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Parks and Recreation Advisory Board – April 2024
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Advisory Board meeting?
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STATCOM. President Thomas Davis,
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page Lewis here, and maybe
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that goes level here.
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And counseling is on Sean McCoy.
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Okay, moving on, let’s go on to the approval of the agenda for this month’s meeting.
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Any comments or if not, is there a motion to move the agenda? Mr. GROVE agenda? Second? Second. All in favor? All right.
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Opposed, we can keep on truckin, then approval of previous month’s minutes. There any comments on previous month’s minutes? Now, then, is there a motion to approve? I move to approve previous month’s minutes. Second. All those in favor?
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All right. It’s all four of us. Okay, great. Moving right along, then.
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Next up is public is ready to be heard. We have public and budgeting.
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Okay,
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then we’re, you know, fast, we’re gonna move on to old business, which is the discussing the board retreat.
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Just wanted to thank everyone who submitted the surveys appreciate that. I actually do not have the results of the surveys yet, but I think Jeff is gonna help me.
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It appears that he had the most people being able to attend a Sam, you were not available. And data is not available.
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And we
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don’t think we’ve heard from page number eight yet.
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No. So yeah,
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we’ve got a lot of things up up in the air. So I don’t know, if you want to wait a month on this.
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Maybe everybody will be here next month? Well, I know it’s not gonna be the May date. Correct. So that means that we will be meeting again, and then we can Okay. And while there’s three of us, other things to join.
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Okay, then then let’s, if that’s the case, then I think we’re looking at punting to next month to a table table on the edge. So now that I have stuff proceed with reserving a spot, like a space for the meeting?
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Well, we don’t know the date or the date or
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the page.
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Okay, not ideal, but I think it’s okay. What about results for that topic? So you get results? Not from page. But we do you have that?
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Now, there’s you don’t have to? You don’t have to make a decision on this. But I’m just curious.
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I think on the
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questions, I think everybody had responded. But maybe Thomas, did you? Did you respond to the watch or the topics? I believe I did. I thought I had I can No, I guess I have. Yeah, yeah. You have responded to the date, but not not that. So. We need
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page and
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not pay just Thomas to respond to that.
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Next
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so for more, then we’ll table that for next meeting then.
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Cool. And then there’s just that one open question. And maybe Wilson at a follow up? Yep.
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Okay,
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cool. Let’s keep moving on. Then let’s move item as you might have make this national game after all.
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Three, moving on to new business. They’re gonna start off with the discus partnering with Boulder Valley and innovation districts. That’s
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items A and B. They’re gonna
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combine the same thing. Yeah. I mean, either way is part of IBP. I see. Because we we just wanted we came here to talk to you about open spaces acquisitions priorities for 2024 and Oleander sees one of them.
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Great search for you. Yeah. Yes. So we’ve already started the year by purchasing that lander car. So it’s a good step procedure. Yeah.
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And we still gonna have that
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stuff down a little bit. Like seating area. Up
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Generally like an
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audience
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if it’s part of the house, it’s not part of our ownership over there
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oil and gas in the corner
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areas cut out of our ownership. This is
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January
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This is
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the old
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sister city
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was it dinner there? It looks like it said
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okay, this is this is hope
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west north eastern union here.
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Oh or Oh, okay. Got any nice.
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Which one do you think the one
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I was nevermind. I thought Overlander as a result. Maybe I’m missing. Remembering the name over here pastor that all right sorry. Oh
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yes, that’s a that’s a private piece with the County County piece next to it. So okay.
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Yeah, they have the farm.
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Close. So starting off with,
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with this topic helping us like contextualize it. All right. So now you know where the Oleander farm is that we bought earlier this year. So this was
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a big chunk. This was a big chunk of our open space acquisition fund for the year. So this was a big, important acquisition that we accomplished. And, you know, back in 2016, council Gate City Council game,
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staff directed that, it’s, we would like to see you putting conservation easements on open space that is acquired to give it extra protection. So the owner farm now that we purchased it is as a goal to get a conservation easement on it this year. And then we have
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this acquisition that really is an important piece, because prior to this, I was properties if you struggle a bit from 66, all the way down. Now, those are all city open space for water property. So that whole eastern side of this was a puzzle piece that was missing the chunk in the corner. So all those properties our continuous. Yeah, it does give us a nice kind of buffer between us and our neighboring communities of open space. And so we have a local family already out there farming. And they’ve been out there for a month already.
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So we we would like to put his conservation easement over Oleander this year. And we’re looking to partner with Boulder Valley in Longmont conservation districts to do that. So Sarah approached them and they were interested, and they have their board meeting tomorrow morning. So I’m going to attend their board meeting and answer any questions that their board might have.
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So we so we can go through all of the acquisitions that we have on our list, and then we can circle back with questions or you can just get
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them. Is it? Is there a history of the city owned properties having easements owned by the those reserves? Yes, it’s a couple of our other open space properties here east of union are our conservation easements with Boulder Valley in Lamont Conservation District. We have our Turner Hartman and French properties. They’re the CE holder on those.
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So yes, and so in terms of what what this might look like, with us being the fee simple landowner and then being the conservation easement holder. You know, typically when you do this kind of thing, there’s usually a baseline property report done. And so they, you know, that was one of their questions. Do you want to do that? And yes, we do is good due diligence. And we’ve looked back at what that would have cost in the past when we did previous partnerships with them. And so I thinking somewhere between five and $10,000, to do the baseline.
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What else
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would you say about that? Is there a standard reason that language poses in those cases? Or is it very soon? No leverage? No, it’s ours. It would well, actually, I don’t actually know if they have a template that they would want us to use.
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We haven’t done
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template that we usually use. I mean, we’ve probably partner in Boulder County as well, they have their own template. So I think it’s just the attorneys agreeing on.
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And our attorney looking it over and making sure that all the tenants of what we expect to see are covered.
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Yeah, this should be fairly negotiated. Both parties typically have a form and we will get one. I think we’re pretty close on the first draft, there’s usually something to work out.
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What are the risks for this sort of thing? I mean, keep in mind, are there anything that we
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I mean, what are the risks entering into a conservation easement? Or present protecting the conservation values of an open space?
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open ended question. Yeah. I mean, things that come to mind are, you know, they, they would then come and monitor the property every year, or the properties that they will see ease on? So?
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I don’t know. I can’t What do you think do you think I mean, I guess there’s just a little more, there’s more eyes on what we’re doing out there. You know, they’re making sure we’re going to comply with the terms of the easement. But that’s something the city would like to do. Anyway. So I think it also in a way maybe helps to there’s, you know, there’s so many out there once a year who can report back? Yeah, there are any violations, for example, in trespass on this property there is like it’s an historic farm. So a family owned, its, you know, for many decades, and they had like a place where they just put everything that they discarded from the farm in one area. So then the tenant farmer that out is out there now has asked us for a dumpster because he wants to start cleaning that up. And if we put a CEO over it, we’re gonna say that needs to be handled, we’re gonna look at that every year. And they’re gonna monitor it and say, hey, it’s not coming up, or it is. So those type of things will happen.
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I think one things that, again, that the reasons that for her proud boards and council on this is it makes it more difficult for one body just to overturn something. So again, with the risk areas, probably more of a risk for future Council, they said all of a sudden that we’d like to build a hotel here, we should just
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do fireworks. That’s where things are taking
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us to too sensitive right now, if you look at something like the hurricanes Park, it has a conservation easement on it. Not only do we take a farm nature area, does the conservation easement on it. If council would like to do something is up remember, they have a conservation easement, we have to make sure that that other party is aware of that in his MIDI, the terms of that conservation easement. So it does make it more challenging to, you know, do something different than when we purchase a property for so again, I think that were some of the risks, I’d say it’s really more down the road as well. So like to try to undo this, it makes it more challenging. And conservation easements
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are different. Like, you know, I’m sitting here we’re sitting here is the open space team telling you that
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previous crabs and city council have directed to put conservation easements over open spaces whenever we can.
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But there are some there are some properties that the city water department purchased around the reservoir for expansion. And those properties have conservation easements over them with very different language that says, when we’re ready to expand the reservoir, the farming operation, we’ll you know, shrink over to this side of the property so the reservoir can expand. So that that’ll look very different than the conservation easement and language that we would want to put for all under. Okay, thank you.
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Alright, so we’ll we’ll update you on how it goes with Otter Valley Conservation District board. Also, we came to last year and some of you were here and some of you weren’t
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talking about our acquisition priorities and some of our acquisition priorities are our partnership, a partnership that we want to enter into with Boulder County. Did you want a motion from the board as you take this forward that you can let them know that either supports this or not? Well, I was getting there. And I was thinking that maybe we get through all of them first and then I talked and then a subset of them are the partnership with Boulder County
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and it works.
