Senior Citizens Advisory Board – June 2025

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Senior Citizens Advisory Board – June 2025

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The Senior Citizens Advisory Board meeting in June 2025 discussed the Vision Zero program for Longmont, focusing on eliminating fatal and serious injury roadway crashes by 2040. Key points included the five safe system elements: safer people, safer speeds, safer roads, safer vehicles, and post-crash care. The program prioritizes vulnerable road users, particularly youth, older adults, and those with disabilities. The board emphasized the need for inclusive engagement, especially with senior citizens, and discussed the importance of simplifying signage and addressing local road needs. The meeting also highlighted the success of recent outreach efforts and the importance of gradual implementation to manage capacity at the Senior Center. The Senior Citizens Advisory Board discussed meeting schedules, with meetings on the first Friday of the month except July. The June meeting will be at Lions Library, with transportation provided. Key topics included the Friends Meeting, strategic planning, and funding priorities. The Friends Board’s $3 million budget ranked staff expansion, senior center expansion, and technology upgrades as top priorities. The board also discussed employment programs for seniors, focusing on Boulder Workforce and resource specialists. Future meetings will include Friends Group members to enhance communication and understanding of services provided. The meeting concluded with a discussion on housing and sustainability issues.

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Yeah, let’s go ahead and start the meeting. We’ll see if Maria comes in.

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Roll Call, everybody but Maria, Marta, John, Ronnie, anybody else? Oh, right. Christine Pacheco, but I think that’s why you’re here. You’re like, representing correct the city, the city management, okay, approval of the agenda. Does anybody have any additions or corrections? Okay? Can I get a thank you, thank you.

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Public invited to be heard. Is anybody here from the public? Nope, okay, approval of previous months. Minutes. Let me just ask. First, did everybody get a chance to read all of the attachments that came that Ronnie sent to us about the meeting? Okay? Does anybody have any corrections to the last month’s minutes? One small one. Okay,

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just my name. It’s spelled with two hands.

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Pretty common. So it’s what? It’s two pill one with two. Also, p, i,

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L, L, M, a, n, n, Okay, gotcha, okay. Can I have a motion to approve previous month?

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I have a couple of, Oh, I’m sorry. Go ahead. Okay. So one, I think I was absent that time. I think number A updates Sandy cedars name, last name is spelled incorrectly. The other thing is, is we’ve talked about this before, and I think it would move us along a little faster. Is Ronnie expects us to turn in our information on our reports ahead of time, which we do, and I think that in the minutes, and even when we’re in the meeting, maybe all we needs to be said is the reports attached if there’s

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any questions, you know. So that way, so we don’t get faster. Yeah, okay, go ahead.

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So that way, when you say no updates, you know, that type of thing. So we just because they’re all attached when this stuff comes out. So, okay, okay,

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I’m going to check something when Jamie’s talking. Okay. So new business, I would like to introduce everybody to CAMI Edson and

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tell me your name again. Dylan.

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Silva. Dylan, very nice to meet you both. They are with the Vision Zero program for Longmont, and we did have somebody drop out who was going to be speaking today. And Cami was great about being available to come in, because we’ve all been talking about Vision Zero, and we just never put it into a slot in a meeting. So as soon as we had a slot open, I was like, Ronnie, this is a perfect opportunity to get Vision Zero in here. So I’m so glad you were available. And Tammy, take it away. Sure.

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Thank you, Lonnie, and thanks for inviting us all today. I know last year you had a few presentations on the transportation mobility plan, and Vision Zero was going to maybe come with it a couple times, but then we realized it might not make sense, being that we’re so new, and they needed to kind of focus on that plan, but Vision Zero on the transportation master plan are really going to sync together. So some of the things that we talk about you may have heard before, might sound familiar, but we just want to start off by saying we want to the goal is we are going to develop a vision, zero action plan for the city. It will feather together with the TMP, and then whenever we do an update on either plan. Again, it will just become one plan. They were designed initially now, because Vision Zero staff came on board after there was transportation staff, since we’re pretty new as far as the strategy for the city, but ultimately they work together. They’re intended to go together. And moving forward, we won’t have two plans. We’ll always have one plan moving forward, where the transportation mobility plan and Vision Zero are just interlinked and essentially the same as Vision Zero is sort of the strategy we want to infuse across how we manage our entire transportation system. So Vision Zero. Go ahead, Dylan, go to the next slide. These are kind of this is our brief agenda for today. We’re going to do an introduction review of kind of the what, who, how, when, of Vision Zero, a real, basic introduction. We know full well. You will have lots of questions, and we may not have time to get to all of them. So Dylan and I always like to offer, we’re happy to come back. We can meet again with a subgroup, if anybody who. Want to get into the weeds a little bit more. Maybe everyone isn’t interested. If you all are interested, we’ll work with you however it makes sense, so you can get the information about Vision Zero you need. Because we’re just going to kind of scrape the surface and the time we have. We’re also going to spend some time talking about senior focused engagement, specifically around the action plan, because we’ll get into that. You’re one of our key primary groups that Vision Zero wants to focus on. So we want to make sure, when we do this action plan and develop it, that we’re really engaging with seniors in the right way and in all the different ways we can so we want to introduce those two topics. Go ahead. Dylan, sort of our plan. Oh, go ahead. So just to launch right in what is Vision Zero. So what I want you to take away from it is that it is not a program, it is not a project. It is really a set of strategies. It’s like a different approach. It’s a different lens on how to address managing the transportation system. And what it really is is it’s people centered versus vehicle centered, ever since the creation of the car, and as you can imagine, over the last 7080, years, it’s just been moving traffic as quickly as possible. Has been what the transportation system is sort of focused on. In short, it’s a lot more complicated than that, but it’s really been a vehicle focused system. Vision Zero flips that script. It really is saying, let’s put people first, so And let’s put the most vulnerable people first, as like, how do we make our system safer? So those who are the most at risk outside of vehicles are protected. So as whatever mode they choose to move around in, they’re going to have a safe experience. And that probably doesn’t feel true for most of us today. So that is sort of the idea that we flip the script away from focusing on vehicles to putting people at the top of the sort of the food chain, as far as who matters and who should we be designing or managing our system for? So you can see in the pictures, just sort of a difference in the traditional approach versus the Vision Zero approach. Go ahead Dylan, so in 2023 City Council adopted essentially a resolution that says we are now a Vision Zero city, and we have a goal to eliminate so get to zero, literally eliminate all fatal and serious injury roadway crashes by 2040 so we have 15 years to accomplish this goal. Everyone always asks, Do you feel like is it accomplishable? Is it doable? And I do. I really think I do. A lot of people doubt it. There’s a lot of skeptics out there, but there is a pathway. There are systems. I’ll introduce you to those on how we’re going to get there. But just wanted to point out you may be well aware of this, especially as informed board members, but the city council has three core services, transportation is one of them. Sorry, this is looking a little blurry, but I just wanted to point out in the transportation description, I don’t know if you can read that at all, but it essentially says we would like a transportation mobility system that works for all modes, all abilities, with Vision Zero at its core. So Vision Zero is named as a council priority to let’s start infusing these strategies as a way we manage our transportation system. So we’re trying to we’re going to try to bake it into the entire system. That’s why I want it to be clear. It’s not a program or a project that’s just going to operate independently as its own thing. It’s going to be across kind of the whole system. Go ahead. So how we accomplish Vision Zero? How do we get to that goal of fatal or Zero Fatalities and zero serious injuries, is there is a framework or approach that’s called the safe system. The SAFE system has been adopted from Europe, where they’ve already successfully implemented this. It’s been adopted by the government, us, government, state governments, local communities. This is a framework of how, kind of the how do we implement it that we reach there. So the system is made up of these five safe system elements. They’re safer people, safer speeds, safer roads, safer vehicles and post crash care, all of the work we do moving forward should fall into one of these buckets if we aren’t addressing safer roads from a perspective of making it safer for the most vulnerable while still moving traffic, which is still important reducing speeds into the idea of right. The higher the speed, the more kinetic energy, the more kinetic energy is, the more severe the crash is going to be. So the more we can reduce the kinetic energy in a crash, we should have less severe and less fatal injuries. So really looking at all the different ways we can approach making speeds safer and longer, safer people. What can people do? Their behaviors, their choices? How can. At the education they are receiving or not receiving. The road design the way we design our roads right now, we have a lot of very wide open roads that whatever the posted speed is doesn’t mean that’s what the speed limit people go our brains resonate with the speed limit sign. We know logically what it’s telling us to do, but what the road is actually guiding you to do is a totally different thing. So really thinking about, how can we redesign roads, intersections, trail heads, things that can be more self enforcing, that you’re less likely to make a mistake and hurt someone or get hurt yourself. So road design is going to be key to this. Safer vehicles? Well, they get bigger and bigger and bigger, right? The kinetic energy in a crash, if you have a little person and a giant truck, we know what’s going to happen, versus a smaller car, smaller people, what’s likely going to happen, slower speeds. All of these things, you can see how all of these working together are going to help us get to that goal of reducing our fatal injuries, and our fatal injuries and our serious injuries post crunch care has a lot to do with what happens right when there is an emergency. What kind of care are people getting from the moment they’re injured to the time they get to the hospital? What happens at the hospital, and then even beyond that, like survivor support, what sort of things can happen to make sure that people are getting the best care possible, to increase their chances of surviving a crash. So all of these things together, the safe system, again, we could totally get into the weeds. We don’t have time today, but if you’re interested, we’re happy to go down those, any of these paths with you. Go ahead, dill. So

