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Water Advisory Board – January 2024
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Unknown Speaker 0:01
Yes, Tom Lester. Scott Horwich. Here.
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Roger leg. Renee Davis
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your Dan loafer.
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Wes Lowry here.
Speaker 1 0:12
Kevin voted here. Bartlett here Christopher MacIntyre is here. Eric O’Brien and Alex, What’s
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your last name?
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In New York a
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sincere councilmember Martin here. Cheerio forum.
Speaker 2 0:32
All right, great. Let’s start with the approval of previous month’s minutes. Any questions or comments about the minutes? Motion to second, it’s been moved in second. All those all in favor say aye. Aye. All right.
Speaker 3 1:05
Following the same grants one was 21 CFS gauges reporting is right down but what’s the point five years historic average 14 and a half CFS for the state column zipline Creek it is foothills, which has a priority data set and currently, there’s no calls in the South Platte River. Rough price reservoir map preserves elevation 63 93.6 which is approximately 6.3 feet down and approximately 14,000 acre feet the storage which is approximately 1300 acre. Unit reservoirs current dedicate try pulling through 160 9781 acre feet which is down approximately 27 acre. Slug St. Green grant basically those wars at the end of December was 74% of full. This time last year was worth 69%. So we’re doing better than we were last year at the same time. Lastly, starting in January or January we typically start reporting snowpack at all levels. Keep in mind these ingredients are still pretty early. The Colorado River headwaters snowpack equivalent is right now 100% So we can get there. And it’s st Greg snowpack, a lot of snow.
Unknown Speaker 2:50
Oh my god.
Unknown Speaker 2:52
I would say anybody got snow flying
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in Fraser. Within by day 61st
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The patch was closed
Unknown Speaker 3:12
any questions for Kevin? numbers increase a concept? Yeah, there
Unknown Speaker 3:27
okay, Dan,
Unknown Speaker 3:32
what’s happening?
Unknown Speaker 3:37
Marches first, we’ll hear you later. Sounds good. All right. Like I want to hear everyone’s story. Okay, what would you like to be heard?
Speaker 4 3:51
So first, before we jump to presentation by Eric O’Brien I did want to introduce Alex Merkley. Alex is taking the new water resource analyst online he’s gonna take it over Nelson Tipton was previously doing today’s his first day he’s born and raised native went to CSU this degree and Watership science and geography. Just completed a six month internship with the city of Greeley.
Unknown Speaker 4:39
So, welcome.
Unknown Speaker 4:43
Fortunately, you don’t move around the room.
Speaker 4 4:53
So, what we wanted to do today is have Eric O’Brien he’s here to come and share, share a little PowerPoint presentation with this week, very short. So this is kind of in response to we’ve, you’ve heard Water Resources staff talk about a model that we’ve been using to determine historic water, non historic water, how much deficit is still out there. And some of that information is what will be probably helpful to know as we continue to evaluate the future cash and new water is receding. So what we wanted to do is just keep mentioning this model. And so we’re going to Eric’s gonna go through kind of where we were in 2019, we were still having to update the numbers. And I don’t want to steal his thunder. But that’s kind of the the TF and I’ll let Eric and And
Speaker 5 5:56
hello, everyone I know, I’ve met pretty much everybody from the city side, it’s nice to meet all of you who sit on the board. I’ve been here working for the city in the GIS capacity for over 11 years. And I’ve done quite a bit of support for the water board. But basically, what I wanted to show you is just a few slides on how calculations are done, we’re not going to talk about them in depth, but show you kind of just a short history of how GIS is supported Wes and Ken and the whole team. And that, you know, we have the ability to lots of things and politically wise based on the information that they receive from water rights and things that come in to the city to annexation. So, first
Speaker 5 6:51
so before I got here, this actually says GIS data 2004, I understand there was a first study. And these are some of the things this is an example of what they use to determine what was available within the city’s planning area. So as you can see, there’s lots of green, which are parcels that are available either to be annexed or purchased or used for whatever purpose at that time, and that’s what the study was for them. There was very little it was owned by say, a Boulder County or other organizations that you know, would impact or there would be difficulty, say getting water from those resources. So this is basically from what I know the most historic information you have for this type of study and analysis. So in 2018, a couple of my staff members took it upon themselves after they had a request from Nelson Tipton and Wes and Kenan group, to do them do more detailed study. Again, it’s based on a long month planning area. But as you can see, in this representation, there’s a lot less green, a lot of things happened over 14 years. So the available water for the time when the city gets to build out, was reduced. So this year, I’ve been approached again by cannon West, we’re going to go ahead and go to the next slide. We’re going to help them do another analysis and this analysis. So when we go through a look at all this information, it’s always done on a parcel level, there’s no, you know, real over will say overarching way to look at this data, you have to look at it at each individual annex how that annex is being developed. What are the parcels that the city doesn’t have within annex or the area itself helping the LPA or use that acronym too much? That’s available for you. So we have to actually look at, you know, what’s being annexed? What historically comes with it hasn’t been developed yet. Has there been the cash in lieu of or other things met for that property? And, you know, we have to take all in consideration for any of the numbers can start to come together. scuze
Speaker 6 9:22
me just because it’s going to be hard to interpret. Is the yellow border, the
Speaker 5 9:27
periphery? That sort of portion of the LPA? Yes. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 9:31
As opposed to the city limits? Correct.
Speaker 2 9:35
Now, did you question I was gonna ask them, the bigger one. You have city limits depicted?
