we replicate this process where we can do similar volunteer days within our structure to reduce those costs that we are now actively going to look at so the verbs for example Habitat for Humanity

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partner with nonprofits

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to build we’re now exploring how we can step into that same process wanting to mediate it or we can rebuild these units and work with our maintenance staff to do it so that we can bring down the cost especially when we have to look into the problems

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because

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that’s pretty significant financial

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analysts see for estimating to see for

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how long we had 15 school year and

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that’s the white part of that movie

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so so that’s a quite a while to

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it

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take quite a while to trash out that unit, multiple dumpsters, they left the unit completely over capital items

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is now that new carpet you wouldn’t even know. So what is the bed? Yes.

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So the next report is the unit vacancy report, we will provide these are quarterly basis so you can kind of just see how long units have been sitting and why they’ve been sitting. So and then briefly, we did open the waitlist, April 12. We did extinguish the old one after calling about 40 people nobody on the current list, which was a couple years old was not interested in renting anymore. But due to our processes, we have to go through the old waitlist before we can open it so that is now open. And

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the only unit we have currently down is b two which is the one that we have to rebuild from the

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Aspen meadow senior. We have a couple of vacancies, the longest one that’s been vacant for three or four teammates that one is now rented. We’ve contacted 15 people on the waitlist, but we’re finding people that want to move in the winter or they’re not ready to move

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forward we have two vacancies As of this report and I think we’re going to we’re looking at a couple different offices we are looking to sell VCP and so that would just go to them so we’re not looking to sell those units right away.

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Fall River we have their waitlist open we have just went through to down from it and then the one will be the employee unit come pipeline. So what Brian with those that are palatable

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to remember we did talk about potentially

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talking to BCP about the backlog and learning

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Humans are actually working with them to fill

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their minds. And so there is something

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there’s not that transition.

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Yeah, we might have to plant that preference, but

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I wouldn’t use it when people don’t want to use their position. Now they will ever move to a different time of year. Is that okay? I mean, don’t lose their spot in line. Yes. Yeah. So they go back down to the bottom or removed if they like, I believe two units were removed them from the list, because we’re not closing our list anymore. So we’ll keep them open, we changed some stuff that we’re going to leave our waitlist open until we get all of them filled. And then just keeping a wait list open for like the tax credit units, the HUD units, we used to take for the people and then close the list and then start calling. So we’re going to just leave them open and keep calling fill the units and then closing we have a solid wait list that we can work through. We should make an appointment I spent two or three years ago, I spend a lot of time trying to figure out exactly how the weightless process works because our chain. And this sounds like it’s more sensible, but I need to learn it all over again. So I don’t want to take this period of everyone’s time to do that. But these sometimes

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simple answer is a number of closes now. It’s always active and people are always coming in.

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To reopen.

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And so when

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you just call the person well, we’re now trying to call as soon as we get noticed to vacate or know what’s going to be begun we have our admin assistant calling the waitlist trying to get it fill up in three weeks before it’s even begun during the lead time before five weeks, so people have time to get that 30 day notice to the continent or even so we’re trying to be very proactive and do these rented way before it’s even ready.

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Lodging Hearthstone, those are our had to go to properties go but they’re weightless open on the 12th.

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And the the suites we don’t manage their waitlist. This is managed by the voucher team for us and about your team for MHP.

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She did tell me she has a couple more of these records since my report. So she has six now in process. I know I had to buy them 10 beds last week, so that we can get those fill. Spring Creek we do have four vacant units they’ve called 45 people on the waitlist to those are rented

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and then village place. We’re going to be holding those for recertification. We’re going to be watching this over the course of the next couple of months because the construction team would like us to have a couple of beacons for them to get into and look at and work on. But depending on budget, we may have to read some of those but we’re just gonna go month by month analysis service and working with Kendrick and make sure that we’re good for the property

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while we were

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seniors is that it’s easier to have the units vacant. And where do you get them so that when you have to move another group, you’re not necessarily having to move into a hotel.

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Property and so what we’re having to manage if you remember when we talked about budget filling spaces, the one that was probably the tightest property budget we had because it’s working even worse lacing the correct units at the right AMI level so that was not working like it should have

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killed during this we actually went over this last indicator and it’s gone over

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financial analysis to say how many can we keep in mind to be more stark that

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we think that he says that last financial around six or seven works dropped

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eight still positive and the Cash Flow Quadrant is too close for me to want to take that risk. And so I think I said the mall is seven I think we can do. And so as we’re heading into that,

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you know, January timeframe, we’re going to be managing has

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sort of tacked on to that with Aspen Meadows. We did. Especially for the first three rounds or so of of move outs everyone went to the hotel. And then once we had some units updated some people that based on the experience we knew that would not do very well at the hotel because of health issues or some some you know, plenty of reasons. It was really great to be able to just move them straight into the new unit so that would be one of them.

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option that was really beneficial. But also, it was places bigger, more people out at one time while we’re doing the unit upgrades. And we’re not in COVID, where the hotels are dying for business. So it might be harder to find enough ADA hotels spaces. And so there’s a lot of pieces.

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Logistically with the way that that’s was constructed, it’s like you have to take what’s going on vertical, because it’s

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just simply it’s going to be

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an interesting process, but we think we can manage it.

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We have a property of bass.

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Sounds like

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I’ll go briefly through this. I’m not going to hit on every single button. But we have scheduled our coffee and conversations at each of the properties for the whole year. So those each all the residents know when we’re coming when Harold’s coming. We’ve scheduled Susan Spaulding and her team at one of those series working to get some other training. So we’re updating their notifications with what’s happening at each coffee conversation so that there were well informed way in advance.

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We are no longer working on the screaming clutter events. They are all scheduled starting next week, where we are going to be bringing dumpsters at to each of the properties to help the residents after doing annual inspections. A lot of them had extra stuff in there, like I just don’t know how to get rid of it, I can’t get rid of it. I don’t have help to get rid of it. So we will be working as a team and with some volunteers to the city’s volunteer program. And the residents can get the item to their door, a volunteer or my staff will get it from the door to the dumpster. So this will help them downsize get rid of the stuff they’ve been wanting to get rid of. I had a gentleman come up to me today. He’s like, I have a king sized bed that I’ve been trying to get rid of for eight months. I have no health. But if I slept through the door, you’ll get it down. I said guarantee we’ll get it down. So. So the question. So you say everything goes into the dumpster? Is there anything that could be recycled, and he would call me we are working in Japan? Well, a lot of them have some restrictions. So but we Molly and I have talked and discussed about kind of starting to go. If we have good furniture residents want to donate it and starting a program that if we have a resident who moves in and doesn’t have a lot of furniture, we might we have martial fire victims, we’ve had different flood victims, people who’ve lost their homes suddenly, that we would have kind of like a storage unit kind of full of furniture, that they can come pick out a couple items to help get settled the first few times. So we are we have a few units. We had a resident who

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unfortunately passed, but the family has basically gifted everything to Le J to do with what we want. And so she had brand new pots and pans and everything. And so we’re gonna pull those aside and keep those in the storage.

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So not everything’s

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going to be

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missing resources.

