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Historic Preservation Commission- April 2024
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Unknown Speaker 2:13
Okay, welcome, everyone. Let’s go ahead and call the April 4 2024. Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order. Can I have the roll, please?
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Commissioner Fenster Sherman lane, here
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is your buyer Here. Councilmember Mayor pack here.
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Great. So we do have a quorum.
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We’ll continue. So our next item on the agenda is approval of the January 4 HPC. Meeting Minutes do.
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Are there any corrections or comments on those minutes? And if not, I’ll entertain a motion. We’re
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one change I gave to Maria.
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That was on the retreat, though no. Are not.
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Okay.
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Go ahead and hit your mic there commissioner just
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needs to
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okay, they change everything on this. There it is. Page two of the minutes line four.
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It says the alarm on symphony is buying three tables and it should say the kind of amount of family is buying three tables.
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Thank you.
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That’s my only change.
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Okay, any other corrections? Otherwise, I’d entertain a motion to approve as corrected. Okay, moved by Commissioner Fenster. Seconded by Commissioner Sibley. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? None. So the minutes of the January for are
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approved as corrected by Commissioner Barner.
Unknown Speaker 4:12
All right. Next, we have approval of our March 16 2024 Retreat minutes.
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And are there any corrections or comments on those?
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Seeing none, I’ll entertain a motion to approve.
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I’ll second. Okay. Moved once again by Commissioner Fenster and seconded by Commissioner Sibley. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed. None. The March 16 Retreat minutes are approved. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 4:49
Okay, report from the chair. The only thing I have to communicate to the commission. I just want to make you aware that the Lamont times
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Call did reach out to me for some comment on the tariff compassion coming back to this commission, and just looking for some clarification of what exactly we were doing with it. So we just explained that we’re considering the local landmark designation, and, you know, some of the benefits associated with that. So I presume there will be some sort of article
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coming out. Just want to make you aware that I did speak
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to that issue, publicly.
Unknown Speaker 5:34
Okay. Next, we have communications from HPC. Staff, ladies.
Unknown Speaker 5:40
Good evening, members of the commission and Chairman lane. Yes. The Times call also reached out to the city on that particular topic as well. So I know our communications team was pulling together some information since they had some park specific questions as well. So yeah, I do anticipate there being an article in the near future very near future about that. So related, I have a few items on my agenda. First, we do have a few guests with us this evening, who will be speaking under the new business section, we have Lindsey Fluellen. I will always watch your name. I do apologize.
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From History Colorado, who is going to talk to us a bit about certified local governments and kind of give us a little overview and update on those things. We’ll talk a little bit about our quadrennial CLG review that we’ll be doing going through this year. We also have Ozzie Terran and Carrie Sheehan, from the city who will give you an update on the firehouse Art Center restoration work. So related to the tower of compassion.
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Last Tuesday at their city council meeting, city council did direct staff to pursue landmark designation for the tower of compassion. So
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staff will be working on that in the next month or so. So I would anticipate realistically will probably bring that to this commission for consideration at the June meeting, we’ll shoot for the May meeting but just in the interest of managing expectations and being realistic about workloads.
Unknown Speaker 7:16
I think June’s probably realistic May is optimistic, but we’ll see what we can do for that.
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We are going to be getting that ball rolling.
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Few other items, historic preservation month in May, a proclamation will be made at the April 30, city council study session meeting. So I would invite and encourage members of the commission to be there for that.
Unknown Speaker 7:44
So there will be that official announcement of of historic preservation month doing an April 30. So we can get ahead of of the full month.
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boards and commissions we have an April 19 deadline for the boards and commissions applications. Currently we do have one applicant in the queue. So once that
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deadline closes once that deadline is passed, Maria and I will see what we have in terms of applications and be in contact with Commissioner lane to discuss interview process and getting that ball rolling. The interviews need to be done during the month of May. Since council takes it up in June.
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Let’s see I know historic Eastside neighborhood association conservation overlay is a
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topic that this commission has been interested in. We will be providing an overview of the purpose process and status to city council at their April 23 meeting as a general business item. Other items I have this evening are just an update on the survey plan. I’ve been in communication with Joshua haba or consultant on that. He’s working on the map updates and consolidating comments.
Unknown Speaker 9:05
The background write up is in progress. I should have a draft in the next week or two. So I should have something in the next packet hopefully for this commission to review possibly. And then they are anticipating getting out for their windshield survey.
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Kind of ground truth a lot of the information probably in may sometime so it’s trying to do some scheduled coordination on that. So that’s where we are on that one. So there is movement on that particular project. So that’s what I’ve got for today. So I do have another item under new business but then we I will discuss that item then. Okay, great. Thank you, commissioners, any questions for staff this morning? Thanks for a thorough rundown. You got everything on my list, so I appreciate that.
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Okay, at this point, we have public invite
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Just to be heard, so if there’s anyone who’s not a guest, I don’t see anyone in the audience who’s not already been mentioned as a guest. So we’ll go ahead and close the public invited to be heard.
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We do not have any items for public hearing. And so then we can move on to new business. And the first item on that list is an update on the firehouse Art Center.
Unknown Speaker 10:25
Good evening, again, I’m going to bring Ozzie Taryn and Carrie Sheehan.
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For their special projects, coordinators, and I will always get your titles confused, but they handle all of our CIP projects and special projects and a lot of that, so they are going to talk to you a bit about what’s going on at the firehouse Art Center. All right, thank you welcome.
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Now you can hear me.
