Water Advisory Board – September 2023
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yes, Tom Lester
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Roger Lang you’re Renee Davis you’re Daniel bird you can use in your salary here and then voted Bartlett here Christopher
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and hit the Record centers here councilmember Martin here cherry on fourth
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question Scott we’re gonna see Scott on the screen is currently driving so you won’t see him later
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i faster Scott
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Okay, let’s start with the
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previous minutes last most
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questions or comments
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did you hear that?
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Okay, Kevin wants to enter.
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This morning the flow on sand Green was
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55 for CFS points out your average 55 CFS called the same green as the sweet interest of 87
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Calling South by river is still the number one
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wealth price reservoir this morning that was spilling full and spilling today transform spillway
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storage reservoir isn’t the elevation
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which is down approximately 60
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basically has wars at the end of August send me
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a quick question when
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I was nine years whatnot stuff so
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are you still with
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All right. As far as development activity
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was caching using
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I’m so just some brief integration program updates.
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Were doing the continuing Pargeter transition project. We’re calling it Kensington Park grass to garden. We’re we’re moving 3000 square feet of grass around to continue to park mosaic and the construction if it has not been removed is being removed, probably as we speak. And the soil amended being an added by contractors and then we’re having a planting event that comes into neighborhood this Saturday. So from nine to noon, I’ll be inviting the neighbors to come in plants, the actual cases around around the garden. And then we’re also hosting a resource fair so sustainability CSU Extension on that few Food Rescue. Participated booths that will be there as resources for the neighbors and then we’re also having sweet cow food truck. Breakfast burritos and coffee. Just a great combination and
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ice cream for breakfast. Thank you
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we had a successful event on the sixth of this month, stories of the same brain is called flood, fire and friendship. And I was invited to be on a panel of community water readers to discuss the flood and water conservation. So that got picked up on paper and was really successful outreach, and had a lot of really great community input. Also, it was great.
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We are in the midst of our water efficiency master plan, we met with our consultants, the engineering and operations administrator and the Planning and Development Services Director a couple of weeks ago, just so that we can ensure that everyone is on board and everyone’s on the same page. We’re hoping to propose some code changes in lieu of groundwater smart mindset. And we want to make sure that
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you recognize that we’re hoping to do that. So everything was great. We’re just working through this process really collaboratively, which is really good. And then last week, we ran it through the sustainability evaluation system led by Francie. And that’s just so that we can have well rounded decision making throughout our planning plan.
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So we had folks there from planning parks, open space facilities, which is really great. To get their points of view and their
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thoughts and concerns, we need to update kind of our water conservation standards moving forward.
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We’re working on the turf transition plan with water now Alliance. We’re reviewing phase one of the project at the end of the month. So that will be a
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I think they’re just presenting the research of the best management practices that they’ve discussed. So that we can just decide how we want to move forward, like their recommendations for our turf transition plan on City On Shan culture. And then lastly, we’re still working through our code evaluation with our consultants,
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the review and the code, the review of the code and the development standards is complete. We’re just waiting for our recommendations report. The sustainability planner, and the planning department is helping the project manage this, this, this project, and he’s out of town for the next two weeks. So when he gets up, and we’re meeting with the consultant, and the recommendations report on where she wants, where we can better our code to be more water efficient, and then we’ll go from that.
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does the code include the sustainability part of the code include consideration not just water
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conservation, but also water availability in terms of, of
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heat resistant, you know, community.
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Like, you know, drinking fountains every so many feet in the park, as opposed to just one at one end? The audit that we’re doing right now is mostly focused on development code, and landscape standards and designs. So if mostly, it won’t be focused on that, it will mostly be on how we can save water and land use planning. So this is what I said it’s a subject for some other code review. Exactly. Thank you.
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I was just asking, were you aware of
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our conservation in garden sands? The status of that project?
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I didn’t hear
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it. So a lot. It was a towel project for this year, under open space that was targeted for to be a water conservation and native garden interpretive garden right off the
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backside of Simpson ranch. Yes, the status that I know of currently, is that the bids came about budget $40,000. So they were looking for $40,000 additional funding.