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who gets prioritized in Vision Zero, vulnerable road users. VR use. It’s very it’s a very key term you’ll probably hear me talk a lot about when we’re getting jargony. But in short, the Colorado law defines vulnerable road users as someone who is not shielded by a vehicle and who is therefore at greater risk of injury or crash with a motor vehicle. So as you can see, Vision Zero is prioritizing vulnerable road users, again, anyone who’s not protected by all of the great protections that vehicles had advanced, though that doesn’t necessarily make them safe for anyone outside of the vehicle, safer for people inside the vehicles, not as safe for people outside the vehicles, so priority vulnerable road user groups for the city are youth, older adults and those experiencing disabilities. They’re kind of the logical ones. Go ahead. Dylan, I have one more. What this encompasses is kind of any pedestrian walkers, anyone just using their feet in any way, or their legs to move any type of cyclists or wheels, so even skateboarders, roller skaters, anybody like that, anyone using a mobility device, anyone on the roadside working right, they’re much more exposed in a high risk situation, emergency personnel. I mean, when you think about our tow truck operators or the construction workers. You know, all of those folks, all of these folks do not have that protection every they’re all considered vulnerable road users. So we really want to look at those five elements, safer people, safer roads, safer vehicles, post crash, care, all of that is, how do we start addressing plans, policies, procedures, projects, programs that the city implements to make sure that these folks are getting the attention they deserve, because we’ve only been focusing on vehicles, if we’re being honest. So this is kind of that flip the script. We need to start managing our transportation system just differently and focusing on these folks go ahead. So Dylan and I were both hired last year in 2024 about six months apart, so we’re really just getting this work launched. I’m not going to go into detail about all of the things on this list, but just wanted to show you we’ve started a bunch of stuff. A lot of the stuff is still ongoing. We’re looking at baseline data analysis. The city has been producing a crash report. A lot of you might be familiar with the city of one not crash report, which is great. Traffic Engineering has been doing that for years, but it’s really looking at all crashes. There has never been the concentrated effort to really hone in on what’s going on with our fatal and severe injury crashes. So we’re going back and looking at just the fatal and severe injury crashes, since that is the goal we’ve been given is to reduce those to zero. And we’re we’re building data management systems and trying to come up with, you know, what do we need to start being able to share more transparently what we know about what’s happening in our fatal and serious injury crashes. We’ve been working real hard between Illinois and I to sort of identify who are these potential stakeholder groups and vru vulnerable road user groups that we should be talking with and connecting with before we launch our action plan effort. To make sure that those folks can be involved in that effort.

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We’ve been pre drafting a plan, just kind of getting it ready before we hire consultants who will kind of take over and, you know, do all the writing on that part. We secured some grant funding. We hosted a World Day of Remembrance. We can we’ll definitely share more about that with you all later Each fall, it’s a day to honor that those we have lost or who have been injured, and toward to give family members or friends who have lost someone a place to come and honor folks that we’ve lost. We developed a website, a newsletter, a task force, there’s subcommittees we can talk a little bit more about those later. So what we know from the work that we’ve already completed, I’m going to just give you a sample of the type of data we’ve been analyzing, but we’ve really been honing in, like I said, on fatal and serious injury crashes. So here are some of the numbers. Go ahead. Dylan, so we have a lot of data and tables we have been looking at our crash types. So when we look at what kind of crashes are going on in Longmont, left turns are our number one cause of fatal and serious injury crashes. The next most common is broadside to the next to the next. So these are the top 10 crash types contributing to our fatal and serious injury crashes. Go ahead, Dylan, we’ve also been working on some mapping kind of data. So not that you can see this or understand this here, but it’s a heat map. Essentially, the yellower it is, the brighter it is. That is where our concentration there’s a higher concentration of fatal and serious injuries. So we’ve been looking at a numbers game, a types game, a locations game. We’re working on all of this analysis behind the scenes, all this different type of data we have almost done to present to the public, kind of, here’s our baseline data set that we know of to sort of launch into the action planning process. So all of this type of stuff is available if you want it. It’s just not all publicly available yet because we’re trying to get it formatted in a way that we can share it in a transparent, kind of publicly digestible way.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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So before this popped up, the heat map, there was the top 10 there. Oh yeah, it looks like so at left turn one, number one, that’s vehicle to vehicle. Number two is vehicle to vehicle.

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A lot of them are going to be vehicle to vehicle. And

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that’s not i Correct. That’s really not your focus. Your

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focus. We still want to focus on reducing fatal and serious crashes as a whole, but when we make safety improvements to address these crashes, we want to make sure that pedestrians and cyclists and all of those are also prioritized in those design if it’s a design change, so it gets safer for everyone, instead of just redesigning the road to move the vehicles and not considering other folks who have to navigate those Same spaces. Because, as you can see, pedestrian crashes still are top five bike crashes, top six. Like it’s still happening. But yes, car to car is a great, higher amount of our fatal crashes. So at least

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a follow up on the bike, motorized bike, one of the things that I’ve noticed on my street, certainly driving around town, is the increasing prevalence of these electrified not just bicycles, but these, but these, literally mini bikes electrified. Yeah, I’m not, I don’t think I if they’re supposed to be licensed. I’m not saying there’s

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no regulations at all at the state. And we’re doing and they’re doing down my street. They’re doing 40 miles an hour. So the only thing about that’s supposed to be governor, you know, Governor to a speed limit. The ones I’m seeing, they’re doing a good solid 40 miles an hour down the street.

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Yeah, that is definitely on anybody’s radar who’s working in the transportation safety field of this whole new

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category of vehicles, essentially, mode types is scary for some and dangerous and posing problems, and there needs to be. So there’s definitely people working on it.

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So I don’t have the perfect answer, but just know it’s definitely on the radar and something we’ll work on. Let me get through this real quick. Just I only have two more slides. Oh, sorry, I do

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have a perfect answer. Okay, no, I’m just kidding. But I did want to note on that that is something we’re looking at from a transportation demand management strategy, separate from the Vision Zero process as well. One of the things that we’re looking at explicitly this winter was just like, what’s the data show about where, like, electric bikes are going to be going longer term, and there are different classifications electric bikes too. The data from the state indicates that we might be getting to, I have a question about, oh, that we might that were expected to get to about the equivalent of 10% of the current registered vehicles on the road. I would that numbers about 120,000 ish would be electric bikes come 2030, not in Walmart, per se, but like across the state. So that is, that is a meaningful percentage of them of the transportation system now. And so we are actively thinking about some of those pieces, and what types of trails or roads or bike lanes need to be in place to really

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support there’s an active work group right now at the city looking at E bike speeds, trail interactions. Should we be posting speeds like all these discussions are definitely happening. There’s just not necessarily the decisions or guidance or decisions made yet. But these discussions are happening with transportation folks, environmental

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folks. These observations and comments are particularly insightful, yes, absolutely inform those kinds of considerations. Clarification I had on this chart, I’m sorry,

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because I didn’t present it in a way that you can really see it or digest it. But so the

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fatalities, so fatalities versus fatal crashes here the identical, same numbers and years. And I presume that distinction, what that’s trying to show is that people right? It’s people versus crash incidents. But really, what we would be taking away from that would be, you could have like, 20 fatalities from one crash, right? The discrete number of incidents versus a discrete number of fatalities? Yeah, thank

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you for that. It just happened to be that they matched in these years, but some years it could be that there’s one fatal crash, but there was three to four victims, so this number would be higher. And so we will always try to present for consistently the people number first, the crash number, the Incident Number,

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though, interestingly, what the city has the most control over is the