Speaker 5 9:42
We can depict them in there? Yes. I mean, it’s estimated for reference for whatever particular discussion that you know, the Water Resources team is going to have with everybody, whether it’s the board and others. We can put all that information in there. And there’s other anomalies that are not showed on This particular are shown, I should say, on this particular image that, you know, we’re going to include as well if need be. So, you know, there’s not it’s not all pieces of property are not equal when it comes to determining what the amount of water should be from that property that the city has access to. So
Speaker 2 10:20
just one last little line on the top. That that’s 66. Right there. Right through is any of the property above 66 in the stadiums.
Speaker 4 10:33
So So yes, there is Verizon, there’s there’s a few. So Walmart it’s an extended the city limits, to the furthest out plotted squares eek annexation, which was just north of 66, and east of overrode extended, that’s been annex for like 20 years, it just has never been developed. But what happened is what you’ll see if you go back and forth between the oh four and 18, again, they’re in that type Boulder County quad a lot of open space. So in 2004, it was still eligible to be annexed. But with Boulder County, the bottom put a conservation easement, that we it was a fair assumption to say that land was not going to be further developed. And so that’s what happened in 2018, as we tried to get a little better accurate estimate of what would be coming into law. And so in 20, it’s going to be 2024, really the end of 2023. We’re going to go in there in further detail. Where do we look at today, because there’s no other open space acquisitions, both by the city and by the county, we’re going to look at what is actually annexed. And what is actually planted were developed between this this time and the end of last year. And so one thing that you’ll notice between the 2004 and the 2018. There’s one more area between the 2004. And the 2018 is a huge area, we’ve been trying to geographically lump areas. And you’ll see it here a couple of slides why we need to do that. But it’s likely that for the 2004 revision, we’ll probably have another area 11 Or area 12. Because what these two attempts did, it didn’t address all the stuff in the middle, we know that there’s areas that aren’t highlighted in this layer in 2018, but still exist, that have been annexed, but still have outstanding deficits. So we can give you a couple of any enclave annexation that’s occurred. Since we’ve done to the season two major enclaves one to 2004, and one or one in 1990, and then one in 2004. Every annexation has its own unique deficit, and some historical water that they bring to the table. And so we want to, we’re going to try to make 2024 as updated as accurate as possible, we’re going to try to, in addition to updating all these existing areas, go in there and get the other ones that weren’t really included, albeit small, we want to go through those. And again, they have to go through parcel by parcel. And that’s where Eric is going to come in, because we’re gonna have to pull these areas match into the annexation maps, and the plat maps. So we can really get down to a real high level detail of calculating what outstanding deficits are going to be. So the point of all this is it’s been evolving. It’s went from 2004, which was a great attempt for us to make a first stab 20 years ago to understand what’s out there. Well, water rights are out there that are going to come to us through the annexation process. And then therefore what’s going to be left in 2018 We see a lot of changes. The biggest was always open space acquisitions, huge notice impact, and then we’ll see what happens with the 2020 2014. But it’s it’s it’s something that’s going to take us months to do from a staffing standpoint, and then just trying to be very detail oriented to not just do a broad brush but to try to
Unknown Speaker 14:30
question but I’ll ask Margaret because there’s a conservation easement.
Speaker 6 14:46
So I have a couple of questions that may be stealing your thunder. There’s a new super IgA, like underway. Is this what the planning area is going to be? Is after that’s adopted? Or are you going to get a new one sometime this year? That’s something
Speaker 4 15:05
that will that is to be determined. So what we’re showing here is we’re only showing is what was as of 2019. So we’re not yet making any assumptions as to what it’s going to look like. That’ll be part of the conversation is what should be included. Okay.
Speaker 6 15:21
And then to Rogers point, when you go over the things that are under conservation easements, the best I can understand that, given that we’ve got some people that are deliberately trying to obfuscate the status of conservation, Boulder County Conservation easements in particular. There are conservation easements that were granted before the big Boulder County Open Space, foolish in the form. And those conservation easements are all different, we think. And they were not necessarily intended for to be perpetual. They were a planning tool. And the fight over the Congo Komodo estates parcel is related to that, because there’s a revealed conservation easement that, as I understand it was done so that they could build one house or one septic tank without allowing for houses for asset. So but anyway, the it’s going to be necessary to inventory, not just is it under a conservation easement. But what’s the nature of the conservation easement? Because some of them are eligible to by statute by Boulder County statute payable or Kalium, fee and faxing and, and then the land becomes annex will live online. With fights, apparently, but anyway, and then some of them really are perpetual. And so it’s, if we accidentally code one of those red,
Speaker 4 17:09
it will mess up. And I think that’s where these, I’m going to call it periodic updates are going to come into play, I will see it most likely being whatever the status is of the parcel at a period of time, without projecting what it may be. Because there’s so many things that good you, it’ll probably probably be something we’ll say, as of December 31 2003. Here’s what here’s what we know. And then, you know, in the future, if any of that change will update again, and then we’ll say as of December 31 2,000x, this is what it is. But that’s a conversation that will have to happen to make a lot of future assumptions in, in this, I’m not sure. Those are all those are all vehicles. Well, I
Speaker 6 17:53
would not want to make any assumptions about whether it’s going to be annexed or not. But it would be useful to know whether the each particular easement is dead, dedicated, designated as perpetual, or not.