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We water conservation is able to provide some of that. So hopefully, Jim Kirk is the project manager on that project. Hopefully, the rest of it and then we’re hoping that we can plant it’s still a go. As long as we can find the funding. It has not started
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it that’s interesting because I just heard from the water district that the city reimbursed the water district, the $14,000 for the design that it was not going to go just just didn’t make sense since Senator I left hand
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make the commitment for the design. Yeah, northern Colorado and commitment to contribute $20,000 that we couldn’t find a difference to make this app? That’s interesting. I haven’t heard that I’ll check in jeopardy to to
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the be interpreted xeriscape water conservation garden, right along the Greenway, we’re going to be able to anticipate a lot of visitation and
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interpretive opportunities. So, there Mona Mary,
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1000 square feet, maybe
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the success or
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anybody knows how that compares to the size of the zero scape garden at the northern water?
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While I know the design wasn’t that significant now? Yeah, much smaller, much smaller.
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And the idea behind this demonstration garden, if I understand correctly, was that it was to be only native plants. So that folks that take a look at Colorado?
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wanted to kind of give you a quick update on the when you go for a project. And we start first with the
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conductivity channel, which is kind of a subset of the bigger project.
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you may recall, last late spring, early summer, with the increased runoff in Colorado River, so had had some construction challenges. So just to refresh everybody’s memory, this is the dam for the existing windy gap reservoir, you came across the valley, Carmel Valley, and then came all the way down here to create the reservoir site. So the entire area here
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was and is still currently reservoir. So the idea behind the conduct conductivity channel is construct a intermediate berm dam right here makes the reservoir smaller, but it’s still sufficiently large enough to be able to pump out this is the Hopi plant right here.
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And then the area that’s south of was in the block, reservoir currently becomes the conductivity channel, basically, a bypass channel around the reservoir.
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They had started this berm last year. And then unfortunately, there was higher flows much higher than normal runoff
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the spring that it went over this berm and inundated the whole area. So took two or three days to actually it didn’t take long they’ve
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been back back about a week, they had to pump it out, kind of let it dry, and then get going again
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and then reconstruct the top part of the berm because this is actually a jurisdictional dam now, so that part was done last spring.
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It’s a little bit of setback, but luckily what timewise it wasn’t too long. Here’s the good news is this bottom from the old dam down. This bottom part of the channel has now been completely constructed. And they’re out there currently right now planting the native vegetation, repairing plants. So from this point, there’ll be done the salt, which is good, this part, they’re still doing a little bit of work on
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hope to maybe get some of the plants even haven’t done enough they get some of the plants in this fall. But not sure how they won’t get all the planting. They’ll have
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a lot of the channel built
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by before they’re rushing to you know, winter starts after the first break.
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The above zone left.
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One interesting thing is as, as they’re constructing this berm here,
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this is now up high enough, they’re
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not impossible, but there’s not much of a concern about reaching next spring. And so the state engineer’s office is letting them take riprap off of the old dam, and start putting it on new dam to help even buttress and more because you’re gonna have wave action coming on and roll this current supplier.
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And then next spring one refills.
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good thing is the old dam is coming out. They haven’t haven’t taken any material out. Because the concern is you don’t want you want to make sure it’s high enough that you never reach it again, because anyone will breach this. If it’s not
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this, isn’t it? So that kind of kind of working on that right now. But it’s good that they’re doing that. Nobody only last I heard no, no last iron. Right, here’s where major new diversion structure is being built. So that water can be diverted into the reservoir, as opposed to a flow through right now it’s a floater. Now there’ll be a diversion structure here where the main part of Colorado route through here hear them when they need water in the reservoir to pump the structure. And all gates. Unfortunately, there’s a slight problem. You can get the gates Yes. But hopefully, I’ll have them by next spring.
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That’s, that’s the kind of activity shall really looking at I mean, really, you can close them. And then once they have a built in here to here, because
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as soon as that damn
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next slide. So this is actually a week ago, but this is a more current picture, the two new rock dam, you really can start seeing the dam starting to come up here now.
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really happened last month, you kind of imagined, we’re setting up when we did a tour, you can imagine that. Now you can actually see, definitely you can see that.
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And this is even one week ago. So
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only construction challenge they have was
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we got into
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a problem with some of the borrow material from the quarry. So the court has granted. All this Phil asked me to good hard granite. So they’re on the quarry, they have to take the overburden off to take the fractured rock or some sandstone, things like that. They have to lay it taken the strip, strip the
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quarry, push it off to the side, unfortunately, running 20 Our state so there’s a lot of work
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in the dark. And they got into that overburden ended up bringing it over here so they moved back out.