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As Jennifer said, my name is Carrie Sheehan, and Sozzi. Taryn and we are both project managers for the city. He also plays a role in the building department as well. And we both just finished up Callahan house restoration, which is why we got to we got this project as well, just again, we had that experience.
Unknown Speaker 11:13
So we’re here today just to talk about the rehabilitation and restoration of the original the historic firehouse.
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So let’s see.
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There we go. So what we’re doing for this project is focusing on the exterior of the building, all the work that is going to be done is going to be to maintain the building’s 1907 appearance. And that’s obviously when the building was originally built. And we’re also going to, which I know is important to you all, we’re going to maintain compliance with the Secretary of the Interior standards for the treatment of historic properties. So I want to make sure that you are aware of that. First, we just want to go through a little bit of the scope of work.
Unknown Speaker 12:00
All of the work is actually going like I said is going to be done on the exterior. One of the highest priorities for us is the window frames, a few have driven by or you could just look at these pictures, these are in desperate need of attention. So what our plan is to repair, restore and rebuild. If, if necessary, the x the existing window frames and sashes. There will there are some
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some glazing that may need to be replaced because it is broken. So we will do that as needed. Install new weatherstripping, replace the weight ropes in the in the windows, and then
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get them get it wrapped up with wood prep and painting. I know that someone was concerned about the bid that we had put out that didn’t mention the replacement of the windows. That is not our goal at all for this project. But if there is a case where we may need to replace a window, we’ll bring that to you first, I was hoping to have something to show you. But we don’t have bids back yet. But again, last resort. And I think that by putting that in our bid is also going to help us weed out contractors. Because anybody who has done this historic work before, well know that that is not something we should be doing. So I think that’s going to help us out with contractors as well
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as everything else on the windows. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 13:30
The next thing that is on our list is the exterior doors on the north and the west side, then this work is is just to repair or replace the deteriorated wood and just removing the hardware and repainting. And when I talk about repainting throughout this, it’s all repainting to the same color that it is right now so we’re not changing colors.
Unknown Speaker 13:56
The next thing we’re going to do is the exterior trim on the north and west sides. The crown molding on both on both facades will be rehabilitated, it will not be replaced. It’s either rehabilitated, restored and then re primed and painted.
Unknown Speaker 14:18
We’re going to take a look at the deck also since it is a newer deck, it’s only about 15 ish years old it’s in pretty good shape. So the plan for this is just to scrape the paint on the the deck the balusters the railings and and then on the the west facade as well and then treat it and then repaint it. So again just get it cleaned up so that it looks looks a little bit nicer than we’ve got right here.
Unknown Speaker 14:47
The part coating which is on the west side of the building that white kind of that white paint is peeling and cracking. So what we are going to do here is remove the existing coating and then I’m
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Replace it with two coatings that do have fiberglass in it and then repainted. Again, that existing color.
Unknown Speaker 15:09
One complaint that we do get from a staff and I know this is a concern of yours also is the lighting around this building.
Unknown Speaker 15:18
Since there were no fixtures on the original building, I did a lot of research on this, there were no fixtures on the original building, what we tried to do was come up with a fixture that was reminiscent of the time period. So that is this kind of that, that fixture that we’ve got there.
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We’re going to add two fixtures,
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to the doorways, and I tried to put just put them in here just so that you can see them one on either side of the doorway on the west and one on either side on the north. And then the single door on the west side would get one fixture again just to provide a lot of safety lighting security lighting for that area.
Unknown Speaker 16:01
Next is the basement stairwell. Access here is pretty dangerous. So what the plan here is to add a stairwell I’m sorry, a Han Han route the stairwell. So that’ll make it safe for staff to go down there. And then we’re also going to replace the existing light fixtures, which are kind of askew in there and don’t really match anything with some wall packs, they will be an LED fixture with motion sensors.
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And they are kind of behind there will be behind the gate so you won’t see them. But they will provide that safety lighting for our staff.
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What we are going to do as well as they are if you if I don’t know if you’ve been there recently, but they’ve got a corrugated metal at the bottom of the stairwell with a gate. So what the plan is to remove that, and then put an expanded metal gate under the
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under the porch upstairs so that it keeps people from going in there who aren’t supposed to be in there. But there will be a locked gate for staff to get in and out. What we will do is put it just behind the meters so that we don’t have to worry about access to those meters.
Unknown Speaker 17:16
Installing new gutters on the west and the north side is going to be really important for the work that we’re doing just because the water that is dripping off the roof is causing deterioration to the the trim that’s already existing. So the plan is going to put a gutter on both sides. It’ll be behind the trim, so you won’t see it from the street. Or you won’t see it from the sidewalk level either. And it’ll tie into the existing downspout and gutter that it’s on the south side of the building.
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And I just included this, you guys I’m sure know about this already. They’re doing the improvements on Kaufman street. So we’re not doing any work on the sidewalk because they are going to take care of it as part of this project.
Unknown Speaker 18:03
And finally, is our schedule. So we did issue that RFP on May to march 12. And we have our proposals coming back on April 9. So that’s next Tuesday.
Unknown Speaker 18:16
We’ve had a lot of interest. I think we had six or seven contractors who did come to the pre bid. So we’re at that was an encouraging.
Unknown Speaker 18:25
So that’s what I have. I don’t know if you guys have any questions.
Unknown Speaker 18:29
Thank you. Yeah. Are there any questions from commissioners?
Unknown Speaker 18:34
No. Okay. I have quite a few.