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Is that alright?
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So we’re gonna go through just 555 on top of all under including
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five, five including Oh lender.
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And some of them are going to be so what I was trying to say is that
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We came here last year to say these are our acquisition priorities. And these are the ones that we’re taking a Boulder County that we want to partner on. And last year, we didn’t have anything because we have just partnered with them on Adam farm. Right. And so we we just went to them and said, you know, we value your partnership. And we’re here to like be a supporting partner for you. If you need a letter on a grant or anything like that. That’s what we did last year. We were making it a plan in here. So we’re doing that again. We’re we’re we submit this every year to Boulder County, they asked all the municipalities for we have funding available every year what what are you asking the partner on? So
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a lander, we’re not asking them because that we’re we want to partner with Boulder Valley, along with conservation districts. The next one, though, is the Milton CTE in the button rock preserve area.
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So this is a
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private property.
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It’s those two parcels right there. So the green is the outline of our button rock preserve that the city owns. And then those two parcels are private. And a lot of it around to the north is Forest Service property. So this landowner actually approached Longmont and said I’m interested in distinguishing development rights. He mentioned the northern parcel, but he’s up to 30 fives there. And he
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is interested in potentially in distinguishing development rights on both. And so we went and we looked at the property to see if that would potentially meet what we would consider important conservation values for ice.
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The thing with this is if he were to donate these
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CDs, logline is not a state certified agency. So we would,
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we would ask Boulder County to hold the conservation easement
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on these because they are a state certified agency, you have to be certified to accept donations by Dora. And they are.
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So this is one that we want to put in our requests to Boulder County this year. So Sarah has had some conversation with them about it. And they’re,
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yeah, they’re amenable to it. They’re looking into it. And the reason that this would be beneficial to longlines, even though we wouldn’t be the CD holder is that
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it’s right next to button rock preserve, and it would have value in terms of he’s interested into a wildfire mitigation. So it would it would be adjacent to us. So any work in that arena would really help us out. And it would just be more conserved acres near our property. And if there’s anything you want to add to that, no, yeah, we will we did talk about if there is a overcome equal to easement, maybe having a right, reserved the right to purchase. We do have a question out to Boulder County, if sometimes in these kinds of deals if if there’s a CTE holder.
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You know, since the landowner approached us, and we’re bringing this to Boulder County, we’re asking Boulder County, if in the CTE language we could right in the right of first refusal. So if Mr. Melton everyone to sell one, what would have the right of first refusal to purchase these parcels? So we’re looking into if that’s a possibility in this deal?
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Is that little green stock up above? I love the button rock that will now be continuous for constant here’s an island a button rock that would be contiguous, per se, these would still be privately owned. But yeah.
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So would there be something weird between like,
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going from city to county property? Like, would there be any weirdnesses with that, like, over here, we have county property right there. So you can have goats, like we’re or they’re like, weirdnesses, with like emergency response or anything like that in that area, that would be problematic there. So those wouldn’t be open to the public. Okay, and that, that area that is not contiguous is not open to the public. Okay. So in this instance, no, there wouldn’t be any sort of problem with that, in this area is called unincorporated or county. So fire services and stuff is mostly one month. I’m sorry. Lyons is a first responder up there. So we have good mutual aid agreements and voting and the sheriff’s office and the fire up there as well. Okay, so we’ve gotten through to Yeah, are there any structures on this point?
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He’s got his second home on that lower self parcel. And you’ve extinguished English every day.
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He wants to English on the northern one. He wants to distinguish, extinguish all the development rights on the southern one. There’s nothing, no structures whatsoever on it. He is also interested, when I spoke with him last fall in maybe putting a house lot having his house lot carved out of the first one having seed for the rest of it.
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Have you discussed evaluation of the city with a price for that, that that’ll be up to a Boulder County? So we’re gonna go through this.
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associated with them? Yes, yeah. I mean, there’ll be a per acre price, fair market value, kind of?
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There’ll be something that we’ll get to that. But yes.
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There’s a reason I ask is if you’re asking for input on priorities, knowing what this would cost to different areas in portfolio. This is a, you know, not only this,
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you know, close to Walmart property. So it’s interesting to compare the prices.
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Yeah, actually, that’s, that’s a good point.
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There’s not a whole lot of
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money involved in a lot of these things that I’m talking with you about today with this, like this wouldn’t this wouldn’t.
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We weren’t wouldn’t really even be in this deal, necessarily. This would be Ste between Boulder County and the private landowner. We’re hoping to write in the language of first refusal. But it’s a benefit to us with this, with this land being next to button rock in terms of wildfires safety and things like that to
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that Yeah. Yeah. I’m just saying if we’re saying we’re asking you guys to do this, these are our asks, there’s value to that. You could have two other big outs. Money for that, because we’re doing this.
Unknown Speaker 21:46
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we don’t have we don’t have like $2 million, but $6 million of things to buy right now.
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But there could be a year when we come in saying that we do need your help deciding what to do.
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Okay, so the third one is in button rock as well.
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There is a state, the parcel is owned by the state land board and flattened rock. I mean, and city of Longmont leases it out, we have a lease over the property.
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Do you know the details in details about the use and why? What, what the lease is called a recreational lease, but I think it’s just so
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I don’t know if she brought something up. But on these, you know, this is the ones that were set aside where I do have a school board piece that were always intended to raise money for the school districts be that timber or lumber, and they really wanted to dispose of those, well, the county has gone through some of these as well. And they keep raising the rent on the excess one piece of it that makes it challenge for us, we were paying a pretty significant amount of rent on this as recreational lease. And so we can’t recreate
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recreation recreational use. And so I think if we if we had this property in our feet ownership, it gives us the ability to manage it, we want to not have to worry about ever increasing rent rates. And again, there’s actually some opportunities for some trails and stuff in that area that I think that we can look at as well to make it accessible to our community as well. So yes, so unlikely to see easily just come through this one we are we would be interested in purchasing in fee and being the owner of and so
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in 2020, or something state land board, according to price, the Ranger up there was trying to sell this. And I don’t know what happened to that deal. I wasn’t sitting in this position. So I didn’t I wasn’t even aware of it. But he let us know that in the past we’ve been interested in selling. So I approached them this year and said Are you interested in selling and the person that I spoke to said, Oh, I don’t think so I don’t think we ever want to sell our properties. But let me talk to the guy who really knows. And as of this morning, I haven’t heard back, but this is one that we would be wanting to partner with Boulder County on because we wouldn’t, I’m assuming I’m assuming with the fact it’s almost 90 acres it’d be, you know, we’re talking on the order of million dollars, maybe more.
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We want to potentially partner with them. And or, you know, come working up a deal with them for this.
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So kind of more to come on that I want to include this one on the list. If we hear back from the Stateline board and they say actually, yes, it is for sale and here’s the price. We don’t have that piece yet. So
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you can circle back to that in a minute. Let me just get through the
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Last two pieces.
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The trail priority that we have on our list that we were going to put on our Boulder County partnership.
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Ask is just the regional trail planning in the area that was we brought this last year. And then regional trail planning in the areas of Walmart to Mayans, Erie to Longmont, the Rocky Mountain Greenway master planning effort was set aside when the flood happened, and it hasn’t been picked up since. But Sarah and I were just there in January, and their trail planners were talking about potentially picking that effort up again. So we want to say we’re here to partner with you. Whether it be you know, beyond your technical advisory committee beyond,
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you know, help helps with grant support, things like that. So we just want to add that to the list
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as a partner with them as the leader.
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And that’s that’s exactly what we did last year. But this is the first year since then we’ve heard them say like, oh, no, we are we are interested in starting. So more to come on that. And then something new that we’re putting on on our list, but it’s not a partnership with Boulder County, it’s just last month’s acquisition priorities is water for open space. We’ve just bought the Oleander farm, but it had no water to buy with it. So we’ve got a farmer on there. And we’re working with our water resources department to essentially rent water, move water, move city water around so that that farmer can have a viable farm. So we’re only in a one year lease because we only have a one year solution to that problem right now. So
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we would like to prioritize
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possibly using some of our acquisition funds if we can to buy Highland ditch water, and CVT water.