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crash. But right the people who are dying, it’s the people who are matters. The people count. We want to get to zero, you know, like there may still be crashes. We’re not going to eliminate crashes in long line, but the goal is to eliminate those ones that are killing people and are seriously harming them. Their life has changed forever after. So again, we can totally dig into data, and we will in our task force. We’ll talk about that. That’s a place where for folk help, or excuse me, members of the public are really interested in getting into these topics. We have a task force. We can tell you about that too. And so we bring all of this to our public facing Task Force as a way to share with the public, as well as the newsletter website. And again, we’re trying to develop some new ways to share the data more transparently. So just in short, go ahead and click the next window we’re working on. These are some of the as we’re finishing up our baseline data analysis in 2025 we need to update a lot with the 2024 crash information that has just been made available, and we’re cleaning it now, so we need to update a bunch. And here are some data analysis, things that we haven’t done yet based on our fatal and serious injury crashes, is really what are those key locations? We sort of know from our heat map that the specific intersections, the specific segments on the road, what are the conditions around those areas, like lighting pavement, all these different conditions looking at, not, let’s not wait for crashes to happen, but based on what we’ve learned from where they have happened, how can we be predictive and say these conditions exist similarly in other places? So let’s go fix them too, before there’s a fatal crash, to try to prevent them from happening. As well as looking at, there is a lot of science and research behind what are the effective counter measures for what you should be doing to rebuild your roads differently or manage your transportation system differently? So we’ll be doing the work to match up based on locations and crash types and all of that. What are the proven effective counter measures that make sense for what’s been going on here. So we will address things from hot spots. We’ll address things from, like, a systemic point of view, like, where are the same things happening in the same way? Let’s go fix those situations. And then, as we’re like, system wide, where can we go and just be preventative in addressing these types of crashes? So good news is, when we’re doing all of this relates back to, like I said, the work in these five buckets, it will all connect to one of these safe system elements. If it doesn’t, we probably shouldn’t be used, wasting our precious resources on it. So we will make sure that everything that comes out of our vision, zero action plan, as far as recommendations, projects, budgets, that we can tie it to one of these safe system buckets to make sure we’re staying true too, we know we’re addressing the greatest issues and putting our limited resources where they need to go, and not focusing on things in the transportation system that aren’t necessarily going To make it safer for folks out there. So this is what’s coming next in 2025, lots to come about this, but we are developing that action plan. Like I mentioned at the beginning, the transportation mobility plan was adopted february, march. Can’t remember the exact date, but at the beginning of this. Year with the idea Vision Zero is definitely mentioned and set up to basically be what comes next after the transportation mobility plan, which is really where we’re going to get into those specific projects, about where do we need to design and rebuild things? What are those specific programs we need to launch? What are those specific procedures we either need to change or develop from scratch that don’t exist. What are those policies that exist, that need to be changed or be developed that don’t exist to make sure that we can accomplish the Vision Zero goal? Because we might have things in our standards and policies right now that would be really helpful to do, but our standards right now are a little outdated and may not allow us to so there’s going to still be a lot of setup work that needs to happen while we start figuring out what projects Can we start now and seek funding for to get them done essentially as soon as possible.

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Answer A quick question about funding. So you mentioned earlier grant. Where are your funding sources primarily from?

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So right now the city is funding at a certain level. There’s internal city funds, funding sense of but we also got a federal grant. It’s paused. It’s one of those that’s been paused. So we’re looking at alternative funding sources to pay for this. We have found we’re going to pay for the internal the action plan with internal funds. So we don’t just wait and wait and wait and wait for federal funds. There’s been a little action on the federal funds. The funding that we got with one of the first batches the federal government has released as of Friday, so we’ve been waiting six months, and it was released on Friday. So new language in contracts. We’ll have to figure out, you know, what’s going on with the money. But we’re gonna we’re moving ahead with internal funds as far as we can get while we still wait for grant funds. So to get to developing our action plan, which ideally we would like to start in September, essentially, we’re going to do an annual Vision Zero update, hopefully to council in August, using that as a hey, we’re launching into the action plan, sort of officially with the public, in September. That’s sort of the time frame we’re looking at. These are the things that we’re going to want to try to accomplish and work on between now and then. So this is a we like you connecting with a lot of the advisory boards to talk about engagement, which is Dylan going to do next year. We are going to launch a bunch of the data sharing this transparent data sharing platforms that we’ve been building. We want to get those launched before we start. We need to identify our consultants. We need to some develop some additional educational marketing materials. We will be launching a steering committee specifically for the development of the action plan. I’ll probably send some information to you, honey and maybe Ronnie too, about can there maybe be a representative from this board, from a staff perspective, and maybe the board member perspective on that steering committee, knowing that older adults is one of our key priority groups, we want to make sure that as the plan is being developed, that you all see from the lens, that you can offer your expertise, from that we’re not missing the boat on tackling things from the perspective of, will this help older adults, just like we want to do the same. Will this help youth and families just like the other? Will this help folks with disabilities? Will this help reduce fatal and serious injury crashes? So we’ll have an official group that will meet a set number of times. There’ll be an invite for that, but just know, I’ll probably follow up with the specifics around that invite to get involved with you and Robin, if that’s right. Okay, I’m gonna get through Mike says, so we can get to Dylan’s stuff. So real quick screenshot of our very basic Vision Zero webpage right now, if you go here, here’s the website, and we can send it in a link afterwards and share it with you all, if that’s easiest, if you’d like that again, Dylan also sent around the sign up sheet, if anybody would prefer that way. But you can register online to attend our Vision Zero task force meetings, and that is a group of members of the public who have been learning about Vision Zero, why we’ve kind of been building up towards the action plan. Those meetings every two months right now, our next meeting happens to be tomorrow night. Here, six, start times six. Yeah, yeah. Six to 730 had so many meetings this week, I got lost. So anyone’s more than welcome to come. If you don’t register, that’s okay. You’re still more than welcome to come. It just helps us. We provide food so it gives us a food count. You can also sign up for our newsletter, but if you assign this today, you’ll automatically get signed up. And yeah, the and then, coming soon, is going to be the action plan development. It’s going to be really a lot of community based discussions and events that we’ll do, and then they’ll be the steering committee. It’s kind of the two big buckets that will move forward to engage with community. Oh sure, six to 730 in the big front room, sort of Bucha. Or whatever is cool. So I’m going to kick it over to Dylan now we can. We have time for question and answers at the end. I know we can open a huge can of worms about specifics, but we really want to use the rest of the time, if we’re open to it, to have Dylan lead you through a guided discussion around community engagement and seniors, and then we can do our Q and A at the end, so we don’t waste too much time on some of the stuff I presented, because I can always come back and do more with him. I want to be

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respectful of time. I know it’s 1033 so this could be a full presentation in and of its own. So I don’t want to rush through this, because this is really, really important. So I’ll leave it up to you all. I’m not sure exactly what time, so we can always come back on the sticky notes. What you could do if we can’t have this conversation today is just write down three groups, community groups, nonprofits, organizations that you want us to reach out to. And from now until we have this discussion about community engagement, we can try to reach out to them, start kind of building those connections. So you don’t want to take up all your time. So I know we only have

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30 minutes if we actually had longer plans for the other presentation, so you can still do about 15 minutes. Sure. Would that be okay? That works for us. Could you get enough done that you feel like it’s worth

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it? Yeah? Yeah, definitely so good. Let’s go ahead

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and do that. Okay? Right,

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so don’t do anything with the sticky notes there, because I do have, we do have some questions here in the discussion. So part of Vision Zero will be community engagement. We really want to inform the action plan from the community level up, obviously changing some of the more systematic pieces making our roads safer, and ultimately getting to the 2040, goal of 00, traffic crashes and fatalities and serious injuries. So I did want to frame community engagement, because there’s so many different definitions. For the sake of this presentation, we’ll kind of frame community engagement as an internal process with the purpose of working inclusive and inclusive and respectful ways to shape decisions, actions, impact, sport, change. So just very broadly, this process is both purpose is purposeful and goal driven, trust and relationship focused, value, space and people centered, inclusive and equity centered, and impact outcome oriented. So just kind of the general definition for you all the city operates on this levels of community engagement framework. So we start with the inform at the bottom. Information is given to the community. Consult, obtain feedback from the community, involve committee input influences the process and partner work as equals, and each one of those has their subsequent kind of promises to those people who are in that in that category. So starting from partner will work with you as equal partners. So that’s shared decision making, and it is less commonly used because it’s complex and it does involve a lot of technical knowledge of the project going down to involve the work to ensure community concerns are understood and reflected in decision making. And this is the opportunity to contribute and influence the decision or proposition policy. And the city is ultimately the decision maker, and we will consider your comments and decision making at the consult level, get feedback from community. City is still the decision maker in this case, and then at the very bottom, we’ll provide the community with accurate, balanced, objective information. The city is still the decision maker in this case, and it is more widely used. This is more like news, press releases, news newsletters, and kind of, in some cases, outreach as well. So a lot of their projects, if not all of them that involve communication, will fall into this framework. And it’s not to say that it kind of stacks up like that. I think the geometry of this framework is a little bit confusing, but it does one the level above it does require the level below it, so it’s kind of kind of builds on its own way. So in terms of vision zero engagement what will it look like for older adults? So the initial phases for from the vision vision zero engagement plan seek to gather input from older adults to understand engagement preferences, concept build around Vision Zero, the safe system and transportation planning for equitable and informed input, and then create paths to engagement that meet people where they’re at in languages they prefer, and that language can also be in simplified terms, so that we’re not using jargon, and people really understand what is happening, but also in different languages, just from different geographic places, and also build relationships for engagement. One thing that we’re noticing internally is that people who show up and like to engage with their city often come back and continue to engage with us. So really building relationships and sustaining those over time ultimately gets us further and. Makes the community confusion a lot better. So that’s kind of where we’re going with the engagement for vision zero.