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So
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I guess I’d like to start with just a procedural question, which might be more of a staff question. So if this were a privately owned property,
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this proposal would have come before us as a board to obtain a Certificate of appropriateness for this work? No.
Unknown Speaker 19:07
I think typically, we would in in classified this work more as restoration and rehabilitation, since they aren’t making substantial alterations to the building.
Unknown Speaker 19:18
The window worked if the windows were to be replaced, we absolutely would be bringing them to you.
Unknown Speaker 19:27
The work is typically what I would consider to be minor rehabilitation, restoration work that doesn’t substantially change the exterior of the structure. There is the question of the light fixtures. I don’t know if that’s something that the commission would want to see. We could definitely bring those in.
Unknown Speaker 19:45
Typically light fixtures are not the kind of thing that we’ve I’ve seen go to Commission’s in the past. But if that’s something that commission will be interested in seeing we can definitely do that. The gutters since they would not be visible and they would be kind of integrated into the existing
Unknown Speaker 20:00
A roofing system and behind the trim that would because it’s not visible I, I would I would treat that typically as something along the lines of a roof replacement for hail damage, just because of the visibility is not there and it’s being done to prevent further damage to to the historic trend work. Obviously, if staff if the commission has a different direction that they would prefer staff to take, I’m
Unknown Speaker 20:27
willing to entertain that. Yeah. Okay. I have. Well, if we light fixtures, I think if it were a question of, for example, replacing the light fixture that’s by the walk door right now on the west side of the building with something as proposed, you know, that’s pretty minor. Adding four brand new light fixtures in places that didn’t exist before, gets a little stickier because that would change the, you know, their perception of the building. So I have I have a little tiny bit of heartburn over that. The gutter thing I don’t entirely understand. Because the so you’re talking about guttering the building itself as parapets on three sides and drains to the south. So you’re talking about trying to basically gutter the little bitty roof that is over the cornice trim on the north and west side. Basically what you see here, the white at the very top sort of steps down because it’s not guttering. I mean, there’s a roof there’s a parapet so the water drains what we have seen in there the parapet is just really shallow. So water keeps pouring out over the roof right over the parapet. It’s not really for intended for the trim, it’s actually intended for the actual roof. Any of that acts excess water, especially when we get quite a bit of downpour is just again to help with the building and maintain its longevity. Right? So when when it ties back into the downspout on the southwest corner, it’s not going to be even that tie in is not going to be visible then. Right? Because what I what I would want to avoid is some little stub of a gutter that just sort of breaks out across the building and dumps it weirdly into the downspout. Right?
Unknown Speaker 22:20
I would have to look on the actual West Side
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is one of those devil in the details, right? Is there is a gutter on the south side already. So the plan is to tie into the gutter and the downspout at the location that they already are. Right. So the gutter is above this cornice trim detail it’s
Unknown Speaker 22:45
at the parapet level basically Correct. Okay.
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Okay.
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I’m glad you noticed the storm when the windows not being replaced, I would say. And this is sort of a hot button because we just went through a pretty substantial process with a particular landmark home owned by an individual here. And based on what at least I can see from walking around the building. If this were a homeowner who came in and said I want to replace these windows, we would say no, you’re not allowed to these need to be repaired based on the standard. So I would say there ought to be a exceedingly high bar for for replacement, especially this being a city owned property because obviously the optics of the city replacing a window and their own building when they just refused someone else’s ability to do that as a private citizen would be a bad look. And I was just gonna say we were completely aware of that, that discussion with that homeowner.
Unknown Speaker 23:57
What we did at Callahan house, because we did have the Windows came out and they just fell apart. We rebuilt them using the same material in the same style. So that is what the plan is. Yeah. Yeah. That’s that’s what we would expect and see. And based on what I’ve seen, I think that’s seems entirely plausible, right? Okay.
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There’s another
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note in the addendum
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that talks about replacing broken glass with a U factor of point three, two, and I wondered how that’s going to happen. If you’re replacing single pane glass, aren’t you just going to need to replace single pane glass or as there are places where there are insulated glass panels in there. So with that, we wanted to there’s some areas that have this wire mesh, and those are the areas that if we needed to, we would do it with that point through too.
Unknown Speaker 25:00
Okay, but most of those, those historical windows that are actually shown on the pictures, they would be just single pane. Right. So we wouldn’t be able to accomplish that. Correct. Right. So I just want to make sure we weren’t ripping apart windows and trying to stuff a double insulated glass panel. Okay, thank you.