Unknown Speaker 26:59
Okay, so that’s, that’s all the priorities. And then so there were five things the old undersea II, the button wrap area built in CEE, which is the private landowner button, we’re not state landlord personal, which we would want to buy See, concentrating on buying water and the regional trail planning efforts. So that’s, I think, and then the ones that we would want to put on the Boulder County application are the Milton CD, a button rock with the two parcels, the state land board partial there, and just just, you know, reordering to them. But we do want to be part of the trail planning. Rocky Mountain Greenway planning process.
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Was a lot.
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Yeah, you did a good job
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I worked in earlier, I think is that there’s no there’s other properties out there that you didn’t include this is kind of the best, lowest we have. The best we have. I mean, sometimes there are things that come up during the year. Like, there’s always there’s, we don’t know that tomorrow, there could be an opportunity that I didn’t talk to you about tonight. Those sorts of things, or things that aren’t ready to be shared publicly. But yeah, this is our list. This is our current list for 2024. Knowing that we made a big, big acquisition just in February.
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So if you’re looking for look forward to the support or thinking of this, or
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are you looking for me to say I’m good that we accept what you just said? And because of
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that, I mean,
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I do move that. I mean, I think that all sounded good and logicals me like good acquisitions, to go to Boulder County. And I also Yeah, like conflict conservation easement, as well. And I moved there, we do that. So I don’t know. That’s official. It was spoken. And the motion would it’s not a recommendation to city council. It’s just staff. Right.
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It’s, it’s so that staff can include it so that we know that you do or don’t like our whole list of acquisition priorities for 2024. And then separately, I want to be able to say on our application to Boulder County. We took this to proud here are their thoughts. They like it all they don’t like it all they like this and not that. So it’s kind of
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two things.
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Got it.
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I like what you said,
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thanks
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guys. I think what you said that was all good. I mean, there’s some I like more excited about than others. But it’s it’s okay, that sounds good to me. So, so that’s
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So
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the only question I had was the school board special, non recreational recreational listing, if we buy it, do any of those funds then switched back to the school board like it was intended for?
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If all that was just a timber pricing things, that’s that. So we basically lease it now and pay a lease rate. So that would go away. Yeah, we would own it. Yep. So.
Unknown Speaker 30:30
Okay. And then, you know, I was we were just briefly talking about maybe the school collect some sort of return on it, but they leased it out just because they’re trying to earn money. Right. Okay. I think they’re all across the state trying to read rather get a lump sum cash and pass that and get better. That’s probably paying out more than temporary. Yeah. Yeah. I was just wondering if those evaluations
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any other concerns you want to raise before we move into a motion?
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To try again?
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So
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the last few weekends, I move that we go to Boulder County with the proposal, the acquisition acquisition proposal that
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all right, motion on the Florida. We have a second. Second. All in favor. Okay. Which was a better well, that’s great. That’s great. It’s awesome. Yeah, like, they don’t care. They just didn’t like it, or did they not like me?
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Right, like, that’s great. Thank you. We don’t need great wording. Yeah, well, we’re to the other time, goals.
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Okay. Now, does that mean that we’re done with both A and B that
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you want to say anything about the fullest or just that was the Boulder County list?
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Oh, there’s more. Yeah. This is the whole there’s five things three things are going on the list goes.
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On. And I understand that, and I move that we partner with Boulder Valley and Longmont conservation districts on the parcel above union reservoir.
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That’s
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all under parcel. Sorry. I didn’t want to say I’m on farms.
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Okay.
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Okay. Awesome. Thank you. All those in favor.
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Okay, well, we’re using that as well. Great.
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Now, we better never get
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up there and having to use
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the urine for that.
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Okay.
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So that would mean that we’re covering on both A and the right. Right. Awesome. Okay.
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So then let’s keep moving on to the next item, which is assessing 2024 Capital Group projects. And we’ve already got proposed projects.
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The topic I think, David, are you worried? Yes. I’m gonna start. Just like I’m sorry.
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Yeah, I’ve heard is.
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So one of the things we wanted to do is just do kind of an overview of the CIP process. We are we as staff are in the midst of that right now. And that process will end on May 6. Each department in the city has about 30 days to develop or update their projects in the system. And parks must have 100 projects on its own. The UK recreation has about 10 of them. And so during that process, we update the CIPS and the CIPS are unique in that it’s a five year plan.
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Council will only review and approve the 2025. But it gives them kind of a guideline of what’s going to happen for four years after that. But again, they only will approve the 20 $25 amount.
Unknown Speaker 34:39
Any questions on process? That’s kind of quick, because we do have a lot of projects we want to go through.
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And questions. Everyone’s great.
Unknown Speaker 34:52
So also, don’t we know Stephanie, nobody is up here to talk about her project. And that’s the majority of our CIP.
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projects with that big piece that was assigned by counsel and leadership with Harold was eight and five projects. Daniel has a couple of those as well. We talked about those Stephanie’s husband was in a pretty significant car accident. So she is at home with him right now. It’s been a week at a hospital and it’s going to be a while before she knew it would be back in the office. So I’m having to cover for her tonight. We actually just did this with Harold, though. So I think it’s Jeff talked about what the challenging things with this group and Jeff might have was like two is how we help you be more involved in this process where it really is a a list of projects that aren’t always completed, we started right laid it out for the next five years.
Unknown Speaker 35:45
And we rolled through those, they have a density of carry forward. So for us right now, probably the biggest things that we can look at are those eight and five projects. And that’s where Stephanie’s Danielle’s are working on those. And of those eight, clover meadow is in the process of going right now. And that should be completed. By fall of this year.
Unknown Speaker 36:13
Dry Creek is in settings and fields
Unknown Speaker 36:17
should be ready for play. Next year sounds like 2005. And then Fox Meadows is looking like January point five. So we got three of those that are looking into they have a completion date. And then Danielle has right now would have the union 00 I’m sorry.
Unknown Speaker 36:38
Yeah, union Trail,
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which is part of the bigger master plan. And that would start you can start designing this year, and oranges construction in 2025 phasing construction. And then you have seen great Greenway, baseball is another side. And that’s
Unknown Speaker 37:01
the Western extension of St. Green Greenway to airport road, that should it’ll eventually connect. So it’d be currently designed as along the north side, and it would connect to future polar county extension of St. Greenway. So we have that plan for design and probably the second half of 20 ties and construction and
Unknown Speaker 37:29
they’ve had Thanksgiving. So we’re having a trail that goes to airport, where else?
Unknown Speaker 37:37
Why? Why do we need another one on the north side?
Unknown Speaker 37:41
Okay, so this is a project, part of the Greenway trail where we’ve done a legend phases of the trail in the city, they’re complete. We’re doing the 12 phase, or phase 13 is connecting sandstone ranch to St. Green State Park. And then the last piece of it is this phase 12 that would connect us into Boulder County system. So it’s it’s a project that’s been on our books since
Unknown Speaker 38:13
the 90s. Yeah. So it’s a project that our team is going to be working on, which we have not started on. So we also our team also inherited St. Green through team, which was during the construction on and we inherited that project, we inherited an idea about where the trail should go. And we did not end up close to that, because we did our very initial analysis of the trail. And it didn’t make sense to us after you know, two decades had passed. It didn’t jive anymore. So we came up with a new plan that made sense for today. So the same process is going to occur on 12. We’re going to do a very initial alignment analysis and ask questions just like that. What are we doing here? Does this make sense? Where does it make sense? So none of that has even started. There’s big Heron mess there that herring row three ponds. Yep. Yep. So for the record, golden ponds is one of my favorite areas.
Unknown Speaker 39:14
And my what I talked with David about is that we already have the connection to airport, wouldn’t we be money ahead, to be able to get all the way to polar crossing by not having to do that another trail all doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Let’s I mean, so we started by putting all the ideas on the table when I was 13. I could bring up an image and show you about 10 Different trail ideas that we had. Obviously like I write that like in sculpture a lot area and outside of Port code. Right now there is sidewalk on our court road that is protected nice bike path all the way to St Green Road, but not all the way past the farm and all the way up to Ninth Avenue.
Unknown Speaker 39:55
That’s my point is that you could use that money to do that.
Unknown Speaker 40:00
or rather than paying for another trail on the north side, all the way to airport. Yeah. Just working out shoving likens Gulch kind of dead ends in Australia, right, I also had to do the nice, but it also be much greenways like a nice direct path, a lot of it, that’d be a big deviation worth looking at,
Unknown Speaker 40:21
is just so this group knows, I’ve been working
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with Stephanie, because the landlord Saint green, these 12 subjects will be dedicated within like 90 days after it was annexed. That was seven years ago now. And it still hasn’t been dedicated. So we’re working on that. And the landowners are pushing back and saying, why would the drill here and make more sense here? So one things we did is really commit to saying is that what Danielle just said,
Unknown Speaker 40:49
we have we’ve inherited an old plan, we’re going to look at it, we’re gonna see what circumstances that change what makes sense. And I’ll tell you from the Natural Resource side, and private headquarters is an important piece for us. User experience is important. And when you hear about our budget for upcoming projects, budgets a big piece too. So if we can save $1 to make connections, make things happen to give a good user experience and connect, you know, an area of heavy impact habitat. Where do you get all in consideration?
