Transportation Advisory Board Meeting – August 2023
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It is six o’clock. This is Vice Chair Diane Crist and I’m sitting in for chair person laner and I am calling the transportation advisory board for August 14 2023. To order.
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Council Representative Yarborough.
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Diana, okay, go ahead.
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Vice Chair Crist.
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Present. Board Member Bennett, present. BOARD MEMBER wigglin.
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President, board member McInerney, resident board member Mickey burrows.
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Do I hear a motion regarding the minutes from last meeting? The July meeting minutes? Does anybody have any corrections or
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Yes, on page four of the minutes,
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the Vision Zero stakeholders and partners list it’s much shorter than the list that was in the handout that was given to the board members at the meeting. Now, I can’t recall if the longer list was actually presented at the meeting. And I’m going to ask a staff and board members to
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search their memories helped me out with that. So my point is that if the longer list was presented, it should show up in the minutes. Thank you.
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Board Member McEnery we’ll add that to the to the to them minutes
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okay, yeah, we, I think the one we did give has more of the stakeholders and partners kind of a longer
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Also in the same part of the minutes
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I’m gonna I’m gonna read a
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sentence I guess it’s the sentence a quote it will be embedded in the action plan will involve changing policy and quote, I don’t quite understand that and I wonder if there’s a missing word in that sentence.
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Can you call it up? Or shall I read it again?
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Many have not. 1990 Okay, great. Thank you
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as we listen to the recording
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that needs to go
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Okay, thanks. That’s it for me meeting that.
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Any other comments?
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Okay, do I have a motion to approve the minutes
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Yeah, I moved to approve the minutes from last July
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Okay, so moved in second. They are approved a wait, we need to vote.
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Can everyone vote to approve the minutes
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Okay, next item is communications from staff.
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Good evening, Vice Chairman. My name is Phil Greenwald, transportation planning manager with the city of Longmont. We’ve got a number of items. We started with three and now we’ve up to about nine. So I guess there’s a lot of things going on these days in the city. So I just wanted to remind everybody of our seventh annual sustainable transportation summit on August 30, from eight to noon.
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A number of you have signed up, which is great. So thank you very much. But if anybody else wants to sign up, please let me know. And just email me at my email address, and we’ll get you signed up, if you’d like to still attend that.
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We also have,
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there’s Dr. cog Denver, Regional Council of Governments puts together a civic Academy every year. And if you’d like to be part of that, they’re taking applications through August 25. It’s basically a seven, seven week course, starting September 12. It’s in person at Dr. cog every Tuesday, from six to 9pm. So you’d have to go down to Denver to make that work. But it is a great course if you’re involved. Or if you want to get further involved with
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government, city government or regional government and start to understand more of what’s happening in the processes with funding and all those good things.
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So I wanted to let you know about that. And then also, kind of the biggest thing that’s been kind of bantered about in the emails over the last couple of weeks has been the Vision Zero timeline. So we want to be clear about what we’re trying to do. From staff point of view, we are trying to hire a Vision Zero coordinator in the next two to three months. So we should have that done in the next two to three months, and get that completed. Once that person starts, we will work in earnest to get to establish that task force and have that person help us because we really think this person has to be part of that effort, we can’t start it and then somebody come on later, and try to catch them up. So we want them to be part of that effort as well. And then we’ll start applying for the action
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plan grants that are out there. So there’s a lot of planning dollars available to do those action grants or action plans. And so just want to let you know that that’s kind of our step in the process, we’ll need the task force to determine how the action plan actually moves forward. So we need to make sure that’s established for so that’ll all be happening in the next quarter. Basically, it’s when we hire and then get that person established and start that taskforce, and get people from this advisory board, as well as others to be on that task force. So hopefully, that makes some sense, I think the perception has been that
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the city is finally starting to think about zero fatality goals. But the reality is,
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before I started here, I mean, you know, more than more, you know, it’s been engineering, engineering and transportation planning its goal to not have anybody die on our roads, obviously, since the beginning of, you know, cars on roads, basically, for the city. So, we just want to make sure that you don’t think that this is like, we’re just starting this process. And this is a new effort, this is something that
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the staff has been concerned about, since we’ve all started in. So just to give you a heads up, Vision Zero is just something we’re gonna keep, we’re going to make better and better and better so. And we’ll need the citizens of Longmont to help us with that.
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The other reality is that the city is actually creating a center of excellence around Vision Zero. So it’s a new top down structure, basically starts at the city manager’s office. And we’re going to that it’s so critical to the city right now that this is it’s at that level that we’re building a center, we, the team, we’re building different teams to kind of put together this center of excellence and making sure that everybody knows throughout the structure of the city of what’s going on with Vision Zero. So those are the things we’re trying to work on now. And I can answer, we can answer more questions. If you’d like to know more about that. We can certainly answer more questions about that. But I wanted to just let you know that it is a
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you know, this, the city manager’s office is very heavily involved in this process. And so it’s not just one department or one unit of the city. It’s it’s citywide at this point.
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Any questions on that before we move on? Because I know that’s a big one.
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And you can always ask during your items from board members to have other things come up.
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Phil, will task will the task force process involve a consultant or with the consultant only come on afterwards to prepare the plant itself?
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That’s a great question. We’re not sure at this point where we’re going to involve a consultant or if we need to involve a consultants. Jim has more on that.
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I’ll echo Phil’s answer in that we’re not sure yet. Although we did budget money for a consultant for next year, and the 2024 budget. So kind of covering our bases on that one. But we we originally anticipated that we would use one and we changed our minds now we’re we’re sort of still up in the air. But but if we if we decide that and that could be part of what the taskforce kind of decides early on, we’ll, we’ll be ready.
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I also think it’ll, it’ll depend on who we hire
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If that person has really a high level Vision Zero coordinator and has a lot of that experience, we may be able to use that experience to help put together the action plan in house as it were.
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Oh, go ahead.
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I was just gonna ask. So yeah, we had the plan from last month. And so I think a few of us went through it and made some comments and suggestions. And I was just wondering when the best time is to do that in a public way so that maybe we can have a discussion with the board and kind of bring together all of our ideas at one time.
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Yeah, board member burrows, I think the original idea was we were going to just solicit your responses back individually and put it into the action plan, outline at staff level, and then bring it back to you with those additions. If you’d like to do something more public than that.
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I think that’s up to the board.
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Would you like to make a motion? Councilmember burrows
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to discuss. Yes, please.
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I will make a motion to open a discussion about the Vision Zero plan.
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We hear a second.
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I’ll second that motion.
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Just for clarification, is that for a future board meeting or is that for this one? For right now? Okay. If we could discuss
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councilmember burrows if you’d like to start the discussion.
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Oh, I’m sorry.
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Thank you board member Wiklund. Okay, if the board could vote to approve the motion on the floor to discuss vision and zero input.
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All in favor?
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We need two thirds. So I think we haven’t.
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Yeah, three fifths was good.
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We need for for
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can counsel woman Yarbrough vote Awesome.
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So the motion does not pass. And we will
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table that discussion.
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And continue on with our
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agenda for today. We’ll just keep going with communications from staff. I’m sorry, I’ve got a few more. Sounds good. Go ahead. Just want to let you know that though.
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retangular. That’s what I’m saying rectangular Rapid flashing beacons. For the three blocks along Main Street for the mid block crossings are going to be installed before the end of summer.
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So if you’d like any more information about that Kyle is here to answer any of those questions. Any questions about the RFPs rectangular rapid flashing beacon?
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Great. So I look forward to those those are gonna be exciting.
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Also, school is starting so we’re gonna, we’ll you’ll see increased enforcement activities around those school zones in the coming weeks as school gets going. So look, look forward to that. And also, we put out some education materials as well to let people know, you know, watch out for little ones walking and biking and taking buses and those kinds of things as we get into the new school year, so just want to let you know that was happening. We’ve got a quick slide for you about the 17th annual 17th Avenue missing sidewalk section that we’re working on right now and I’ve got Tom Street to help us talk a little bit about that. Let me get that up for you.
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As Phil mentioned, my name is Tom street with the Public Works and engineering department. Our 17th Avenue sidewalk reconstruction project is currently in progress. Construction started approximately three weeks ago. The limits of the project is along the north side of 17th Avenue from cook cord going east to approximately and Lincoln Street. This is in a replay
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spent project. The existing sidewalk is an asphalt sidewalk that has been in place for many decades. It’s deteriorated and is distressed, it’s in very bad shape. And we’re in the process of replacing that with a much wider concrete sidewalk.
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design on this process took some time, there were about 18 different parcels where we needed easements and right away from so just the right away acquisition process took 1820 months. But, you know, as I mentioned, we have finished all the design right away, project went out to bid during the second quarter of this year, we open bids, we actually got a fairly competitive bid from our low bidder. Our low bidder is a company called stone and concrete.
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Total cost of the project came in at $820,000. And we expect that most of the civil most of the heart improvements will be constructed this year. We anticipate that we’ll probably need to come back next spring and finish up all of the irrigation and landscaping work.
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Any questions for Tom?
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We’re excited about this project finally getting underway, and hopefully done.
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And then I’m going to turn it over to Jim for some Boston Avenue Bridge and spring Gulch news.
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So continuing with the topic of ongoing CIP projects,
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we were issuing a press release earlier today on the Boston Avenue Bridge project construction. That’s the $12.5 million
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bridge project between price road and sunset street on Boston, just west of left hand brewery.
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Part of the one of the components of the RSVP project, we had a bidding earlier in the year, selected a contractor and that contractor is starting this week. So you’ll start to see activity down there. A current plan is that the road is to remain open, they’ll build the bridge half at a time.
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And then there will be some selected closures during the course of construction mostly simply to stage materials. But traffic will remain open for the course of the construction. The other project we have that is will be coming up soon is the spring Gulch number two, phase three extending from existing trailer unit reservoir down to 119. With a underpass under the Great Western Railroad.