Speaker 4 18:11
And we may have a color code for that. Yes, the dark purple says and the light purple sad or so
Speaker 7 18:17
I would be interested in as well. been pretty interested in this sort of concept of what does a conservation easement mean anymore? Some high profile issues, etc. And so if we could get I don’t know if we could get some kind of guidance from Boulder County about which ones are potential, which ones aren’t and slightly cheaper or slightly different, or something. Yeah, that may be helpful. The other question that I was going to ask actually, if you go back to the previous slides that shows figure, yeah, there you go. This particular one likes it. For example, if it’s red, it says annexed into the city of Walmart. But that’s so this is like relative to the 2004.
Speaker 4 19:00
This case, 2018. Yes. So
Speaker 7 19:04
so this is how it stands in 2018. But those that are in red, were annexed into the city since that point 2004.
Speaker 4 19:14
That’s correct. You’re trying to describe that. And we know that we have an extra round union reservoir, for example. So even though that that property, probably not going to develop on top of water, we may choose to get a again a better representation of what is truly been annex in the longwise. So there’s just there’s a lot of pieces to this, but we’re just the point. I think the point that we were trying to make though, is this thing evolves over time. We did our best we could and move for updated as good as we thought we could for what we needed to do a 2018 and we’re going to try to take another step that is your
Speaker 2 19:54
you know, really bottom line is in boiling water
Speaker 8 20:00
I have a couple questions. The Read, reading and explain is that to assume that there are no deficits on those or for the annex, and there may be definitely that yet though does it aren’t? Yes, the latter
Speaker 4 20:17
it will slide that will kind of answer the question for years to send out.
Speaker 8 20:25
And use yet another comment, the city of conservation easements, all those that they have acquired, are in perpetuity. And many of the conservation easements that we call her share with Boulder County, it’s written specifically in the contracts, whether there’s an ability to answer that.
Speaker 4 20:45
So there’s a matter of going through every one of those, like
Speaker 8 20:48
the Hayes conservation easement, again, we’ve asked we, the city has gotten to the point of saying, Are you interested in annexation or not. But at some point in time, you may have properties fly up on category three, and some of the Ag properties that conservation easements have not been, you’re gonna end up with an enclave anyhow. And at some point in time,
Unknown Speaker 21:14
require that? What is the output.
Speaker 4 21:17
So an enclave is a situation where the city went in, it’s been annexed surrounds the property, it’s a doughnut hole. And the city doesn’t really have an effective way of enforcing what would be consistent laws and rules relating to that property. So what they did is they went in there and identified different properties a dozen or two each time, and they did an enclave, which is basically it’s kind of referred to as a forcible annexation, we are the ones that initiated the annexation. The difference we’re enclaves for normal annexations is as an enclave, the owner of the property is allowed to retain their historic water, it’s usually a condition of annexation is the transfer of historic water. So they retain that historic water until we further subdivide or develop the property. When they do they transfer the historic, then we calculate the deficit, then they have to figure out how to satisfy that remainder. So we have some anak some enclaves that exist, no historic water. So whenever they subdivided further developing their next two acre footprint, we have some out there that have some historic water, that would likely satisfy their full three acre feet per acre. And we have some that are be a combination, but the primary differences, it’s annex land, but they still have that historic water to use, as they always have. That’s the primary difference from a water resource system.
Unknown Speaker 23:00
Alright, Eric, lots of questions on the slides.
Speaker 5 23:06
So this is representative of the different ways that water comes to us, we look at it and we’re putting it in GIS. And you want to see exactly the way things stand, we will put in things like this. You know, how many acre feet are supposed to be what the deficit was, when it was annexed? If we have the information, how much was paid for by cash in lieu, how much was satisfied by non historical water, we include all information like this on in the dataset that we build to depict these maps. And that’s used as the backbone to supply water resources with the information that they can get them and talk with you as the waterboard about and help, you know, make decisions on the indices. There’s lots more we can do if there’s specific things that are going to be included this year that were not included next year, and we can modify the data set, we can add that information and make it you know, more useful for us waterboard and the Water Resources team on an everyday basis. So
Speaker 4 24:17
So in summary, this is like an XL tracking of the detail within one of those areas, is again, we talked about each annexation has its own unique historic water. And because of that it will have its then unique remaining raw water deficit. So as we’re trying to estimate those parcels that were included in that annexation, what would be left. That’s how we’re going about it and then we also were removing any pieces of ground that previously were religiously eligible but now no longer art because maybe someone went in there and the county or the city and bought it for open Let’s face and put a conservation easement on it, we need to pull that out, we need to make it more accurate to say, it’s not going to develop at this moment in time. So that it’s it’s kind of that level of detail that’s in the background that’s being worked on, that helps us ultimately get to the final, kind of the final number, which we’re really looking at this effort doing is to say, how many acre feet of water when we reasonably expect to have a planning horizon that would not be satisfied through historic water. So in other words, what would be needed for non historic and over cash. So that’s where the nexus to cash loop comes in, you come up with a number, I’ll make up a number 3000 acre feet. And it’s all said and done, you might come up with there’s 3000 acre feet of water, that’s going to happen 3000 acre feet of deficit within the Walmart area, that if we were at sunset horizon would have to be met, then we can then look at what’s the logical available non historic water that might be acquired through the end being transferred through the application the role or policy, and then kind of get a sense of what it may mean? Seems like, we don’t know for sure, because right now, the raw water policy allows the developer to choose to satisfy deficits with either transfer non historic water rights and payment of cash in lieu, they don’t have to pay cash in lieu. And, but we can probably get a reasonable assumption based upon what we know is kind of readily available. How much that might be that’s that’s really where we’re working here to kind of put it in context, overall context, what made her feet might we reasonably expect from now until eternity to get in terms of cash?