Unknown Speaker 25:25
There was also a question in the, in the addendum about, and you mentioned this. So I just want to clarify in the addendum, it says clarify whether the replacement of the crown trim above the western North doors would be acceptable. And the response was yes, using a species match. But I would tend to say, no, that it’s not, again, the
Unknown Speaker 25:53
the the materials should be repaired, not replaced based on its condition, unless it’s really mush. That’s what it is just just in case it does take we take it down and it falls apart, then it needs to be replaced with the like, okay. Okay. But otherwise, it’s just yeah, it’s restoring what is there, I just, I just want to make sure that we’re here, we’re hired. Again, this is a city owned building, we need to be, you know, adhering to the highest of standards, right? Because we hold other people to them, we ought not to be too lacks in Oh, well, yeah, sure. If you want if it’s easier, or it’s cost effective to replace it, that’s not enough, right? We want to make sure that we’re emphasizing
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those standards. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 26:47
Okay, so I think I’m in pretty good shape, other than I still have a little heartburn over the over the added lighting fixtures and wonder if there’s not a way to add some additional lumens, to those, Eric to those entry areas without installing new light fixtures that really sort of look historically, which is the kind of thing we try to avoid here, in terms of, you know, misrepresenting how a building used to look, right, because again, I think, probably if someone else came here, as a private homeowner and our building owner and wanted to do this, I feel like there would be some pushback, at least from me. And we can, we don’t have to put those light fixtures and we don’t need to put all of those light fixtures in. And looking back historically. That is like that was the design back in the 1900s was the lights on either side, we don’t have to do that just just hearing comments from staff is that they want as many as much lighting out there as possible, again, that sidewalk could get dark with, especially with those little jelly jars that they have out there. Right, I can see that 100% Right. But maybe I guess I would encourage you to look at an alternate solution that maybe finds a way to add lighting in a way that maybe just isn’t visible from the street. Like I think it would be okay to add, you know, an LED fixture in the corner somewhere, you know, the lower trim like door openings, right, that just shine down and lit and wasn’t visible from the street. And so that the the view when you look at an old because you’re gonna see this historic picture, right, you’ve got one right up on the screen, you look at that picture, there’s no light fixture there. Right. You can light it without having that light fixture added. And I think that would be a much better
Unknown Speaker 28:42
scenario. That would so that would be my recommendation, we can surely Look at that. Thank you. I do appreciate you listening to all my detailed comments.
Unknown Speaker 28:52
Great. All right now now I’ve opened I’ve opened the floodgates here. So
Unknown Speaker 28:59
let’s see. Commissioner Barnard. Let me get to you first. Good. I’m just curious because you were talking about it. And in the old picture in between the two fire trucks up straight up
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is a triangular thing.
Unknown Speaker 29:17
A bell? Is that a bell? And that was for ringing the bell. Okay, letting them know there was a fire or somebody rang the bell and everybody ran into their into the fire trucks. Okay. Looks like a bell. I just Yeah, I was wondering it was about or maybe you could put a bell up there with a light in it.
Unknown Speaker 29:42
So would look like the old picture of the bell but it would shed it would throw light? We can let’s see what we can find just an idea. Yep. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 29:51
Yeah, exploring other options. Certainly. I could add that too. I think that’s a that’s a creative way of saying, you know, looking at again at historic photos and saying is there a way
Unknown Speaker 30:00
Ready to do this in such a way that would represent more accurately what’s happening while still acknowledging that? You know, and in Condesa 60 watt bulb is not sufficient for today’s world. Right. And see, Mayor pack did you have come in?
Unknown Speaker 30:22
All right, well, there we go. There’s an energy over there. All right. Well, I very much appreciate that. Any other comments or questions? No. Okay. Thank you for coming down here and bringing all this to our attention and again, allowing me to
Unknown Speaker 30:40
voice some some thoughts. Yep, totally. And if you guys run into any questions, any problems just give us Yeah, we’re always around. Okay, thanks. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 30:54
Okay, next we have CLG update.
Unknown Speaker 31:20
Well, hi, everybody. I’m Lindsay fle welling the certified local government coordinator at history, Colorado. And thanks for having me. I’m just going to say a few words about the CLG program and some of the benefits and responsibilities. And then a couple of other things that we have going on at History Colorado currently.
Unknown Speaker 31:38
But essentially, the certified local government program is a partnership program between the National Park Service the State Historic Preservation Office, and your local government preservation program. So the certified part is that the Park Service and the Shippo have certified your program is fitting in with federal and state parameters for preservation programs. My understanding is that Longmont was our first cog in Colorado since 1985. There are currently 67 CLGs in the state, and then about 2100 nationwide. So we have a pretty robust program for a state of our size.
Unknown Speaker 32:14
For the benefits of the CLG program. The big one is the CLG grants. The State Historic Preservation Office has some federal funding that we’re required to sub grantor certified local governments each year. So we, since we have the State Historical fund to provide a match are able to offer no match grants to our CLGs. It’s for projects of up to $25,000. For things that benefit your local preservation program like preservation planning, surveys, design guidelines, education outreach projects, and things like that historic context studies, anything that’s like directly beneficial to your sort of administration of your preservation program. Those are due every January like 15th, or the nearest Monday or Tuesday, if it falls on, like the day after Martin Luther King Day.
Unknown Speaker 33:04
But the applications for that come out in October. And I’m always happy to talk about potential grant projects if you have any ideas. CLGs are also able to apply for National Park Service grants for historic preservation. They have some survey and like nominations grants that they offer, but they also offer physical construction grants as well.
Unknown Speaker 33:27
This is a little bit more of an intimidating application process. Unfortunately, grants.gov is not the most user friendly, but they do have great programs that CLGs can apply for.
Unknown Speaker 33:40
And then the other big benefit is that you’re local you landmark properties and contributing properties and local historic districts are able to get the state residential and commercial tax credits, which are currently at 25% of qualified rehabilitation expenditures. And the residential tax credits, Jennifer reviews, so your property owners can just go to her for a sort of a one stop shop on those tax credits, and then any commercial properties would come through our office and Sarah capitals, our tax credit and incentive specialist. And then of course, they’re also eligible for State Historical fund grants if the property has a public benefit.