Unknown Speaker 41:22
Well, I think that is one of the properties right here, there’s kind of that part of the kind of just purchase stuff, the other options also for one that they’re interested in love it, but does that property but still require that we should. Yep, and so we didn’t include this one in our 2024 acquisition priorities. But in terms of partnership with Boulder County, we are trying to connect into their system with this last leg of the same green Greenway through to the city. So we’ll probably be talking about it to you this time next year. In that capacity, flow.
Unknown Speaker 41:56
And to get this then those projects again it just so super service
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all these extra people as is great having people we’re working on some new stuff down but when we get these done in a year, we really are talking now from iconified aLOX
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is pretty impressive.
Unknown Speaker 42:20
Which then that so let me go back then. So that is now the union trail based while which is even five, the clover Meadows Dry Creek and five miles, this five to 851 there.
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When this really kicked off, one of the driving forces was
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your library members just like Steve’s in your Boyaca Kathy lab in one person trying those projects, we had a pile of money and we couldn’t get things moving. Because all this work was getting held up at ESC project as if it were responsible for another CIP Z CIP work my city.
Unknown Speaker 43:01
Now this work is getting done, but we have burned through that was a pile of money, no to do it. Now we have people to do it and we’d like a pile of money. So we’re really having to start looking at what kind of permits coming in to refurbish funds within these different fund categories, how Conservation Trust is lining up how open space can be used along some of the Greenway projects. So it’s going to be really
Unknown Speaker 43:25
hard to start being creative on those those next group we also talked about in this piece, even at the projects we’re doing because we wanted to do so much at once.
Unknown Speaker 43:36
Step nine kind of job you’re saying we’re getting five really good Park stuff. There’s nothing spectacular because we had to kind of put things on bit more bare bones to make sure we could try to use these funds try to get parks in areas have been waiting for a long, long time. Green talk about you know Gallo, it’s in this process too that we made some commitments about moving from two pickleball courts to four pickleball courts and to make sure that we give a good experience over there we did one painting in that area. So we really are going to be getting a lot of work done but it is
Unknown Speaker 44:09
not super creative. So we’ve talked about do we do the next three or two maybe one really well or do we need to really well or we look at recreation say what play is your biggest priority and when we slow it down a little bit to try to make sure that we’re able to do these parts in the way that we kind of want lots standards of quality and again I think way through the quality parts is great but I think everyone in this field
Unknown Speaker 44:36
in this room, especially the side table they want to see really cool stuff look cool stuff cost a lot of money. And it’s amazing how much it costs anymore and that’s one of the things that
Unknown Speaker 44:48
minus w staff members takedown enjoyed looking at that we’re working with demo bid on it was called place right easy people are going well they found out is that when you build a really cool part because we had this idea of what have arches and watches
Unknown Speaker 45:00
Is it 10 minutes, but the minute you build something really cool, people start going to get really close to pieces ever once. They’re really cool. And so do we not have 50 parts, but scale that back. And as a Denver’s finding out, and really builds up the community wants. And again, I think with our trail system, you can get about anywhere in a park system, it’s really easy to get to that one posting that one post, you actually get shot and Greenway that can get you to someplace else, too. So I think we have to have some conversations about how we go from this from the CIP projects into what’s in that somebody’s conversation we have with this group of Lauren price started currency, what is was recreation when you’re a project manager sees the gaps in our community. And again, this place where it we’re really seeing where we are having gaps, especially in neighborhoods that are underserved, you know, do we have the ability for them to have that park in their backyard, but they don’t have to get into car to drive someplace. So
Unknown Speaker 45:53
I think I see people making great progress or progress on both five of our parts right now that we can say we’re
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on time within budget, and it’d be doing a great job. But after that, we’ll have to come back and say, how do we move forward?
Unknown Speaker 46:08
And one question was around union, can you just briefly cover the sequencing of the Cairo realignment, the reservoir expansion and a trail for those all Haratz?
Unknown Speaker 46:18
We’ve seen for a year in our notes that we’re waiting on what kind of road to change. That’s the that’s the CIP but we’ll be partially funded. So is it fair Park has a trail that we can’t actually act on these other things haven’t happened yet? Right. So we had a meeting a couple of weeks ago, where a decision was made, that union reservoir company is going to work as like a separate project, to basically do a test sort of an interim widening of CRF 26 that would allow us to build the trail, the older portion of County Road 26.
Unknown Speaker 46:56
Because yeah, they but it’s like the transportation grp 120. It is they don’t have the funding for I think they said like three to five years to actually do that realignment. So our plan currently is to do the design.
Unknown Speaker 47:11
And then phase construction, and we don’t know what design will look like. There are a lot of environmental constraints here that we want to be cognizant of. And also we’re trying to balance human reservoir company’s needs because this will serve as a maintenance road for them. And then Rangers too. So there’s a lot of unknowns for what the trail will actually look like. We were calling it a loop trail but we’re not going to call it that because we’re not really sure what that will look like. So that’s the idea now
Unknown Speaker 47:40
what what are you what are you
Unknown Speaker 47:45
not a loop what well, the interim Yeah, like not going this is really prime habitat up here. So currently,
Unknown Speaker 47:54
can we get to the dirt roads?
Unknown Speaker 47:57
Yeah, so having like there’s been discussion I don’t know exactly where but using some of these already use codes that are already on city land. And like having that be a connection and maybe like an emergency access to the trail. But then how do you turn around because another thing is they want to keep it secret, they want to keep it from them. So and now the Raiders also only want one point of access into union reservoir so there’s a lot of things to consider with that
Unknown Speaker 48:35
the roads in the north side are beautiful acquirement flat dirt roads that you can reuse those that will be awesome. He’s up here Yeah, it’s like it’s already like a free trails there. That was one car in our I see trucks there. I don’t know what’s happening over here. But we’re doing but yeah.
Unknown Speaker 48:53
My god ran cross country in that row when it when they’re doing beet harvest when they do a silage harvest it gets pretty dangerous out there. So yeah, I think those things we definitely we, again, trying to strike that balance of how do you get what the community really asked for which is a loop trail looking at going all over the county road by looking at 28 on the north how you tie the seas and together to try to give the recreational experience this patrol trying to protect those natural resources that we have in this areas it’s going to be
Unknown Speaker 49:25
because the Allies obviously there’s also the boat County Road 26 trail so they plan as well. what’s currently happening
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just going to design this trail right now to
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12.
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You could do I mean we have seasonal trail closures for all sorts of other things right? We just have an ag seasonal chef kosher
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probably
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Maybe it’s never been done all the rest of the round the rest of the world, but love might
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not pave the way.
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Crusher fine.
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So
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take a step back 18 Five started 2023. Right?
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Yes. Right. So
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we have until 2028 The correct
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if I’m looking at the packet, there’s three right now that are like in the in the process in the works. So three, those are instead visa that you have you have zeros, which is the other you is the union interim Trail, which is the fourth.
Unknown Speaker 50:47
Okay, and then she she’s talked about 12, that is really out there as well, too. So those are those are the ones that you find there pretty much locked in right now. Okay, which leaves us
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with three that are not correct, actively being worked on right now. And then the question that we talked about is like
Unknown Speaker 51:14
greater focus versus more. Yeah, I mean, same time, somebody who’s pregnant,
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project managers, you know,
Unknown Speaker 51:26
we could do it all fast right now, it may not be the standards we want. We have to, you know, scale back and how we do things along month, we could take longer, but some funds build up. And, you know, really try to do them? Well, that’d be pushing these out probably past that eight year.
Unknown Speaker 51:44
Or we could scale back and how many we do and say, is it saying we do or six or seven? So we definitely have opportunities. I mean, if you want to give us the time to build up funds, we probably can do them all the time. Take more than that eight year. I’m sorry, five years? Yes.
Unknown Speaker 52:03
Yeah. So that’s what we have to kind of look at the one
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doing the one really well, we want to do what they do to kind of well, we just do three bare bones
Unknown Speaker 52:20
is kind of want to know, Nina Gala was about pickleball courts would come in on budget, then Amanda doesn’t care about pickleball courts, that is one place to play.