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And so those are all scheduled starting next week for the end of middle of June. Then we have Cinco Demayo events planned out all the properties. So LIG staff will be cooking for the residents and just having a fun time. So we have those that whole first week of May.

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Let me know if you want to attend 11am and 3pm every day

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11 to three or 11 o’clock to one and then three to five, the nest at all views. And all the properties are different ones each day. But if you’re interested, let me know.

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When are the coffee and conversations

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monthly

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timeframe when you’re working.

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So I can provide you a list.

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So we have some more o’clock in the afternoon or a couple of them like village places always 4pm

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Ask the seniors always 4pm We have some as early as 10am.

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And like I said, Harold attends about once a quarter to disappear. The residents have update of what’s going on on the backside of LH a that’s more overhead. And then even David’s giving city updates for those who are inquiring.

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Yeah, I think those conversations and has changed dramatically since we started.

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And so it’s actually

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I think a lot of were really dominated by problems or things that were going on. I think they’re less problem oriented and more aspirational. And so I think that’s a good switch that you want to see we’re talking about.

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How are we using our residents to reorder the activities and

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it was not uncommon for some of them for us to go over every time. And in some cases, it’s literally at the end of it any more questions where you can ask me anything and

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presuming got so I think I think that’s just, we’re continuing to look forward a

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few quick property things, the sweet, sweet, the sweet parcel and watch, they had their new resource specialist start on the 27th. Valerie is already building great rapport with all the residents. She’s very active just out there on the sites talking with them. She wouldn’t be the manager to do some of the annual inspections at the suites. And she stayed with a resident for an hour who was having some anxiety over the inspection. And so she stayed with the resident afterwards and just like let me help you what’s your situation and just kind of worked her through that so that she was in a good spot afterwards.

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Aspen Meadows senior, the lodge of the Hearthstone, we partnered with Metropolitan State University for nutrition programs. So they have held their kickoff program. And this will be a year to two years study. Were not sitting well, the students are doing a study, but they’re bringing nutritional programs into the property along the pharmacy and produce teaching the residents how to make food last longer how to read labels correctly and how to make nutritious meals even $1. Store menu. So it’s going to be and they’ll bring other fun events into not just nutrition, but that is their main focus of the nutrition piece.

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We’ve hired all the llj open positions and offer was accepted for our HCV specialist this week. So that will fill the last vacant position. This is the first time in

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three years, we will

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we will have every position to

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make it easier.

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Yeah, I think you know, like we talked about, I think we’re still understaffed, but we’re financially

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just getting those base positions filled.

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Does us good evening. A few updates for the public safety stuff, our camera system, I just got word today that all of it should be in by the end of this week. For all the properties minus Chrislam, we have to walk up that property still with the current project manager,

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Bill build. So that’s good news.

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We’re also working having worked with Dan Gill, and ETs to make sure all of this work together. Because the idea the vision is for all these systems to be on one platform. So we’re there’s a group with led by Valerie dot that we’re all working together to make that happen.

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So that’s exciting. And then the residents really excited about that, too.

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That detectors it has been shipped and it’s being sent to the bow technologies, he will then go and test some of the connectivity piece, not putting it out into a unit or anything like that. But just testing it by having it set on, you know, his car outside, you know, wherever he is to make sure that it does work.

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I’m hoping that we get that ASAP that’s coming from New Zealand. So it has been shipped by FedEx. Normally we do what I do with that is once you verified snap peas

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have no one unit. And we have the industrial testing the restaurant to

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start taking it in and start corresponding rows to the industrial antennas so that you know

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how sensitive it is paid off in instances

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where they can be toggled. So there has been a lot of work.

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Right? And we didn’t get some information back to the community in New Zealand that’s using them currently. And they had asked a lot of questions she got back to me and lecture the staff

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that we have some work to do as far as with those like release what that looks like as far as like setting we were going to move forward with so

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that’ll be all coming too soon.

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And then also working with Tracy on city regarding repeaters in the Spring Creek and Fall River. I know he’s been out for some time and he is part time my goal is to have that done by the end of this month, the beginning of May

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connectivity pieces if any of you spend time there it’s your cell phone is second this even our police radios are recovering

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and as far as residents updates, we’re working with staff, you know daily resolving a few resident issues and

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and that seems to be going well I mean we have few folks that are constant but we’re working on

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trying to solve those problems as sad as we can, when there are some things we can’t solve.

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Any questions? I do have a question. And this is the I noticed in the classroom, the level of mental health variety out outbursts are happening just

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last

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couple years.

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So I’m curious around as far as mental health and what supports are there for residents? Sure. So

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well, I’ll talk in the end, like Jay said a little bit from my notes. And I may go back to this, but the case where we see more of our mental health illnesses on the public safety side first, but a lot of our calls for service in the tenants that we see the properties we see more mental health calls are at the suites.

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We do have, you know, a few others in and out. But, you know, the new woman that just started Valerie,

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she seems to be fantastic. I was down there last week and saw how well she’s working. And hopefully that puts some of the residents that he has as far as connectivity, but as far as outside of lhsaa. Core is our number one go to, and they are almost all staff will have four teams, and they pull them in so that happened. Absolutely. So why why

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they leave we have something come up where I think that it’s a it’s a value, and I call them and I just make that referral when they they understand. Yes, yeah, I primarily we came to mind was sweet Sherman, your long haul

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friends, petrol.

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So just like kind of response in my mind, that was

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so

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sorry.

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Maybe reserved.

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Seen it really hard.

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I mean, it’s happened, you know, it’s been an ongoing problem. For I remember, when my daughter

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just struggling suicide ideation. You know, we were seven, state, seven pies waiting for suicide. And the last few years is just spiraled out of control. We have, we’ve seen many more youth. And it’s

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very sad. So on the LPGA side, something that we’re working on the whole, every team, all the way around the board is assessing what what supportive services we have, who has served and where the gaps are falling, and who is falling in those cracks.

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Because we do have Valerie is amazing. She is dedicated to this means Hearthstone in launch. And we would like to see what what services are expected to come in from other providers. And then what can we go out and seek out course, sort of services comes with a funding requirements. So that’s, that’s another thing, but we at least are trying to do the analysis to see what areas of our residents are are falling into those cracks, and specifically the ones that are coming from being housed, and making sure they’re not getting into a unit without those supports, doubt will be successful. So

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we are looking at trying to see where those gaps

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are met, you know, you’re talking about budget or a budget. How much longer is this relationship going to have to go

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sky have to get a while. And the reason it is is because I’ve seen these operational needs. We don’t want ever, you know, really history

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focus on positions here, or when new people where the rubber meets the road, because that’s what I think is faster through this transition. And so I think in this budget process, you’re gonna see more of that in

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supportive services, and what we need to do. And that’s the importance of the growth because what I’ve said in

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two copies and conversations say, first priority for us is safety of the individuals and safety of the community. Second priority is livability within the community and that we have an actual community where we live with each other. And it takes a lot of work.

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To that point, when we do talk about these things, and you’ve heard us talk about the severity of

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some of the issues that folks have to deal with.

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We’re also looking at it in terms of it’s not just resort

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Just for

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our residents, resources for staff to move, because when we look at the issues that they have to deal with on a daily basis, we’re having conversations with risk and

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HR, play assistants and things like that, because

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we’re going to have to pull in as an organization and support our staff as aggressively as we’re supporting our residents, because what they deal with on a daily basis is

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more akin to what public safety deals with than any other targeted organization. And so that’s also going to be operationally focused for me.