Unknown Speaker 34:22
Along with that, there’s access to training we have scholarships for saving places and NAPC forum and some other educational opportunities every year. Then I also do a monthly webinar series on different topics in preservation. I think the one this month is on
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defensible decision making and commission member ethics and then we’ll have one next month on
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Colorado main streets and CLGs. And then the one in June is a discussion, sort of an open discussion amongst CLGs for LGBTQ plus resources in your local area. So if any of those come to mind, it’d be great to have sort of dialogue
Unknown Speaker 35:00
How to approach those resources especially because they can be kind of hidden in your local communities.
Unknown Speaker 35:08
As far as responsibility goes, the main responsibility is to enforce your own local preservation ordinance. And that’s a big part of my job is to just make sure the local governments are following their own ordinances. establish and maintain a commission, you don’t have a problem with that send meeting minutes to the CSR preservation office, you guys are some of the best at that. And Maria does a great job.
Unknown Speaker 35:31
Really enjoy reading your minutes.
Unknown Speaker 35:34
provide for adequate public participation, which I know you generally have pretty active public participation, maintain a system of survey and inventory. One person from your commission needs to attend one training at least once per year. So going to saving places or any of the webinars and things like that, submit an annual report, which Jennifer does every November, and then every four years is your CLG evaluation. So what that entails is me attending a commission meeting. After this, I’ll schedule a staff meeting. And we’ll just talk about the Preservation Program and sort of the direction that you’re you’re going for the next couple of years. And then I also review all of the minutes that we have on file for the last four years, any annual reports and other things that we have on file history, Colorado.
Unknown Speaker 36:22
So with that, that’s yeah, essentially the benefits and responsibilities for the CLG program. And then I also wanted to mention our Colorado heritage for all program that we have going on right now. The goal is to get 150 sites on the state register, that are associated with underrepresented communities by Colorado’s 100 and 50th birthday, which is in 2026. So very soon,
Unknown Speaker 36:48
but I know that our state national register historian actually grew up in Longmont. So he’s pretty familiar with the different resources here.
Unknown Speaker 36:57
Yeah, that’s great. So he’s coming by next week. But yeah, he is really interested in the Tower of compassion and the Buddhist temple as resources associated with underrepresented communities. And then I personally am really interested in knowing if there’s any resources associated with the sugar mill workers. We talked to Boulder County staff, and they weren’t aware of any like neighborhoods or other resources other than the actual sugar black mill site. But if there is anything I know, like both Greeley and Fort Morgan, and then also Montrose have, like, residential neighborhoods that were associated with workers. So I just think it’s really cool. I can see these patterns across the state. And I just get excited about that. So yeah, I’m here as a resource for you. If you ever need anything, feel free to reach out or have Jennifer reach out and happy to answer any questions.
Unknown Speaker 37:52
Great, thank you. Any questions from commissioners?
Unknown Speaker 37:58
mayor, Mayor Peck?
Unknown Speaker 38:01
Thank you. I’m really happy that you mentioned the sugar mill area.
Unknown Speaker 38:07
And probably the commissioners can answer this since I’m pretty new to all of this.
Unknown Speaker 38:13
Is the exterior of the those buildings considered? Historical?
Unknown Speaker 38:20
I know the interior is going to be redone. But
Unknown Speaker 38:26
I would think so. I mean, I’ve only right, you know, seen it driving by and stuff. But you could certainly have a determination of eligibility on those from our state national register historian. Okay, that might be worth looking at. Thank you. I’m sure he would be excited to do anything online. Good.
Unknown Speaker 38:45
Thanks,
Unknown Speaker 38:47
Commissioner Barnard. I mean, this has come up a couple of times. And the report that we got last time, there was a consultant here to talk about the sugar mill.
Unknown Speaker 38:58
We were I got I was left with the impression that we didn’t have much say about what was going on with the sugar mill.
Unknown Speaker 39:08
And somebody else might have gotten a different impression. But I, it was more a question of informing us as to what the current situation was, for instance, it went on the ballot, and we didn’t have nobody came to us and said, What do you think of the ballot measure? And that would have proceeded along without any any comment from us. So
Unknown Speaker 39:32
you know, I would be
Unknown Speaker 39:35
I would be happy. In fact, I’ve asked about it several times. We was recent meetings. I asked when we could expect an update to kind of bring us current, not for approval, because I thought we didn’t have that, but more for just what’s going on and give us an idea. So I think Mary, my answer is that you
Unknown Speaker 40:00
Go back to the minutes and look, but we’ve been told that we were not involved in any approval for Chevron. It’s in your growth area, but not actually in city limits is my understanding. That’s correct. It isn’t a is part that general area is part of an unincorporated Boulder County enclave. So we don’t there definitely, there are some inter inter governmental coordination factors in there. But I can touch base with Tonisha Cohen, who’s our redevelopment manager who’s handling that particular project, it’s, for lack of better way of putting it, it’s there a lot of cats that have to be herded on that project. So,
Unknown Speaker 40:40
you know, as a city as a city of Longmont, because it’s not under our jurisdiction, we really can’t. And it’s also it’s not under our ownership. But most importantly, it’s not under our jurisdiction, we really can’t go out and proactively landmark it until it’s in our jurisdiction, basically, based on my conversation with Boulder County staff, they’re interested in learning more about the history of the sugar mill. So if that’s something you wanted to kind of collaborate with them on, I think that that might be beneficial to both places. I think that there’s a lot of history online, of the sugar mill. And because, you know, and I think Tony’s got a boatload of stuff that because he when he presented to us, He gave us a lot of the history of it. You know, if we can do anything, I’m sure we’re all interested in the project. And for many of us, it abuts our neighborhoods. So we’re concerned about what happens there. But I don’t think that’s as private citizens, I don’t think is, you know, I think Jennifer’s clarified that’s not within our jurisdiction. Right. Right. Now, having said that, there has been sort of a long standing sort of courtesy, information passing through. So as projects develop, maybe start making their way through the city into a planning commission hearing or something of that note, nature, then, you know, it’s, it can be appropriate to reach out, get,
Unknown Speaker 42:12
you know, Tony or someone else to make a little presentation, give us an update. I mean, I think that’s sort of just a courtesy. And I think we
Unknown Speaker 42:20
would like to be extended that courtesy at any opportunity, right at any appropriate opportunity. Right? Yeah, I would say that as there is movement on on those properties, we would definitely, I would definitely coordinate with with Tony and his staff, Tony’s office is next door to mine. So coordination is pretty easy.