Unknown Speaker 52:31
And they want to play around on a good playground. Absolutely.
Unknown Speaker 52:36
And, you know, again, I think the things as we look at our all of our parks system, you know, we really tried to engage the neighbors to see what they want. And again, even in neighborhood park and try nine, if that’s a plus knows neighborhood, or our others, it really is still these are open to the community at large. You’ve heard from your community that Pickleball is a big piece. So how do you balance that with what the neighbors want? Plus with the community at large ones? I was just saying as far as budget, yeah. Later, maybe, you know, like, when?
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Yeah.
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Okay, where do we go from here? To this conversation you became
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where we’re this group like to go or what would you like us? Again, I think with Jeff, me is how do we engage you as we kind of move forward on making sure that we’re hearing voices before it’s to the point where decisions been made? Yeah. And that’s what I think a lot of times, you know, we already have a budget decided, how do we get to have the sameness and it’s really difficult here to have a say, because of the eight and five. It’s pretty much set for us right now. But, you know, what’s that future look like?
Unknown Speaker 53:53
What six
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right to maybe direction going, right? So we have sandstone ranch phase four. We have the quail campus. And that is one that we talked about, as you’re going with pickleball courts over there to kind of near the courts of the tennis courts over there, too. Before you move on, to Aaron’s point, if we’re going to build pickleball at Coyle, do, can we save money by not doing that?
Unknown Speaker 54:30
So that’s I mean, yeah, I mean, it’s that pickleball people with pickleball to play pickleball have access to cars. People that live in countryside village, need a place for their kids to play, that hopefully there’s not a third shooting app for this year. You know, like they’re like, this is like, that neighborhood has been so underserved for so long. Here’s what I’m saying. Is that like, since I’ve been here, you’ve been telling me
Unknown Speaker 55:00
that there’s no room for community voice because the community, the community was that we were already, but it just keeps getting pushed back getting pushed back.
Unknown Speaker 55:10
I can’t really represent that community, but I know that they’ll play pickleball if we can save the money and have pickleball at Quail, which is
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a nice little walk for anybody from there.
Unknown Speaker 55:25
Like then could you know gal happen, like couldn’t happen because they’re just the open for kids to play and a good, a good non rickety because the playgrounds in that area are pretty rapid improve schwag it’s already designed. We’re trying to find ways to bring it within budget. Yeah, but I was saying is you’ve probably already got a good playground there. So let’s keep the playground take the pickleball. And like you could add to pickleball later maybe, you know, I grew about a dry creek I think you guys in this where it was built out through the park, but all the things were installed. Right as planned, right. I think if you’re looking at ways to speed up progress with limited funds, doing the infrastructure of the park, but not all the things in the park as well, a person doing that you can leave us the grassy space that if in 10 years demand brick wall develops, you can certainly install it there. But until that just you’re getting grass is 100% cheaper than building the courts. Just carry Forsberg
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have we had
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hearings about design?
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And in those designs, we’ve included pickleball. It’s
Unknown Speaker 56:39
a can of worms, it’s already kind of been opened up a little bit, as you all know, right. And the pickleball folks being so aggressively voted off about that and wanting more and more. I mean, I hear more from them than I hear from other folks about that type thing. And I would I would, I would agree with your point clear. It’s one of those situations. And yes, we could probably shouldn’t wait to make this thing happen to make it get to the level that we want. But I can see. See, a lot of grinding of teeth and consternation going on to that would make people
Unknown Speaker 57:25
it would just be a
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another thing that people say, Well, you know, what, why my tax dollars not being used, you know, the way that we first initially planned that that is
Unknown Speaker 57:43
a really fine line to walk in regards to
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what we’re trying to achieve here.
Unknown Speaker 57:51
And I’m not against, you know, saying it’s gonna come in phases.
Unknown Speaker 57:56
When the first case when the earlier, you know, even if it’s
Unknown Speaker 58:02
phase two or phase three, it’s going to have to come to a relatively quick.
Unknown Speaker 58:08
Yeah, because privileged people gets privileged people are vocal, and that people that aren’t privileged,
Unknown Speaker 58:17
aren’t vocal don’t have access. So I’m on this board to represent the less privileged people. Let’s get that part going. Because when I say get that part going, it’s playground. And
Unknown Speaker 58:30
yeah, and I think those are great. We’ve talked about phasing lots of stuff. And that’s one of the things that again, we talked about when Gerald says specifically saying this is one of the parts that we’re not going to hold off on doing is we have to bring things back so that again, that was not one of the five, but it’s one that’s running parallel to that, and they came in so we’re budget, we had to go back and revisit it. So that sort of down a little bit. But we’re still moving forward. And still, hopefully, that destroys is off by what, 90 days.
Unknown Speaker 59:03
niganda was not, in fact, no.
Unknown Speaker 59:07
No. Okay. So the reason we didn’t do that the API because we did API does one on one things that Harold was an idea was doing. The BVA the value added process, which is a bidding process. Yeah, it was download part of we had to design on already be hard to take that and put it into a package that basically have a blank slate project. So yeah, that’s a Gibbler community is great because we have 85 plus we have that part still going to so.
Unknown Speaker 59:38
Okay.
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So I think you’re going back to Ben’s question then was the pick of balls at Quail.
Unknown Speaker 59:48
This handsome face for four and then the the completion of the dry creek community park phase two, the full build of that
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sugar
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of how much demand there is a sense. So as soon as a lot of demand, they will use that space it was baseball was done. It’s it’s designed as a ball field area. So there’s demand for both access already locked up
Unknown Speaker 1:00:15
and drag the phase two is moving the sled hill back. Right now that’s supposed to that. In that process, I guess as part of that, there’s more to it, there’s more to follow to golf get water feature, there is the permanent snow out there also right here.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:37
Okay, so really just so a couple of different ways you can talk about this. So we have sounds like there’s at least five that are in the hopper and motions, it’s really just the three that we’re looking for some feedback on about kind of what we’re thinking about them. And we can go different directions in this you can either say, you we can talk about, like stat ranking those three is somewhat helpful. But also,
Unknown Speaker 1:01:03
it used to be kind of implying was more saying like, do we want to take our time with those at risk of missing our five year deadline, right, versus
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trying to get to the deadline and
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more so looking to cut the face the same things out?
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Okay, those are the two open questions.
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And I think you guys were good. I think you’re gonna enjoy recreation. I think you know, for us, you know, the question is that when you ask
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would rather like proceed with dry creek? Or is it better to get sandstone phase four where we know we have demand that’s what I get from our site building and we don’t really know the demand.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:49
I just saw a vote towards
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sandstone because with spring Gulch, this crazies name sprinkles to face or whatever, you have an
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alignment problem and have seen frame trail to toward that is of how people navigate on bikes or by foot between basically the playgrounds to the
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show on there.
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What fits for that
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to all fields you want to
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see
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the center? Yeah.
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Right today.
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Fields
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So, ball fields playground. So yeah, it’s you’re coming back through here. Yeah. So there was, I remember the competition with Steve with the, with the realignment of the molecules, which I guess goes here is that there was going to be an alignment of a trail to go around these fields somehow or connect these fields so you’re not getting into the playground traffic, because your bike and pedestrian traffic that will be picked up there to connect to Zoom’s over again. So the trail bends, trail ends down here, right. And then there’s
Unknown Speaker 1:03:33
questions of you know, we’re phase 13 goes right.
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Over a year, so the understanding we have is that part of this expansion would be figuring out this alignment so you’re not missing people. Or
Unknown Speaker 1:03:53
I’m not sure I’m not I’m not sure either. I have to take a look that will get back to you and
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because no one can ride again those
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are way too many people so your concern was that you’re thinking that somehow we just continued as myself down through everything to the selfless ball fields easy you’re looking for a tie in. So yeah, so we’d have time without going out to the street. Be that seems that’d be like the lowest stress way for someone
Unknown Speaker 1:04:23
I thought like worth the risk of bogged down through your eyes. There’s just so much
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others that
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we said I got a little concerned that up in here. I missed it. Pretty easy. tell you this is what we definitely consider I don’t see. What do you think it’s early? I mean,
Unknown Speaker 1:04:40
I know. I know how much once you guys join the union. There’s gonna be so many people coming down through there.
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You got running around.