Speaker 9 27:09
I have some questions. So my thing is, as I’m hearing you say, very loudly, for us a very loudly, this will help us determine what might be available what what caching is, or what acres are possible for development, which is great. I love it. We’re looking for an answer to that question. I’m also curious, and this is kind of back to the boundary question. I’m curious, also, one of the mandates is for is to worry about water supply. That’s a longer planning horizon, right. And so I would be curious to know, what is the potential demand? Because this, this model also drives men not mistaking, what is the potential of an area that could come into the city, and therefore we have a lot of responsibility to meet that demand? Which is the subtraction of the first part. And the second part, but can you give me a little bit of information on sensitivity of how this is gonna affect the demand model?
Speaker 4 28:02
Yeah, so like the water demand evaluation, the last update we did for that? Well, the first one was done in 1999. And 2000. We did and even before that kind of a formal demand evaluation, then we did a future waterbath valuation in 2012. See, CH two of Hill did an evaluation at that time, that in 2019, we did an update to that. Right. So that’s probably the one board might be most familiar with. And as part of that was also about 14 different water demand. Land use types, right? Well, no, no. Water Use adjustment. Combo, it’s like, there’s things, our demand is going to be influenced by different things. It’s gonna be influenced by water conservation, how can we do a water conservation, it’s gonna be influenced by the weather, it’s gonna be influenced by the state’s administration of waterways. And we got to have an A list. And in that list, we had a range of what we think might be the influence of those. So the last one, again, was done in 2019. The the updates. I don’t know, this thing that Eric is helping us with is going to be one piece that’s going to feed into that overall water demand study. I don’t know when is going to be the next time see that study looked at the sunset horizon and looked at the very end. So unless you have a different very end, I don’t know if it’s going to probably not going to do a new one, but it probably get updated and it might get updated because of maybe we change our LPA or maybe we change our are projected densities are our zoning that would then affect how much water we’re going to use. Now that may or may, depending on what lens we’re looking at, if we’re going to still ask for three acre feet per acre, and we believe that to be sufficient to meet demands that from the lens of how much do we need, we’re still gonna be a 300 foot per acre plant. What? Right, and so there’s, you’re getting into an area that’s gonna go a lot more a lot deeper. Well, and
Speaker 9 30:29
that’s my question kind of is, is, this is going to be an input to that. Yeah. potential demand update. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 30:39
I was just gonna say, I’m gonna be like, you’re going to, I mean, if you want to put a really fine resolution on that, go and get every one of these parcels and say, like, create some scenario about what goes in there, right? It’s the single family homes is like condos, or apartments or something, those are all going to have very different right demand associated with them. So of course, we’re not going to operate at that point of revenue resolution, but you can look at to see at the like, at the total acreage basis, right, and say, Okay, there’s this much. This can be acres that are left to the annex, we’re going to assume that some percentage of that is going to be single family homes, some percentage of that, and you can adjust those percentages. And maybe, oh,
Unknown Speaker 31:23
is that a question? Are you explaining? No, I
Speaker 7 31:25
was just, it was kind of putting out into the ether, I suppose. Like, maybe it’s an explanation. I
Speaker 9 31:31
was just 2000? Well, when the 2000 it
Speaker 4 31:35
was when we did the and so that’s why I was asking if it wasn’t a good 12. And you compare it to 2019. I think there was some finer resolution, let’s call it. And when we did that, the total demand change, I think it reduced by hundreds of acre feet. And it was it was I think it around 32.7 1000. So around 32.7 1003 2700 acre foot was our projected land in 2019, it came into the about 32,500. So what we’re starting to find, and it can change at any given time, we didn’t find her finer, but it’s not going we’re not seeing it going for 40,000 acre flip projection to 30,000. Or for maybe 30 to 526. We’re kinda, we’re getting closer, but the amount that it’s changing is getting less, that’s what we’ve been seeing. And so, but it’s just that it’s a projection. Right? So just
Speaker 8 32:45
thanks for that. Yeah. And I was just gonna say, I’m assuming that you take a lot of what you’ve developed and overlay the Complan. Yes. And that will tell you an approximate strain, what that demand should be in those areas. That’s
Speaker 4 32:59
right. Yeah. And that’s something that really kind of happened in 2019, when we took it the where we took more of the what would be different areas have a different land zoning designation, and then you make an assumption that it’s going to be a certain amount for that designation, and then plug that in there. So yeah, that’s something that the water demand evaluation did in 2019, kind of got a little bit better. You can probably be further refined, but like
Speaker 8 33:28
you said, centuries all the time, and somebody comes in and changes the zoning. Yeah, it’s
Speaker 6 33:36
merger. Yeah, I was gonna ask about those assumptions as well. Because, I mean, if you go back to, you know, 2016, and vision, one mod, it kind of has this assumption that that dance is parts of the city or in the center in the low density on the periphery. And that is no longer the top from either the planners for the council, you know, we’re thinking, well, that’d be dense all the way out. And the new new zones or annexation are much more likely to be residential, mixed neighborhood or residential mixed use. And you shouldn’t assume that because it’s next door to a single family, that it’s going to be that right. So I just wanted to sort of get that out there and make sure you talk to planning before you make assumptions about that.