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But other than that things are right now going pretty well.
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So this is as of the end of July. So now at the end of September. We’re right here on the sea to trade to ramp up a little bit. This is this is the ideal
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time path a little bit behind that right now. This kind of a
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min and max construction schedule. You’re still trying to get it done by July 2005. But right now we just hit 50% which is a milestone which is really good news. Now. We’re now at 50% construction
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that’s the project right now. No real big news to talk about.
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What are you
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talking about what else
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is missing in
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July want to do?
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Not much just just getting the big gates in and actually the structure and flow takes so long to build to put the gates in
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shouldn’t be a big problem.
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It just everybody wanted to find out
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that the rest of it is mostly Earth work and plants, I would suspect I have not heard yet that they’ve run into a problem that they had on the planting. So that’s that’s a huge
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issue on a lot of native planting projects is getting native plants
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nursery run out if you can’t get them, you gotta wait a whole year
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hopefully it’ll come in next month is the way to go.
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But I believe they had pre ordered
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stock one stock before
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with that gate will be fully functional. And when you get I mean, it will be the stone will never put any water down the channel until they take the old down
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to timing on that.
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It just it takes given the new dam
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right sometime next year, or next spring because I imagined
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we’ll run out of construction
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by the end of October
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this is so high
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determine what goes into the reservoir and what goes in that channel is that northern to make
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based on the water right to the beat of everything else is falling.
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Mostly it’ll be they’ll just start running water in there. If they’re gonna turn the pumps on. Most are not pumping, they’ll put
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the fishery biologist will be working with water quality frogs. You also don’t want to you want to keep the reservoir very fresh. So yes, there is water running through it.
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but I most of the time
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10 months out of the year and we’ll all be going through the events. And then we’ll turn it on
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through management and master plan to use more
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Well, I think more than this one, it’s probably out
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of fun that
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process and they’re also putting a lot of effort in from scratch scientific information, a lot of waterfall.
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So we’re sharing all of
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us the contractor construction
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you’re still going to Denver, Colorado.
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Colorado constructors. I’ll have to double check on that.
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I’ve been interested in these like, artificial channel reconstructions.
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There’s a one up in Montana that’s kind of special meaning so
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It’s pretty interesting.
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Right now, yeah. Yeah. That’s pretty. Pretty neat.
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It’s an art this will be just as neat.
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And it’s gonna be able to
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mine, Roger. I’m not sure.
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Okay, well, you can hear us fine.
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Why don’t we go back to item eight.
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Started talking about
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All right. I’ll kind of get started and then that conversation kicking in so
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As the board will recall, about 18 months ago, city council
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established the current fee of dashing move 45.
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that fee was based on
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the cost of providing one acre foot a firm water supply to the water treatment plant. And there’s two components to that there’s the water, right.
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And then the storage part, which helps create that firm water delivery it in the wintertime.
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And so at that time it was broken out that was $30,000 per acre foot for the water, right. And at 18,500 for the city’s investment, at that time, for the firming project,
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commonly referred to as chimney chimney Hall. And so, again, for the last 18 months, that’s kind of just been rolling along.
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Then in 2022, the
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collaborate on power and authority board directed their staff to sell an additional 10. A lot of units, these are unfirm a lot of units. So it’s strictly just the CD, the apparent water, if you will, the CDC water. So they put up a they offered five of the 10 in 2023. That closed back in August 22. So last month, when they
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put that offer, they had five bids provided amenities
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ranging in price from
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3.8 million to 4.5. As the Board may recall, one acre foot per one unit is equivalent of 100
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acre feet. So in other words, they say establish a minimum criteria to bid that included
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a value of not less than $38,000 per acre foot.
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So they got their five bids for five entities.
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They are evaluating those, they they had certain criteria that
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in order to bid you had to be a qualifying entities is somebody that was going to be able to have those. So we don’t know who the
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bids came from. We don’t know how much exactly any individual entity bid for
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that may or may not become public knowledge in the near future. But what we do know is that they received bids
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in August, with a high bid of $45,000 per acre foot. So in other words, they were to receive bid on at least at least one bid for four and a half million dollars three unit and when you get
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so therefore, if you kind of think of it, I think one of the best ways to take into this kind of a convertible and a house trying to find the value of your house.