Unknown Speaker 42:40
I would definitely, you know, coordinate with him to get him or the appropriate person here to provide an update and get any feedback that you might have. Thank you. See Commissioner Fenster.
Unknown Speaker 42:55
Who, who does have jurisdiction?
Unknown Speaker 42:59
It’s in over Sugarmill unincorporated Boulder County. So as a government entity, they would be the ones who have oversight. So it is the Boulder County government.
Unknown Speaker 43:11
I assume they realize that they have jurisdiction. They do. It’s one of it’s one of a number of unincorporated county enclaves within the city of Longmont are within the Longmont planning area. And we do have an intergovernmental agreement with Boulder County that that addresses enclaves. And
Unknown Speaker 43:31
basically, it’s we’re encouraged to annex them as as feasible.
Unknown Speaker 43:37
Have they done anything to exercise that jurisdiction? In other words, who is managing that particular physical plant? It’s under private ownership? So yeah, these are privately owned, these are privately owned properties. Hence, my my comment about hurting a lot of cats. Because there, there are actually multiple owners within this area. So so it’s under the jurisdiction of Boulder County, but it’s under the ownership of set of private entities have have they indicated that they want to redevelop it or on the other hand, would they be interested in donating it? There is depth there have there are long standing active discussions about
Unknown Speaker 44:24
redevelopment of these properties, rehabilitation, adaptive reuse, just trying to figure out a use that makes sense. So it’s there are ongoing discussions that have been happening for several years now. So it’s a very it’s very much a long term redevelopment planning process, to the extent that you know, have any of them involve the historic preservation of the physical plant itself. There are definitely discussions about pressor preservation of the exteriors of the of the properties
Unknown Speaker 45:00
To what extent I’m not 100% Certain, I know there is a desire to maintain that character.
Unknown Speaker 45:07
But there, there are some contamination issues they have to deal with as well. So it’s a very multifaceted property and redevelopment.
Unknown Speaker 45:18
Redevelopment endeavor. But in currently, it’s, you know, it’s been a lot of
Unknown Speaker 45:24
behind the scenes work for the last several years. So it’s
Unknown Speaker 45:29
yeah, we have a redevelopment manager who is very actively involved and engaged with those property owners in terms of trying to figure out, you know, financing strategies and your redevelopment strategies and figuring out users and you know, brownfields redevelopment, brownfields, remediation, and all of that. So there are quite a few layers to that particular property. And it’s definitely being worked through, it’s not at risk of being demolished. Is it not? To my knowledge?
Unknown Speaker 46:08
Who would know?
Unknown Speaker 46:11
I mean, I haven’t seen any haven’t seen any referrals that have come through. So
Unknown Speaker 46:16
it’s a discussion that would, you know, we’d be aware of, but at this point, I’m not aware of any any risks at this point.
Unknown Speaker 46:28
Boulder County also automatically reviews any properties that are proposed to be demolished that are 50 years of age or older. So same review. Oh, yeah. Okay. So wouldn’t just happen overnight or anything? Yeah, there’s definitely a process in there. There are many different processes underway at this point.
Unknown Speaker 46:49
Thank you, I had a couple of small questions. You mentioned the webinars, is there a way we can get that link passed on so that we can just, I do apologize, I thought I did not realize you weren’t on the mailing list. So I will make sure I get this forwarded to you. Great, thank you. And then my ears perked up quite substantially when you started talking about no match grants for things like preservation plans and surveys and things. So we absolutely have, you know, goals and aspirations here, too. I mean, we’re, we’re gonna serve a plan right now. Then we’ll need to follow up that plan with surveying, write documentation.
Unknown Speaker 47:31
And then, you know, hopefully, bigger picture goal, a preservation plan, you know, for the city that could fall in line with the rest of the master plans that are that are here. So the grants you’re talking about, what did you did I hear $1 amount was at 25, to 25,000. So I would say, if you’re doing you’re certainly welcome to apply for the CLG grants for preservation plan, but costs level State Historical Fund might be more appropriate, because they even though they require a match, they can cover, you know, larger dollar amount. But that amount would be a good amount for surveying, if we had when we identified if we can get some, if the survey planning can get completed in a time, you know,
Unknown Speaker 48:18
third quarter or something like that of this year, and we can identify, you know, our serving priorities, and then have a grant application in January to fund the continuing movement of that plan. That would seem like a pretty good. Yeah, that’d be great. And certainly in your grant application, right. You know, our number one priority was this project. And hopefully, your consultant can also kind of break up projects into that, like, $25,000 bite size amount to make it logical for the grant. Right. Perfect. Great. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 48:58
Any other questions or comments?