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We just had a cooking with burnout training this morning, although

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it was really wonderful. It’s a provider, it’s going to be thing that city council can do to let staff know that we really support appreciate.

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I mean, I don’t know if it would make a difference. But

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that staff appreciation breakfast.

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Yeah, I’ve worked out some ideas on some ideas on some things I want to do. Okay, so what I’ll do is I’ll chat with you all about it. But I don’t want to

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give up my surprise.

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I think it’s appreciate I mean, you know, when you can see him, you know,

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and I said this today, we’re always making decisions that we’re going to make people ignoring people decisions. What I love to do now is here’s the end of how we make decisions, safety for individual safety for the residents. That ability, and we’re going through this is what’s at the core of everyone that works.

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And this is a cultural, this is probably the most significant cultural change that we have is the entire team’s focus on that. And we know, we make decisions that

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some people are going to watch.

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And if their hearts are in the right place. And that’s incredibly important. And we’re in the right place, right frame of mind.

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You know, and so we dropped him on everything we’re running through them to go getting ourselves in trouble for doing those two things. Culturally, that’s serious about seeing seen it while wherever that is, I mean, she can speak I

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think that’s the change.

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So when you see I’m

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just telling you to show appreciation, because they’re on the front lines. And the most critical piece, as I talked about solving housing issues in our community, and I would say you evolved as a group in the housing work you’re doing as a city, when we’re looking at the road ahead of us in terms of housing or rental, for sale those issues during the trenches, neighbor. And so sometimes just appreciation.

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And I probably not going to get my job on a daily basis either. So I need to say that to myself.

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So

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much, I have a question for this path.

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I am secretly asked,

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How much does the city spend on this quarterback and have had occasion to work for the LBJ pipeline? As I know, right now, we’re focused on CD, which is going around almost immediately. And

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Northover, which is Could it happen, either this year, you know, and

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I think I’ve asked this question before about not knowing the pipeline, or not remembering the pipeline. But the real problem is, I can’t search for the pipeline. We don’t know where it is right to be able to find out how much it’s going to cost and it could be me being stupid. It could be it could be you know, like the

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lightning portal is not supposed to be better than

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and so like, I just

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I don’t want

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but I sure would like to know, I think we gave me a schedule that we’re gonna resend that to everyone.

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The challenge would cost

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I know that I

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know that nobody cares about the details.

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Ballpark, and in the timeline, and and you know, I never throw away any emails. But I

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Can’t read all of them. So

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to be able to know what the keyboard is to search, I failed for the last three days. So we’re reworking our housing school sites. Now. I know that that’s there’s a lot of work on that, but we already come up

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with

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so Seeing no other comments, motion to adjourn.

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Okay, it’s been moved by Commissioner waters in recognition. We’re working

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on those in terms of that.

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One Housing Authority Board of Commissioners regular meeting session today, April 20.3, at seven

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so can we have the roll call start. Commissioner, Chair

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Commissioner Marshall Martin waters

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Herald to meet us Interim Executive Director.

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Molly O’Donnell, healthy director. All assistants certainly don’t seem to be forgotten our regional manager. Susie, they’ll look very sharp

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for sure.

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So we have

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agenda revisions and submissions of documents we are tonight. Do we have

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so we do have agenda revisions and submissions.

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Eric, we had a resolution in the LHC was supposed to.

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He’s gonna get them together forever at soon as we drafted the resolution to take that into consideration. And so we’re

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attaching

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1414.

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Revision is desert revision.

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Revision, and

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that was the extra email that you sent correct.

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So we need to review improvements in February 21.

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For me,

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I am reading the wrong thing. I’ve actually read it.

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So we can have the approval of the watch. 14 minutes of motion

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to approve the minutes, sir. So they’ve been approved by Commissioner O’Donnell and seconded by Commissioner McCoy’s discussion.

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All those in favor, say aye.

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Those opposed?

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No know minutes have been better as a user. They’ve improved.

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Their public invited to be heard. I see public here we have three minutes.

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So I am Georgiana Johnston, I think she got my thing. And

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I came with him because there’s

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some problems. No ways and like people about us. And we just wanted to see maybe how we can work it out. Because this lady we have I have I’ve known her. She’s been there since seven years since I have but

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she has

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oxygen, and then she has a walker and then she has a TV. Anyway, I’ve lived there going on seven years and myself. I had some problems with the lady upstairs is running his sweeper at two or three in the morning and she’s writing furniture and I listened to her for about a week or so. And then I went up real nice. And she quit. So she didn’t want to. So anyway this this other lady

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when I went up and talk to her, and she kind of struggled a little bit with that and then he went up by itself we can talk about itself. And I went in and I heard a noise in his place. It sounds like a train

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Nobody can endure it, you know, live in there and, and so anyway, I just feel like somewhere somehow, I know there’s several of them that have that have this. And I just feel like somewhere somehow we ought to be able to work out this with the noise and stuff. I did bring a letter that I did write her real nice when I went and visited, but

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it’s, I’ll give you the heroes to because you know, it’s not the first ones that have problems. It’s just,

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we want to work it out. And she did kind of butt elbows instead up and tell, you know, kind of what went on in a nice way, because she kind of got upset about different things. She has oil and stuff. But I just want to know, I just want to know that nobody can put up with that. I mean, he’s, he’s struggling, I couldn’t either. And then down below, the lady below me. She had problems with my grandkids to come and visit. And she complained a little bit at one time and kind of went, we worked that out with the best of friends and I am good friends with Pam too. But I’m just I just want to say in a nice way that nobody could continue in during the summit smart. I can say it’s not fair. It’s much nobody wants to have are going somewhere. There’s got to be a solution to not let some way. Work out the noise. Okay. Okay.

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Thank you. Welcome. Thank you for letting me talk. Thank you for this opportunity. Thank you for allowing me to speak. My name is Kevin Keene. I live at Spring Creek apartments 216. That’s under la che. We’re part of mama. And I’ve been there eight and a half months for the last three and a half months, new real estate.

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And she just happens to have a lot of chronic long term medical problems. And part of that includes having to have an oxygen machine on 24 hours a day, seven days, it doesn’t matter. Zakia yesterday, she said was revised.

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So this machine

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is part of a noise, a lot of migrations that go down into my ceiling, my floors are the walls. And Deadwood is not usable. And that sort of if you’re cooking out of there, that’s fine. And I’ve been on the couch

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so it’s afforded me a little sleep and have to take naps during the day and I do user prompts. And we use Trello I was in the normal couch. And I

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can hardly stay close. It’s not really just an inconvenience, but it’s actually a health problem. In the noodles, a lot a lot a lot of studies over the last several years around when you’re sleep deprived, particularly to sleep in a deep sleep, a number of things happen. The key things are

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a failure of

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it really helps out by complex regenerating. At night. It’s also the sleep that we have REM sleep REM rapid eye movement and in that sleep. That’s where we dream and do a number of things to once again renewal regenerate the mind body. And when that is lacking or deprived.