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If you bought a house like my parents did back in the 60s and paid $15,000, that’s probably not what the houses were about something more recent. So these convertibles probably reflect what the value of is that the receiving team. I’m sorry, the winner yeah for now. And so
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what we have there is that that results going from
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30,000 An acre foot to $45,000.
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The second part of that, which is the
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firming part of the construction part of it,
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there was a significant cost increase due to the federal lawsuit.
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Those combined cost the project was around $37 million.
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When you take that and put it to one month’s
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cost, it works out to approximately $1,000 An acre foot so that would then adjust the previous projection of 18,500 for that part to $90,000 and spoke a little bit earlier today about the Colorado River connectivity channel project.
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Really no additional costs for
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that are anticipated, but that haven’t already been budgeted. So we add the two up and $45,000 an acre foot for the
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water, right and the $19,500. For the
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additional costs were
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to settle the federal lawsuit to divide total planning comes to
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total new would be $64,500. So that’s the total current water project costs estimate on a per acre foot basis with the now 64,500. And so
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with another consideration, waterboard has always taken the data made a recommendation to council on what they believe is a fee for cash in lieu of water rights received should be this in this instance, we think Additionally, it would vary us having
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a more thorough process to inform the public and interested stakeholders about an increase. So should the board recommend counsel, review the fee and adjust, for example, to 64 or five, we would want to be sure that we have a good process in place. So that’s a fairly significant change. And so we want to do that. So that’s kind of in in a nutshell, can may have some additional information or whatever questions we’ll try to answer for you to begin
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the process processing
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before this decision is made, or coupled with decision.
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What’s the timing of that process and
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how you describe
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it. So really, what what we want to do is,
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you know, water board obviously could return recommendation to leave the cash flow as it is, can come somewhere in between. If we go to this number of 64,000. It’s a pretty good jump. Last time, we had a big jump we
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called every single developer out there we call planning, we went through the design review process with the city before
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we could we still have some pushback on that not enough people heard about it. They’re concerned about political will due
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mostly, what we’re really looking for if waterboard recommends something in the range of
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high 50s or 60s, then before we would take that recommendation, counsel,
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we would we would make sure we reached out to everybody, we could let them know
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Began first. So we recommend the 64 or five or any number, and we want to go through that process.
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Do you have dollars budgeted available to go through that process? It’s just going to be staff time
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processes, staff determining how to best inform everyone that needs to know about it. So we’re not mean you’re not talking about any kind of consulted press releases and letter to you know, or community survey or anything like that, that could cost additional dollars. Yeah, everything’s in house. Basically.
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I look at the existing staffs. Okay. A lot of processing. The goal is for anyone that has the ability, they’re in the process of that they
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are eligible to satisfy deficits if they’re made aware, right. Like there’s some there’s properties out there that have been for example, annex for decades. As soon as you annex, you have the opportunity to satisfy all remaining deficits. If you choose not to, that’s fine, but you’re saying you’re waiting until some later date, which may include a higher price to satisfy your deficits. So there’s there’s those situations you also have people that are just getting into the development process. They’re at the very beginning. And they’re having just conversations, pre application type meetings with the with the planning department and their daily plat yet they just have a site plan or something like that. We’re just wanting every
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Want to know, and then give them enough time. And if they’re like, this is significant, maybe they would have an opportunity to satisfy deficits at the current rate before changes. And that’s what happened the last time we did this a few months ago, that the significant influx of money, as you might expect, how much time did you give last time? Before he was an actor? I don’t think there was like a defined time in the process felt like it probably close to six months? Because this is a big deal. Yeah.
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Yeah, I do. There are some incentives in place, and some incentives in place for again, you know, you have to, for these early process developments, we got to satisfy either with fee in lieu or with more water rights, if you’re not there for you can build right. And so there are some incentives that lower that cut in half the fee in lieu that has to be paid by affordable, and I think they just changed to attainable, I won’t swear to it, because sometimes I
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remember when your stuffs first and second reading, or just a proposal, so it would have to be verifiable. But the process needs to include the impact of those incentives and making sure
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the impact of the incentives on development is included as well in terms of people builders, knowing how they’re going to be impacted by the aesthetics that those incentives, and a potential upside that I see is, we have been struggling to get people to build more force for sale.