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That project was bid out we have selected a contractor and that they are working through their contract items. But we anticipate hoping to see construction started this year, probably when likely within the next two months.
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That is it from staff for now.
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All right, thank you staff.
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We’re moving on to number seven action items.
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Can council member burrows just cost question about the Boston Avenue work. What’s the plan for the bike path in that section?
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Tom, you will
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do you aware what the the bike path under the okay the bike path under
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under the bridge is has been closed for the number of months there is an established detour. And that detour will continue to be in effect until such time as they open it up. Bear in mind also that within the next few months, the next phase of RSVP will be
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be undertaken by the Army Corps of Engineers they have finished their design they are bidding the project out. And that extends up to just a little beyond sunset, there will be an additional closure. Right now. It’s kind of like open through there although it is fenced off. That part of the trail will be closed and there will be a revised detour
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because it’s not the best detail.
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Understand we’ve heard we’ve heard some a lot of criticism about it.
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But it is the best feature we have staff has worked on it. There’s not a lot of options in that area. Yeah, if it’s just a little that the railway tracks for example, pretty gnarly to cross over on a bike because it’s braised aerated.
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And then the
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gravel path that goes that connects to sunset is not well maintained. It’s really overgrown with weeds now and
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In the winter, it’s not maintained at all. So just because because I know this is a long term project, it will be maybe some more work done on those two. Great.
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Board Member Wiklund.
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Jim, just to continue on the Boston communication
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in the interim, until probably a more you know, easier practical detour can be made. Will bikes be welcome on the road for like, he’s I’m assuming it’ll be stopped go traffic a little bit? Or is it going to be a very narrow two way or something like that? You mean on Boston? Yeah.
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I am not exactly sure what the existing what the plan is going to be for for bike and peds on the bridge, no less of the Bridge Road gets narrower. So shoulder wise, doesn’t quite work. But
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well feels let me know that bikes will not be restricted to be allowed on the on the bridge, interim, you know, people have a way. And I assume with all construction traffic will be gone pretty slow. We anticipate that it will be. We usually in some cases, we do lower the speed limit in the construction zones. We can look into that. Thank you.
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Board Member McEnery. Regarding that same construction zone, will it be signed?
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To indicate that bicyclists can use the full Lane in order to avoid conflicts?
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We can certainly look into how we how we sign that as a chair, the road kind of feature. Make sure that’s understood that bicyclists will probably need to take a full lane for that stretch.
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I think we’re ready to move on to action items.
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Section A appointing one tab member to the TMP consultants election team. Oh, go ahead.
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Oh, did I miss that?
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Oh, that was after communications from staff. Sorry.
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So do we have any public invited to be heard? We’re on number five.
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I don’t think we have any public in the audience. But we did want to point this point you to the email that was sent out earlier or was
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this there was an email sent out by Scott Conlon and he is asking about
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different things associated with the possible rec center and library with a with a tax coming up tax request coming up.
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And so he did indicate that that was supposed to go to the TA B. And he did indicate that he could not be here because he is a member on the Parks and Recreation advisory board. So he could not be here. So we assumed that he wanted to make that statement. So we wanted to put that in front of your
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in front of you tonight as this email. But that’s all we had from public. Okay.
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Has everyone had a chance to read it?
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Any discussion or concern? Comments?
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All right. Well, I have a question of Phil is, how would you like us to respond to this? It seems like Mr. Collins asking for our input
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on Vice Chair, Chris, I think,
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Oh, let us know if you have any input. But I think it’s just him making a comment and asking staff for some information, mostly. So if those requests have to be in there.
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I don’t have it.
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I didn’t put my copy out. But if there is a direct request, we’ll certainly can ask you that through maybe email channels or something like that. But I think at this point, I’m assuming I’m taking it as just his comment, as if he was a public invited to be heard. And we don’t respond back to that, as mentioned earlier. Yeah, he finishes with if there’s anything you can share on early studies or reviews, it would be really helpful if you could share it. If this could be shared. I would just say our comment back from staff, as staff was we don’t have enough information yet on what’s all incorporated into this into this proposal yet. And so we can’t make evaluations on how much traffic is generated until we have a better understanding of what’s actually gonna go into that site, where it’s going to be located and those kind of things. We think that there’s a lot of things out there associated with the existing schools, like roundabouts.
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also neck downs and for ease of crossing. So there’s a lot of things going on out there right now that are already in place. And we would look at how this proposal if it’s passed by the voters comes forward and what it looks like in the future. So there’s a lot of steps before we do further evaluation on this project. Okay. Thank you.
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All right. So we’re on number six informational items. So did you have additional ones? We do not have any informational items at this time? Thank you. Okay, great. So now on to number seven action items a appointing one tab member to the TMP consultant selection team.
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Tonight staff is requesting that you appoint a member, one member from the transportation Advisory Board, unfortunately, have two members mess up missing tonight. But we were asking for your support to appoint one member of the board to work on our transportation mobility plan, consultant selection team. So that’s the request before you tonight as
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somebody please volunteer and then with the board.
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We’re asking the Board to take action and and formalize that.
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Well, at least we would like to have one person move forward as the member of that selection committee.
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Okay, I’ll throw my hat into that ring. I have helped to prepare dozens of proposals that involve transportation projects,
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and transportation scopes of work in my career with consulting firms. And I’ve also taken part in many interviews for a transportation project. So I think I might have something to add there. My one concern is that I would not be available on Friday, September 29. If that was an interview day.
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At this point, we don’t know exact, but I did put in the communication approximates right. As far as time goes. Yes.
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And I move we elect
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board member McInerney to DNP.
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okay, the motion is to
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elect board member McInerney to be our tam representative to the TMP consultants selection team.
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Can I have a vote please? All in favor, say aye.
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Okay. Motions carried. McInerney you’re in.
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Alright, let’s move on to action item be proposed 2020 for capital improvement program recommended projects.
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Vice Chair Chryst. Board members, council liaison Yarborough. My name is Tom Street. Tonight. I’m here with Alden Jenkins. And we’re here to present many of our transportation related projects in our upcoming 2024 to 2028 CIP capital improvement program. Also tonight, we have several other staff members so we should be in good position to answer any questions you may have. And wanted to mention that if you do have questions, feel free to jump into the discussion at any time.
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As far as the format for tonight’s presentation, as I mentioned, we’re going to present many of our transportation projects. But at the end of tonight’s presentation, we’re going to be asking ta B for a recommendation and there’s going to be two different options. The first option would be recommendation of the CIP as presented by staff. The second option would be recommendation of the CIP as presented by staff, but with revisions recommended by the DAV.
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I’m going to go into just a little bit of background information on our CIP or capital improvement program. Our CIP first and foremost is a planning document it identifies the five year infrastructure needs throughout the city.
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A project within our capital improvement program can be can really fall into three different categories. It may be a brand new project, it may be a replacement of existing infrastructure or may it may be modification to an existing facility.
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Our CIP identifies met none
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Net needs in that our projects are grouped as funded, partially funded and unfunded into CIP. And our CIP is a dynamic document. It changes each year in response to changing priorities and funding levels. And one item to note is that even though our CIP is a five year planning document, when City Council reviews all of our CIP projects to September, and they move forward with approvals of the budgets in October, only the expenditure for 2024 would be approved at that time. So even though it’s a five year planning document, expenditures are only approved one year at a time.
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Just after we use a variety of information to help determine which projects go into our CIP, at the highest level is our Envision Longmont document. It’s our comprehensive and multimodal plan. And the overarching goal of this plan is to develop a complete connected and balanced transportation system throughout Longmont staff also uses a variety of other master plans and studies to determine which projects go into our CIP staff may be they may use our storm drainage master plan our parks, rec and trails master plan, long way long roadway plan etc. So a lot of guiding documents are used by staff to determine which projects go into the CIP staff also uses various asset management plans to guide which projects go into our rehabilitation program. We’ll also use bridge inspection reports that we received from the state every two years. These reports will help guide which bridges need repair which bridges need to be replaced. And of course, you know, funding is always a consideration in selecting projects.
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in Longmont, we have two dedicated funding sources for transportation. The most critical is our three quarter cent street fund sales and use tax. This is a tax that was initiated in 1986. It was originally set up to maintain and improve our street system within Longmont. Since that time, it had been extended six times until 2019 and 2019, this tax was permanently extended.
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The second funding source we have in Longmont for transportation as our transportation Community Investment fee or TCF. This is a a fee that has restricted uses.
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For our municipal code, it can only be used on arterial Street and intersection improvements. This fee is levied on new construction and these fees that are collected at the time when building permits are issued. But again when it comes to funding transportation in Longmont, our street fund sales and use tax is by far the most important the most critical revenue that we have.
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In our upcoming CIP from 2024 to 2028. We have many different types of projects. We have bridge projects, asset management projects, we have multimodal alternative mode project safety projects. But our focus for tonight is going to be on projects that have a funding request for 2020. For all of the projects that you see on the slide up on this slide are projects that will be presented tonight.
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The information on this slide was included in the TA be communication.
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It shows a couple of different things. It shows the proposed funding the funding that is being requested by staff in 2024. funding coming from the street fund is coming in at just over 15 point 6 million funding been requested from TCI F is coming in at just 400,000. So the the total staff request for funding from these two sources in 2024 is just over $16 million.
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first project we want to talk about is tarp 001 As it’s identified in the city CIP, this is our asphalt pavement management program. This program on a yearly basis will have 567 different projects.
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This is a program where we hire contractors heavy highway civil contractors to perform all of the work. Projects may range from
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pavement rehabilitation concrete repair to pavement preservation projects such as crack sealing and Chip sealing.