Unknown Speaker 49:04
Yeah, I’ll get I’ll get it sent to everyone. And that’s, that’s what I meant, if I didn’t, if I wasn’t clear about that. So that was my intention. Sorry.
Unknown Speaker 49:16
Go Great. Thanks for having me. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 49:22
Okay, and then last item of new business would be a discussion about solar panels as they relate to sustainability in historic preservation.
Unknown Speaker 49:34
Yeah, so this was, this was an item I talked with Chairman Layne about. We had a proposal I had a I had an inquiry last month from a homeowner who was interested in doing a solar Roof roofing system on an accessory building and they’re in their property. They’ve since decided not to do that and just do a standard roof just do a regular
Unknown Speaker 50:00
reroof but given the discussion topics at saving places conference this year, given that I don’t think that’s going to be the first time that we’re going to have such a request,
Unknown Speaker 50:14
you know, there is a, you know, there’s an increasing push for sustainability for renewable resources. I wanted to just,
Unknown Speaker 50:22
I want to say plant the seed, but you know, start the discussion among the Commission, as far as if we get these
Unknown Speaker 50:30
requests in, how do you prefer to handle them, because we don’t have anything in our code specifically. And we we don’t have our own guidelines. So I, I included some sustainability guidelines from the Secretary of Interior, relating to sustainability with a section on solar panels in your packet for this month.
Unknown Speaker 50:54
Really as
Unknown Speaker 50:56
to provoke some thoughts as it were, if, you know,
Unknown Speaker 51:01
if it’s the opinion that this commission should just follow those Secretary of Interior guidelines do we want to develop our own? I think one of the interesting and I don’t wanna say challenges, but one of the interesting features is that there’s so many new products coming out now. So it’s not just the, you know, big slab sitting on your roof. But, you know, what I’ve seen from city of Denver, from the Secretary of Interior standards from a few other places is, typically the the regulation of the panel’s has more to do with the location and the
Unknown Speaker 51:36
projection as it were, on on the roof, whether or not it’s visible from the street.
Unknown Speaker 51:43
You know, so that’s really something I just wanted to bring to the Commission’s attention, and just have some discussion about and get some feedback.
Unknown Speaker 51:52
Great. Thank you, commissioners, any thoughts? or additional questions?
Unknown Speaker 51:58
Commissioner burner.
Unknown Speaker 52:01
Just because I don’t believe in reinventing when wheels, I’d be very comfortable. We want to maybe have a presentation on the Secretary, the interiors,
Unknown Speaker 52:16
guidelines, and then after the presentation would be supportive of a motion to use them going forward. If that’s something that the staff thinks would be a good idea to have on record, rather, I think the upside of that is rather than waiting until somebody comes in before us, and then it looks like we’re kind of guessing what we’re supposed to do.
Unknown Speaker 52:44
Good point, Commissioner Fenster.
Unknown Speaker 52:47
Yeah, I, I would be interested in our providing some guidelines in advance, by way of encouraging the use with those historic preservation related guidelines. In other words, I would love to see as to something Affirmative.
Unknown Speaker 53:14
Which accomplishes both the historic preservation objective and the
Unknown Speaker 53:22
use use objectives.
Unknown Speaker 53:30
Which are said, yep.
Unknown Speaker 53:32
I don’t really have a whole lot to add to that, other than the fact that yes, I, I am like in total support, I’ve, I feel like, you know, getting Sustainable Energy Resources integrated in. That’s great. So I’m glad to see this topic coming up. So that was it.
Unknown Speaker 53:53
Yeah, so I’m wondering, I’m also in favor of keeping things simple. If we’ve got guidelines from, you know, the interior secretary standards, which we seem to have, then that’s how we judge everything else. Right. So, but, but perhaps, it’s worth
Unknown Speaker 54:14
creating, you know, for lack of a better word, a little flyer, right. Like, when sometimes in building departments and probably even planning departments, you have little right, you have little to one page or two page diagrams that that sort of illustrate commonly encountered issues, right, just for everyone’s clarity, if we had pull instead of making somebody go find this, right, if we had the material that’s already existed, just kind of combined into two or three pages, a little handout that that you can send an email to somebody who says I want to think I’m thinking about solar, and you could shoot them
Unknown Speaker 55:00
That little document and say this is what the this is what the Secretary of Interior standards say about it. So if you need to comply with that, and the, you know, HPC would end up being the judge if it’s if it even needs to come here. So for example, you know, there’s a building like the firehouse, I guess the parapets are really small. And then I didn’t know that. But a building like the firehouse, a downtown building with parapets and a flat roof, and somebody wants to put a couple solar panels up there. And you can’t even see him from any place. You know, I don’t know that that needs to come to the commission, right? That’s a staff level decision. Somebody wants to slap solar panels on an awning or something like was in one of those pictures in the handout? You know, on a downtown facade, then I think, Okay, wait a minute that needs, you know, that’s a lot more prominent. So that’s, those are my thoughts.
Unknown Speaker 55:51
Let’s see, Mayor Peck.
Unknown Speaker 55:55
Thank you, as I’m looking at these pictures, and I agree on commercial buildings or in downtown, it’s a different thing than when it’s in a residence. So as we learn from the information that we’re going to get back,
Unknown Speaker 56:12
be prepared that if a house is not situated for solar, and it’s turned down because of where it’s located, where’s the equity if the neighbor is allowed to have solar, because their house is situated differently on their lot?