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But low cost housing. And you know, and instead, we’re getting people coming in with $700,000 townhomes, you know, as as a proposal. And so this might be a really nice lever to
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to incentivize people who build inventory at a lower cost. So because of that, I would suggest that the process include
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involving the planners to do that analysis. Again, just just a suggestion, but but I think it could be a big benefit to the city to do that.
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We absolutely want.
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And I agree with
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fordable, housing is pretty well set, attainable housing is is a work in progress. Yes.
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There’s a lot there. There’s some language in the code. But I think actual
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ideas and code the
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that was made on some of those bones.
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That’s why we want to we don’t want to pump it up. Before we’ve had an opportunity to work with it, you know, work with our housing, folks work with our planners work with the development community. And so mostly we saw our normal processes waterboard makes a recommendation. We had
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spot on the council agenda about a month out after the recommendation. So that’s when we go to Council
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review, but it will be a number of months we can it’s one of the waterboard.
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If anything huge comes out of that process. We’ll come back and more water will certainly let you know in October.
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What we’re doing and I easily could see this.
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I mean, we spent extraordinary.
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Never, I’ve never done that big an effort we did last time. And we were still asked to do more. So we realized we have to craft what we’re going to do. Make sure everybody’s happy. And make sure everybody feels like we both everybody covered, informative and still recommendation and it’s still gonna be 100
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Watts remind me what the standard is for requirements. I mean, I’m I know that a time of annexation your historic water rights come to the city. What about develop development standard is required.
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So I think, right let me see if I can
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If I understood your question like that they answered in a different way. So the policy requires a ton of annotation, transferable historical water rights that were pertinent to the property. So that has to happen for any property that’s ever developed in long time. Because of that, every annexation has its own unique remaining deficit. So you have annexations, some annexations, that have a sufficient amount of historic that there are no further law requirements. So in other words, they can, after annexation, they can develop without having to bring any more non historic or vacation look. On the other extreme, you could have a piece of property that has noticed or waterways that can still annex but in order to develop, they’re going to need to satisfy the remaining three acre feet per acre. So in that case, they’re going to have to bring, you know, either non historic or whatever the equivalent caching would be. So every annexation is unique. The one consistent is every property that has developed in Longmont prior curve following the formation waterboard making 63 has satisfied the three acre foot per acre minimum. And the policy is an area based policy. It’s not a US based policy. So
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so with that being said,
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if you come to them into Longmont and annex, normally, this is a big average, because every one is unique. But normally, you would satisfy one and a half to two of the three acre feet required as historic. So usually you satisfy at least half or more as as historic, then when you come through and satisfied the remainder, you can either transfer a non historic water that’s acceptable, or pay cash in lieu. And so we’ve seen a mix I’ve seen where people haven’t paid any cash in lieu, and just it all waterways, I’ve seen it where some people have paid everything with cash in lieu, it just depends, and it’s their own decisions what they want to do. Sure, but that standard is three acre feet per acre. That’s right, in order to develop, you have to satisfy almost three acre foot and that’s in our world. That is why I was asked, you know, known historical,
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anytime up until
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we can get a flat.
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You remember, raise my hands.
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So first time, I would love to back up and actually talk about the amount other than just the public process. Both are important, but just stick with the public process of communicating it would it be, I think it would be appropriate for us to say, hey, we’re going to phase these in either over the next four quarters or something that have very specific dates. And that can be either included in city council level, but also potentially the recommendation level. I think having a recommendation without a date, you’re going to have a process that goes in there.
Unknown Speaker 43:28
It just it would be more transparency to have it there’d be a deadline or a date when it actually becomes effective. Rather than saying, Hey, we’re going to increase it this much. When, from a water board member perspective, I’d like to be able to say, honestly, I do realize that you guys have work to do in between. And so that’s kind of giving you a deadline, which we’re not popular.