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We have a lot of harmful effects to mental, emotional and physical abuse.

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In our lease, it is stated that anything called the point of time this point in time was supposed to be from 10pm to 7am.

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It was stated there but hard to enforce, I guess. So it’s not always quiet during that time, but I did try to guarantee that people get some sleep. And in terms of legalese. We have a term in the lease that was shared with us by Lisa a week ago. So it’s called Quiet enjoyment. This is sort of a legal way to refer to just an inherent right that people have to some drive to join. So it is in our lease and there are not a lot of quiet

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to enjoy quiet and sleep and silence. I’d like everyone to remember everything that comes from the machine is not heard. There’s new role vibrations and frequencies that come out that are not heard that permeate walls and floors and

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And airspace is I’m directly under there. So I kind of get the brunt of that. But there’s other partners that are affected also. So your three minutes are up, I think that we have the overall thing that you are addressing us with. Okay. Just a few sentences says.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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So I’m

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the community manager, and then we do have a fair housing situation here, so we can’t discuss. Exactly.

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Okay, thank you, we are now

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when he was led to a cure, I live in 17. Chicago Street by wall won’t waste, you know, half your time today, I just want to let you all know it’s animal cracker day, it is also my girlfriend’s birthday. So I don’t know if any of you know my girlfriend, but it is also national cola day. So I will let you all get to your meeting and they

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have a great day

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to listen to?

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Is it really

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well, then

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you’ll have to change your name and call it

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your

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spreads of happiness somewhere.

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So we’re over the business of talking about the resolutions. When I have to

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read them. I have two that are 20 2314. And you say that

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it’s quite, it’s a little bit

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further 15 students, there’s a 2014 and

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a 14 and a 15, you have 214.

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Red Line

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14 At the end of the packet or the 14.

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Okay, okay.

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So who wants to do the resolution, so I’ll give a descriptor for these again.

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So in advance of the anticipated closing of the Zinnia project, so closing meeting on the tax credits, and all the financial dealings, that’s anticipated to happen by May 12. And so this is your last opportunity to see this before that happens. So we have to do a couple of items of business for that. Resolution 20 2314 is has a couple of things on it. The most simple is this board has already accepted our grant funds from the city. And so you’ll be loaning the those funds into the partnership so that it didn’t the waterfall in the deal structure. So that’s one item

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that would happen. And then the other one is the LH DC has already voted to provide $285,000 in funds to this project. They originally voted back on March 22, to loan it straight into the partnership. But what we would like to do instead at special counsels advice is to have them grant the funds to La chain and lmha loans into the partnership because they want to dissolve. So therefore we don’t have to do another subsequent step later to move that all back over to La chain. So that eventually LH A would be the if the loan is paid back in the future, either at sale of the property or more recent vacation, that that will come to LA J. At that time, you also have the opportunities to leave the money in if it’s staying affordable or meets certain goals that you have.

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So the reason that there’s an amendment is that we were trying to get el hdc to modify their votes and enter a resolution here last week in advance of this meeting, to change that recommendation from a direct loan to the partnership going through the FHA first, but they weren’t able to get a quorum because one person is out of country and doesn’t have access. So we revised the resolution so that it basically says subject to the LA hdc.

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Agreeing to do the grant option, then you will accept the grant and then load it into a partnership. So it just adds that qualifier there

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pretty straightforward.

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So

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Motion to approve the resolution 2314.

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Commissioner waters made the motion to approve pretty quick report. Seconded by Commissioner who?

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discussion?

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Seeing them

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all those in favor?

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Post

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That passes unanimously, thank you.

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So

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if you like the description, I can give a description.

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So we just do

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this is it for one, this is for the homework projects. Two big two big finance deals on this tonight.

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So this is where it’s your last meeting, you accepted ARPA funds as well as the amount of $800,000 to purchase the land at 1764 1780 over from the LGC. So this is to the resolution to sign the purchase and sale agreement and LGC will be considering a similar motion once they have performed.

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So this will start that purchase process.

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Resolution 20.32. Second

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by Commissioner

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Rodriguez.

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Is there any discussion?

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Seeing none, let’s vote all those in favor say aye.

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Thank you.

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So you’re interrupted.

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So two things in this

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two, development updates, Molly’s talk about the closing or Zinnia. Which construction

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is really good.

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Obviously, we’ve talked a little bit about Christmas that continues to move forward for having

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to the issues with so it’s impacting other things.

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That’s all done. So now we just need to get gas

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move so that it’s not stopping moving, but it’s not allowing not allowing it.

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In terms of the holder property, we’re continuing to

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move through

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site design on this one. And then we had Shannon, here we will

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go talked about the issues, concept of early childhood and the financial constraints. Since the last meeting, we’ve been made aware of

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a couple of opportunities for grant funds to partner on that early childhood piece. So we’re rebuilding it back into the site plan.

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And looking at how we can leverage some additional funds. There’s a couple of sources that we’re evaluating.

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Hopefully, we’ll have some more information in the near future. So as you all said before, housing, she can’t get it

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to work.

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So we’re still moving a little bit back and forth on that piece. And hopefully,

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we got some really good indication that I think we’d be really competitive in some of these grants. I think now it’s really just figuring out which one to work with.

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Donations, donations. So

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they’re really working all the avenues in terms of where we can try and make this happen to replace staying focused on it. But obviously, we need to get the housing down.

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And so that’s really the development updates that we have today. In terms of

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before we get into some of the more specific information.

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For the rest of the staff. One of the things that we’ve been working on is trying to solve the snow issue. So last year.

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We wanted to snow, we wanted to snow, but we want to manage the cost of snow removal. So last year, last year, we budgeted $178,000

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budget, actual expenses. So we’re just over $200,000 that we have to deal with. So obviously Mother Nature really rules, how we approach it.

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So I think we talked to you all about partnering with the city and fleet services to really see how we can get some equipment and so we can bring that in house. Part of the other challenge that we’re having the contracting personnel level if they’re facing this

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had labor issues and workers. And so well, they’ve done a good job. You know, we still struggle with getting Snowbird, on time. Because their staffing issues, we had a conversation this week.

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And it looks like we’re going to be able to do a few things. One is, we’re going to acquire a truck that’s still in really good shape that the city was going to put on auction.

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And I’m trying to

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get a blade,

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a lift gate, and a saber on that.

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And it looks like all the cost in year one is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000,

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we will then have to start

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a replacement account for that which the actual cost of that truck needs probably going to be somewhere it’s not as hard. So we’re going to want to set a five year replacement, that will be good, it’s age. So year one we’re thinking would be total costs, including maintenance and fuel about 31,000. And then over the next four years, that’s going to be 22,001 is looking at another truck, that’s probably going to work.

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And that is not going to have the sander, but it’ll have utility box, which will double and for maintenance staff and living from facility to facility

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are asking us that’s going to be 4000 in year one,

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and then another 22,000 on an annual basis. So what that means for us, and we’re looking at where we are in the snow budget today.

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We spent about $65,000, today, I would have had to push that out pretty, pretty aggressively and say, Well, it’s been 90,000, or we have we have 68,000. So far this year for two trucks that we did.

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That leaves us a gap to fill to get into trucks and files and websites, emails and knowledge.