Unknown Speaker 56:30
So I think before we get any said standards, or we need to think about that could be a huge problem.
Unknown Speaker 56:40
Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 56:43
It’s a fair point. I
Unknown Speaker 56:47
I know that you can still get a decent amount of return, even if it’s not purely true south, but there are I’m sure there are circumstances where heavily wooded, and I haven’t really had a chance to go through the standards to see what they say about that sort of thing. But
Unknown Speaker 57:05
yeah, does that seem like a reasonable proposal to for staff to just kind of call I mean, I know, we’re constantly trying to find things for you to do.
Unknown Speaker 57:16
In my copious free time,
Unknown Speaker 57:19
you know, there are a few different resources,
Unknown Speaker 57:22
you know, it’d be easy enough to just clip these pages and have them available.
Unknown Speaker 57:29
I can always as an information item, for next month’s meeting, I can just include the city of Denver has a pretty robust section of guidelines on their,
Unknown Speaker 57:41
for their solar panels. And in their case, they do allow them on the street side, in some case, some cases, but the issue, you know, their guidelines are that they do not go all the way to the edge of the eave, they not have a really high projection that they’d be a bit as flush as possible. And I think you’re seeing now that there are a lot of, you know, roof systems that are almost completely flush. So I think you’re gonna start seeing just increasing increasingly compatible products out there. But I can definitely include a link include the Denver guidelines in the next packet.
Unknown Speaker 58:22
I think that’d be worthwhile if you could do that. And just even just cut out the few pages that are associated with solar here to where it’s just a simple makes it easier for us to just parse through some of the information. I think that would be really helpful and a worthwhile discussion, is it Denver’s got they’ve got a really nice, robust, they’ve got some really robust guidelines on for sustainability.
Unknown Speaker 58:48
Great.
Unknown Speaker 58:51
Okay, so I don’t think we need to vote on anything today when there’s no motion or need, but let’s just continue that conversation. Any other comments on that particular issue? No.
Unknown Speaker 59:02
All right. Well, thank you for putting that together. And I agree it’s worth getting getting in front of for sure.
Unknown Speaker 59:11
Okay.
Unknown Speaker 59:16
Let’s see, then we have prior business. So a recap of the retreat.
Unknown Speaker 59:23
That is something I’m really going to turn over to the commission to refer to we had our retreat minutes in the packet as well, in terms of updates.
Unknown Speaker 59:35
The survey plan is in progress. So I should have some deliverables hopefully the next by the May meeting or at least some something in draft form.
Unknown Speaker 59:46
So that, you know, we’re definitely making progress towards that for sure. So
Unknown Speaker 59:52
and then we’ve got the proclamation going for historic preservation month as well. So been in communication with our
Unknown Speaker 1:00:00
The communications team. So for preservation month if there are items you come across, particularly that are relevant to Longmont, if there are some events or something you’re aware of send them my way. And I will see if we can get them pushed out on social media as well to raise you know, keep keep the awareness going. Okay, thank you. Any commissioners comments? Commissioner Varner.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:25
I’m not sure how much work this is. I don’t want to be careful asking Jennifer about it. But I think it would be nice if we had some sort of a recap of the meet a summary of the meeting. Now, I have some AI that can do that.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:43
If you want, I can send Jennifer an AI draft, and she can look at it, and then go from there. I just think if we go back to the retreat, it takes about some time to go through it all. It’s a lot of it’s repetitive.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:57
And so but I think if we had something where we had a page that we could refer back to every once in a while once, and just had one or two page summary of what what happened, and what decisions were made. And also, in other words, what is it what we’re going to we’re going forward on the survey, for instance. And then what things were put on what we’re going to watch this, and then what things we just say deferred into some future time, I think that’d be a helpful document to be that we could use as a working document.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:37
But I don’t know how, you know, I know that staff is overwhelmed with what they have. So like it, if you want I’ll be glad to process something and send it to you, Senator staff. I think we’ll accept your volunteering.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:57
Yeah, please send that my way. And I’ll take a look at it and massage it as necessary and include that with the May packet.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:05
Thank you, Commissioner. Any other comments on the retreat?
Unknown Speaker 1:02:10
Okay, thanks. I do appreciate you putting that together for us again, and I think it was was a productive session.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:19
Okay, comments from any commissioners, anybody have anything else they got none.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:26
I do have one, that’s just a reminder that I will actually not be here for the May session,
Unknown Speaker 1:02:34
I’m going to be in a in a place where things are actually really, really, really old.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:41
So hopefully, roam. Oh.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:50
So Commissioner Norton, as vice chair should be chairing the meeting. I’m happy to get with her. In the meantime, you know, before that, if, and I can reach out to her separately, just to be sure that she’s got everything she needs to run that meeting. But just a note of reminder.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:10
All right, thank you. Let’s see. Mayor pack. Do you have any comments for us?
Unknown Speaker 1:03:17
I just want to apologize for not being at the retreat. I planned on going but life comes in and disrupts things. So I couldn’t be there. And I’m very happy to read all of these minutes. It sounds like it was incredibly interesting. I also was called by Matthew Bennett, for some comments on the tower of compassion. So who knows if he’ll use him, but
Unknown Speaker 1:03:46
that’s it. That’s all I’ve got. Okay, great. Thank you. We are at the end of our agenda. So I will entertain a motion to adjourn.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:58
Okay, motion moved by Commissioner Sibley seconded by Commissioner Fenster. All those in favor, aye. We are adjourned. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
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