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So I had a question for you all. This is just a broad question, where are the consistent engagement gaps? So when someone has come to you, they can be city or in other situations, what do you all feel is often left out. What do you think is keeping you all from participating and giving really informed input and ultimately wanting to continue to engage? So a couple of considerations is, ultimately, is it? Is the engagement process easy to understand? Do you know why you’re there? Do you know what is being asked of you language? Are the terms easy to understand. Are you, have you all been like, Have you all been given kind of the introduction presentation, as to the broader picture of of the of the project, or whatever is being proposed concepts? Do you have the information to give your give informed input? So do you all know? Do you know essentially what your input is, how is going to influence the process? And it can be as simple as time and place. Is the engagement session, workshop, whatever it might be, is it easy to is it easy to get to? Is it convenient? Is it accessible? And then ultimately, are you informed of how your input impacted the process or decision? So just a very general question for anyone who’s willing to answer out, what do you all see is are kind of out of the gaps for impeachment. I’m not sure it’s 100% alignment with this, but I’m gonna go

36:32
back to the time we talked with you on spruce Avenue, yeah, and what our concern was is that they had put two stop signs up on Third Avenue between Bowen and sunset to two new stop signs. And so traffic, more traffic was diverting down spruce. And so the volume of traffic is increased on spruce. And because Bruce has no stop signs between or no really anything, no crosswalks, no speed bumps, no stop signs, nothing to really slow down traffic between bow and sunset, there are times when the speeds get pretty high, especially it can happen any time of day, but it really, I really notice it like six o’clock in the morning when I’m taking the dogs out to go potty and things like that, and it’s still a little bit dusk out and there regards doing easily 40 miles an hour down spruce. Bottom line is, we had talked about, hey, what would it take to get some sort of mitigation put in on spruce? I think the answer was, is that this is from Caroline primarily. Was it? Well, we have ordinances. We have codes that say certain traffic counts, certain things have to happen before we would even begin to entertain doing anything to mediate the speed on any street, much less spruce. What that tells me is because it’s a very real problem, and it tells me that our perhaps our ordinances, and the way we’re we’re handling this today, is not keeping up with with what we need to get done. So we kind of dropped it because we felt like, Oh yeah, you know it’s we’re not going to be able to meet Carolyn’s criteria or the city’s criteria, therefore, I guess we’re just going to have to put up with it. That

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makes sense. So you felt like you got a no solution answer, essentially, and that was kind of the engagement gap, if that’s a fair summary. To answer that directly, program has been acknowledged as lacking and meeting local road needs. It is currently in our whole redesign process so we can bring forward a new program to tab and council to eventually approve with a new budget and like, what is it going to take? What is a new program going to look like that is designed to address local road needs versus major arterials or collectors who have different needs, but the local, the smallest road needs in a meaningful, responsive way. So not it doesn’t mean we have the answers or the policies or the procedures in place yet, or the budget place yet to do anything on spruce, but just so you know that it’s been acknowledged their current program is insufficient, and a new program is being designed, also incorporating Vision Zero perspective. So hopefully in the future, that experience of a no response response doesn’t happen when these kinds of conversations happen. Because we know lots of you have had those sort of similar interactions. Unfortunately, you know, when it comes to what can we do on the local roads, so we know there needs to be a better risk, a different option.

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And the other thing that’s happening is because of housing ordinances that have been enacted, ADUs and infill. So the density along those local roads is only on your increase, right, which includes traffic and pedestrians and everything else,

40:09
right? Anyone else and

40:11
good, this will probably fall into the exact same thing, but I’ll mention it anyway. I know that one thing that keeps coming up is the idea that there should be stop signs around every school. There should be four stop signs. I know my neighborhood, it’s central Elementary and it’s hard because Gay Street is a theater road, and yet it goes right next to the school. And so is that something that would come from this new designing of priorities and things that could be addressed instead of getting an answer. No answer. So yeah, the idea of So

40:52
great question, and know exactly what you’re talking about, very common request as well, right? And the way current procedures and policies are set up. It’s not set up to easily say yes to that, necessarily. So the idea of a Safe Routes to School plan for the city, just like safe routes through neighborhoods, Safe Routes to parks, safe for kind of the idea of a safe routes. What are those policies and procedures? When I mentioned that we need to go through and change them, and one of the ones that I know is going to be recommended for people to react to is just that four way stops at all corners around sort of key just so whether that should be senior centers, rec centers, schools like right key destinations where there is a lot of potential interaction between vehicles and vulnerable road users, right and Again, that’s addressing slowing, slowing, safer speeds, safer roads, safer people, all of those safe system elements can get addressed by a simple shift like that type of policy as an example, it’s not a simple thing to make happen overnight, but that has already been identified, and I know will be a recommendation that gets moved forward for people to say, yes, we like it, or no, we don’t need that. So that and many other examples like that will come forward through the Vision Zero action planning process. And I will tell you I know that one for sure is there. And I

42:13
just want to mention that one of the outcomes is the corner of lawns, peak and Kaufman and, oh, okay, the new corner redesign. And I walk it every day, twice a day, and it’s just great. It’s really slowing people down. It’s making people realize that they can’t blow through the lights, and they can’t, you know, just take it upon themselves to kind of decide whether they’re going to go the speed limit or speed up. It’s encouraging people to slow down because they have left lane arrows. But you know, the going forward is still red, so you can’t assume that you can just do whatever you want anymore. And I like that idea. I like the whole idea of, we used to put a lot of emphasis on moving cars quickly through the city. How can we make, you know, cars go quicker through the city, and now the emphasis is on, how do we slow everybody down? You know, it’s not about making people happy to get to work. You know, faster, or anything like that. It’s about being safe and making people feel like they live in a safe town. It’s safe to walk on Main Street. It’s safe to be, you know, around the areas that are heavier traffic. But still, you know, people like to walk on them. So you know that whole idea is just a cool thing, that they are coming back to the idea of make people go slower, you know, narrow roads, or, you know, don’t widen roads so much, new developments are going to have, you know, narrower roads, because not narrow but you know what I mean, they’re not going to make it so that these big, wide open streets are there because you do kind of give everybody permission to go fast when you have wide streets

44:06
to kind of loop it back to what Dylan asked to have these kind of conversations with more people, even beyond like your advisory board. Is there something that we can make sure that we are Dylan and I are very intentional about when we sort of launched the Vision Zero action plans like engagement. Here’s how we’re going to here’s how we’re going to do it with community members around the process, or more concepts like, what should we make sure we do to set those conversations up for success? These similar kinds of conversations up for success

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right now. That takes us really to the next slide, which is what the sticky notes are for. Discussion is the important piece. So I’m glad, I’m glad we’re having it. So with the sticky note, that’s what I would call engagement activity, right? We’re trying to get feedback from you all. And the way I see it, this is really the star discussion. I. Conversation as you as we hope to involve you all throughout the process. So if you could write three key words or a short phrase of what the perfect engagement process? So really thinking about the ideal for you, for your groups, for the people that you interact with, your neighbors, what would that look like? And to make it a little bit easier, you can use these examples. Those are, in some ways, what is often overlooked or fall short, so just three or keywords or a phrase, and then we’ll take that and we’ll start really planning around that feedback, and we’ll also be going to other groups asking similar questions, and that’s going to start informing the engagement plan. So if you all would go ahead and do that, and then that will we’ll start wrapping up the discussion. Let me know if you have any questions too.

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And I just wanted to say too that that looks like what they’re going to do at 21st and main is that same type of intersection. And I think that will be so good because, you know, they make people realize they can’t just blow around town or blow down Main Street, you know, they’re going to have to stop at 21st and a lot of bikes by people walking.