Unknown Speaker 43:52
I understand that feeling. But it seems like if we’re going to not phase it in immediately or not do it immediately. We should have some clarity around when it’s going to hit
Unknown Speaker 44:00
January 1 is a really reliable time people can understand new year new rules. Just a suggestion of backing up about the amount because that’s the that’s the part that I hold most dear to the Water Board member. I have some questions there. You’ve got five bids, but none of them have become the final bid. Right so the sale isn’t isn’t final appear pa they will have to go to the board and fight and accept those bids. Okay, but right now we’re looking at the highest bid to base our board our RFP on we know that at least one bid included a bid for 44 Yeah, for 4.5. I don’t know if that includes the for one unit 234 or five. I don’t fit in. Okay, so here’s my here’s my search is that if we base it on the highest bid, and then the one that actually gets approved is lower. That to me makes us feel like you
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I would like there to be a tighter connection there. Do you understand what I’m getting at, there’s, there’s a bit of a disconnect. And we pick this number up here, but they actually want this number here. If we’re basing our cash flow on it, I’d like it to be a deal.
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We’re gonna ask them a similar thing, which was what is there? So if you put yourself on the board, right, what, what would be the criterion by which you would assess those bids? And why would you not perhaps accept the highest bid? Right? So in other words, like, are there other factors that are not just embedded in the price? Are there other factors that perhaps are somehow hidden, but our monetary also, right? So in other words, like, maybe we’re basing it on the higher price, but the higher prices like somehow artificially high because they’re not kind of including some are, because they’ve included other things that would that other everybody else, perhaps had a separate line items or something? I know, for example, sometimes it can be we buy all of them, even if it’s a lower price, or somebody buys all of them. So then there’s not any, there’s, there’s functional things like that. But I don’t know that we want to get into that level of detail. I just like something that’s the final answer for them, whatever that may be.
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And then some of my other questions. I have a bucket up.
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My big fundamental question I brought this up before is, we’re now including water rights in this cash in lieu
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valuation. Okay, that’s cool. How, how will we know we’re not double dipping and double charging and that, that none of these facilities storage and water rights are being included in the system development charges.
Unknown Speaker 46:47
Because if we’re double dipping on assets, that is, I think, opens us up for a lawsuit.
Unknown Speaker 46:53
And I would love to make sure that somebody has checked out and I, it may be that I’m not getting it and I’m not seeing or want to be clear that I really want to make sure that we’re not because that’s one of the things that I see as a public member talking to you guys as to try to protect the city from a lawsuit.
Unknown Speaker 47:13
And so, you know, making sure that what’s in the SEC charges here, what’s in the wind to get Fermi charge that’s also stated kind of part of the SEC is going to go read Municipal Code, and cash in lieu about making sure everything’s in its own bucket and there’s not something that’s twice because as a double dip in that it is possible.
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wonder team will come here.
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And then let’s see.
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Okay, that’s another question I had when you do a system development charge and this is an element of that right? You look at my formula, it’s a super duper awesome formula, you take the system value, which is your assets, which is what we’re trying to capture the PRP sale in part and then your capacity and that’s your unused capacity. So are we seeing all of the when you get firming project is for new growth because if it’s benefiting current customers so that should be paid for by rates? If it’s only benefiting new customers, we’ll look at it
Unknown Speaker 48:16
but can you help me understand has somebody looked at what the capacity is of this going to be going to current? Yeah, no that was done when we shows our final
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participation level in the project. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 48:34
Not remember the exact number but it was about 6800 acre feet was for new development
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and everything above
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existing system. And so we are we are paying part of
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other development fees. Okay, the
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We’ve got that salary.
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Okay, so other than the double double dip question, just looking for racism.
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I’ve also done kind of a light survey of system development charges in the area, including ours and we’re not
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we’re not crazy expensive. So that’s a convert time setup fees.
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Okay, thank you,
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a while ago I actually covered but I was going to ask about
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the mid prices on
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Final an order accepted to lay our. So I didn’t want to tie us to a potentially different number that comes out if that’s the rational basis for what our final cash of recommendation is. That said, I’m going overboard with the concept. And I know no.
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We asked the ability to find out at a time certain when that final number is, or maybe messaging is, let’s connect with our development period of development, there is going to be an increase. And it will be finally a couple of days, which I guess if you’re doing this the next probably 30 to 60 days and hope to get a better number
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60 days in advance is January 1 and damage January 1 changed in
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the way that we’re doing with the cancer center provided to raise questions for dependability purposes. And I would support
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the motion in this point that the offer is inadequate for our range. I do have a hard stop at any minute. So just want to put that out there.