Speaker 7 34:33
I was just gonna say that. I mean, one of them. One of the nice things about this tool, right is once you have this key is put together, then it’s a lot easier to go in and kind of, you know, make a few changes in your assumptions and get up in another answer. And so, the fact that this tool is going to be available, is huge. I mean, I think that that’s that’s like absolutely the base Step two,
Speaker 5 35:00
is really doing comparison. So if Wes were to give us two or three different scenarios for, we’ll see, say, one parcel of land, we could tell you what the difference for the demand would be over and above if there wasn’t enough water. So, I mean, it can get that granular, it just depends on how much work you want to put up front, to get the the numbers that you really want. If you want really accurate numbers, it takes longer, but in the end, you gain more because you get more clarity. So
Unknown Speaker 35:36
Scott, you got any questions?
Unknown Speaker 35:40
No, because you guys are so darn thorough. I’m trying to you guys did a good job. I was gonna ask whether or not it’d be available to us to click through on our own. So I want
Speaker 4 35:59
to see I mean, like I said, this is going to take us quite a while and there’s there will definitely share the information when we get it. Now, whether whether or not I can’t make the decision, like what’s going to be like, if we’re gonna put this out there some kind of protected, make available for the public or whatever. Because there might be some, maybe some reasons to do that to not do that. But we’ll have that conversations.
Speaker 7 36:27
Or I suppose there’s different ranges, right. There’s public and also waterboard maps, you know, I don’t know how accessible
Unknown Speaker 36:37
or whether there’s a limit, but we have a lot of options as far as
Unknown Speaker 36:44
I’m very good. Thank you, Rachel. Okay, agenda really
Speaker 4 37:01
relevant activity. So it has a couple of items for action in front of you. The first is modern West filing one final plat. So 19.6 to one acre parcel, located north of Nelson south of Rogers Road, west of whole restrict, actually includes a couple different annexations. But as such, all historic water rights were transferred at a time of annexation. And modern West Finally, one final flower will be in compliance with the city’s raw water requirements policy. Should we say apologies? Upon satisfaction with the 9.901 acre foot deficit. So this is this is a piece of ground, it’s mixed use zoning, multifamily and commercial building built a whole lot other than I’ve had some conversations with the owner and developer. And as of right now, they’re they’ve been working towards getting on historical water.
Speaker 2 38:19
So the questions are, what were that site? Big development that’s going on out there now and kind of that area west of that big development ORS
Unknown Speaker 38:36
are these Yes. Kind of hard to figure out how much land is out there, because
Speaker 4 38:42
there’s not much when there’s another annexation that’s going to the design review process. And it’s almost like an enclave, if you will, that is a piece. And so what we’re finding is some of these parcels have multiple orders, which took time to get multiple orders together and all of a sudden page to move a project forward. That’s not necessarily the case with this one. A lot of these have to do with just the current state of affairs. And so on this particular one, they, they also, there’s always something unique about every project, I think on this one they had, there was some effort that they need to make on road access. So anytime you have development, you’ve got to have in and out access fire. And so that’s why there’s two different adaptations that were a part of this that they had that used to accomplish those those goals, but suffice it to say this one is pretty clear. It’s pretty, pretty straightforward. Like most flats that got their deficit and I think they’re working. We’re going to do non story for the bulk of it. We’ll do it all the best amount colonists a lot of developers will get as close to without going over the three acre foot per acre. Right to the
Unknown Speaker 40:11
southwest. Is this located near the
Speaker 5 40:15
storage facility that recreational vehicle storage facilities?
Speaker 4 40:19
Yeah, yeah, approximately, yes. Yep. So you’ve got that road access along there. Is that part
Unknown Speaker 40:27
of this? Or is this further the west
Speaker 4 40:28
side? It’s a little bit to the west. And then there’s a lane that shoots off to join that I honestly, I wish I could answer it a little bit better than I can’t my reviews specific to the water, water rights per view. And so I I don’t have that, but I could look it up, and we’ll get back to you if you want. That’s okay. Thanks, Chris. medo. What was the question? He was asking if this was adjacent to that storage site? That was there was yes is to the east. Yeah.
Speaker 5 41:01
The north side of this organization is the north side of Anderson storage. And Anderson Street is just to
Speaker 4 41:10
the east of this. Sorry about the road access, because I knew that Anderson road is eventually supposed to connect Nelson and Rogers, isn’t it? Yes.
Speaker 5 41:24
So the same developer is looking at that area of North of this site, which would include that extension of Anderson street all the way in Rogers. They are constructing the main collector, which is mountain Brook drive right now, which is great for all the holes that they’re building right now. And that will connect from Rogers race the swoop down to the south. I’ll connect all the way through to over.
Speaker 8 41:54
Thanks, Chris. Just for clarification, they have 19 acre feet in deficit that they own and it sounds like they’re looking to acquire that historic water. Non historic should they decided I just want to do cash and lieu. Really take that 19 times though right now it’s 48 Five, that’s correct. Okay.
Speaker 4 42:25
So I’m going to review with you the next one that you can make one recommendation to council on these respectively. The second item in there is 11. Three, six East Rogers road annexation. So 9.244 acre parcel located south of east East Roger road and east of Lashley Street. Particular annexation includes quarter share all of our prediction three eighths of the share oligarchy extension after the application of the historic water, the total raw water deficit for three cities Rogers road is 21.1 acre feet or 2.2, a four acre foot of water Career Zone for mixed use. And currently the plan is for 355 residential multifamily units from this property. So we have 355 residential multifamily units. It’s 9.2. So there’s about 38 yields per acre. So so they’ll they will be in compliance with transfer the historic water is a type annotation.