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I feel like I’d be on that on the east side of it. I mean, I don’t know because I never ride on that one.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:00
So I always run on the east side. No, I always ride it like the parking lot and the screw around. But yeah, intuitively people get stuck. And they’re like, I don’t even it doesn’t even occur to them to go away from where they know the train should be like, how do I even get there? What’s the next
Unknown Speaker 1:05:20
soccer game going on? They’re riding their bikes to people.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:25
Next question, so yeah, back to the why because good conversation appreciate it. But this is where this out here is Boulder County Conservation is number two. So what are you sort of saying getting Cesar to trail and I thought you’re just like a straight? Oh, it’s like, that’s not going to happen. And we also want to have food water County, and have them convinced and they’re gonna say no to so that’s again, why conservation easements matter and can become challenging sometimes, right? We have a conservation easement by Hayes. We have a contribution over Hey, is that been planning on the trail coming through? So that conservation
Unknown Speaker 1:06:06
Greenway phase 13 also realigns the trail along the road?
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Your right, it goes along the road?
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Because that would change how people go off the road and then go off that way. That trail was a decision. Yeah, I mean, the intuitive part is it says small parking lot
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too.
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Because that way
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you just design a cool intro. I did.
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Technology was
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oh, was going away from
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zero, but you know, rapping
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and all that. I mean, that aligns really well, with getting voice out of out of meaningful traffic areas. It doesn’t sound like the hardest sell in the world.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:16
So Scott, you started talking, you said that you have the three Samsung drag preface to go with the ball, you’re most interested in sense. And that’s somewhat contingent on what actually is part of that project? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so then there’s just an action is right, just dominating that,
Unknown Speaker 1:07:36
like, contingent on that. Okay. Can you circle the area where the ball fields would go? How much of that space? I don’t know. I’m just
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designed to
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figure out, see, it’s almost it’s perfect. Yeah.
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What is that, where you leave the prairie? People have an adventure while they’re playing their ball. And you really have to look for it. When she when she got adventure ball. So
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the thing of that design concession stand was in the restroom right? There was intentionally put there because of the two complexes that way if we were running concessions, you didn’t have to build two of them. Yep.
Unknown Speaker 1:08:35
Well, that plays just I just was so pressed after that ruling, and Irish football.
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That was just, it just was so perfect.
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Yeah.
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Are there any other So again, going back to the three screen sensor branch face or dragging things to or program pickleball in theory, and even thoughts on the board on which of those are most interesting areas? You can also pick up as if you’re thinking something different. I would now I can just a lot. I think my my take would be that
Unknown Speaker 1:09:17
taking care of what we have today is more important than new things. Yeah. And generally, like adding pickleball courts to upgrade when we just failed to get money in terms of preparing the Rec Center. Let’s say I’m gonna go to the rec center if we could, that’s an option.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:33
But not enough to do anything, but isn’t like budgets are tight. Adding pickleball courts in public is the lowest interest rate.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:41
Even as a local community like we just they just opened the 30 Court, private facility and Bowen started one need for that two
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thirds 30
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bucks, and they pay $79 Now, yeah, so But you understand pickleball pickleball players that we’re talking about?
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Ain’t nothing. That’s their audience. They’re not Dale’s audience that is a small part of the entire pickleball. Community. The people who aren’t always at everything talking about the ball, they want it like tennis, they want it everywhere all the time. Oh, yeah. And that is it. That’s a that’s a, it’s really costly for the city to build those things for a very small number of smart to take somewhere tennis courts, were meant to have like around
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hoping hard, and turn them into pickleball courts, because they’re used nonstop. I mean, even with this wind event, you’d be like, how How’s that supposed to work? out there. And clutter is the same way.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:44
So I’m getting the sense that we’re not going to come to a consensus of like, if we’re trying to score stack rank, these three are probably not going to get here to align, although it was really just as a spurs update as we start looking at budgets and looking at where we want to go. And I do think, you know, hearing from recreation, where those kinds of inquiries are trying to get to the point where we start looking at budget, looking at these from that side table that says, hey, we’re having a little bit more robust conversations. And I think it really just was giving you guys a heads up that
Unknown Speaker 1:11:13
I think we’re going to be pushing through this first group pretty well. It’s going to be super tight. We’re getting as creative as we can. But it’s gonna be that next period that we want to talk about what we really think we need. And I think so that is you have here I think, Harold’s and counsel, the open to that is, are there ways we could use it to upkeep things? Are there parts that maybe we don’t need to be pushed to another area to try to increase value to the community was areas of use or meaningful conversations?
Unknown Speaker 1:11:42
In other words, can you define it that could I mean, that that’s again, maybe five and five, where you go, because they will we definitely want, we want success. So phase four, you know, pools dollars, make a really significant push at sandstone to make that hit and then we’ll wait on the other two or,
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again.
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But and you didn’t mention this, but one of the things we as staff have talked about is the need for a special event area. Fourth of July has really brought that to the forefront.
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There really isn’t a place in our community to do those kinds of large events, and maybe the sisters property at some point. For even Montgomery, one of the two could possibly become that location is in a
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parking lot at the sugar beet factory, it’s already paid. Well, that’s going to be it’s such a complex
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facility that it might
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it’s and it’s not ours to find out.
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So this is
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Nino is right here. And this will be the
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community park up here. And like Jeff said, you know, we’re we’re already partnering with the Innovation Center, which is right here doing pro show. So maybe this is something that’s close that could be thought of as a community gathering area to do some of things. Again, we also have
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Montgomery,
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up here, so we have kind of two that again, are on the five year plan and all that being we say that’s what’s really more important.
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Yeah,
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this might be like the weirdest thing ever and like, not what people do. What if we partnered with the county to make the venue that we have Boulder County Fairgrounds, it’s in here, make it a joint thing that really serves needs, the county is trying to improve the fairgrounds right now. And if we went to the table with county, and we started actually doing things together, around the fairgrounds, I just feel like
Unknown Speaker 1:14:06
I just see a lot of like half done stuff with the county there. But that’s like that they need support on and things that we need support on we need an event place well, that is an event place, it’s a pretty good event place needs to be better. And things like well, you know, we run all these special things with all these concerts, and then the fair languishes the fair is ours. You know, it’s city of Longmont fair, with Boulder County Fair at the same time, nobody. Nobody knows the difference except for the people that sit at these tables, right? So if we start partnering and like that more creative way, like what we’re bringing money to the table that’s already developed land, what if we’re bringing money and ideas and time to that table, instead of just redoing, starting from square one and like doing jointly, just makes more sense.
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It’s right there. It’s right in the center.
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Yeah, I definitely think with the peripheral parks as an event space, that same problem that we just discussed the same. So you said one of the differences in seven? Well, it’s hard to get there. Because no transit buses would get stuck traffic’s hard. Any of their peripheral parks would help that will sisters, that’s one thing. We’ve had some discussions with the wife and sisters, we do have the coil campus area. So that that’s a big advantage to that just that particular spot, because we do have large parking lots there. Another phase going in at some point. So that’s just a thought they’re not that doesn’t discount
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interest in it’s just another thing to consider it. I’m not sure if even be the staffs. Number one. Right.
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I look at the
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Grove, they’re very connected. The trails are in there. Yeah, it’s a bunch of dry parking lot space that’s empty for a year.
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For useful the city. I mean, there actually are there, there are events there. They’re three events there.
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But it could, it could be more, it can be more utilized. And, you know, utilize it. And we don’t want to take it away from the ag community at all, ever. But if we the ag community is looking for support from the urban community as well, it would be a good crossover. And I don’t know, it would just take a lot of negotiation from clever and open hearted people
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to work together. We just just take this with Rebecca, thank you. Thank you for sharing it.
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Let’s just set aside where that event space would be whether
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whether it’s Montgomery or sisters are the
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collaboration of Boulder County for the fairgrounds? Do we just a gut check? Do we think that having an establishing event space, where it’s top of mind is the July 4 show but we find that more urgent and more of an in need as compared to the other 385 projects are not in the
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queue?
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For me, it’s hard to tell with that because I don’t play baseball.
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I’ll play pickleball pickleball players I know baseball players.
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And that’s what I’m seeing those others are towards those things. But I guess an event space serves a larger cross section of our community than pickleball or baseball or anything or even sorry, even less frequent use. Right. I think that I agree with you. I don’t disagree with you.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:47
I don’t know. I would just say when it comes to baseball, we haven’t added a baseball field in one month since 1998. A long time in our community has grown a lot in that time. So I do think there is a need for more athletic one your if you are enlarging that that makes it for tournament play for big dollars. And then from that community. So high school teacher I can tell you how many how many Club kids there are right there doing that?
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Yes.
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Sir, answer your question, Jeff, do you know like what the demand is up beside for other spaces for events coming from outside or coming from the community that were able to serve? Well.