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We’re also looking at a trailer and

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a

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lotus style

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cover eating area and your brush that looks like that’s a little more expensive based on age. But we think that’s going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000. So that adds another 50,000 for this year, and then 2001 on an ongoing basis. So

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theoretically, I think worst case scenario would have to bridge 90,000, which it may actually work out but on the second truck, because it may not make it to the next year, which we can tie into students budgets and break that down.

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The punch line to all of this is we think we will a good if we’re very competent. And we’ll get past that service and all the product properties and get a higher quality. But when you move into the next year, the ongoing cost with the replacement built in is going to be about $76,000. So if you look at it in terms of what’s budgeted 100 and 178,000.

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That’s going to

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generate about $100,000 in savings on an annual basis for the housing authority.

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That will then augment the Housing Authority, general five minute also relieves some pressures on each of the individual property. So we think we’re gonna get a higher level of service. And it’s going to be a lot less expensive. And so those are things that I can work in with the existing budget, but I just thought that was small in terms of this is the trajectory that

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we’re trying to work on. We may have to come back, depending on some timing issues on bridging that funding gap. And we may have to do a short term loan between the Housing Authority and the city to get us into the next module here.

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In this case, I am not touching any aspects of this gem cache or handling that. So gems the city’s negotiation negotiating

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and I’m over here, it’s not inherited any differently.

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Same processes, tremendous cost savings and definitely an operational improvement.

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I am starting to talk to the property

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Use about this, as we’re going around, doesn’t really change the fact that can’t shuffle between cars because it’s still a liability issue.

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We’re really happy with this approach, because

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it’s highly possible we can exceed the 200,000 this year and probably be the neighborhood of 2000. If you have a few more snows in the fall turns out last year, so we need to really financially make

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any questions on that.

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On the topic of selling buildings, you know, we have the Center for people with disabilities there in that facility, we actually are now engaging with terminals.

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So village place across from COP house, there’s a small, rectangular building to the

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north of that they have been in that building for a long time. And they’re definitely interested in purchasing them. We’re in conversations with them. Now, one of the things that we’re working out is

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actually going into a service contract, for a value that will be negotiated the price of the domain, but we’re when we’re dealing with issues related to individuals with disabilities.

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We provide support services to those individuals and also work with training programs. So it’s really bringing a value add to what we’re doing. So hopefully, in the very near future, we’ll have some

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we talked about vouchers

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in one of our goals is to increase the number of vouchers that we have, as you all know, it’s not necessarily the number of vouchers increase, it’s actually the value of dollars that you get coming in. So you can ask for about 2

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million I made a presentation about affordable housing to a community group. And one of the questions

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was, how are we going to get more sectioning dollars in Housing Choice Voucher?

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Well, that hasn’t given to us, obviously, when we came in, and we talked about the work we needed to do. And we evaluated how many doctors we had

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active in the community in us using as much money as you possibly can.

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That’s important, because that tells God because you have more of it in circulation.

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We’ve been notified that it’s looking like we’re going to, we’re pretty confident that we’re going to get an increase in the dollar out there. We’re headed. I’ve heard from HUD for housing choice vouchers to maybe in the neighborhood of 7.5 cents.

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Was there a bill and so

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you know, it’s never done until it’s done, when you’re getting a dollars, but you’re gonna get inject more

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funds into our Housing Choice Voucher Program. It’s key for a few reasons. One, that actually gives us the ability to increase our project based vouchers. So as you get more money that lets us have potentially more project based vouchers, so don’t try to

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over project or Zinnia to meet bring those project based vouchers into it to make financial services work over time.

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Obviously, we can assist more people as we’re doing this, but I think the big thing, really talked about this as a separate goal, and we want to get more dollars in. We talked about we need to get better at spending money and making sure we’re writing that mind where you’re as close as you can into your tool. Or you don’t overspend when you’re not understanding. And I think you’re you know, in the past last year or two

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other housing authorities did get more money into these accounts. And we did. So the fact that I think we’re now starting to enter into that conversation of getting more funds is really a testament to the work that all of these folks are doing and managing our housing, tracing and managing that housing choice voucher, we’re expending a lot of our work, no need to be so

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hopefully next time. Our numbers seven and a half percent increase in funding.

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I am well that is depends on the year, but I’m waiting for Kendra has been in audits on any of our auditors in town. So she went home for the day and I’m asking her for the exact number.

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So why don’t you know

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it’s good news and

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some

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landlords are actually accepting such

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Are there any

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more

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actually there, there are.

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We’re trying to assess. On the other side we kind of talked about this before is,

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think if anything we’re seeing at times, individuals can come to us. And so we’re trying to get a sense of not only how many people that we have housed in our housing choice voucher program, but how many people weren’t seen from other entities in Boulder County collaborative, because before we all took it over, there was a agreement that said, if people are housing groups in your community would free up people over

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the skills and whatnot, they kept

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on so what we’re trying to understand the resident kept up the agencies and so forth, boarding across, and which will be the issues I talked about that

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they have a lot of people from these other agencies that are in our community, and they’re recording.

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And so what we’re trying to do is to get a sense of what that really looks like to understand, do we need to have a different conversation?

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It may or may not, it may be a loss. We could be ahead or behind, but we think we need to figure out

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because that really impacts our community. So a lot of work goes into traps.

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They don’t

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assume they’ve got they’ve got people in need or whatever it is.

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They’re moving that voucher holder to another.

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No, so we have so in Longmont, we have people with housing choice vouchers that have their vouchers come from Isla J or older housing partners or Boulder County Housing Authority. They’re all we’re all here. But we’re all operating our vouchers countywide. And so the what the analysis we’re doing is finding out the data that we can about how many people how much are we sharing across the free?

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Because the reason that it was put in that that agreement originally was to reduce the amount of administrative paperwork from criss crossing all over. And it does, it allows people to have more choice of where they live. But it’s been a long time since we looked at what the numbers actually look like. So that’s the

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voucher doesn’t isn’t important with a resume.

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That agencies hangs on to that.

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Then Are they awarding that voucher to another resident?

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Yes, what happened? So if it’s toward it, so for example, right now, somebody goes from the Fort Collins housing authority, or the Laughlin Housing Authority, and it comes in distinction, we have the choice of reporting over

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minimal administrative fees.

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But when you look at the dollar amounts, when we talked about

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project based vouchers, it doesn’t, because it’s based on your total power system. And so that’s what we’re trying to understand what’s the nuances and what’s the impact us.

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And when I mentioned it to you on the commodity, you will also see the housing numbers and the cost of rental housing. And some of the other things. Obviously, one more note is constantly cabling.

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And, and from seeing people who are getting offers to our system that can point of view.

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I want to figure out why that? What does that really mean? So we don’t know what the answer is. We just need to look at it and understand what’s already losing what can we gain? And to figure it out, does there need to be a conversation does not need to be a conversation, that we think it’s something we have to do to change. We’re at a different time.

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Understand that got up to the point where it comes into this area.

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And then I lost track of what happens. So if you have a voucher, and typically the way it works in the housing authority world is if you move out of Housing Authority a to housing authority B, Housing Authority b has an opportunity of saying that keep your voucher from every avenue or you know, we want to call it your voucher in our system

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administration and do the inspections and recertifications and do not and I understood that part.