46:12
Thank you for mentioning that, and just as a point of awareness around that, that was the first project that Dylan and I got involved in as staff to infuse the Vision Zero lens into an existing project at the city. There’s a lot of we got hired that, you know, they’re well already in progress, and there’s not a whole lot of opportunity to design change at this point, though, we’re still trying to, you know, we’re learning about all the existing projects and seeing them through and being asked for our opinion, but Dylan was really helpful in trying to get in there and inform the engagement process before it was too late. It wasn’t necessarily the most perfect engagement process, but he is an engagement expert, and so that’s what we’re going to be doing more and more of, is to make sure. So we tried to set that up, even though we weren’t involved from the very beginning, but earlier than any other project at this point, since our time frame has started to say, let’s consider these Vision Zero and community engagement elements through the entire process. So I’m glad that you said you have noticed or see it is that we hope that and it won’t. It won’t mean that’s necessarily perfect yet, right? But that has been the first one that we’ve been able to have some involvement on as a construction project from very early on. So hopefully you’ll just see more and more of this. But again, we need to align city policies, city standards, city budgets, all of this to, you know, really make it rock and roll, right? And that’s going to take some time on the bigger design projects, but we are very excited and happy to see where that went compared to where it could have gone. So we may not have got everything on our wish list, but it’s, it’s going to definitely be an improvement. So thank you for

47:57
acknowledging that. And on our newsletter, there is a section for projects supporting Vision Zero. So you’ll see, you’ll be kept up to date with projects that are kind of implementing the safety first kind of philosophy and approach as well. So and

48:12
hopefully, at the end of our action planning process, right, we’ll have a list of programs and projects all of that, but they will come with what is the recommended budget, meaning, what’s the time frame, almost a little bit more, what is the prescription needed to get this done? Versus let’s just name those plans and just name projects we would like this to happen, but there’s not really kind of the prescription for it. Our plan, or the goal with the Vision Zero action plan, is to build off of like we said, the TMP that sort of identified we would like protected bikeways. We would like there to be completed sidewalk segments. We would like there to be a lot of great things were named in the TMP, but it didn’t necessarily provide the roadmap of how to get there. The Vision Zero action plan is going to provide that more specific roadmap of what elements, what proven safety countermeasures, what budget, what time like. Let’s get the prescription on paper so we can go get it budgeted and approved and done. Essentially, there’s some of that in the TMP, but hopefully Vision Zero will bring in that greater detail on what actually needs to get done and where that might not be in the TMP now, which is why we said we’re going to feather them together now, but moving forward, they will be one plan.

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Do we have a question? Yeah, so I just wanted CAMI first. Thanks again for coming today and for engaging with us here. I wanted to just note that I think these types of conversations tend to attract people who are cyclists, avid walkers, avid transit users, and yet, the people, people who are the users of our transportation system, or this is most actually intended to address, are the people. Drive. I think that includes everyone here from time to time, too. And so I want to just make sure that the engagement process maybe tries to

50:08
work slightly counter to the inherent bias of who would generally show up to those meetings, because really, we’re trying to address driver behavior at the end of the day. And so I just want to make sure that we’re reaching into spaces and parts of our community. Our community where people are not as either more inclined to or not able to bike or walk as much or take chances as much. Because I think that’s really great feedback. Yes, thank you, and agreed.

50:37
I really like this approach. You know,

50:40
it’s really well thought out,

50:42
and I’m almost overwhelmed with all the information you’re throwing out here. But I got a comment about your priority groups. You had young people, the back ways, older seniors and disabled folks. I just have a generic, general comment

51:03
about you need to collect all seniors are not the site, and I know you know that, but to go along with your point, all point, all seniors, we’re different. I’m a whole lot different than when I was when I was 65

51:21
and you need to when you when you start soliciting information, regardless of how you do it, you need to slice and dice that data in ways that you get information that comes out that shows differences between groups. For example, one group ignored all the time. People over 85 there’s lots of them, and that is one of the biggest growing groups that we have in the community. They’re going, I don’t remember what the figure was, a huge figure.

51:54
So people over 85 they have accidents. They like to get around, but they’re generally ignored.

52:02
Minority populations and older, even 85 minority populations, I’m talking about really doing some slicing and dicing to really get at some of the needs of specific groups. And I wonder really, if some of the some of the concerns or the problems that older adults have, are they really that much different than people in general? I don’t know, you know. I know I’m not as sharp and quick as I used to be, but I haven’t had an accident in 25 years. You know? So did we really have more accidents over fatality. So I guess I’m just saying kind of over and over again. You really need to dig into the data and don’t treat seniors as one group, because there’s a whole bunch of subgroups within those that are 55 and older we will commit to doing just that.

53:07
Let me just throw this in too, especially seniors with mobility devices. They’re not driving right, but they have scooters. They have walkers. They have to get across the street a little slower than everybody else. I love that Main Street has increased their their time that it takes to, you know, they give you to walk across right in front of village on Main where I live, is 20. It counts down from 20 to go ahead, and it used to be, I think, 12. And they would literally have to surround somebody on a walker to get them over to the pump house. You know, they’d have to, like all the friends would surround them, and make sure that no cars started going when the light was already red because they couldn’t get across the street. So anyway, just saying that that I’m seeing those improvements, and I’m really liking it. I think it’s

53:53
one more thing I have not chewed on. I don’t know how many times I used to work outside of a big government building. I get chewed out by seniors all the time because I see that stop sign is 2019, 18. And, you know, they think that they have to stop from the very beginning. My point is, keep it simple. Yeah, flashing those signs, yes, it’s common that they are commonly misunderstood. Does that mean right? Stop for 20 seconds, or does that mean go for 20 go, but it’s in red, and most so simplifying signage, not quite true. Simplify some of your stuff, but, but I know what you’re talking about, and lion is just going to mention what you talked about with what they’re called leading pedestrian intervals. So like giving more time to cross or crosswalk is something we’re looking at to make a recommendation as a system wide change. So of course, start where we are having crashes of where key vulnerable populations are, and eventually. Get it so that that is just a standard for the city of Lama, and it gets everywhere. So that’ll be, it’s already on the radar for the traffic engineering team. They’re already working on it, but you’ll probably see that as one of the recommendations that comes out. Those might be an earlier one that we can say, hey, we accomplished it sooner than maybe redesigning all the roads, let’s say as an example. But so these kinds of they Longmont, I will just want to caveat that Longmont has not not been trying to focus on safety for this whole time. There are still really good projects that were here before even we started. And people were working and doing Vision Zero without having kind of a Vision Zero ordinance. They were doing it. But there have been a lot of there’s still systemic barriers and internal barriers to really

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transforming the transportation management system to really be vision like walk the talk and bake it into all the departments, all the systems, all of that kind of good stuff. So if you all think of any other groups we should be talking to, or ideas after you go about like, oh, consider this. When your your engagement plan, please follow up with us. You may be getting there. I’ll let you Yeah, close us out.

56:14
Yeah, for sure. All, everything you all said was, is great feedback. We want this engagement process to be a little different than it’s typically done. We want to focus on qualitative information so you know how people identify themselves, over over 85 or mobility scooters, or even having storytelling interviews like have like really understanding what it means to use our roads, and then having date and quantitative data to back up with the progress where we’re at, where we’re going, and all of that stuff. So

56:45
just wanted to kind of close out. Here is the newsletter, which you all already have signed up. There is our how to contact us, and then just the general public information officer, which is not too relevant here, but if there’s any other questions, you know, reach out to us. We’re happy to come back and continue

57:04
this conversation. Does anybody else

57:07
need this before? Sure, and I can put your sticky

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slide on this under the table.

57:19
Well, thank you everybody, thank you

57:20
for the bonus time. You’re

57:22
welcome. Thank you. Thank you both very much. As I said, we’ve been talking about it for a while. We’d all always had it as a as a topic of interest that we wanted to have, you know, planned for a meeting. So when we had the opportunity, I thought, perfect. This is a vision, zero opportunity in it, and it worked out perfectly. We brought goodies.

57:44
Okay, so they’re backpack or bag covers, so when it can keep your stuff safe, but it also has reflective material on it, so if it is dark, you happen to be outside and unprepared, or maybe you don’t have anything else, this will at least help you be a little bit more visible, and hopefully help keep you or your stuff a little bit drier. So please take them. Take more for families. We’ll just leave them all here. Take as many as want. You want me to come pick them up, or just keep them here at the Senior Center and give them out thank

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you. The goal is to get them out there left over. Oh, a bike towards Hey, a big bike. Local bike set is coming up on June 26 if any of you are interested in attending pancake breakfast, think by the Thomas club, they always serve pancakes down at the Public Safety down the civic center, outside the library. There’s gonna be, I think 12. It’s gonna be the biggest one the city has ever had. There’s gonna be, I think 1215, plus vendors there, so much bigger than ever before. And just the summer, bike to work day is pretty fun. Lots of people show up and stuff, so prizes and things like that. So if that floats your boat and you would like to come participate or walk over, bike over, whatever, just be there. So

58:53
be it third and Kimberly the public safety.