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The goals for this program we have listed some of the high level goals for this program we have listed in the lower right corner of the slide. And one of the chief concerns that staff is
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is that we are always trying to design, construct and maintain all of our transportation improvements in a fashion that we end up with the lowest possible lifecycle cost for that infrastructure. We like to make data driven decisions. We use our pavement management software and related tools to determine which projects go into these rehabilitation projects. And equally important to us is our effort to build credibility as good stewards for use of our limited public funding.
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Asset Management truly is a core responsibility for our staff, we have over 357 centerline miles of roadways in the city. And the lion’s share of maintenance and rehabilitation completed throughout Longmont is completed within this program
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are now next project is TRP 011, our transportation system management program or simply TSM. Again, this is another program that on a yearly basis will design and construct several projects. Projects may range from ADA improvements to neighborhood traffic mitigation projects to safety projects to alternative modes again, a lot of different projects are designed and constructed within this program on a yearly basis. Tonight, we wanted to mention four efforts that we’ll see a focus on in 2024 first projects I wanted to mention are two projects on County Line Road. Our first project on County Line Road will widen County Line Road from 17th Avenue up to Colorado 66. The widening of this roadway will accommodate buffered on street bike lanes.
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Also included in the scope of this project is pavement rehabilitation and various drainage improvements. This project is currently under design we expect in 2024 that will finish the design effort will acquire all needed right away and easements for the project. And this project is slated to start construction in 2025. Also wanted to mention that we have received outside funding we’ve received just over $3 million in grant funding for this project. So
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Phil has done a great job as far as bringing in that state and federal funding for this project.
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Our second project on County Line Road is a segment from his Layton drive to the st Vrain Creek.
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This project is very similar to the segment to the north. We’re going to widen County Line Road to accommodate on street bike lanes, pavement rehabilitation, drainage improvements. What’s different on this project is it’s a joint project with Boulder County. Boulder County is the lead agency on this project. This project was originally set to go to advertisement for construction services during May of this year, but the schedule has been delayed. The revised schedule shows that the county will take this project to advertisement for construction services during November of this year. If we go to add in November, a most likely start date for construction would be early spring of next year. Again, this is a joint project with the county. This city’s expenditures are capped at 475,000. And the last cost estimate for this project was coming in at about one point 1,000,003rd project we one dimension is our Sunset Street and state highway 119. Improvement Project is project has two distinct components. First component is a road diet on Sunset Street from Kansas Avenue north to Nelson road. The second component of this project would be intersection improvements on Sunset Street at State Highway 119. This project is in the process of designing dedicated right turn lanes dedicated left turn lanes for both approaches on Sunset Street. The project also includes various ped and bike improvements.
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The good news on this project is that it had also received outside funding we have $1.5 million coming in for the construction of this project. This project is well into its design process. We’ve encountered a couple of design challenging design issues, but we believe we’re going to wrap up the design early in 2024 and we believe construction could start in the second quarter of next year.
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And last effort I want to mention is our vision zero effort. We do have funding included in our 2020 for TSM program to kick off this city wide set
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With that, I’ll be turning it over to Alden.
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Good evening, Vice Chair Chris Dav members, if you could hold on just a minute. We have a few questions. Sure. Absolutely.
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Board Member Wicklund, thank you, Tom.
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Back on the sunset Street, could you just define what a road diet is?
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Just so everyone knows, and you know, anyone watching on YouTube knows, the road diet is really an extension of an effort that we started several years ago on Sunset Street. Essentially, you have a four lane roadway, two lanes each direction, no center left turn lane. And our first effort, as I mentioned, was several years ago, and it converted those four travel lanes to a one travel lane each direction segment with a center left turn lane, and on street bike lanes that that effort on Sunset that initially after it was completed from pike road up to Kansas Avenue. And our next effort will extend from Kansas avenue to Nelson road. And again, it will take the four travel lanes, convert them to really three travel lanes with on street bike lanes.
Unknown Speaker 41:23
And then I guess my general question is, and I know, you know, hopefully with the task force, we’ll be looking at street design standards as well, but is a center turn lane,
Unknown Speaker 41:36
you know, justified for also other uses. So meaning, you know, where maybe the center turn lane is 10 to 12 feet wide, where that space could be used for other uses, or a greater buffer for a bike lane, etc. So I’m just trying to understand, you know, how, how we can, you know, look at street design standards in the future.
Unknown Speaker 42:00
I think there’s certainly opportunity depending on the particular location in Longmont to to have those consideration on on segments. But looking at sunset street itself, particularly that segment from Kansas avenue through the intersection with state highway 119. To Nelson road, we do have a number of access needs. And we really think that left turn lane will add really add a lot as far as safety to the to that corridor. Yeah, I agree. Less lanes help safety. I think too many access points limits safety as well. So it’s all the parking lots and etc. And I know that’s that’s way out of budget, but just as we think of the future,
Unknown Speaker 42:46
and maybe more as we prepare the city for the next 30 years. So yeah, just want to keep that in someone’s head. staff would wholeheartedly agree with you, as far as trying to limit access points as much as practicable. The challenge becomes most of these are pre existing. And, you know, trying to reduce limit the number, we do make the effort on most projects, but it’s a it’s a challenging conversation and business owners to deal with as well. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 43:24
So I’m just have a question about the you mentioned bike lane addition to that section. Is it going to be a buffered bike lane? Or will it just be just a narrow lane? And do you have idea about how wide it will be? And
Unknown Speaker 43:37
just more details? Great question, and I’m not sure if I’m gonna be able to add a lot of detail to your question is something that we could research and determine. I know it’s a it’s a it’s a bike lane that’ll meet our requirements. I believe we have a buffered bike lane on most of that segment, but I would have to verify
Unknown Speaker 43:59
Yeah, it’s not
Unknown Speaker 44:11
Mr. Street, I didn’t see a project sheet in our packet for the city wide safety plan. Did I miss something? And I also don’t see it on the CIP summary list.
Unknown Speaker 44:25
Are you referring to Vision Zero?
Unknown Speaker 44:36
I heard you mentioned the city wide safety plan. I those two things the same that that reference was made to
Unknown Speaker 44:45
equate to our Vision Zero plan. And is there a Vision Zero project with a project number on the CIA? It’s Yes, it’s part of TRP 011. It’s included in our TSM transportation system.
Unknown Speaker 45:00
management plan. Got it. So we have we have allocated or proposed funding within that program for Vision Zero. Great.
Unknown Speaker 45:17
Okay, well, thank you. Let’s continue on.
Unknown Speaker 45:21
All right. Good evening, Vice Chair Chris board members and council liaison Yarborough excuse me, Alden Jenkins, senior civil engineer working with Tom Street.
Unknown Speaker 45:31
The next project that we would like to talk about is TRP, zero 92. Austin Avenue connection. This is a second phase of what was a two part project with the first phase of the project being completed between Main Street and Martin Street. The second phase is going to be a relatively short connection, really at the intersection of what would be a future Boston Avenue and price road crossing the BNSF railroad tracks right adjacent to the project would provide a new East West connection that would be continuous from the west side of the city all the way to Martin Street. Improvements on this project would include connectivity for pedestrians, bikes and vehicular traffic, and then also would have a strong support component for bus rapid transit. Since it is going to be a new connection that would be the primary access route for RTD bus rapid transit project,
Unknown Speaker 46:29
eventually connecting to the future first and main station project, which we’ll talk about here a little bit later in the presentation.
Unknown Speaker 46:36
Since it is crossing the BNSF railroad tracks, this project does require approval by the Public Utilities Commission to PUC. Our application has been submitted to the BC PUC at this point, and so we’re just awaiting a judgment from the PUC at this point. Our design is currently at 30% completion. And we intend to keep it at our current design level until we hear back from the PUC and their judgment on whether or not they’ll actually grant the application for that crossing or not. So quite a bit hinges upon that bad decision from the PUC for this project. The funding request for 2024 does include lion’s share for construction cost as well as a little bit of design funding and right away acquisition funding for 2024. Again, with the right of way acquisition that would be contingent upon approval of the PUC application being granted before we’d actually pursue that.
Unknown Speaker 47:36
This project crossing the railroad tracks will be constructed as a quiet zone project, which does tie in well to our next project here. terapii Zero 90 For our railroad quiet zones. This is a project that addresses numerous locations throughout the city with existing crossings. The first package included for this project is at Third Avenue, long speak Avenue ninth and 17th avenues.
Unknown Speaker 48:05
For those that may have noticed that photo that I did provide is not a photo of Longmont quiet zone. And that is because we don’t have any quiet zones fully compliant that quiet zones in Longmont right now that is actually in Boulder County.
Unknown Speaker 48:19
But that’s the intent of this project is to construct quiet zones at all of our crossings throughout Longmont
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status for the project. This first package
Unknown Speaker 48:29
was submitted to the PUC for approval and was granted approval. And we are looking at potentially going to bid for this project here and the relative near future of this year with construction potentially starting late this year, or early next year. The second package is currently under design and the funding request for 2024 is addressing largely that second package and subsequent packages beyond that. So the funding that we have in there right now for first for the first packages is already been secured. So this is a continuation of crossings beyond what’s listed in that first package.
Unknown Speaker 49:11
Second project TRP zero 98. Yes. Hang on just a minute.
Unknown Speaker 49:19
Board Member Wicklund has a question?
Unknown Speaker 49:23
Oh, yeah, you have me. Oh, I’m sorry. I do. Board Member burrows as a question. Could you get back to that slide?
Unknown Speaker 49:32
So the way this, obviously, we didn’t have anything like this, as you mentioned right now, would date would we expect to see this type of like all the barriers here along the road, integrate zones in mama. It really is going to depend on the intersection at hand and the configuration that we have with the existing lanes. That’s one method to be able to channelize traffic and one particular way. By and large. I think we’re going to be using it
Unknown Speaker 50:00
Raised medians for that sort of protection.