Unknown Speaker 44:03
Know the downside to it all,
Unknown Speaker 44:05
is you’re just nothing really unique.
Speaker 8 44:12
Process wise, at what point in time, if they still have a deficit, they cannot begin to develop the property. So that depth is satisfied.
Speaker 4 44:27
And after annexation, anytime, after annotation, they can satisfy that. So they wanted to satisfy it. They annex and transfer the historical water, let’s say that was completed July 1 on July 2, if they wanted to, they could come and satisfy that old remaining and have it completely satisfied and that wouldn’t allow them to develop. They still have to go through the planning, design review process for that, but some people will choose to do that. Maybe they were able to maybe they have a water rights portfolio in their holding that would allow them to satisfy, maybe they want to satisfy it and then resell the property is fully committed no further owner emphasis. Some people do that not knowing what the future may bring. Most of the time, though, they wait until the plat of some sort, and then it’s at that plan that they’ll satisfy
Speaker 8 45:18
me questions I’m asked, I know that we’re gonna likely bump cash in here within the next quarter, pretty significantly. Make sense for some of these knowing and be able to settle things appropriately rather than later? That’s fine financial decision on there. Yeah,
Speaker 4 45:39
we try to always direct them to the raw water policy and let it speak for itself. But then that being said, I’ve I don’t know the developer that’s part of the PRC process. I haven’t personally had a conversation with those types of questions. We’re up
Speaker 2 45:59
to that point. With these developers. They have some insight. As you move reaching
Speaker 4 46:06
as part of our conversation, we certainly understand that and it is also identifying
Speaker 2 46:19
questions? If nobody objects, why don’t we just lump these two together? And that’s all right. Somebody’s got a motion to approve these two. Okay. I can second. All right. Move in second. All in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. It’s passed. Thanks.
Speaker 2 46:51
So this is yours also posting?
Speaker 4 47:07
After posting, please. Yeah, so waterboard will recall each year at this time. For sure, to Colorado sin Sunshine Law. waterboard needs to determine is designated, posting place for its agendas. And so, waterborne in the past is called the city attorney’s office recommendation to designate the public portal on the city’s website as the primary location of its official posting place for the monthly water board meeting. As well as designating a physical location and so that physical location in the past has, has been here in the front foyer a state of being consistent City Council they chose to make their physical resting place the west entrance of the civic center Civic Center lobby. And so we’re the staff are recommending is to make for the waterboard to consider designating the public portal as the city’s official posting place but also the posting at the west entrance of the civic center lobby as a secondary physical location for posting so nothing different than it would be right now as we speak. Instead of here this lawyer would be the Civic Center building where COBOL toward say the city jury and City Council’s agenda is water doors will be
Unknown Speaker 48:51
more private probably more traffic
Speaker 10 48:53
may also already posted there I post it here as well but I always send it up to the city clerk’s office and they post it up there as well so since more people see it up there it makes more sense to have it the official location but we’ll still post it here as well.
Speaker 4 49:10
So all hers posted multiple places where we have to have someplace
Unknown Speaker 49:19
I like the putting it where more people will see it gets me excited
Unknown Speaker 49:30
you can expect clear vote on us.
Speaker 4 49:32
Official motion for those posting places leader
Unknown Speaker 49:36
posting motions.
Unknown Speaker 49:43
You may want to make motion.
Speaker 7 49:47
I will make the motion to cut changed physical posting location to per second. Hmm, fellas. All right.
Speaker 2 50:04
There’s a motion made and seconded. All in favor signify by saying aye? Aye.
Unknown Speaker 50:14
Agenda get here
Speaker 4 50:21
wait. Yeah, so what we wanted to do today is give a kind of a quick presentation. When you get firming project, there’s been some really important milestones that have been reached recently and just highlight some of those milestones and significant accomplishments. As also encourage you, if you really want to see a really cool video that will kind of do a much better job summarizing this and I will, on the northern website for Jimmy Hall, they got a 10 to 15 minute video that they made, basically, at the very end of last year. And it’ll go through many of these different bullets and all include, but they got some pictures and stuff and some time lapse photography and stuff is really well done. So encourage you to go to there, you go to the northern Colorado Water Conservancy District webpage, and they got one specific for chimney hollow. And then there’s a video week on that. But so northern staff, on the January 9, gave a presentation to the windy gap firming participants to highlight some of these milestones and accomplishments. And so this photo was actually taken on the eighth of January. So it was, it’s now a week old. You can kind of get it you can kind of see how, how much this dam has grown. I mean, if you recall, I mean, it’s, you know, use these trucks for scale. And a human would even come to the top, you know, the top of the tire. And when we were all out there, waterboard was out there before, you know we were down below here, 150 feet down. And you can just look at the breadth of the of the dam itself, it’s really taking, taking off. It’s so there, they were able to work. A good part of last year for double shifts, 24 hours a day, six days a week had on average 500 people on site at any given time. This particular project will be the largest reservoir built in the United States this century. So this is not a I’m repeating a lot of things here that you will probably have already heard. But hopefully when you’re when we’re all done, and you guys leave today, you’re going to kind of come across maybe not remembering specific bullet point things but thinking while they’re really moving along well and a lot of work. The main dam, which is what we’re looking here in this photo, is approximately 180 feet tall right now. So it’s just barely over 50% of its total height. Total dam heights about 390 feet. That’s kind of significant, because we made there was a 15 mile $15 million. agreement. And yes, the term right now is, is escaping me in a settlement, I believe it was with that settlement $5 million was paid initially. And then there was another 5 million to be paid at 50% completion of the down. So that’s why this height is important, because we’re now over 50% and the participants are paying that next $5 million payment, then the final $5 million payment for that part of the settlement will be made. At the completion of the day. When the state certifies it’s, it’s complete circle one, so kind of think of it is we’re halfway there. And so that’s a pretty big accomplishment. The so the dam height when this is completed in 390 feet tall will be 1000 feet wide. So Over three football fields wide, plus in the length all the way across the almost 3700 feet long. So the big structure