Unknown Speaker 51:14
Well, real quickly, Wes, as far as tying down a good number are ways that I don’t know that
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the Platte River Power Authority has told us at that date, I think they’re they have to go to their board. They set their again, they close the their bid on August 22.
Unknown Speaker 51:40
They were they were pleased with the bids and they anticipate selling all five units. But I don’t know what their process is, I would like to think it’s within a month the board is going to take action on those visit received orders. My point is, before we lock I think return is we want to know
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before we lock in a number
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be accepted bids. Yeah, they’ve received, like I said they’ve got five bids from five entities. So you may have one and even one at all five may have a second at one to three, the third one that had one. And so they’re going to take
Unknown Speaker 52:19
presume working top down one and then maybe 2111 or whatever. So I think what I’m hearing you say is whichever ones they’re using for the five except that’s the best value that you’re looking for. Maybe it might even go so far as to say what the average sales price is. I guess what I’m saying rather than what we decide on a number of our intention.
Unknown Speaker 52:48
We just visit you. So that’s no problem, I think. Yeah, yeah, we have another quarterly review in December.
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reasonably certain they’ll have that review.
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Board Meeting December.
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Board meeting is in November, but they didn’t have their meeting before the December waterboard meeting. Oh, yes.
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about what’s Council’s process? Would we take this information to council on a study session
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or an executive session where you know, we’re providing a range. But no matter what the increase is going to be significant. Even if you know it’s 3800 bucks may take it off, that’s still looking at that average jumps it up to 57. Five. So it’s significant. And you’re still going to want to go through that process.
Unknown Speaker 53:53
That gives you certainly time to hear back from the board. But to be able to present this information to council now whether it’s a study session Executive Session, to get a sense of direction would be my thoughts. And again, it’s going to be that range of 57, five to 64 or five, which is a significant increase. You still don’t want to do that. Do a six month process or pick a date when it’s going to be done? Well, I think what we have to do,
Unknown Speaker 54:22
but I think there should be a clear date so that it doesn’t Yeah, otherwise it feels loosey goosey. Like I would agree somebody’s buddy gets in and somebody else doesn’t need to process
Unknown Speaker 54:34
something No, I think what we’re saying is we want to wait
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before we use
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Yeah, but anyway, Scott as I think broadly, a decision is not going to be made today.
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We get more information. So I just want you to know that.
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So you’re safe Roger, appreciate it make snaps and I was positioned as one
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like, faster than nominate that possibility. But I prefer to wait until a lover because it’s an audit. And if we’re strong enough for people at a substantial increase in
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months ago 30%, give or take. So to be able to articulate clearly what
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and why, okay.
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I just thought the words changed quite a bit since 18 months ago, and someone who’s changed. But
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that perspective is informing this conversation. Yes. But
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I like to remind the board that the last time, there was
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a recommendation from the board, which I believe was the 18 months ago to stay the course. And its course it’s been state, of course, ever since
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the council was confronted by the public, who said, we’re leaving money on the table, look at all the fees and lose charge by the surrounding
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And, you know, their point was that we’re not looking at what the market will bear, we’re only looking at costs.
Unknown Speaker 56:27
And, you know, and the council changed that. Right. And, and so
Unknown Speaker 56:33
this, this, this process that PRPs has gone through, is, to me, it sounds like an indicator of what the market will bear. But is it necessarily the only indicator? You know, should we still not be looking at what has happened in the last 18 months? Coming up on two years, by this time, it gives us a good idea of what other municipalities other purchasers of water rights are doing.
Unknown Speaker 57:07
We actually, in the past
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wasn’t happy to continue to include that we wanted to focus today on
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we knew this was a big enough.
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It was like, wow,
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but more than happy to continue.
Unknown Speaker 57:29
I was just gonna say that, because there’s been some some of the arbitrary.
Unknown Speaker 57:34
I mean, it may be helpful to rehash just a tiny bit of like, our previous number came about, right. And if I recall, a few months ago, we went from 18 something up to 48 something right, so, so so that that was a much larger James, and we’re talking about now, I mean, it’s another it’s another
Unknown Speaker 57:59
100% or so different than what terms of percentage changes before so so of course, that was that was a shock to the system. I think this when I hear the numbers 48 Number 64. I’m like was like almost in the same world? I guess unless I’m spending your money.