Unknown Speaker 50:03
I don’t think we have any cases where we’re gonna be having this sort of scenario with these raised barriers. But if there is confined space at a particular intersection, it may be warranted. And as we continue to work through the design packages second package and beyond
Unknown Speaker 50:21
maybe something that would be warranted, but right now, I don’t think that’s the case. So the railroad would be raised up, my understanding that right, so that it would slow down the cost is that
Unknown Speaker 50:33
the crossing itself would stay at grade with where it’s at right now. Okay, so that the cars approaching there’ll be raised.
Unknown Speaker 50:43
It would be at the existing elevation of the roadway now it would not necessarily be raised.
Unknown Speaker 50:49
Okay, I guess I’m not. So
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remember, burrows, the
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focus on quiet zones will be the addition of gates and warning lights, for the most part, the idea being that
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the Federal Railroad administration’s rule, or in the early 2000s, for trains to be required to blow their horns at every crossing, they bloat about 95 decibels, which is rather loud.
Unknown Speaker 51:24
So to to institute a quiet zone, you do safety improvements, and in most cases, it’s going to be like a double set of gates. So cars cannot drive around in some of the areas where there’s pedestrian movements, there also might be gates for the pedestrians as well, the configurations of the road for the most part will stay the same. So if they’re in this case, this looks like my head, mostly like a rural crossing.
Unknown Speaker 51:50
But in most of our cases in the city, we’ll be adding as Alden indicated, some type of of median or curb work in the roadway to isolate the lanes where gates might be located. Each crossing is kind of different. So each one is is kind of a dip, is it. It’s a different design.
Unknown Speaker 52:10
One thing other other thing to add, in that the quiet zone project did receive a grant from the Federal Railroad Administration,
Unknown Speaker 52:18
which was about at the time $4 million, which was about half the project project. And we’ve seen some cost increases. We have chased another grant we were not successful with it, but
Unknown Speaker 52:28
it is moving forward.
Unknown Speaker 52:36
That you all didn’t go back to the Boston is there any status or hopefulness from PUC actually approve this?
Unknown Speaker 52:47
I know we talked about this last year as well. So sure, yeah, sure. Boardman, board member Wicklund,
Unknown Speaker 52:54
the BNSF has indicated informally, and now formally at this point that they do oppose the project.
Unknown Speaker 53:02
They have told us that they will, they will do what they can to fight against it. And so the city has submitted a pre testimony for that project, as opposed to actually going in front of the administrative law judge and, and arguing your case at that point. So that should help at least in terms of timeline, help us
Unknown Speaker 53:22
hopefully, move more quickly. But in terms of actually granting the application? Beyond my knowledge, I’m not aware of anything that’s been indicated.
Unknown Speaker 53:33
About four months, I guess, is our is our timeline. But in terms of approval of the actual application? I don’t think there’s been anything that’s been submitted at this point, is that that crossing hangs on on on a lot of future planning.
Unknown Speaker 53:44
Certainly does. And then for the quiet zones.
Unknown Speaker 53:49
One thing is the crossing arms and lights what I’m assuming they’re still like little bells for visually impaired members of the public. I believe that way side horns or bells are used for for that case. And then any reason for the jumping around.
Unknown Speaker 54:10
As you know, it’s third long speak length of whatever and then then it goes for 6/21. Or, you know, was there a reason of not just going south to north or north south
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originally, when when when first directed by city council, it was directed to start from basically in the downtown area, the old old neighborhood area by third and moved north. Unfortunately, as we as the FRA got involved,
Unknown Speaker 54:45
and working with BNSF. These
Unknown Speaker 54:50
seem to be the first sets of intersections that came out of those negotiations with the FRA agreement. They were pushing these for some strange reason which
Unknown Speaker 55:00
was unknown. We still don’t figure out rhyme or reason. The next year, I think we’re seeing fourth, and then six than continuing in 2025, we will be continuing or 2024 Excuse me, I think we hit
Unknown Speaker 55:14
fourth and then six than then continue to move north. So
Unknown Speaker 55:19
it was it was just an odd kind of occurrences of how fra directed us in the agreement. I thought it was odd to Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 55:28
And then I guess final question is, because it was mentioned, there’s so many crossings in the historic East Side.
Unknown Speaker 55:36
Was there ever kind of conversation did maybe restrict a car from going over to maybe save some money for a crossing, and then maybe, you know, smaller arms for just peds and bikes. So a modal filter, per se, actually, in we have proposed closing a closing at fifth, which we included in the PUC application for the Boston Avenue crossing. BNSF has a very strange rule that they require to cross crossings be closed if they were to grant one opening.
Unknown Speaker 56:13
So we threw in Fifth Avenue.
Unknown Speaker 56:17
But that’s a complete closure we did not look at at a BNSF would not accept that as a to keep you know, just close it for cars and keep multimodal is open. We propose that it’s in the downtown, like I said, the old neighborhood area where the blocks are much closer together, which is also adding to the as trains blow their horn, they’re blowing them in every intersection or just a straight out blast as they drive through the town. I liked that proposal too, because then it you know, maybe neighborhood complaints of cars will lessen.
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Unknown Speaker 56:56
A couple of questions regarding the quiet zone photo is the purpose of those black and yellow structures or a raised median that was discussed to prevent U turns by cars that are waiting for a train. What’s the purpose. So what happens if you see in that photo on the on the right, there’s a gait arm, if the gait arm is not long enough and doesn’t go a clot across both lanes of traffic, cars will tend to go in the opposing drive around in the opposing lane and just go around the gate. So you know with the train coming, people will try to risk it. That’s where you usually see accidents. That’s the purpose of that. So when we see in areas where you have more higher levels of traffic, you’ll see more likely immediate in the road, six, eight foot wide, and then there’ll be a second gate such that it closes. So it’s basically a double gate system to keep cars there’s no way for them to go. Nowhere, no place for him to go. They just gotta wait for the train to cross. I see. Thank you. Also regarding quiet zones. My recollection is that a couple of years ago, when now mayor Peck was the council liaison to our board, she mentioned that there was a possibility that the
Unknown Speaker 58:18
BNSF would agree to reroute its freight traffic outside of Longmont and avoid the whole quiet zone issue. Has anything happened with that?
Unknown Speaker 58:32
I’ll take that one.
Unknown Speaker 58:34
Basically, what happened was the
Unknown Speaker 58:38
railroad and the state were working together the railroads up and Union Pacific and BNSF were working together to figure out a route that would bypass basically the metro area. And that basically fell through in the early 2000s. So it’s not
Unknown Speaker 58:54
it’s not something that people are talking too much about, except I think BNSF, who would certainly like to have a faster way to travel through Colorado than through all these smaller towns, but there’s no money out there to help provide that link anymore.
Unknown Speaker 59:13
And I have a few questions.
Unknown Speaker 59:20
On my sheet, it says that the first packet was funded in 2021 is that it was funded in 21. But you’re waiting for approval to actually do the work.
Unknown Speaker 59:34
So way back in I think 2019 When Council first approve this, or in 2020. When they approved it, we put dollars into the 2021 budget. So as as, as time indicated, you know, they approve budgets.
Unknown Speaker 59:51
Each year that those dollars were were used for design they were used for in this case, some cases property acquisition, that money gets carried over. It’s
Unknown Speaker 1:00:00
In the project budget, it’s not, you don’t see it in the in you won’t see it in the 2024 to 2028 budget. But we have a number of dollars that are still within the project budget similar for a number of these projects. And then each year after, usually in February, we have a meeting, we look at the CIP from the previous year, and if there’s unspent dollars that and the project still isn’t completed or is carrying on, we carry those dollars forward into the next budget. And there’s an appropriation it’s part of the budget process each year before the next budget gets gets approved. So there are you may see a total is not an eight or $10 million project that is lined up now there is money already in the budget in the project. But it’s this first packet that you’re waiting to construct at the end of this year, beginning of next year. But you have to have approval first. Is that correct?
Unknown Speaker 1:00:57
PUC approval, we have the PUC approval. Currently, we’re working through some of the agreements with BNSF.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:05
There’s a number of key agreements and we’re still waiting to have some of them finalized. Okay, so that construction date is tentative.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:15
Correct? Yes. Okay. So I have one more question. And that is how many accidents have you had at crossings at railroad crossings?
Unknown Speaker 1:01:32
I can recall at least in my tenure here at least one fatal
Unknown Speaker 1:01:39
as to other accidents with trains. I don’t have a number for you. Okay. Was it a pedestrian or automobile? Do you remember? The one fatal was a pedestrian
Unknown Speaker 1:01:50
All right, thank you.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:52
It was on bicycle.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:00
Got any further questions for now?