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I think if you build it, they’ll come sort of thing because they people know what we’ve got. And so they call us they’re saying
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Park. So the events we see the yellow look at Roosevelt. And that’s that’s like the main one. So I wouldn’t say there’s a clamoring that we’ve seen on that group.
Unknown Speaker 1:19:14
But our spaces are in demand and on this community sports, a lot of events, not just ours, but a lot of private events. It’s alright. So yeah, it might be answered No, I don’t see a
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situation that occurred. They thought they were going to have that, that getting the football in somewhere in the river. And that fell through the Astrodome. Well, I talked to the guy that arranged it and set it all up. And his father was just my neighbor. And they came along when they’re so happy with that, that if they can get an opportunity to do that again. And they go through a cycle of big cities like Chicago, Boston and New York, and so on.
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I love us, they were so happy with this data, great job, they did a, they’re doing some filming of it. And it’s getting out there. And what’s going to happen this week because of something like that, that’s going to be one of our tents on range is going to get really busy.
Unknown Speaker 1:20:19
At the same time, I don’t want to build recreational services for people that don’t live in Longmont or in the surrounding. I mean, I’m fine with building recreational services for people that live in, you know, the,
Unknown Speaker 1:20:34
the Lafayette lawn model was the kind of coalition you know, but I don’t want to build recreational areas for people in Kansas, that’s not our job. You know, they’re coming out for a baseball, I like, that’s great. And I like I like traveling with my kids and things too. But like, I don’t think that’s our priority is building things for people that are coming from Kansas and Chicago to come here. And I know they bring money, but I’m not like frankly, I’ve never been interested in that part of it. I know you like rehab to be but I’m not like
Unknown Speaker 1:21:12
that’s not we’re not here to make money we’re here to make and we’re yet to serve the recreation and open space.
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For our area. Sorry to hear, I would agree with that. But I do think there’s a push not only from within staff, but there’s a long mod has a big push of trying to get large events to come to Longmont and the more facilities that we could have available, the bigger events that we could end up drawing to our community and and then reaping the benefit of the sales tax.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:53
Tax. We all say as far as ball fields go, we don’t build them for tournaments, we build them for the kids in this area, which is
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tournaments are free.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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Are there any sort of projections of like soft numbers that you guys get that might tell us when money numbers go? If you do build it? Like what? Revenue? No, yeah. But like, how am I? No, no, not at what we’re not how we’re going to build it. But if it was built, if that’s going to help get you guys above that 78% or whatever it was? Sorry, it seems
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like is it always that’s just tertiary?
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There’s a number for example, if we build three modules, we could come up with an estimate of how many how many more potential tournaments, how much more until we could do that. And it’s, it’s in the 10s of 1000s of dollars.
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Yeah, that’s, that’s not pushed. I don’t want to say that’s a drop in the bucket. It’s not expects real.
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budging was great. Yeah.
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And a lot of time hasn’t been put into that, because the fields are so far down the road right now.
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This was a great conversation, meandered a little bit. That’s okay, because we’re all learning here and
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growing. And then but doesn’t give us any immediate action necessarily. Because I think, you know, jumping segue, he thought too, but I think Harold was pleased that we were doing when directed to do we’re spending money and we don’t have we’re not really asking for anything more. We have, you know, the ones in the eight, five already. But
Unknown Speaker 1:23:51
his big pushes, you know, don’t ask for more money if you haven’t completed what you already done. And you don’t think you have the capacity to do it? Right. So right now we have projects that are ongoing staff is fully engaged in those and the ones that are on the horizon. I think we do have the capacity to do those with
Unknown Speaker 1:24:10
the staff we have and if I’m if I’m doing my math, right, so the the ones that are in progress, now they’re designing, they’re like, construction through the spring 2025 24.55 Yes. Which means that we could start design for the next batch in Lakeland 2520 26. Right. And that’s the one we did talk about tonight has probably series, these 12 of the same brain.
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Got that trail
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Okay, well, we did move pretty quickly into the earlier part of the agenda. So we still we could stay on topic for a little longer if there are questions. We can sort of talk about CRP and and when we’re talking about
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the font of quickly so eight and then eight and five are our most significant CIP projects. As we’ve talked about, CIP, those are the big ones we also have to want to track of, and these are kind of in there, we did hire a position for that, and is the maintain what we have. And
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Elisa is the project managers on Stephanie’s team that really is doing the Kensington’s and the Roosevelts and the Tom system, make sure that we’re staying up on our renewables and maintenance of our projects as well. But
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a couple of CRP related questions, I guess,
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as I’ve tried to read through the CIP document, understand what it means and at the time of that, but
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I just grabbed a random sister’s view of the park is in the CIP listed as a funded project. It lists three to $20,000, this last year, CIP PDF, then $40,000, for 25 to build a bike skills park at SR going department. What does that actually mean? So that we never talk about that
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next year. So that way, I believe should be the plan that should be unfunded. Now, that was something that Steve because we’re doing work, yeah, we were doing earthwork. And we knew we had a need to me for that bike skills area is really awesome. The kids are building stuff along the creek. So we’re like, what can we do to fill that need? Can we just dump some dirt? Take stuff that is really mature and make something and whenever you do stuff, it is going to take permitting, and it’s going to take design, it’s going to take staff and it’s going to take work. So we really kind of have kind of goes back to Harold’s? Do you have staff to do it? And do you have dollars to do it? So that example, which should be you guys will be updating both the text description. Yes, I’m doing time one. Yep. Engineering status as part of this year CIP process, you got to look through all the all the Papiro projects, and say where we are with these? What’s kind of shifted around, right, what’s there, and that’s how I’m looking at it. Because my first got here, I really wasn’t sure how it was related to who’s doing what this should be a little initial person who wrecked projects, it says like, okay, yeah. Now I know in my for that, that’s pure. Oh, 206 resistors. There’s an example of Carolyn, this is we’re just understanding like, Eve SS for income on CIP
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are done knowing what you are looking for from us. Because I don’t understand how the funding in the CIP document works. Where it lists a bunch of years as much of dollars is funded and funded. It’s quite dense. And it comes from different funding sources. And that’s a part of, again, going back to when you say what are we looking for from you, as we’re working through this and get to that place to get it to Council, a lot of those decisions that I’m looking at for 25.5, or they’ve made and as we talked about, like, at least well, and then I need to see that. So there’s these projects are continually going forward. And that’s the hard part to say when we’re when we’re going to be
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prioritizing what we know is coming up and then
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helping us look at that further piece out. Because again, if we use it is done in 25, we will be having that needed as we get back going back to SAP things like what was funded, what are our gaps? How can we pull things forward?
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Maybe this comment tonight, we can do it and
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maybe a better way for us to
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do better way for us to get feedback would be to say, here’s all of the CIP projects funded person under unfunded as proud knowing these as described in the in their what, how would you rank those in terms of interests? Because you guys are then going to reset, reassess? What’s of most interest to you guys? Because you’re saying, well, for example, sisters, we’re gonna take that funding and move it somewhere else probably is not important. If we could look at all these together and give that feedback that’s useful. We could do that. Okay. But otherwise, I don’t have help on the CIP process. Because it’s so complicated for you guys already.
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I appreciate every
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one of those hours, but feels like we don’t know how to help. Yes, yeah. And I think that’s a great way of putting it because for years now, this has been the challenge because it’s such a complex process with so many different pots of money.
Unknown Speaker 1:29:26
It’s hard to really get a feel of what what you all want, other than us continuing to have the what are the next three to
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five projects, that would be your priority, which maybe helps Council make their decisions down the road to
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a degree.