58:56
Oh, so no, in between the library and the city building, there’s that little plaza outside. Yeah, right there. Oh yeah, between third

59:07
and fourth on Cape arc, right outside the library on the west side.

59:14
Thanks everybody. Thank you very much for coming. And I just want to back up just a sec. I was remiss in not introducing Matt. I know you introduced yourself to everybody, but this is our liaison with the City Council, and it is the first meeting he’s been able to make the three meetings he had the three months he was already the new member. He couldn’t make it because he had prior plans for the first Wednesday of three months. So this is the first Wednesday he’s been able to make it welcome. We’re so glad to have you here. We inter we we look forward to your input and your connection with the city. We look forward to giving you information that you can have. So long we look forward. Thanks, you guys. We look forward to the city giving you know you passing information from the city back to

1:00:08
us, absolutely, and that’s really my role here. Actually, I put my hand up to volunteer to serve on this board, knowing the schedule originally back in February, but I wanted to be a liaison on this board, partly because understanding the senior community here is actually my biggest blind spot, and I wanted to make sure that when I’m making decisions generally for city policy and also helping to serve this population specifically, that I am more versed on the issues, the concerns and types of solutions you’re working on. So I am here, not by assignment, but by choice.

1:00:42
And everybody, Ryan’s here to represent the Senior Center and the management. Ronnie couldn’t be here. He had prior engagement. Christina couldn’t be here, and John, apparently is traveling or something.

1:00:58
Okay, so everyone seems to know that, and they’re jealous. He’s

1:01:05
from Hawaii. Yes, he is, that makes sense, yeah, yep, his family, his family over there, which is just cracks me up. Oh yeah, I’m just going to visit family in Hawaii. Yeah.

1:01:19
Okay, let’s go ahead. I had the agenda up. Thank you.

1:01:29
Food security updates. There’s really not a lot to update because John didn’t give a report. But remember everybody that the

1:01:38
table is going to be at the Senior Center. Remind me the date I want to see, the 14th. Okay, good. It’s Saturday, the 14th. I noticed from all the emails going back and forth that people have already done some training, and they’ve signed up for shifts, so I think we’re pretty much covered. If you are interested, I’m doing my training tomorrow. I’m online tomorrow to do the training. So I’ll be signing up too, and that way it’s going to be with Walmart, Food Rescue. It’s going to be here at the Senior Center. I believe it’s 10 to 12, correct, 1130 10 to 1130 question that came up several times. At 1130 they need to be out of your budgets, right? If somebody’s here until 12, I will just deal with it,

1:02:28
and we’ll be cleaning up anyway and stuff so, but, uh, yeah, it’s looking to be fully staffed and very supportive. So there is in your packet, a flyer. You can print it out. You can send it out to people. You can do whatever you want to publicize this and and, yeah, it looks to be a very

1:02:52
well organized and big night, big day here. So

1:02:55
first of all, thank you for all the work that went into the food security discussion Council. John presented to council two weeks ago. I believe 20th. Thank you. On the 20th, that was the last meeting before last night. Just last night, I do have an update. I made a motion last night to advance the conversation with council following the presentation to have an intentional discussion about adding food security to our priority list. So I just wanted to let you know that was unanimously supported by council six to zero. We had one member absent, and that will be happening at a later date. I don’t know when exactly, but the information you all provided, and John’s delivery of that were excellent, and I think it really made people think you all said the advantage. I don’t know if you launched the meeting, but there was a pretty large crowd that night for other issues of getting a much broader audience on that topic, just by a shoe

1:03:52
Well, plus the young the boy that presented after

1:03:55
Yes, yes, yes. He made a big difference. It was a young guy who was a student at NIWA, yeah. And he talked about how his he’s had food security in his life, and how much help and how helpful it’s been to him. So yeah, and a very effective presentation. And Meals on Wheels also did a presentation, a short one, so it was really good about the whole topic of food security. Thank you, man, for doing

1:04:20
this. Thank you guys. You guys did the hard work. We’re

1:04:23
really excited to hear that they took it as priority. That’s we were hoping. We’re having

1:04:27
a discussion about adding it to the priority. You guys know how process works, but like, yeah, officially confirmed it as a priority yet, but we’re moving forward.

1:04:37
Okay? A board communication. Ronnie and I were having a discussion about, about the having to meet, the Open Meeting Law, the Open Meeting Rule, and boy, can it get confusing. So here’s what we’re saying. When Ronnie sends out anything for the board, he blinds. He sees everybody on it. Okay, so that if you send a reply, you just send it back to Ronnie. You don’t have to send it. It doesn’t go to everybody. It just goes back to him. And that’s the way it needs to be. If you get anything with everybody’s names on it, and it is about board information, you cannot, you cannot reply all. You can only reply to the person who sent it. First of all, it keeps everything a little tighter. But with the Open Meeting Law, the way it is, we cannot be having these, you know, things going out by anybody but Ronnie and as long as it’s about board information, if say, I want to have something sent to the board, I have to have it sent through Ronnie. I can’t just send out anything, you know, like I sent out something about my birthday the other day, and I knew that was okay. But if it’s got anything to do with board business. It’s got to go through running he has to be the one to send it out. And you cannot have any type of email chains that require more than one person. When we were doing something on the outreach, I had to send a separate email to everybody, just so that it wasn’t a chain that was going out. That’s also the case with any type of literature, flyers, anything like that. It always has to go through Ronnie, and Ronnie’s fine with it, you know. And he when we talked about the fact that for our outreach committee meetings, we’re probably going to have to post them because they’re going to have more than one board member on it. Everything goes through Ronnie. Ronnie and and, oh my god, I just based on your name, Bianca. I’m so sorry. Ronnie and Bianca handle all those technical things. They make sure that the notices are posted, they make sure the proper people are notified, and they make sure that we have somebody to record it. So that’s all done through around. So if there’s any question about board communication, please let us know, because with the Open Meeting Law can get pretty dicey. So, so I just have a question about outreach. If the majority of the board is concerned about outreach, it has some information or wants to know what’s going on, can

1:07:34
it be a part of this meeting? Yes, because in that way, this is boosted, right? And we wouldn’t have to do anything extra. We’re all here anyway. Exactly. So do we want to, I don’t know, half an hour maybe. Do you want to do something like that, or talk about it? Or

1:07:48
am I off base? You mean, if there’s time at the end of this, or just have it as a in here each time, that would be fine. However, there are other items that we’ve set up for people to come in and speak at our meetings. I don’t know that there’s time to do it. If there is, I would say yes, a perfect time to do it, because everybody’s already here, and this is already official. So let’s look at that. Let’s look at whether there’s time at every meeting that we can take to do and there’s information to actually report that we can do it about outreach, because it is one of our newest projects, and it is getting to the point where we’re going through the steps of getting it straightened out, and now we’re going to be putting things into action. So let’s look at that. Okay? Lonnie, I

1:08:39
agree with everything you say. I understand everything you say. I just don’t like it, and it’s not you. When I was chair, I understand how difficult it is to communicate with people on the board, and I guess I’m directing this at you if there’s a possibility in the future that we could change the ordinance in a way that’s not so tight. Now I understand it came out of a situation where there was a lot of communication within the board. It caused a problem, and I don’t know what that was, but that’s how it all stopped. I think this is really overkill, and I would really encourage the council to try to maybe look at that ordinance to see if that can be changed. One thing that I found particularly offensive was if I wanted to communicate with the board, I had to do it through Ronnie, and Ronnie expected me to do it, and of course, he was trying to protect the proper way of doing it. But I felt, why can’t I communicate with the board directly? Why can’t I get input directly? Why do I have to go through someone else that could modify? He didn’t, but he could modify what I was trying to get across the board. So it’s not a good system. I understand how it came about, but I would really encourage the council to maybe take a look at that at some point.

1:09:59
Okay, let me just say, and I’m going to ask you for input on this too. Is it a national rule? It’s a national law.