Unknown Speaker 1:02:06
I think I think we’re good. Go ahead and continue. Next project is TRP zero 98. State Highway 66 improvements. As the name suggests, this is on State Highway 66, from Overstreet to us 287, or Main Street. The proposed improvements for this project include new on street bike lanes and pedestrian facilities specifically on the south side of the project for the pedestrian facilities in the form of a 10 foot wide sidewalk
Unknown Speaker 1:02:38
would include safety improvements as well for all users. And specifically in terms of vehicles, it would include acceleration lanes and deceleration lanes in some areas where applicable.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:50
Concurrent the current proposed cross section also does include the addition of one lane in either direction as as well as a strong component for Asset Management in
Unknown Speaker 1:03:03
addressing the aging as pavement, concrete pavement infrastructure on that project.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:09
The design for this project is currently sitting at a 30% level, we’re actually have been sitting at that level for a period of time while we’ve been addressing some challenging design constraints in terms of an overtopping issue of highway 66. During a flooding event, we do believe we have a path forwards for a solution on that particular design constraint. So we’re looking at progressing that design a little further.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:35
It is a state highway it is classified as a regional arterial as well. So it when the time comes to construction, it is a multi jurisdictional construction commitment.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:45
So city of Longmont, CDOT, and I believe portion of Boulder County as well are going to be all helping with this project.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:02
Next project TRP 106 concrete pavement management program,
Unknown Speaker 1:04:07
formerly known actually, as the Overstreet rehabilitation project was renamed relatively recently in our CIP. And the intent there is this project really is wanting to capture citywide asset management of our concrete pavements. And so just over is just a component of that we do have several other corridors within the city that are of concrete pavement. So that includes Francis Street, 17th Avenue, Boston and First Avenue. And so there’s two approaches this project can take one of which is programmatic needs. So for a corridor that does have ongoing maintenance or rehabilitation needs, we can plan that out in advance and address needs that we see coming up. And it also can help address urgent repairs. And in this particular case, here in this example photo heating concrete on Overstreet at the oligarchy ditch due to some pretty extreme thermal
Unknown Speaker 1:05:00
expansion that happened during the heat of summer last year. So as those items come up, we can also tackle those items with this project.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:08
currently looking for upcoming activity in 2024, to develop our corridor priorities, so to look at all the different areas that we have concrete pavements and prioritize where our needs are, and then plan those improvements accordingly, and then look forwards to designing those eventually as well.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:32
Any questions? Yeah, I was actually about the last slide.
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One before Yeah.
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my understanding the pedestrian bike, and the bike and pedestrian path is going to be a new addition to that section, right? That’s correct. So is a a plan for how those pedestrians and bikes will be able to cross over to all those streets that come in and out that section? Because right now, there’s no crossings? Or
Unknown Speaker 1:06:07
how are they going to access all the different roads that go through that section? That’s a good question.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:15
I don’t think I have personally an answer, Tom.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:19
Are you referring to trying to cross over to the north side of state highway 66? Yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:27
Again, they extended this project, it really starts just west of Main Street, and extends over two point just east of hoever street. So there’s currently two signalized, intersections and hoever and Main Street that would provide an opportunity to cross over between that location.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:50
There is a future signalized intersection plan for Francis street. So at some point in the future, when development occurs on the north side, there would be marked crosswalks that signalized intersection that would provide access across state highway 66 at that location, and that’s what what you’re asking. Yeah, I mean, there’s a lot of entrances, like, like for residents as well, answering the south side, correct. You’re thinking of the south side. So this path will be on the south side, collecting all those resident existing residents. But there’s some also on the north side, too. Oh, yeah. There are a few
Unknown Speaker 1:07:30
more planned, but there’s, there’s one subdivision that’s closer to Main Street? Yes. Yeah. I’m just wondering like, though, so they’re gonna have to go all the way to hoever all the way to Maine, to access the other side, and then there’s no way to connect. On the north side.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:47
There will be future connections, but as development occurs along that north side, okay, because there are places to go on that. And also, I think there’s like that churches on the north side. And then their place has a pumpkin farm. It’s also that’s further further west, than over in the county. There are there are a few raids on that site. But basically, it would be off off limits for those users because they won’t be able to cross.
Unknown Speaker 1:08:17
The Colorado Department of Transportation has a larger plan for that whole corridor, and we’re just doing a portion of that plan. So as things move forward, they have some planning efforts that are already done, and we can share those with you from online showing that entire corridor, basically from lions 25, and showing all the different bicycle facilities that are planned for that on both sides.
Unknown Speaker 1:08:48
And I guess Phil, that was kind of my question is what happens after hoever. So I guess who own
Unknown Speaker 1:08:57
who owns most of this?
Unknown Speaker 1:09:00
Color Department of Transportation owns all the right of way and we’re working with them. They’re going to provide a portion of the funding for this project. We also have some grant other grant funding that they were supportive of to make this project go forward.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:14
We are not going to do anything further to the west of hoever. As that’s boulder County’s purview, so they’re gonna work with CDOT on any kind of erosion improvements, and a lot of those improvements for bicycle and pedestrian. Are these frontage trails frontage roads that will connect various driveways so that drivers aren’t coming directly under 66 anymore. They’ll come to our frontage road that’ll be shared with bicycles. And so that’s a unique idea to consolidate access points and remove access points. And that’s kind of the big thing with it’s called the state highway 66 P L planning and environmental linkages study. And that is really trying to eliminate a lot of these access points because they recognize the crash data
Unknown Speaker 1:10:00
It’s been extreme on this quarter.
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you know, I, you know,
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I guess Gen Jim would be proud when I know I want the separated bike lane, which is what I see here. Will there be kind of wayfinding options or I know someone’s working on wayfinding for bikes right now. But
Unknown Speaker 1:10:23
you know, a common complaint I hear is courtesy from bikers maybe not ringing a bell type of thing. And or maybe I’ve seen this before is Lane striping on a sidewalk where it’s like pads on one side bikes on the other
Unknown Speaker 1:10:39
as ideas, but just spitballing ideas, but you know, I do like what I see. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:50
Okay, let’s continue. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:58
Next project TRP 131. The first and main transit station is a bit of a unique project, actually, it’s not actually going to be listed on any of the street fund or TCF funding spreadsheets that were part of your communication, but there is a strong transportation component to it.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:16
The project is going to be located on the southwest corner of First Avenue and Main Street. And it really is a developer driven project. And that RTD is actually the developer for this particular project, which would be an A transit hub, in the form of a parking ride parking garage area, as well as their bus rapid transit layover location when most rapid transit comes to the city. And in order to actually construct this development, we have the extension of Kaufmann Street from first avenue to Boston Avenue Boston avenue that would need to occur. So that area that was now highlighted in green. So in addition to just the single lane in each direction for this project, it would have a strong pedestrian and bike facility component as well in the form of wide sidewalks on either side of the street, as well as a dedicated two way cycle track on the west side of the street.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:11
The city is going to be taking on design and management of design and construction of this project. So we are just now actually starting beginning the design process, looking at a tenant at a tentative construction date of 2025, ideally to coincide with a number of projects in the general vicinity, including the construction of the actual transit hub area. And the next project that we’ll talk about, which is the Kauffman street busway.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:40
To a point that I made earlier this does not include any street or TCF T CIF funding. It is actually funded via the public Improvement Fund, and then reimbursements from RTD to be able to construct the actual roadways portion itself.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:58
Any questions on that? Yes, I have a question.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:03
Is it you may not be know the answer, but I’m just curious if there’s going to be additional bus routes as a result of having this transit center because right now I can only imagine there’s gonna be a couple of buses that would actually be going through this area. So is there a plan to have additional routes?
Unknown Speaker 1:13:23
I think I’ll take that one.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:25
So, board member burrows. The idea is that bus rapid transits coming online about the same time as all of these projects kind of finish up. So 2026 is likely when the blood stripe or transit between here in Boulder will start up. That’ll be buses running every 15 minutes during the peak between the station and Boulder. Basically, we’re also bringing all the local routes and the other regional routes to this location. So this is going to be the transit hub for the city of Longmont in the future. And so you’ll have the flex bus to Fort Collins will be starting and stopping at this look, it’d be starting at this location for Longmont. And then we’ll have all the local buses, the four routes, hopefully plus, we get one additional route from RTD
Unknown Speaker 1:14:11
to have five routes that hub at this location as well. And then we talked last time about micro transit. So this is going to be a great location to have micro transit going to and getting to those more regional routes. So the idea is to add a lot more service in the future. Would that include the LX as well? Bringing it back today? Correct? Yes, so the level on my express bus to Denver, the LX series will return in the future. We have promises from RTD we can’t share those yet. We’re not sure what date exactly but they’re talking about bringing them back with with the mayor so we’re excited. That would be great.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:54
Is that going to be an apple this?
Unknown Speaker 1:14:57
Already is but it’s private.
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know, and it’s very expensive.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:07
Mr. Jenkins, if I understand this correctly, there’s, there’s no city funding in any of the five years of the CIP for this project. And RTD is committed to provide up to $16.4 million. Is that correct?
Unknown Speaker 1:15:27
I don’t know if I can fully answer that question as well as Phil might be able to, well, we do have the the promissory note from RTD. For the 16, it was 17. And now we’ve drawn down on that a bit with the design that you kind of saw here.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:41
So there was those dollars from RTD are going to this project. But there is a lot of city involvement with this project too. And the ideas we’d really like to work with,
Unknown Speaker 1:15:52
again, read developer, as all dimensioned to be the prime constructor or,
Unknown Speaker 1:16:00
or piece of the development of this property, for the bus terminal. And for the,
Unknown Speaker 1:16:07
for the surrounding, you’re not seeing it on this picture, but the surrounding development that would support that transit supportive land uses around the station, probably in the form of high higher density residential, quite frankly, it makes sense at this location because it built in automatic writers. But for the Kauffman Street project, we did talk there’s a lot of
Unknown Speaker 1:16:29
city money in that involved as well, we also have other funding sources for that, but
Unknown Speaker 1:16:36
to say there’s no city money is it’s gonna be a little off.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:42
Remember, McInerney, the city was responsible for at this phase of the project, the property acquisition. So from the the general fund, through I think the public building fund that they that they’ve been putting in, I think, upwards of now $5 million, I believe for property acquisition, it is not coming from the street fund.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:03
But it is coming from the city through the general fund.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:07
How much of what we see in this graphic could be built for $16.4 million. And what will happen first
Unknown Speaker 1:17:22
the $16.4 million must be spent on Fast Tracks, infrastructure for transit only. So they’re going to be basically buying up the construction of the parking lot that you see the multi deck parking structure, as well as you can’t see it. But there’s the very bottom level is very much like the boulder downtown boulder station, where the buses will be underneath there. So they’re going to be responsible for all the pieces of transit, that have anything to do with connecting to a future. And you don’t see that on here either. But the future of future rail someday along First Avenue along the where the tracks are, so they are responsible for that. And that was the deal brokered with RTD at the time that we weren’t getting the rail, so give us some portion of the Fast Tracks dollars to build something for transit in this location. What are the two taller parts of the structure that are on either side of the parking deck?