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I can’t wait to hear as counsel. I want to hear from you guys what you think. You know, you got into this because you’re really engaged and you want
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To to have a say in it. And this is kind of your passion. And as it being your passion I’d prefer, you know, I’m not into building big facilities to bring in folks, as you were saying they’re from Kansas, I just know that those weak facilities from Kansas that is big facilities sometimes pay for the things that we really value and want. And in this more localized, you know, pocket parks and things like that, that people actually use every day, especially community, you know, neighborhoods, and that’s, that’s what’s more important to me. You know, I grew up just that old town. And Thompson Park was used for everything from football games that
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to baseball games, we never had had anything lined up and with thing, like, it was just, you know, this stuff. We’re here in that tree there. And that’s the important part. So that’s my stance on all that is less is more in a lot of ways. Like,
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let the kids build
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their bike skills Park. Like,
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it’s fine, right? Like,
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what, like, we don’t need to build so much stuff. You can use what we already have. But I do think like the pocket park, I’m just to say that you look, do you live in a trailer in there, there’s no kid with any place to play. There’s no place to play the only playground in that area. There’s a small playground in countryside village. There’s a very small, Jakey playground. And there’s a very small playground at Casa de la esperanza, that if you’re a part of that community, or friends with somebody in that community, you can play it. And that’s it for those kids, until you go over to play on they don’t have access to the quail because they don’t have parallel supervision. So that to me, community park, I don’t think there should be a community park there, it’s too close to sandstone, it’s too close to create a quail. I don’t think we need a community park, I think we need a neighborhood park they’re digging less is more just places that are okay for kids to play. And they can have places where occasionally they get a scraped knee or whatever you don’t have to like, you know, it can be stumps, it just needs to be a place with a bathroom, it’s not exploding, and people to check on and pay make sure that there’s not trash in there. And it’s clean, and it’s respectful of the community. And I think with a lot of our parks, we don’t have to make them like, you don’t have to make a cooler pavilion at the museum, our museum for a long time not to make a cooler peut pavilion at the museum necessarily you know what I mean? You don’t always have to keep making things the best and the brightest. But we do need things to be nice and lessons more like those stumps that you played on, Shawn, those are great. But we don’t have any stumps at Thompson Park anymore? No, no, I did. Yeah, I’m just getting cut down.
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Okay.
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Awesome. But you know, like, like having those areas for like, you know, people with small yards and things like that if we’re advocating for denser cities, which is a mobile home, saying it’s a dense city kind of thing. We’re advocating for denser cities, then we got to put that we’ve got a place for people to be
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an access nature. I
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prefer to hear you guys. And then and you’re reaching out to people as members in the community. They’re convenient, same thing. That’s the direction we should
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guarantee.
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Any results outside of 85.
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We’re looking back.
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Actually, I think we asked last year that we have time to talk about CIP before he goes to the system.
Unknown Speaker 1:34:03
Now, I think we should actually decouple that and talk about this after your CIP. It sounds like you’ve updated all these projects that you will go through and review with the funding. And then maybe in the summertime, after the whole process is done, we could better help you give you that feedback about prioritization and adjustments to those for the fall for the following year. So that process makes a lot of sense.
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There’s
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intuitively it seems like oh, we’re it’s too late. Yeah, but actually, you just put your hands okay. No, we’re actually quite early.
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Okay, I like that.
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Stephanie, I’m sorry, just to please, that being late you’re right. Because we we started these conversations and
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October, November, December really is when we start doing colleges are the same way when I first got here, so like artists are just going to open up by mistake, you can’t start this conversation with budget opens up, it really has to be. And that was a goal. We can’t do anything else the budgets open. It’s like, let’s just make spreadsheets and then we’ll have these conversations and we put it into budget. So it really has been for all of us just keep pushing back. So we really have good conversations. That’s really good.
Unknown Speaker 1:35:25
But on the calendar does that the
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momentum in March?
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Does that the what the CIP system opens on March
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are tomorrow so where we can work in spreadsheets, we have conversate all this stuff we have the budget system as a budget doesn’t even open it was like well, we can’t do this because budgets not okay, we should be ready to put stuff into the system on budget opens up because you can in 30 days start developing numbers. We have some idea he says really
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we this spreadsheet and this is a cut and paste into
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several hours interested in our hammered.
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Thomas that any last thoughts on this topic? meant?
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Okay.
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Any other closing thoughts on this? I appreciate the input. I think having this conversation as we move into the summer months we get ready for upcoming year I think they will have no idea where budgets out and I appreciate you saying this would you like to hear so that’s what I want to hear.
Unknown Speaker 1:36:36
I have direct right now to do a five but it really this this group is saying we’d rather see see six and by are we gonna see five and five and think about doing a venue area. I think that’s what Council really wants to hear that I think our first budget was, we have a lot of undeveloped cars, we have a lot of money to spend those dollars to get some stuff out there. And I think taking some time and re evaluating now that we’ve checked some boxes of boxes that he’s what counseling Harold, we would like to hear rather than just plugging through to these guys how to I love checking boxes, if I can get a five don’t say we did that, Greg, I’d rather do what the community wants it and know by far, it’s a good time to reassess. It’s how did those projects get into me? Or big projects didn’t make it into equal time? Because they were? We’re seeing grade 13 Sorry, going. So.
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Great. Awesome.
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Okay, then I guess we’ll move on from here. Closing closing closing parts. Okay. So moving on to items from the packet. How many raise something?
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Yes. So, so how big was the differential from bids in versus expected budget?
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I was gonna see Steve here so I don’t know how to answer this. I know that was that was like a million and a half over what we had expected. Okay, so
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we basically when we bought some other ways, it takes a village of people look either projects, different funding sources, I didn’t really find ways to do this, but it was it was like beginner’s luck and it was taken out Pickleball is taking the dog areas of his taking out I was taking out so much stuff is like we can’t do this this community we have to provide something that is there. So I think we found ways to phase it and use some some savings and other areas.
Unknown Speaker 1:38:46
I say that, again, we have less of a problem with as you had dollar senior partying done, you know, they had a master plan does Doug Daniels in the heritage? Well, that CRP basically adds a little flavor every year, we get some of these years every player doesn’t even mean anything anymore. Those Those numbers are so astronomical so many years, you’re off by, you know, factors of 10 that really no one has thought about so
Unknown Speaker 1:39:16
to run your budget, or simply take out the dog park and the pickleball it was we saw right there. You were Yeah, it was I I mean once again, it’s a neighborhood park right is that sir Pickleball is not like frisbee golf doesn’t set you know, sort of that
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dog park doesn’t serve
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that area. You know, maybe the problem is we’re not talking about like nothing in these boxes of 250 desk.
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So
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is it
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standing? Is there a single thing we can put
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the BC
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C’s policy is that we use law water for parks that well water
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requires us to create a ha ha
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As tax evasion costs so we’re gonna go with it the dirt is gonna be used for the bike park so that was one things that can we put it on domestic water until we get to we phase in that because we don’t do that that full size pond to the community park comes on and innovation centers expanding their pipes so so that pot is gonna be paid for by the Innovation Center at the school district with their new I think it’s a Montessori school is going to be over there in the community park so that this whole neighborhood park was taken the full cost of that pod
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that was one of the things we really looked at the pond is one of
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our guests also that there’s a pretty significant baseline cost of just getting a contractor on site setting up and that’s a big part of it and so then we look at little pieces here and there they don’t save you on that baseline right which is an argument to do all at once comfortable I was saying earlier there’s a mobilization to ask yourself and your redesign
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if you future meeting is going to update or budget like that for a party that understands in those days
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as it sounds like a study of sorts. Yeah, the mobilizations and make peace
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other items in the packet to go performance
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was Isaac Walton reached to award it or not it says both in the packet
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was awarded what’s happened with the Isaac Walton Beach to the Army Corps projects it says it was awarded and it says it will be awarded and ultimately for now I know it wasn’t
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cool
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doing it
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was forgetting yell I didn’t realize this idea of open space tour from last year that’s a great idea. If you’re able to make it happen I’d love to come out here
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are putting out you know trying to figure out what trying to figure out counsels schedules
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those
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parents
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okay.
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Okay, then I think we’re keen to move on to items from staff
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No, I don’t think I’ve mentioned is Council we’ll be talking about the Fourth of July event tomorrow and we have staff hope we get some direction from Council on how to move forward. I do
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have a question on that. So when I go to
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tell what I think
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I because I I sent out an email that I ended up being like oh, you can’t do that because that means people are being like and I have no idea I don’t know the protocol. Like if I stand up and say something you know, and I’m just like
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Am I allowed to mention that I am not representing Parks Board but I’m on the Parks Board so I’ve been thinking about this for a while so that they know that it’s not just somebody who just like her Got it 15 minutes ago and stopped in for the free bottle of water. I think it’s important that if you mentioned that you’re not their representative unless you are what’s your take and that’s your Yeah, which we were not able to have is that notion broke last meetings
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sorry, I didn’t know I was gonna say you
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can if this group votes and says you’re speaking on behalf of them but I think letting Council know you spend your time thinking about using the volunteer as a proud member of the University is what we’re allowed to do.
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Okay, sorry.
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Do you think
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that’s all I have
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Okay, I think I’ll be want is your design for Sainte Marie Khloe?
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I’m good. Thank you.
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Items from the board that are not backing up dates.
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Oh no. It means you have to adjourn but I love being here.
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Is there a motion to adjourn? move to adjourn. Second.
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All those in favor
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