Unknown Speaker 55:15
will cost less to drill the second half
Speaker 4 55:17
or so yeah, we’re going to talk about that. So. So this slide. So on December 21, they placed the last plant, which was huge. So now, now they’re, they’re going to really be able to start rocking and rolling, it takes a lot of work to get it going. But now that that has been completed, they’re they’re on track to have the so the original estimate was to have the dam completed in August of 2025. And right now the projection is to be within that maybe one month later, which means that they’re still really close to being on track. And for a project and this, I think this is probably got 10 Other projects within it. And any one of those would be a massive project. So to have all those coming together right now, like they have been, is really good. They’ve got approximately 65% completion of all the work so even though the dam is 50% There’s other work that’s going on it was a salad down to the south, there’s other parts of it the the pipe gallery, we’re going to be taking water different things. And so as of right now, they’re within 10 to 12% of their forecasted budget, which as you may recall, they think they had an original budget and they always have a contingency that was if I’m not mistaken was within about 10% So they’re, I guess I’m just gonna say for all intents and purposes, it’s pretty close to being on budget. You’ve got the, the asphalt core that they’re that they’ve been working on, kind of reminders about it too little over a two foot wide asphalt core. And then it goes out in different zones as you go throughout it. And then it’s very end of that like up to two foot rock like rip rap on the very outside edges and so that’s where you really start feeling the magnitude of that but that footprint is getting is getting wider. Next slide. So here’s some of the achievements like I mentioned earlier in December they completed putting in the last 20 It’s hard to get your head around I can’t even do it. 10,000 cubic yards of concrete have been put in there 16 miles of rock anchored 22 miles of gravels 60 acres of foundation work cleaned up after the proved event then it’s 30% Complete. Do you can read these I don’t probably need to I would like to highlight the one that especially the audit cc 2000 tons of days worry so it’s now the largest mining operation in Colorado. They their blast their blasting nearly every day. Something that will mess you up
Speaker 4 58:48
Yeah, so 1700 feet of tunneling remainders just just a ton of thing going on. One for some reason, the mechanics piece kind of struck me 162 pieces of heavy equipment. Those are those big trucks that they’re hauling. 230 pieces of lightning equipment. It’s like your pickup trucks are that size or smaller. They’ve got 30 mechanics on site at any given time. When they’re working on this. It’s just It’s just incredible what they what they’ve done. That makes us so showing kind of the cost that the data you had to see the lines the red line where we’re at now it’s accumulated percent complete. So we’re just we’re about 55% right now. The blue view the blue line is where we were kind of wanting to be where what happened was we had a lot of rain last year. And that did slows down. But now they’re actually making up speed. And what we’re finding is they’re kind of starting to get close. And they believe that if everything of all the stars align this summer, they’re going to be back on right on track, which is pretty good, the original contract amount was for $507.8 million. And it had some change orders and brought it to, currently, it’s 35 million, what they’ve done so far, is to under negative 4.5, or about 55%. So the, I think we’re gonna find accelerated work being done in this last year and a half. But it’s the amount of payment, and the amount left to spend is probably just right around half, we got about 45%. For to probably pay out. Okay, then the next slide. So this is just kind of, that’s where I was talking about the minimum material placement, if you’re just out there looking, seeing where they’re at, and where they were supposed to be, you see it a bigger gap. You know, we were tracking pretty close. And then with the weather we were, we kind of got behind, down here in the, in the summertime, and then we just kind of followed, but now we’re starting to get a little bit closer. So we’re thinking that sometime, you know, by the middle edition, this year, we should probably be back on track and getting real close to having all the materials placed in the way that we were hoping for. And slowly. Yeah, it’s just, uh, any questions you may have. But that’s just it. It’s still unbelievable the amount of materials that they’re moving, creating all that material there, and then placing it, and it’s, but I do encourage you or any of the public to go to that website for any really good job and kind of highlighting all those. So that’s kind of my presentation if you asked me very many hard questions and without toe to toe, so I don’t know if I could answer. I would try very successful. Yeah. It really is. I mean, it’s a it’s a great part project that we should all feel proud to be in Florida. I think it’s going to be when it’s all said and done. I think it’s not only to get a certain Longmont well it’s going to serve anyone that lives in this area well for recreational aspect is going to give to the end, just think about what it took to get there. Incredible. Absolutely.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:56
Questions. You’re welcome.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:08
Are you just here for?
Speaker 2 1:03:19
Me You made your projects, tentative schedule for future board meetings. Any any comments about what we’re planning on bringing up?
Speaker 4 1:03:31
Well, I mentioned that reserve before stewardship there. They’ll be planning to bring that to you next month. So you’ll get a recap on what happened out there last year. plans for next year. So we’re also hopeful that we’ll have a member of the Order otter staff come in, if not kin to present, Lower Colorado River issues and concerns are all being ignored. The staff can do a special presentation
Speaker 4 1:04:07
which is a reminder, it’s February 26. Authority.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:15
Okay. Well, basically, cash in lieu of the the unknowns will be resolved by them.