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Those Those are really the redevelopment aspect associated with this block. So Jim mentioned that we are doing we’re already doing property acquisition, you’ve probably seen a lot of those come through Council, where we’ve talked about purchasing properties. So we have all the property I think either under contract or purchased at this point. And so we’re working with
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redevelopment group or we’re working to find redevelopment group that will build those sections of most of the mixed use of residential and commercial. Okay, thank you.
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Okay, let’s continue.
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next project. TRP 135. The Kaufman’s three busway is just up the street from the last project we were taking a look at. This is a project along Kaufman Street from Second Avenue to Ninth Avenue. And well the name of it is the Kauffman street busway. It really is a lot more than just a bus way. It is a strongly focused multimodal improvement project that really takes
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bike and pedestrian facilities to a much safer and comfortable
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use state than currently exists on Kaufman Street and work currently no bike lanes exist. So with respect to that we are looking at adding protected and detached bike lanes along the length of the corridor which would eventually transition to that two way cycle track that would be farther to the south on that extension of Kauffman street
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The pedestrian improvements would include the addition of mid block crosswalks that would tie in with the breezeways that we have up and down the corridor,
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as well as the shortening of crossing distances on not only Kaufman street itself, but on the cross streets as well. And the way that would be accomplished, at least in large part at Fourth Avenue and long speak Avenue
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would be via a protected intersection, which is example shown here. So this would be at Fourth Avenue and long speak Avenue would provide a much higher visibility for pedestrians and bikes that are going to be using that intersection and all directions would also lower the crossing distance on Kaufman Street and the
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related cross street as well. So this is a great type of design for those that are uncomfortable or maybe not as confident while riding bikes. And that’s really a large intent with this project is to make it much more comfortable for those that are not your strong and confident riders. But for those that want to make it to downtown with their family.
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So beyond those multimodal improvements, this does also include a strong asset management, asset management component, the distressed asphalt on Kaufman Street, really from Second Avenue, up to Ninth Avenue is in need of full reconstruction at this this point. And so this project will also address that our design is currently over 90% Complete. And we’re looking to wrap that up within the next couple of months. if not sooner than that we’re looking at then releasing this for bid later this year is our ideal timeframe with construction then starting in early 2024. So there is a balance of funding that we do anticipate needing to support this project in 2024. So there is a little bit of additional funding
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that we were asking for in 2024.
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I am very excited about this project. That’s a great to hear. So I’m looking forward to it. I have a couple of questions. I’ll start with the picture that you have right here.
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I really liked seeing this type of intersection because I think it’s much more friendly to multimodal I’m just wondering, like in terms of the timing with the lights like so. So you have pedestrians and bikes waiting to go through will they be given priority at this intersection or the weeks they still have to wait for cars
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are our current plan right now is to
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have the primary Street and Kaufman street Act is a
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an a recall mode so that while cars have a green light north south or buses have a green light north south that the pedestrians and bikes would also have that we are going to be implementing a detection, bike detection zone and then notification via signage and a blue light indicator as well. For those that are going to be using that intersection.
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I don’t know if there’s any additional items that Kyle may want to share on that. But we haven’t gotten to that level of detail yet.
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But do you want to add to that guy? Yeah, so as a alluded to, will be having dedicated to detection for pedestrians and bicycles. Starting with pedestrians will we will have
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leading pedestrian intervals to safely have pedestrians get a head start on Crossing before cross traffic turns green. And we will also be planning a new detection system that can actually physically identify how many and what location pedestrians and bicyclists are on the roadway. So it’s great way to get counts to people or across you know what areas but then will give us opportunities to have more flexible crossing times for different pedestrian abilities.
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I believe you have one more question I think I’m missing.
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Well, actually now I have two more questions. Go ahead. Sorry. Um
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so to make it safer for the pedestrians and bicyclists will right hand turn cars be still allowed under flashing left hand turns be allowed because presumably you’re going to have bicyclists and pedestrians moving alongside the cars. So having cars potentially turning into their lane when they’re trying to cross over there is even when it’s green. Yeah. So those intersections will be restricting movements to allow for safer travel. This corridor is putting extreme emphasis on alternative travel. So,
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for this corridor, the spirit of it is going to be
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other traveling first car second. So there will be delays as this corridor is not intended to be a main use for vehicular traffic
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This corridor will be used for bus rapid transit, pedestrians and bicyclists. Okay, that’s great. And my last question, I love that we have this connection this second tonight. But then what happens when you get to second? And what happens when you get to night? Where do you go? Is there a plan? Does that connect to any of the bike lane bypass? Like, where do you go? It’s great that you can go between step second, but you got to get back board member burrows, yes, there is a plan for that this project was originally intended, and still is to capture First Avenue up to Ninth Avenue, this current effort is just focusing on second to Ninth Avenue right now until we can take the extension of coffin to the south. Until that starts to really gain some steam and move forwards, we’re not going to construct that piece between first and second avenue yet, since we would essentially just be dead ending into nothing if we brought it all the way down to First Avenue. So when this is all done, when this project is completed, the second and Ninth Avenue piece will be completed first, following probably very, very fluidly behind it would be the second avenue to First Avenue component, and then continue the extension down from first avenue to Boston Avenue. From there.
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We should say that the bigger picture is same friend Greenway, up this Boston, or excuse me up this Kauffman connection. So from the same frame Greenway, up to Boston, and up calf, and basically the new section of calf, and then we build, then on the existing section that’s gonna be rebuilt all the way up to ninth, ninth now has pretty good bike lanes to the west, we need to do something to the east, that’s still kind of been that’s been, you know, thought and planned, and will be part of this TMP effort as well to see what we want to do to the east of that, but then also north. Ideally, once you get to Ninth Avenue it’s a very short stretch of Coffman, that exists a very low volume section of Coffman, that exists with by Ed sheroes, or something like that, to take you up to 11th, which there’s a very good east west corridor as well. And it’s much lower traffic than the ninth
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part of the Main Street corridor master plan was how do you take that further north and we actually had really good conversations with a cemetery Believe it or not, that they’d like to extend
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a trail through the cemetery because they’d like more eyes in that area. So that it one more people, they want more interaction with the public. And we’ll see how that goes with people riding their bikes through but they do they were interested in having the connector up. And then Kaufman continues north of Mountain View as well. So really, the long term plan that’s kind of beyond a lot of this and part of the TMP process. We’ll talk about extending these different corridors and how we do it. Okay, thank you.
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Just to add to that, briefly, there will or very well, maybe a scenario where there would be an insurance condition on first a second avenue where the improvements aren’t fully built yet, but our plan is to create an interim connection for those going north on First Avenue to enter the Kauffman street busway. Or those exiting heading to the south until that full segment can be built out, we would have some interim striping and street connections for bikes and pedestrians.
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no, I actually enjoyed that comment about the cemetery. It brings me memories from
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traveling the world and actually going to cemeteries for fun.
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you know, I think you know, I love the Kauffman Street project, partly because, you know, in the back, we’ve had many conversations about it. So that’s been fun.
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And then, after this, I think, as Phil you kind of alluded to is once the TMP gets going then and we’ll figure out the remaining connections, etc. And then I’m just wondering, because I know that this project is very expensive. Is there anything we’ve also learned to maybe speed up the next project and
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hopefully bring cost down for the next one and the next one? So
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I think we’ve learned that inflation is very unpredictable.
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All right. We’ll leave it at that.
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I also am very excited to see this project take form. When I was reading about it in our packet though, I noticed that the sway sheet still includes a reference to center running bus lanes being the best design approach, which is probably not appropriate, because our bus way won’t have them.
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Well, I think ideally, those were the best approach
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Each but it was not the best approach for LeMans Kaufman Street from second to ninth. So
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though it may be a universal best approach, it doesn’t operate well for what we’re trying to do on Kaufman in Longmont.
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Yeah, you’re right, that should be altered, the alternative that that was chosen should be will be updated. Actually, we have a whole effort that’s going into the outreach piece of that. And so you’ll see a lot of changes on our website coming up in the next couple weeks, hopefully, once.
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We shouldn’t be releasing a interim at least website update, and then a more much more interactive story map experience for those that want to be able to really take a closer look and dive into what is the project really going to look like at a more granular level?
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hang on, Council. Councilmember barrels?
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I’m sorry, just a follow up question. So
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is there going to be additional routes or options to get to Maine. So it’s okay to go up and down Kaufman, but
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I imagine people want to access Maine. And I see that, you know, you have the sidewalks here still, but
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a lot of there’s a lot of shops and public utilities on the other side of town, or the other side of Maine. So is there a what is their thoughts about how pedestrians and bicyclists are going to access those without having to cross over lots of roadways. So it makes sense, hopefully.
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Right now, the plan. And again, the transportation mobility plan will have a lot of say in this and the citizens will have a lot to say on this. And we’ll take it to city council eventually, as well after we go through the boards and commissions is right now we’re looking at Fourth Avenue has really been identified as part of this, as you can kind of tell us the major east west bicycle connector here as well, as long as peak Avenue.
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Those two have been identified as the major crossing points. And so all the ins put a lot of work into making sure those connections are those critical pieces that gets you over to Main Street. The other piece of it is also the breezeways. So we really with this project are taking those breezeways that are already existing to the alleyways of between Coffman and between Kimbark and Maine. And we’re extending those breezeways to Kaufman. And so that’ll be part of that mid block crossing that Alden also referenced. So those new blocks will get you to Maine as well and that will be bicycle friendly as well as pedestrian friendly. Great.