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While

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Are we not sure what we’re doing in what are we not sure what the optimum for us is? Because I don’t think we’ve ever all we know, because this is pretty any of us

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is that there was an agreement that said, if you’re moving from city to city within Boulder County,

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you’re not going to court.

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But the examples you gave were from Larimer County. Yeah, that’s the example because that’s how it would work. Absent this agreement? What we don’t know is is this agreement,

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serving the best interest of the law about housing.

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Because there are implications on the surface reduces administration, we don’t have all this work to do. I think that has to be weighted against the value of putting it in and what that means in terms of project based vouchers and real dollars.

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We don’t know the answer, but we know we

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can just present. So Marsha has, has a voucher with Waller County.

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She moves she wants to go to

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the port would be to move the voucher to our housing endorse, and the dollars that she’s killed some of the same number of dollars.

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The only question is, who owns the voucher?

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If we own the voucher, it’s my understanding if we, the more vouchers we have that are utilized, the more we’re eligible for exceptional years, that’s the reason we might want for you. Although there is paperwork,

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whatever happens, right? So the question is, are the margins the margins are more enough to take on? So

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let’s just not forget, but the agencies will manage whatever they can be.

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So we have our voucher holders, mha voucher holders who live in Lafayette, how many we have outside Walmart versus in how many does boulder have outside of Boulder versus in?

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That’s

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what started this for me is my gut instinct says and other people rental rates.

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It’s hard to imagine

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that we have a lot of folks moving from here out. I think the reality is probably this way, which then we’re trying to figure out what’s the ROI in terms of for us.

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And there’s also some questions, economic impact,

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our dollars

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the revenue and expenditure.

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But that also goes the other way, because the HP and their founder holders are renting and

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there’s a lot

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we don’t know. But

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any business case, I think you have to evaluate those things and really understand

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what does the world look like for us instead of just keep throwing out row we need to start getting into these things and figure out what is the best

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former incarnation. He was so immensely distressed.

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That I don’t know how long this is

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centered around the housing solutions. So

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we want to make

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sure so can you be so we are still holding about 93% occupied we’re hoping now that we’re starting to warm up. We’ve opened almost every single weightless for LIG. Now that we start having some movements, I’ve reflected down there what we have right now we do have a couple of movements pending, so that have already moved in this month. I’m not going to go into too much details as it’s already outlined for you. We still have four units down for methamphetamine and a couple the bad move outs evictions, I do have a typo I notice where it says Springfree unit 307 That’s actually Florida 307 That one will be becoming an employee unit. We do suspect the manager moving in in May. The suites unit that was down for the H faculty will be ready may 25. And the other two are see for it as the neighborhood is now rent ready and the other one is just going through repairs and you work on

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any questions on the

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question? You said you had for years? Yes, for best accommodate units at the moment. No one said I was just trying to see what you had. There right.

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Oh, sorry.

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You’re listening

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to all the

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problems

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to

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three, pending and then

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two possible evictions.

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Matthew, just hit the office

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what is it?

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So the two pending and then two possible for

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that’s tying into an issue was

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so talking about that

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coming down, we got Sarah, we’ll go into that that reason why what at least bring us out is this is now turning into

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financial challenge for us because well, we’re lucky and we have insurance we have $100,000 deductible on each property. So if you have a significant math remediation, and if it’s one that’s not significant, and you can do cleanings, remediation costs are what

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cleaning with testing, and everything could be about six to 8000. So that’s one thing, when you get into the major

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mediation where you’d have to go the units, and then you have to rebuild them. One unit, we’ll see.

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I felt like he was

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so and you look at where we’ve been coming from financially and trying to build you remember the budget, we said, we’re gonna start trying to build that for mediation, five years 10,000 Whatever the budgets gonna allow you to significant math contaminated properties that starts really pinching

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the financials for the individual property.

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And also, you know, it’s double whammy, it’s, you have to pay to get it back for a tablet, you’re also losing revenue.

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And so it’s a double impact here

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we are.

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We were meeting about this because we know we have one case in the

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neighborhood.

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And as a side note, we’re the city’s got three days that were volunteering at ECP and Habitat for Humanity

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building these things can we replicate this process where we can do similar volunteer base within our structure to reduce costs and that we are now actively going to look at some suburbs for example Habitat for Humanity

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partner with nonprofits to help build we’re now exploring how we can step into that same process wanting to mediated or we can rebuild these units and work with our maintenance staff to do it so that we can bring down the cost especially when we have to look into the problems

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because

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that’s pretty significant financial

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see for asking me to see for bamboo

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how will we had fish tanks full of urine

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that’s the white part of that

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so so it’s a quite a while to

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take quite a while to trash out that unit, multiple dumpsters, they left the unit completely over capital items.

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is now that new carpet you wouldn’t even know

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what it is. Yes.

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Yes, no.

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So the next report is the unit vacancy report. We will provide these are quarterly basis so you can kind of just see how long units have been sitting and why they’ve been sitting. So and then briefly, we did open the waitlist, April 12. We did extinguish the old one after calling about 40 people nobody on the current list, which was a couple years old was not interested in renting anymore. But due to our processes, we have to go through the old waitlist before we could open it so that is now open. And

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the only unit we have currently down is b two which is the one that we have to rebuild from.

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Aspen Beto senior, we have a couple of vacancies

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The longest one that’s been vacant for three or 14 days that one is now rented. We’ve contacted 15 people on the waitlist, but we’re finding people that want to move in the winter or they’re not ready to move.

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Forward, we have two vacancies As of this report, and I think we’re going to, we’re looking at a couple different offices, we are looking to sell VCP. And so that would just go to them. So we’re not looking to sell those units right away.

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Fall River, we have their waitlist open, we have just went put it down for that. And then the one will be the employee unit come pipeline. So

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those that are palatable

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to remember we did talk about potentially

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talking to VCP, about the backlog we want to do is actually working with them to fill

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with their partners. So there is something

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there’s not that transition.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, we might have to plan for

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reference, but

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I wouldn’t looking to do some people don’t want to use their position. Now, who ever knew that a different time of year is out? Okay. I mean, don’t use those online. Yes, use it. Yeah. So they go back down to the bottom for renewal. If they go live, I believe two units were removed them from the list, because we’re not closing our list anymore. So we’ll keep them open, we change some stuff that we’re gonna leave our waitlist open until we get all of them filled. And then just keeping a waitlist open for like the tax credit units, the HUD units, we used to take for the people and then close the list and then start calling. So we’re going to just leave them open and keep calling fill the units and then closing out a solid waitlist that we can work through. We should make an appointment I spent about two or three years ago, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out exactly how the waitlist process works because our team, and this sounds like it’s more sensible, but I need to learn it all over again. So I don’t want to take this period of everyone’s time to do that. But at the same time, the simple answer is it never closes. Now. It’s always active and people are always coming as

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long as possible.

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So when a foreigner comes out, we just call it different. Well, we’re now trying to call as soon as we get noticed to vacate or no it’s going to be begun we have our admin assistant calling the waitlist trying to get it fill up to three weeks before it’s even begun. Give me a lead time of four or five weeks so people have time to give that 30 day notice to the current landlord even so we’re trying to be very proactive and do these rented waiting before it’s even ready.