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but at the same time, it’s not not nearly the increase, I don’t think that we did before and so
Unknown Speaker 58:33
so in terms of getting the message out there, I think that we still of course, do that. And of course people will still be shocked, perhaps you know, especially if they’re going to spend the money but maybe not quite as much as
Unknown Speaker 58:55
I think this is Iris
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hold us over until we get firm numbers. I think everybody should be more comfortable that
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we feel will know even more about how we can continue to report back to the board but we’re here
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today summer early preview.
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Rain you’re in
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So Scott, wrap that up
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being here the next time we do this guy
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okay, well thanks for the information and I guess
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points been made.
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On the board review of water board bylaws
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I’ll just let the board know that last month we took to the board, the name, and the still current federal revitalises guys are operating under
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those were created back in November 2021. And last month
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it was brought to our attention that there was a few different dates, that would for consistency saving sense to keep those similar. So there was a couple changes that were made. One was, I think, in Section Five in terms of
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providing the board with the packets
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not less than three days before. And then the second one was a resolutions shall be presented to the Board at least three days. So we made those couple
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changes to make it consistent. And these are your bylaws you guys use. So just I usually it makes sense to have a bylaws that are current and make sense to the board. So
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except these or get other changes, you want us to make them again, they’re your bylaws.
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In general, we have the opportunity to voice the changes we wanted, basically, that’s been taken care of. That’s correct. So I don’t know if there’s anybody has any desire to bring anything else. But like the grounds has been covered
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you would probably
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want to make a motion to accept
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and will probably anticipate just for what it’s worth to great leaves next July this July or August, that seems to make sense. If there’s a new board member, then that’s a good time for everyone to freshen up on what your bylaws are and get the new person. So that’s the whole plan
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in July or August of next year.
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So let’s that that leads me to think nobody’s going off this half year, and we’re full up. Is that correct? That’s correct. How refreshing.
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any comments on major projects project?
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We’re trying to give,
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we have several different items, and they’re all listed there and your status report and trying to have it to where we did have kind of
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significant items each month. So you can see that there was something scheduled for September, October, so forth, but sometimes
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for whatever reason, groups can’t attend, so we’ll adjust accordingly. But we’ll try to reschedule the strategic integration group as soon as we can. And continue to get everybody’s an idea when
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are they going to present? Today we’re going to talk mainly a lot about what Renee was bringing up about the fees and how they came to be and what those fees are. Great. You’ll ask your question and then as they are the experts know, I’m gonna need this will take care of it. Exactly. So we’re gonna, we’ll see we’ll do our best to try to see if we can get them
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to one word as soon as possible.
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Well, Becky Doyle’s he’s a director for that and so I don’t know if people will be hurt or it’ll be somebody enemies or
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she was going to have very good marketing. actual presentation, right.
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Let’s see. Stuart feels the newer
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would have been great.
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We’ll get there.
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You gotta discuss with your water board. Agenda is made
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gonna be coming back west, unless there was something else that the board would like us to make sure we get as an on the on the docket.
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We don’t have anything
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kind of a personal life for me. How many houses is water resources currently?
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What’s the status of those houses?
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Are they in the process of being shifted into another workgroup
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or water resource and being compensated for that?
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You know, be nice to have an understanding of that, because I know, it’s my understanding that there’s now an MOU between the housing authority and maybe natural resources.
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But I know the same type of houses that fall into those categories. Is there an MOU between
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MOU that could involve houses owned by the open space,
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open space fund, as well as one house
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surrounded by the
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number of houses that we were purchased by land around?
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Yeah, that’s gonna be easier if we
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did a quick write up on that. And we can bring that back. Yeah.
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For houses, they occupied, they’re occupied. They’re rented right now.
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To prevent rented rented by people, we purchased the property
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kind of gentleman’s agreement.
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Why was a three year term?
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Probably about a year and a half.
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Also leasing the property 14
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was going right into the other two current tenants leases expire, then the lease. Right now we use a Property Management Agency lease.
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The lease will be against your housing authority.
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Just as a better understanding, again, we’re talking about
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at least $2 million worth of assets that are owned by as water resources. And
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we don’t get back. Yeah. All right. Just curious. All right.
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Anybody got anything else? Before we adjourn?
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Thank you. We’re here.
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