Speaker 4 1:04:28
I’m not very optimistic. Really. I the reason I say that, Roger is I think I don’t know that. You’re going to have inverse sales of all that parent. When you go there. There’s a process to it’s not like buying a car. And it has to go to the Florida Board to the municipal sub District Board to take action. And I think that’s kind of at the timeline of when PRPs He put in front of the board and the board has to act, then PRP has to work to find a time to close with the person that’s going to lie that entity that’s going to lie it. And I think it’s gonna happen. But I think slow down just a little bit. I think in all honesty, I keep I kind of, for me to keep it in my own head straight, I think it is. If you’re trying to buy a house, you’re looking for comparables, and there’s closed sales, and there’s ones that are maybe offers or pending type sales. And it seems like for something like this, it would make sense to have those completed sales. I just don’t know if it’ll be ready by March. But
Unknown Speaker 1:05:42
what happened first half of this year? I mean, the sale thing will understand the numbers. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:05:49
I think I think this is just Kardec. But I think by I think it’s, I think by the second quarter. So in June, that committee will have those confirmed numbers that can be used. And then we’re gonna have to have a conversation about it. That’s still the matrix we’re going to use to determine cash in lieu and all those other things, but we’re just gonna have to wait and see.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:22
And come up with questions. To tie that, you know, I mean, there’s a price that needs to be adjusted. And
Speaker 2 1:06:38
any comments on the future agenda items are laid out on the sheet? We get minutes. Again, comments or questions. You know, I don’t know if this is pertinent or not, but I just cut out an article. There’s some CBT Oculus coming up. Areas. Great stuff. It’s a lot of
Speaker 4 1:07:04
you don’t have anything else to do on Valentine’s Day. Listen, it’s gonna be down with the fairgrounds. Yeah. So interesting to see what the
Unknown Speaker 1:07:13
outcome of that is. Yeah, exactly. Which fair
Speaker 4 1:07:17
old County Fairgrounds 9090 units, I believe for the neocons. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:22
And, yeah. Carlson Carlsson, yeah,
Speaker 4 1:07:26
there’s gonna be another auction that will different need for some more water. Susan, it seems to be like some of the larger CDT holders are choosing to auction on water as opposed to other ways in regard to the water. And in this particular one, if you go on to the website that talks about it, they’re selling it in a little box. So you can go in there, they’re not just selling 90 units, there are a couple units are selling. The first one is for two units. The second time will be for two years, and the third will never be for three minutes, and then for five minutes. And so kind of pick and choose which one and it’s it’s an interesting way of doing it. And it’ll be interesting to see how, who’s bidding on it, and to see how much they’re willing to pay. Yeah, I don’t know, LD water, long bottle be interested in seeing I don’t think
Speaker 7 1:08:21
about, like, what is the what is what are the factors that go into like, okay, there’s an option that is online, interested, right? Like, what kind of conversations do you all have about any one of these types of events and, and when it is that you may or may not. So these
Speaker 4 1:08:39
types of things don’t always happen that often. I mean, this is following the third or fourth one that I really thought of. And it just so happens is this particular one is in our back door. So I think so CBT has its place. CBT is single use water. We usually aspire to get water rights that are fully consumed. I think water that, for example, if we were to entertain the idea of going out and making a bid to require some of these, that would be money that we would have to take out of water rights, cash in lieu fund. And I think a lot of that money is kind of earmarked they’ll pay for Jimmy Hall. And so I don’t think we’re wanting to not do that so that we can get single use CBT. But I think there’s going to be I will not be surprised if there’s other water providers and water communities that really are looking for CBT. That’s kind of what they want. That’s how they use it a water district that that’s all they really drink. And those folks are a developer that wants to develop in that community that needs to bring CBT to that community. I wouldn’t be surprised if they but that kind of the tricky part. I think that they’re going to come up with. So in order to be a part of this auction, you have to have a place to put the water, you can’t park it, that’s the no party rule in northern establish before, you can just go and hold on to a bunch of stocks and you gotta have a piece of land to put it. So before you can even be eligible to go and bid on this, you have to first have approval for the Northern District even purchasing. So I think that in and of itself probably limits some properties. There might be some people that have developers that have acquired pieces of ground to develop, but maybe the prior owner sold their CBT off, and which is not against the law. But maybe now they’re like, Well, we really gotta need CBT. So it’s just going to be interesting to track and eventually we’ll get that that information. But tentatively, we’re gonna, we may try to have a representative down there to just see what it is.
Speaker 7 1:11:03
And I’m having like a brain moment where maybe this isn’t even the right questions. But do we do we accept the CDC water as the storm,
Unknown Speaker 1:11:13
water hot, we
Speaker 4 1:11:14
take all historic, which includes CBT, currently also listed as one of the non historic waterways. So we in the if you look at the last 50 years, there was times where people were getting CBT because for the longest time casually was based on CBT. And some people were able to find that they could go and buy CBT for a fraction of what the cash in Lieu is they can save themselves a percentage, and that was enough savings for them to go ahead and go to that effort. But now that the cost of CVT is in that neighborhood of 65 to 75,000 per unit most I’m not aware of any trans basin water rights and economically make a lot of sense it’s more local database around right so
Speaker 6 1:12:12
let’s just out of curiosity, is this from a state or party open
Speaker 2 1:12:24
Okay, anybody anything else? In the meeting? Got nothing thanks, Roger. All the business take up
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