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Watching Hearthstone those are our 202 properties over there weightless open on as well.

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And the the suite, we don’t manage their waitlist. This is managed by the voucher team for us and about your team for MHP.

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She did tell me she has a couple more of these records since my report. So she has six now in process. I know I had to buy them 10 beds last week, so that we can get those fill. Spring Creek we do have four vacant units they’ve called 45 people on the waitlist, two of those are rented

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and the village place. We’re going to be holding those for recertification. We’re going to be watching this over the course of the next couple of months because the construction team would like us to have a couple of beacons for them to get into and look at and work on. But depending on budget, we may have to read some of those but we’re just going to go month by month analysis to this and working with tenders and make sure that we’re good for the property for that one. But while we’ve learned from asking seniors is that it’s easier to have the units vacant and redo them so that when you have to move another group, you’re not necessarily having to move into a hotel

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within your geography and so what we’re having to manage if you remember when we talked about budget, those places the one that was probably the tightest property budget we had because it’s working for workspaces units at the right AMI level so that was not working like it should have

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killed during this. We actually went over this last indicator and it’s gone over

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financial analysis to say how many can we keep up in when do we start that

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we’ve seen think

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that last financial around six or seven works dropped to over

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eight

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still positive in a cash flow standpoint, but it’s too close for me to want to take that risk. And so I think I said the mall is seven, I think we can do it. And so as we’re heading into that

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January timeframe, we’re going to be managing that as

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well on to that with Aspen meadows, we did, especially for the first three rounds or so of move outs, everyone went to the hotel. And then once we had some units updated, some people that, based on the experience, we knew that would not do very well at the hotel because of health issues, or some, some, you know, plenty of reasons, it was really great to be able to just move them straight into the new unit. So that would be one option that was really beneficial. But also, it lives places bigger, more people out at one time while we’re doing the unit upgrades. And we’re not in COVID, where the hotels are dying for business. So it might be harder to find enough ADA hotels, spaces. And so there’s a lot of new pieces.

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Logistically with the way that’s was constructed, it’s like you have to take martial skills vertical, because

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it just simply it’s going to be

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an interesting process, we think we can manage six to seven.

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Zero

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we have a property of a

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sounds like everything’s a profit.

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I’ll go briefly through this. I’m not going to hit on every single button. But we have scheduled our coffee and conversations at each of the properties for the whole year. So those each all the residents know when we’re coming when Harold’s coming. We’ve scheduled Susan Spalding and her team at one of those series working to get some other training. So we’re updating their notifications with what’s happening in each coffee conversation so that there were well informed way in advance.

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We are no longer working on the screaming clutter events. They are all scheduled starting next week where we are going to be bringing dumpsters at to each of the properties to help the residents after doing annual inspections. A lot of them had extra stuff in there, like I just don’t know how to get rid of it, I can’t get rid of it. I don’t have help to get rid of it. So we will be working as a team and with some volunteers to the cities volunteer program. And the residents can get the item to their door, a volunteer or my staff will get it from the door to the dumpster. So this will help them downsize get rid of the stuff they’ve been wanting to get rid of. I had a gentleman come up to me today. He’s like, I have a king sized bed that I’ve been trying to get rid of for eight months. I have no health. But if I slipped through the door, you’ll get it down. I said guaranteed we’ll get it down. So so the question. So you say everything goes into the dumpster? Is there anything that can be recycled into human called Habitat, artwork? Well, a lot of them have some restrictions. So but we only and I’ve talked and discussed about kind of starting to go if we have good furniture and residents want to donate it and starting a program that if we have a resident who moves in and doesn’t have a lot of furniture we might we have martial fire victims we’ve had a different flood victims people who’ve lost their homes suddenly that we would have kind of like a storage unit kind of full of furniture that they can come pick out a couple items to help get settled the first few times. So we are we have a few units. We had a resident who

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unfortunately passed but the family has basically gifted everything to Le J to do with what we want. And so she had brand new pots and pans and everything and so we’re gonna pull those aside and keep those in the storage

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so that everything’s

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precise.

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And so those are all scheduled starting next week for the end of middle of June. Then we have Cinco Demayo events planned out all the properties so LIG staff will be cooking for the residents and just having a fun time. So we have those that whole first week of May.

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Let me know if you want to attend 11am and 3pm every day

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11 to three or 11 o’clock to one and then three to five the next and all the use and all the properties in different ones each day but if you’re interested let me know

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what are the coffee and conversations

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but I timeframe when you’re working

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so I can provide you a list

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so we have some more o’clock in the afternoon or a couple of them like village places always 4pm

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Aspen seniors always 4pm We have some as early as 10am

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and like I said Harold attends about once a quarter to disappear the residents and update of what’s going on on the backside of LH a that’s more overhead

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And then even today is giving city updates for those who are inquiring.

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Yeah, I think the tenor of those conversations and has changed dramatically since we started.

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And so it’s actually

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I think a lot of really dominated by problems or things that are going on. I think they’re less problem oriented and more aspirational. And so I think that’s a good switch that you want to see, we’re talking about, how are we using our residents to reorder the activities, and

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it was not uncommon for some of them for us to go over time, every time. And in some cases, it’s literally at the end of it. Any more questions, you can ask me anything.

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So I think I think that’s just, we’re continuing to look forward and a

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few quick property things, the sweet, sweet, the sweet parcel and watch, they had their new resource specialist start on the 27th. Valerie is already building great rapport with all the residents, she’s very active, she’s out there on the sites talking with them. She wouldn’t be the manager to do some of the annual inspections at the suites. And she stayed with a resident for an hour who was having some anxiety over the inspection. And so she stayed with the resident afterwards, and just like, let me help you, what’s your situation and just kind of worked her through that so that she was in a good spot afterwards.

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Aspen Meadows senior, the lodge of the Heartstone, we’ve partnered with Metropolitan State University for nutrition programs. So they have held their kickoff program. And this will be a year to two year study. Where not sit well, the students are doing a study, but they’re bringing nutritional programs into the property along with parks and produce, teaching the residents how to make them last longer, how to read labels correctly and how to make nutritious meals even $1. Store menu. So it’s going to be no bring other fun events into it not just nutrition, but that is their main focus is the nutrition piece.

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We’ve hired all the llj open positions and offer was accepted for our ACD specialists this week. So that will fill the last vacant position. This is the first time in

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three years

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we will have every position to

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make it easier.

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Yeah, I think you know, like we talked about, I think we’re still understaffed, but we’re going to financially

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just getting the face positions killed.

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Sir,

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good evening. A few updates with the public safety stuff, our camera system, I just got word today that all the pitch should be in by the end of this week. For all the properties minus Chrislam. We have to walk up that property still with the current project manager,

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Bill. So that’s good news. We’re also working having worked with Dan Hill, and ETs to make sure all of this work together. Because the idea the vision is for all these systems to be on one platform. So we’re there’s a group with led by Valerie dot that we’re all working together to make that happen.

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So that’s exciting. I know the residents are really excited about that to

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not detectors that has been shipped and it’s being sent to the bow technologies, he will then go and test some of the connectivity piece, not putting it out into a unit or anything like that, but just testing it by having it set on

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his car outside, you know, wherever he is to make sure that it does work.