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Okay, let’s continue.
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Alright, our last project this evening that we’d like to present on is TRP 137, the main street corridor plan. The intent of this project is to plan prioritize and design transportation needs for safety, mobility, connectivity and access along the five mile stretch of Main Street from Highway 66 to plateau road.
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One of the primary efforts that is part of this project right now is the 21st Avenue underpass project at
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the oligarchy ditch as it passes underneath Main Street just south of 21st Avenue and also including the intersection of 21st Avenue itself.
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We do have that project. Having received outside funding sources I believe it’s just federal funding for that.
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That effort but we’re going to be looking at designing that in the coming months in year 2020 2020 24. And it also this project also includes an ongoing effort to develop the improvements to Wayfinding and traffic signal modifications throughout the corridor so from Highway 666 down to plateau road
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so another opportunity for more questions before we have one more slide for you this evening.
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I can’t find it now. But remember like north and 17th was mentioned for mid block crossings and
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as recommended, recommended because I remembers being part of the presentation of significant pedestrian
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risk or or crashes on the along that corridor.
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We are currently working with RTD as part of that bus rapid transit project that would actually go all the way up to state highway 66 on Main Street. There’s a plan to parking right up
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They’re that they’re working on building, that’s all RTD project for, for them, that’s all their money, all their planning efforts. But as they, as that bus rapid transit comes down the corridor there certain stop locations that would have, would need midblock to be able to operate because we can’t operate that bus rapid transit, as close to the intersections as we’d like. So they’re looking at mid block crossings. And we’ve been out with Kyle and Caroline to work with RTD on where those locations can be. And so we have identified two specific ones that are north of 17, then north of 21st. And then see dots on board and all that. Sure. All right, they will.
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They will, they are on board because they are part of the bus rapid transit, program and project. And so they they understand, in fact, they are spearheading a study, along all activity seven that shows all my being, by far the worst crash locations for pedestrians and bicycles, which makes sense since we’re the only real
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city and the density is there. And there’s so many people trying to cross and so many apartment buildings and shops along our portion of 27.
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And then another question is just on this sheet that was given to me as
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if I’m understanding correctly, like so there’s funding status, you know, unfunded, partially funded, funded, and then you’re one.
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Oh, wait, no, nevermind, I answered my own question. Sorry.
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Vice Chair. Chris, do you want to hear all of our comments on the capital improvement program now? Or should we wait until the board member comment part of the program?
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Well, I think it’s probably a good opportunity to move to the next slide in light of that question, if that works for everybody. So that brings us back to the original slide that we had posed at the beginning to consider two options, one of which to recommend the funding as presented by staff and the 2024 2028. CIP
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or option two to recommend City Council adopt that funding with revisions recommended from the transportation advisory board.
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Would you like to make a motion board member McInerney?
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I still have the question. Do you want to hear our comments before we vote on this?
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So the motion would be discussion before voting.
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Correct? Yes. Okay. Anyone second that motion?
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The motion on the floor is to have discussion before deciding between option one or option two.
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All in favor.
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Okay, motion passes. Let’s have discussion.
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All right, let’s start with
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board member Bennett.
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So there’s a lot to take in so but I don’t have any
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issues that I see at this time.
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I think this year I I understand the CIP a little bit better.
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Yeah, just understanding what what we’re actually working with and what’s been done this year versus the following years. And then there’s could be changes later. So it’s making a little more sense. So so thank you for going through through that slowly with us today, but I don’t
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you know, I just wish there was more money. So, you know, I can’t, can’t get that. So thank you.
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Thank you all for your presentation.
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And just a point of clarification, this is all a very active program. In other words, we’ll be reviewing this every year in terms of where we are adjustments adaptations. Okay.
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So that was a very comprehensive plan. And I’ll
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A lot to think about. But I have to agree with board member Wicklund, that the main sticking point seems to be the funding in some areas, so
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I’ll move on to a board member McInerney.
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I appreciate having the information provided on the project sheets. It’s great to see significant funding allocated to Vision Zero type projects, including for the transportation system management program, the missing sidewalk program and the Main Street corridor plan. That’s great. Now, the introduction to this evening’s CIP presentation that was in our packets, includes a statement that I’m going to quote verbatim quote attached are the individual project sheets for transportation related projects, with funding from the street Fund, and the transportation community involvement fee fund and quote, now I saw that and I wondered there, whether there are non transportation related projects with street tax funding. And sure enough,
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the summary list of street tax funded projects includes five municipal buildings, boiler,
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HVAC, and flooring replacements, as well as a Macintosh Mac Macintosh Lake Park project, and prairie dog barrier replacements. None of these projects have a transportation prefix to their project number.
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And we weren’t provided with project sheets for any of them. Last year, the board was informed that
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the rationale for using street tax revenues for municipal building renovation projects is that city employees with transportation roles work in those buildings, and therefore, street tax revenues can be applied to renovating the buildings. Now, I’ve never prepared a CIP budget, and I’m sure it’s a challenging and complicated task. I’m just an advisory board member. But my advice on this matter to staff is that the optics of using street tax revenue to renovate municipal buildings are not good. So I urge the staff going forward to respect the citizens of Longmont who voted to tax themselves for street improvements by including only projects with a strong connection to transportation in the allocation of street tax revenues in the CIP.
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I’ll go I’ll make the argument that
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the boiler and the H fac
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items that are noted in the street fund
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actually have a transportation component because they go to serve the engineers who work on those projects on transportation projects.
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The the allowance to do that is embedded in what the city every year updates is our financial policies. And it’s similar the term basically operations that to actually operate
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and do designs.
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Our engineers are would like to be in you know, heated buildings with air conditioning. That’s really where it it draws from, is that it? It’s defined in the financial policies and it’s under the verb root verbiage of operations.
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The other item, the prairie dog,
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item, I think that’s under a parks project.
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that is a prairie dog barrier that is going to be adjacent to the dickens Park to keep prairie dogs out of the public right of way.
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The good news is is that none of the staff here had any idea about those till we actually read the budget and were able to investigate it. That’s coming out of of higher levels then then it it’s issued through finance, finance department and
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The city manager’s office, I think I covered three of those. Not sure if I got the other two
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that you made mention of, but we can, we can provide you those sheets for the items that are listed in the that are drawing money from the street fund. And I know that in future years, there is a rather large chunk that’s shown in the street fund to the tune of I think $1.9 million.
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I want to say in 2026.
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What is not shown in the budget that was presented to you is the actual revenues that come in, that is a grant funded project for a trail for the Adams,
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the atoms farm trail from Union reservoir to the east.
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That project shown as street fund dollars, but there is a revenue that matches that. And the reason we undertake that is the other funding sources cannot bring grant dollars in those funds that are general are utilized, because it has other funding dollars from conservation and open space.
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So it is it is budget art is rather complicated. And we’d be happy to sit offline and talk to you about it. We could certainly go through all those items that are funded through the street fund.
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I appreciate your response. Mr. Angstadt. I would also be interested in seeing the language of the 2019 measure that the voters approved is it does it discuss what the tax revenues can be used for?
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I would have to revisit that to fully fully look at it, but I can send us a link I can we can we can certainly revisit that not a problem. Thank you.
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I will say that prior to 2019, it was very much and Tom can probably confirm this is very much related just to streets. And in 2019, maybe it was the will be for that actually that we opened it up to be more of a transportation tax rather than a street fund sales tax, which it’s we’ve always kind of traditionally listed it as a street fund sales tax. But it is more of a transportation component now on the new reading of the rule, but we’ll send the link to you. And then you can see exactly what’s stated there.
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So I just want to thank all of you for your presentations as a new board member. Most of these projects are really neat to me. So I really appreciated all the detail that you provided so that someone like me could understand what the projects are.
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And I’m just kind of curious about how you decide which projects to move forward in actually pushing for funding. Are they all the projects listed here? Are they all in various stages of trying to acquire funding CAD? How is it determined that these are the ones that are going to end up being budgeted for the year?
Unknown Speaker 1:48:03
I think part of that process is a number of meetings we have within, within our department within the city as a whole. We have a lot of different discussions, we have a lot of different open meetings, we have various community outreach efforts where we have an opportunity for residents to provide their point of view, what their priorities etc. Might be. There’s a lot of effort that goes into it, a lot of discussion behind it. It’s not a simple process. And it takes many many meetings to kind of funnel it down to get to a point that where we presented tonight. Okay, I’m presuming a large part of those, like considerations about safety, like number of crashes at certain intersections that these the priority locations.
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And then I would think that that would be an important consideration. That’s a strong consideration for sure. You know, again, the advantage of having so many different to functional areas in those discussions is everybody has a different point of view and brings up different different ideas and but, you know, safety is always near at or near the top of those discussions.
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Okay, thank you just wanted to understand a little bit more about the process
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I did want to just have a better understanding because the one exception to safety and it’s more of a nuisance is the railroad quiet zones. And, like the fact that it’s like $4 million to be able to, like have a quiet zone in the historic downtown district. I like can you just explain as to like, why these barriers like are at such a cost like
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I mean, so maybe the perhaps a broad question
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but it just it is the one thing that does seem like more of a luxury item with it that it’s not safety oriented.
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So the quiet zone project currently I think is sitting at around $10 million with a $4 million infusion from fra.
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But that covers, as I recall, want to say 16 crossings all through town, not just the ones in the downtown or the old historic east side area of town. And that project
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was came from direction directly from council
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want to say back in 2019 or 2020? at a public meeting, they gave us direction to move forward with it and put it in the budget.
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I guess I came up with another question.
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In the in our packet TRP 124, there’s two papers of it. One is funded and one is partially funded. So I’m just wondering,
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which is it?