1:10:09
So, yeah, really, state ordinance. So the open records act is a state law. Okay? So Council is subject to the same, frankly, like, relatively frustrating restrictions as well. And then the goal and spirit, which I think we all understand, is transparency, the impact and consequence is somewhat reduced or inhibited discussion or communication. And that’s, that’s a real consequence. So, you know, at the state level, that would be a balancing act on there I will, I will go ahead, since I’m not entirely familiar if everything from the state law applies to every advisory board in the same way as it does to a decision making policy body like Council, I will talk with the next council has like a monthly

1:10:55
advisory board kind of discussion where we kind of recap everything we’ve learned from different advisory boards and make sure that everyone’s aware of things that are going on. Are going on. I’ll bring that up as a question just to clarify. I might check with our attorneys in advance of that. I Dave, I fully understand how annoying that is, because, oh, thank you. Yeah, it’s it. Just it feels like we can’t have as

1:11:17
discussion until it’s in this moment. And I remember even last, what was it last meeting where you guys were discussing, hey, can we go to the Friends of the senior center meeting? And yes, if it’s one person, but not like just, it just reduces the community engagement process too. If you’re trying to have multiple people and multiple

1:11:35
perspectives present, right? And that’s where it’s going to come up, because with outreach, we’re going to be looking at getting involved with the friends and other things too well. So the

1:11:43
safest way to do that is to invite them here, where we already have this recorded and already have postings of the meetings agendas. That would be the easiest way of to invite them into this space. But I also understand the value of going to where people are, and especially when you’re trying to do effective

1:11:59
engagement as someone was a former town clerk. I understand state statutes pretty well, but yes, so to your point, yet you guys are an extension of Council, so whatever rules They’re bound by, you’re bound by the same rules because you’re an extension

1:12:13
of them. We’re not quasi judicial, right? Yeah, that doesn’t make it make a difference. Their rules are even a little bit more different, because they actually are making decisions. You’re advised, but you’re still an extension of them, because they’re authorizing you all as a board to be the group

1:12:33
the quasi judicial is you should be fortunate that you’re not. Yeah, essentially, planning is a mess, so I’ve done Planning and Zoning Commission before I was on council. And the quasi judicial situations, they’re really, like, they don’t want you. Like, it’s no, no communication with anyone who might have a vested interest in that decision. Don’t be seem like driving by the site beyond your normal commute. Like, those are the guys. Like, other ones. Like, I mean, you can pass by it if it’s your normal thing. But like, they don’t want you to be like, scoping the site in advance. They want all these presented in one meeting, where it’s a public hearing, and everyone feels like they have a fair process towards the applicant, developer and any residents or other members of the community who want to speak. So be grateful that you’re not a quasi judicial board are dealing with quasi judicial issues, because that opens up a whole different dimension of this. But certainly that doesn’t mean there aren’t frustrations that come from this.

1:13:28
And I think the biggest point is that you’re not trying to avoid quorum, as you’re still meeting about having a quorum. That usually the biggest thing about it is you’re not trying to have just a few who need to make a decision. But it’s not really a meeting because you don’t have a quorum. That’s typically where all that comes from. Okay? I know that I will discuss and see if there’s any flexibility. Okay, I know that Christine, it

1:13:53
would Christina mentioned that she had a discussion. I don’t know, aspect you know, regarding to what, but about part of that discussion with the with the attorney was open meeting law, so I know she dipped her toe into it for some reason, but I don’t know how much she got into so Okay, outreach update, I am going to do something quick. We met with

1:14:17
Guillermo, and we’re extremely impressed. Guillermo had so many good ideas. He was so engaged in what we were doing. He was just really happy to hear we were going to do it. And one thing that’s going to help out is the information that we collect for our outreach is going to be used in other areas of the city. So it’s going to help. It’s going to give them data that will be solid and they can use for other things. So one thing he did recommend, and you’ll be seeing it, so that’s why I’m mentioning it. He wants us to put up a big map of the city in the senior center lobby and have people put pins where they live. He’s going to ask. We’re going to ask three questions, where do you live? Where do you know other seniors live who may not have access or may not use the Senior Center? No Where do you know your friends, other friends, senior friends, live, and do they have access, or do they use the Senior Center? Those three questions are going to start out this whole data gathering. And the nice thing is, is that once they have that data, we don’t particularly know 55 and older. What you know if the data includes 55 and older? So this will, this will include 55 and beyond, and it just help us out to see, you know, where we need to emphasize outreach and where we need to target things. So we will be doing that. And then once we do that, we’ll start to look into going into neighborhoods. As I said, if they don’t come to us, we’ll go to them and letting people know about what’s involved in the senior center. They already have a flyer made up that we can use, but that will be down the road, and we’re looking like 2026 this is going to be a slow process, because one of the things that came up was, what if we all of a sudden, got a huge response to our outreach. Can the senior center handle it right? What if all of a sudden they opened up one morning and there were 20 people signed, you know, wanting to sign up, or 50 people wanting to sign up. So what we have to do is, as we’re moving forward getting information out, we have to do it slowly and see the impact of each thing we do. So if it does get up to the point where we’re kind of stretching, you know, we’re getting filled up, then we have to kind of pause and wait and see about getting more staff, see about, you know, hitting Council, going to council, and putting in more money for the budget, things like that. It’s going to be a very slow and intentional process, but every time we meet with the city person or meet with the representative, they help us look at different areas we hadn’t thought of. So we’re going to be quite educated in this by the time we finished. But as we’re doing it now, we’re really listening to the recommendations of people, because they know how to the city goes more than you know how the city works that we don’t know. So we’re learning anything, any questions, anything like that. It’s it’s more thorough in the in the

1:17:38
in the report I put up so you can learn more about

1:17:43
outreach. AAC representation, does Eric, what do you think? Have you been looking into it at all? I’ve looked into it. I mean, I can probably do it.

1:17:57
I just need to check what the dates are, what Fridays are, because I’ve got another commitment on Friday afternoon, at least through August.

1:18:06
Okay, so I can tell you that it does. It will meet in June, which is this week, it will not meet in July, and then it will meet again and start up again in August. It’s always the first Friday of the month, unless it’s a holiday.

1:18:21
Things from nine to 12. Where do you meet in May, in June, in June, we’re meeting at lions library. Lions library,

1:18:30
okay, so I have to come here. You can do it by zoom, because they always have available by zoom as well. Yeah,

1:18:38
yep. And as I told you, people usually meet here and take a via bus, right? Are you still doing that? Yeah, via does provide a bus. So if you’re in Longmont anywhere, ride, just come here and they’ll pick you up. They’ll pick up everybody here and bring them to lions. Or in July, where is that going to be? There is no meeting in July, or how about August of that one, I don’t know. Okay, yeah, I don’t know where it is. So is

1:19:06
it this Friday? Yes, yes. Can’t do this Friday. It is by zoom, too. Oh, I will be there. Okay, after

1:19:14
that, yes, okay, okay, all right. The advantage to being there, which I think you probably agree, and you have the opportunity to visit with other people from other parts Zoom is just zoom, right? Yeah. And as I was finding difficult when I did have to go with the Zoom meeting, I could hear the questions being started. The discussion was started from the table, but I couldn’t hear the responses from the crowd, type of things, so it just made it easier to be there. It’s not the best, but having the transportation is helpful. Okay, well, so So you feel like you can commit to it. Excellent. Welcome. I’m so glad you’re going to be doing that. Yeah, and you’re going to find out that boy, AAC, they move things right along. I mean, there’s so much information in that three hour meeting. I come out. I used to come out, but it might be like, Whoa. I need to kind of decompress on this one because they’re constantly doing things. They’re up on all the legislation that goes on in the state, and you just keep getting information all the time from them, so

1:20:26
you look like you have a question. Oh, I will ask you something, sir, going back to the Friends Meeting. Okay, what was the decision on that? Could we we haven’t made it yet. We haven’t gotten that

1:20:41
far. So two or three or four of us could attend the Friends Meeting. You know what? I’m gonna I’m gonna say I’m wrong on that. We did go into a discussion, because what Ronnie was bringing up, which was very helpful to know, if we just went and didn’t participate. We just went as you know, as like, you know, the peanut gallery.

1:21:08
We could do that nobody, you know, if you’re just representing yourself, if you’re just there as another member. I mean, not as a member of this board, makes sense, and not getting into discussion about anything, or representing any opinions to the Friends Committee about what we talk about, if you just go and sit there, then you everybody can go, this whole meeting could go, that’s

1:21:31
the most important distinction in exactly talking about yes, ditto. If you’re talking about scab related business or a city issue that Scout would be discussing, that’s, and you have three or more people, that’s the problem. But if you’re, like, my birthday party, and you’re and you’re all coming here, like, that’s, that’s fine, as long as we’re not talking about, like, we don’t have a like, we don’t peel off and start talking about food security or, like, different priority for the board, right? So it’s about, are you like, if you run into someone at a bar, like, and one of it, and then Lonnie shows up, too, we don’t have to, like, suddenly disperse, right? So it’s about, are you discussing the business in that moment?