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I’m hoping that we get that ASAP that’s coming from New Zealand. So it’s being shipped by FedEx more than we do. What I do with that is once you verified snap peas

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have an LM unit. And we have the industrial test and we

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start taking it in and sort of corresponding roles to the industrial hygienists so that you know

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how sensitive it is

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where we can be horrible because the

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server’s go wrong.

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Right. And we didn’t get some information back to the community in New Zealand that’s using them currently. And they had asked a lot of questions she got back to me and make sure that staff

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we have some work to do as far as what that looks like least what that looks like as far as what setting we were going to move forward with. So

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that’ll be all

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Coming to you soon.

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And then also working with Tracy on city regarding repeaters in Spring Creek and Fall River. I know he’s been out for some time, and he is part time my goal is to have that done by the end of this month, the beginning of May.

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Obviously, for connectivity pieces, if any of you spend time there, it’s your cell phone is second this, even our police radios

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and as far as residence updates, we’re working with staff, you know, daily, resolving a few resident issues and

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and that that seems to be going well, I mean, we have a few folks that are our constant, but we’re working on trying to solve those problems as as they as we can. And there’s some things we can’t solve.

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And that’s

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me.

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Question. And this is, I mean, I’ve noticed in the classroom, you know, the level of mental health anxiety outburst are happening in just the

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last

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couple years.

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So I’m curious around as far as the mental health and what supports are there for residents? Sure. So well, I’ll talk about the MHA said a little bit for my note, and I may come back to Lisa. But then casement you know, where we see more of our mental health illnesses on the public safety side first, but a lot of our calls for service in the tenants that we see are the properties, we see more mental health calls, or at the suites.

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We do have, you know, a few others in and out. But

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the new woman that just started Valerie,

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she seems to be fantastic. I was down there last week and saw how well she was working. And hopefully that puts some of the residents at ease as far as connectivity. But as far as outside of LA ha. Core is our number one go to, and they are almost all staff will have four teams. Do you hold them in? So that happened? Absolutely. So why why

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they leave, we have something come up where I think that it’s a it’s a value, and I call them and I just make that referral when they

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Yes, yeah, I primarily we came to mind was

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shared with your mom

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yesterday with

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friends.

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So just some kind of response in my mind that was

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so

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sorry.

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Did

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you seems really hard to

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I mean, it’s happened, you know, it’s been an ongoing problem. For I remember when my daughter

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just fell into suicide ideation. You know, we were seven state seven highest rate for suicide. And the last few years is just spiraled out of control. We have, we’ve seen many more youth. And it’s

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very sad. So on the LPGA side, something that we’re working on the whole, every team, all the way around the board is assessing what what supportive services we have, who is served and where the gaps are falling, and who is falling in those cracks.

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Because we do have Valerie is amazing. She is dedicated to this means Hearthstone and lodge. And we would like to see what what services are expected to come in from other providers. And then what can we go out and seek out of course, supportive services comes with a funding requirement. So that’s that’s another thing, but we at least are trying to do the analysis to see what areas of our residents are are falling in those cracks, and specifically the ones that are coming from being housed and making sure that we’re not getting into a unit without those supports to help and be successful. So

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we are looking at trying to see what to fill those gaps.

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You’re talking about budget or picking a budget. How much longer is this relationship going to have to go?

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It’s gonna have to go a while. And the reason it is is because we’re seeing these operational needs. We don’t want to ever

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be really history and focus on positions here are the new people where the rubber meets the road because that’s what I think is faster this time.

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mission. And so I think in this budget process, you’re gonna see more of that in

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supportive services. And what we need to do. And that’s important to the growth, because what I’ve said is to copy the conversation, say, first priority for us the safety of the individuals and safety of the community. Second priority, so the ability within the community, and that may have an actual community where we live with each other. And it takes a lot of work.

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To that point, when we do talk about these things, and you’ve heard us talking about the severity of

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some of the issues that folks have to deal with,

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we’re also looking at it in terms of, it’s not just resources for

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our residents, it’s resources for staff, too, because when we look at the issues that they have to deal with on a daily basis, we’re having conversations with risk and

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HR, employee assistance and things like that, because

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we’re going to have to pull in as more information and support our staff as aggressively as we’re supporting our residents, because what they deal with on a daily basis is

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more akin to what public safety deals with, than any other target within this organization. And so that’s awesome to be operationally focused for me.

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We just had a cooking with burnout training this morning, although

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it was really wonderful. It’s the study provider. Is there anything that city council can do to let staff know that we really support appreciate?

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I don’t know if it would make a difference, but

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I appreciate your breakfast.

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Yeah, I’ve got some ideas and some ideas on some things I want to do. So what I’ll do is I’ll chat with you all about it. But I don’t want to

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give up my surprise.

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I think it’s appreciate I mean, you know, when you when you see him, you know, always

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we’re always making decisions that we’re going to make people ignore

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decisions. What I wanted him to know, is here’s the end, make decisions, safety for individual safety for the residents, livability, and we’re going to discuss what’s at the core of everyone that works.

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And this is a cultural, this is probably the most significant cultural change

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is the entire team’s focus on that. And we know, he made decisions that

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some people aren’t going to watch.

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And their hearts are in the right place. And that’s incredibly important. And we’re in the right place, right frame of mind.

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You know, and so we dropped him on everything we’re running through them to go getting ourselves in trouble for doing those two things. Unfortunately, that’s Sarah’s not seeing it while they’re with us. I mean, she can speak to I think that’s the change.

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So when you see him,

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just tell him to show appreciation because they’re on the front lines. And during those critical keys, as he talked about solving housing issues in our community, and I would say you involved in the housing work you’re doing as a city, when we’re looking at the road ahead of us in terms of housing, parents rental, for sell those issues during the trenches, neighbor, and so sometimes show appreciation.

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And I probably don’t do a good enough job on a daily basis either. So I need to say that to myself.

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So we’re

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really mushy. I have a question for the staff.

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I am frequently asked,

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How much does the city spend on this quarterback and have had occasion to look for the LBJ pipeline? Right. Now we’re focused on CD which is going to break ground almost immediately. And the Northover which is couldn’t happen, either this year, you know, and

Unknown Speaker 2:19:38
I think I’ve asked this question before about not knowing the pipeline or not remembering the pipeline. But the real problem is I can’t search for the pipeline. You don’t know where it is a right to be able to find out how much it’s going to cost and it could be me being stupid. It could

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You can be in, like the

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portal is not supposed to be better.

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And so it’s like, I just knew, I don’t want to.

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But I sure would like to know how to, I think we gave me a schedule that we can resend that to everyone.

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The challenge would cost

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I know that that changes yours. I mean, you know that nobody cares about the details.

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Ballpark, and, and the timeline and, and, you know, I never throw away any emails, but I can’t read all of them. So

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to be able to know what the keyboard is to search of it. I failed for the last three days. So we’re reworking our housing sites now. I know that that’s there’s a lot of work on that but we already have that built

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into it

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so Seeing no other comments, motion to adjourn.

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Okay, it’s been moved by Commissioner waters in here to work

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on those in terms that I

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think

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