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I’m assuming partially these it’s on the other sheet but no?
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Good question. Good point, it does appear we have some inconsistency there. You know, we do show a minor shortfall for that particular project. Couple $100,000. We’ll need to take a little bit of a closer look at that and verify. But, you know, it does look like it probably should be a partially funded project at this point.
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And then one final question probably for all them.
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As I was thinking the transit station, is there going to be much public input on that? Because I think that’s also, you know, great opportunity, you know, as, as old towns. Before, you know, the the station, the train station was always the hangout spot. So to make it more of a community center as well. But will the public be involved in kind of what what the citizens want as well. But from the roadway improvements perspective, it would follow our general approach for that. So to work through an initial conceptual design. And then from there, we would be gathering public feedback for those impacted by the court or directly or for those that would be potentially using on a broader scale with respect to the actual facility itself, the actual RTD transit hub and how that would eventually look, let Phil answer that question.
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I think the idea is that yes, we would go out to the public with and get the best input that we possibly can for that facility, just as what you just as you said, it’s something that the public is going to want to embrace, I think and it’s going to be as Senator point for that’s going to be the hub for transit for the city. So I think we’re trying to do is put together some pieces of this that are going to be
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kind of the requirement piece of it as far as the parking and the transit facility. That’ll be pretty well set based on what RTD needs. But the surrounding areas and how those look, we didn’t really we have some good pictures and I’ll send those to you to some renderings of the park space and some Plaza space that’s going to be on Kaufman Street as part of kind of the overall drainage plan for facilitating drainage but it’s a beautiful Parkway and in the interim, so and then also connect up.
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I know people are gonna laugh again, but it’s going to connect up to the railroad railroad.
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railway platform is what we’re hoping to do. Whether that’s RTD or whether it’s
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I’m trying for whatever it is, it’s, it’s part of this. It’s part of that,
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or that puzzle for transit.
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Thank you, because I just think, you know, aesthetics is a big thing for people to use it and enjoy it. So.
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Okay, so our options are to vote for this CIP recommendation as written, or option two to offer some revisions or amendments to it. Or I would guess there’s an option three, and that if you’d like to think about it more, have more information brought back to you regarding the budgeting. We could vote that way too. Is there anyone who would like to make a motion?
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Yes, I move that the Board recommend option one that city council adopt the funding from the street fund and transportation Community Investment fee fund, or transportation projects as presented by staff in the 2024 2028 proposed capital improvement program?
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Is there a second?
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Okay, the motion on the floor is to adopt the CIP recommendation options as written and per option one as presented to us. Let’s go ahead and vote.
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All in favor say aye. Aye.
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The motion passes.
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Thank you, staff you have your recommendations approved.
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All right. So now we’re on to Section eight, which is a comments from the board members. Let’s start from the left this time with you board member burrows.
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So I actually want to talk about a
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interaction I had with RTD.
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This last month.
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So I had to travel down to Broomfield every day for my daughter’s music class, and it was every day. So I didn’t want to drive every single day from Montgomery field. So I decided to try and use public transport to make my way there, especially since it’s free this month. And I didn’t have a very good experience, unfortunately. So a half an hour, journey by car took me an hour and a half by public transit, because of the way that the buses timeout. They’re only once now. So it didn’t timeout with when we had to arrive. So we had to do a lot of waiting around, which is always a challenge when you have kids. But
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I was prepared for the waiting around of the seven buses I took, which will be the
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that goes up north and south.
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up to age seven, seven of them will eight out of the eight.
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And one never turned up at all.
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It was cancelled, just never arrived.
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And when there’s only one bus an hour, and it doesn’t turn up, it’s not great for the public to use them. I did find that the transit to the FlexRide, we use a flex ride as well. And the flex Ray part was great. I had a really good interaction with them. And they always picked us up on time and goes to our destination. So I really liked that part. But as far as the LD three, it was not great. So I just wanted to let everyone know that
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we still have some work to do with the transportation,
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especially the LD three.
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I always appreciate getting information from staff about the capital improvement program. It’s fascinating to see how the money actually gets allocated in the city. Once again, I want to repeat that I’m really excited that Vision Zero efforts are showing up in the CIP program. And to me that means that things may actually start to happen within the next four to five years. So that’s very encouraging. Very exciting. And I appreciate the board entertaining my pet peeve about the building renovations once again this year. And that’s it for me.
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I’ll go last so
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board member Wiklund
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So thank you for the presentations for the motion that was presented earlier. And I just knew CIP takes a while. And, and I think the action plan will also take a while, so, but I enjoyed that discussion in the future. And then also, just to kind of talk about some things I’ve heard from my preview of working downtown, and talking to a lot of employees of downtown.
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I know people who live on the west and the east side, and the east side tends to be a little annoyed of the lack of crossings along Kimbark. Just to think about for, for the safety of workers trying to walk to work, especially
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don’t know what can be done, but
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so just wanted to say it, because I promised I would sell. Alright, so then thank you so much.
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Well, this was very informative. And thank you for all the time and effort that you put into helping us understand the funding projects that are ahead of us. I wanted to also address Burroughs wanting to talk about the TA The Vision Zero plan. And I would prefer to hold off when we have stuff. But
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yeah, so I just wanted to give reason behind my rejection of the talking, just so that because I feel like that’s going to be a major talking point in the year ahead. And I don’t want us to, but I want us to be able to have a well rounded discussion.
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When we have the staff member to do so.
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I also wanted to acknowledge a article that I saw on the times call about a vehicle crash in on the 17th and Atwood street that resulted in property damage, and
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the homeowner has talked about how she’s had multiple crashes in my area. And I was wondering if that was just in the radar of transportation staff. And if there is any plans to make that intersection more safe.
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Board Member Bennett, whenever we
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staff finds out or gets notice of of,
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of crashes, fatalities, we usually dig into them, trying to get the police report investigate them.
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And at the
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intersection of 17 and a half foot, it’s important to note that of the three accidents that damage that residents fence in the last I want to say three years or three or the last three years, the accidents there that caused damage. All of them were hitting runs. Two of them were DUIs.
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and the latest accident is still under investigation.
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So nevertheless, staff did meet with the resident. We are looking at some small scale safety improvements, we’re putting up some some
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some reflectors, some additional striping to steer people away from kind of the edge of the road and keep them along the centerline. We’re looking at later in the year if funding is available, a radar speed limit sign
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there won’t be any work on 17th Physically until probably 2026 i Five I recall from reading our pavement or asphalt management plan.
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So what we did in talking to the president is we are indicated we would take a look at if there’s any physical improvements that need to be done we would do them at that time, but they would need to be laid out and designed. So we are we will be taking a look at it. In the short term we will be doing like I said some some reflectors to warn people about that that kind of approaching curb and some striping.
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So that will be we done in the next few weeks.
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All right, thank you staff. This was an excellent presentation. There was a lot of written material and electronic material and
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this is my first time running the microphone. So I
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thank the board for their patience with me. It was a challenging night to sit in this seat. So appreciate all that you bring to the table. And I guess if we have comments to make about the Vision Zero plan, we should email them to you and you’ll come back to us with
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Uh, an aggregate of everything that’s in. Okay. That’s all I have to say is, I’ll move on to number nine, which is comments from city, our city council liaison, Yarborough.
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Thank you, Vice Chair, Chris.
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I know that chair you have to be you got to have much grace.
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For people who sits in that chair.
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Seriously, you do. A lot of people don’t understand that is something else, especially with the new mics and everything. So people should have much grace. But thank you for running a good meeting.
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I just want to say thank you all for the presentations and everything. And I too, am learning.
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I wanted to be the liaison
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on this board, because when I was running for city council, it was a lot about transportation I did not know about. And so I am constantly learning. As you all you all probably know, way more than I do.
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But it is always wonderful to see staff put so much detail and hard work into the presentations and the information that they provide.
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And I just think most of everything that was on here besides Vision Zero was before I got on council. And so
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and it took everything takes time, we wish it could be instantaneous, right? Not only with time comes money. And so
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I just appreciate the staff just being diligent throughout all the city councils that change over in may have issues with what you’ve done in the past with the previous city councils. And so I just want to say to staff that thank you for being diligent and when, when you are asked to do something in whether you agree with it or not, you still do it. Because for one thing I just want to mention is that when we sit in these seats door and city council we have to listen to we do listen to
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the public. And when they have concerns, then we come back and we tell staff and they’re like okay, okay, and so. So when you ask those questions, what how do you prioritize these things? It’s those people who in their neighborhoods come in and complain to us about the safety issues about transportation, or public safety that come in and tell us so. So I just want to say thank you to you all for bringing up all those questions and comments. The public needs to hear those things. And again, I can’t say thank you enough to staff. And yeah, good meeting. Thank you.
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Okay, our next meeting is September 11 2023.
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Do we have any items for upcoming for the upcoming agenda?
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On the work plan, we have the peak service study, which is the RTD rail study.
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So we could have them come in if you didn’t get enough information in May. And a lot of you some of you weren’t part of that discussion in May. I think they touched on briefly. So already, I’ll review that and see if there’s any information we need more from them. And we’ll check with the chair on that as well. We typically talk about flex ridership. So the ridership from between here and North
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between the north which is Fort Collins and Loveland and Berthoud. So we can bring those numbers to you as well. I’m not sure we typically don’t have them do a presentation, but we’ll look into whether we can get somebody from transport down here to do that. And then I know this is going to
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make make some people worried over here to my right, but we have the crash report, typically in September or October. So
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I think we’re on on it this year because we do have the integrated system that we didn’t have last year there was a kind of a combination of two different systems. So we were a little late with the crash report, but that is something we typically slate for September, October. So those are the items
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I’ll make a motion to adjourn this meeting. Can I have a second?
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All in favor,
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aye. And we’re adjourned.
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