1:22:15
If so that becomes a problem, if you would risk getting into that pretty easily, then you want to be careful about

1:22:20
that, and especially taking it to if decisions are being made. You know, that’s why they don’t want it to be they want it to be more transparent. They want to know when this these decisions were discussed and made, and sometimes they had been made at, you know, non official ways, or non official meeting, and people didn’t like was held the other day with the friends when Arlene went and John and Ronnie, David, how did

1:22:50
that their monthly Friends Meeting? No, there was a retreat. Was the retreat? Oh, I don’t know about that. Okay,

1:22:58
um, what? So was that okay? Because I went and discussed business. I mean, I’m just Well, trying to sort this out,

1:23:07
you were there. We didn’t discuss senior we didn’t discuss scab business, as pointed out, we were there as part of an extension, essentially to the Friends of Longmont. They were asking for individuals. There was essentially a workshop. So we had a board. Were kind of ranking priorities for the friends of Longmont in terms of investments and things like that. So it wasn’t like any of us were getting up there saying, well, the Senior Center Advisory Board, we should promote this. It was an individual. John pilland, a Brenna, Arlene, etc. What are out of these particular options? What are, what do we believe as an individual, makes sense to put a priority

1:23:53
on? So you were doing strategic planning? Yes, Okay, gotcha, good. Gotcha, which really was so it really was already done. We just voted on the diving. It was sorted, but we just voted it

1:24:06
was already done. So friends board does not have a public invited to be heard.

1:24:13
I do not how does friends board go? I think

1:24:18
they do. They

1:24:20
each meeting they have

1:24:23
on the agenda, don’t they have

1:24:26
a an item for public to be heard. There are 501, c3, so there are, I would imagine they have to use it if the public is there, yeah, if they’re sitting with the agenda and they’re starting the meeting and they know there’s public there anytime anybody to speak, and that’s where

1:24:44
it fits in. Anytime have different rules. They don’t have they’re not bound by the same rules you are.

1:24:51
They government, yeah, so it’s, it’s not

1:24:54
like they have to post their meetings or like in public or quorum. Word literally like it, let the public know. But public is allowed in those meetings and to attend and to speak,

1:25:08
that’s their choice as an organization. Yeah, correct, yeah. They don’t have to let the public speak. I mean, they do, but they don’t. They’re not required

1:25:14
to, gotcha. And I know that when we started talking about, when I started talking about when I’m going to be going to the friends meeting and talking about outreach and actually bringing the idea to them. And I said, I’m going to have to ask either Dave or John not to go, because that would make three members. And somebody said, Well, to make that a meeting where you could all go, they would not only have to post it, but they have to record it. And they’re not used to having their meetings record. They don’t record their meetings. So that could be a sticky point right there where they may say, you know, we don’t, we don’t like the idea of having our meeting recorded. So, yeah, so we’ll have to, when we come to that we’ll cross that bridge. Okay, anything else on these subjects? Okay, let’s move along to the manager’s report. I do have it here. Did everybody get a chance to read it?

1:26:17
Does anybody have any questions at all. Ronnie asked me to make sure that everybody had an opportunity to read it, and if there were any questions, to pass them on to him and let him know, you know what people were wondering about. So the go book is coming out. It’s going to be September on December. So it’ll probably be here, what July or August 1,

1:26:41
usually the first week of August, okay?

1:26:46
And the Northern Arapaho friends visit is continuing, working on that. That’s going to be July 9 through the 13th, and that’s at the Wind River Reservation, the Northern Arapaho exchange.

1:27:09
See, we had a great meeting with staff, friends, board and advisory board representative to discuss, oh, that’s the strategic strategic planning. Okay,

1:27:19
there were, there were three, just there were three things that got focused on. It kind of ranked. So the expansion to the senior center was seemed to get the most votes, but it’s also the most expensive, right? So it’s, it’s kind of in a class by itself, right? Because it’s roughly $3 million right, which is beyond really anybody’s current funding. The second one was the technology upgrade, which was, what’s that staff number two, okay, so expanding staff, but it says bilingual support and some other initiatives that would be helpful if we had some staffing increases to brand, I think that was part of Randy’s. I’ve got that under Randy’s organization, resource specialists, things like that. And then the third one was the technology upgrade, which was interesting, because originally it was identified at roughly $100,000 I think. But actually, Dave, did you bring this up? Somebody? A couple people brought up that, well, we could probably get most of that donated, right? So, HP, you know, we’ve got a number of technology companies in this, in the Front Range, in this general area. So there was some discussion with friends about maybe approaching HP, Seagate, micron, whatever, and seeing if we could get Ronnie. Ronnie’s fully aware of this. When I talked to Ronnie, said already on it, so he has some plans to approach some organizations. Excellent.

1:28:55
Okay, he also met with Councilwoman Yarborough and Senator Wallace to discuss challenges for the seniors are facing in our community. He was able to share impact our increasing senior population is having on our staff through the services we provide and the impact of anticipating with the Boulder County projections over the next 25 years. So what did they say? By 1930 1930 2030, it’s going to be like Boulder County seniors is going to be 30% of the population in Boulder,

1:29:32
right? Arlene, we just, I thought that was that, that we’re there. Now I think over 55 we’re there.

1:29:39
Oh, okay, we’re pretty close to that, are we really? Yeah, including the 50 dropping it to 55 I get you. Okay, the maintenance, the scheduled maintenance will take place July 21 to the August 4. That’s when the senior center will be closed. Years the SCTC 25 years of celebration, they had 90 participants, approximately in attendance. The budget requests have been submitted for review and approval,

1:30:13
and we have two new vehicles for trips on site and help and ready help support our wait list. So the new vehicles are from, again, the friends of the senior center, and they are the things that we’ve been discussing now for about a year and a half. So I guess they’re on site. Are they actually on site? Yes, they’re here. Excellent. Okay. Does anybody else have any other questions?

1:30:40
Hang on one sec,

1:30:48
using my agenda.

1:30:51
Okay? Board updates. Does anybody have anything they want to bring up or update us on, whether it’s a particular project you’re working on as a subcommittee, or there’s any ideas you have that you want to discuss, this is the time to do it.

1:31:11
I’ll do the employment one. It’s not technically on there, but Dave and I had a meeting with Sheila Hart from the from the National Organization of the scscp, and one of the things we learned was that they impact a really, really small segment. It’s basically seniors that are 125% of the poverty line. So I put, you know, I put a little math in there and said, you know, if it poverty lines, 15,000 for an individual, then 125% with the 18,000 annual income. There are seniors certainly that fall within that. But it’s, it’s a it’s a pretty small subset versus other seniors that could use help and need or want employment. So the other, the other challenge with, with s, was it Sep, I think, is that they can only accommodate a small because of resources. They can only do, I think they can only do, like 4040, or 50 in the whole area. Yeah, the whole area. It’s like in our area that she represents, they can only sponsor and get hooked up with host organizations about 40 to 50 people a year. So it’s not a lot. It’s important. We’re going to still continue to focus on but it’s just not a lot. So what we’ve agreed Dave and I so we need to put more efforts into boulder workforce, because they touch a much broader part of our community. So David had a discussion in the past. He’s kind of passed it over to me now, so I’m going to get a hold of Tina and Lily and

1:32:54
talk to them. I think bolder workforce is there to help us, and they want to put together a program that might be significant for older people, for seniors, that could be substantial, I mean, not more than three or four, and I could get out of out of the Southern program. But you know, they have a problem with funding, and you know, none of us know where that’s going to go right now, but I think the main thing, I would say, the main point, is that they are receptive to developing something over time. And I think that’s a key thing. Yeah,

1:33:33
the so Ronnie and I had a brief Dave. Dave was coming on that too. Oh, shoot, that right. Brooke, then, anyway, I understand your frustration. Trust that we are we’re going to sit down with the

1:33:55
resource specialist. So I wanted to, I wanted to shadow one, but that’s from a privacy perspective. I can’t do that, but we can set up a meeting with a resource specialist just to I really want to understand more about what they do, but also to see if what we can do in terms of referrals. So if we could get the resource specialist give them some information, so somebody comes in once, or even the resource specialist says, I need it. I need to work, understand what they do today, to field that request, and then see what we can do to help them to get information into that person’s hands, to say, here’s here are organizations that you can contact and reach out to for employment that could be a real kind of low hanging fruit, right, to allow us to, at least to get people channeled into because, because, as I say, in here, we’ve we’ve got

1:34:47
Habitat for Humanity, goodwill, el community, there was another one here somewhere. We’ve got older workforce themselves. We’ve got hosting organizations for the for that. One group, and then boulder workforce, obviously, is much larger than that, and covers a broader swath of the community. So if we can get resources into the senior center to channel people to those organizations, that could be a really good way to get started absolutely

1:35:14
you’re bringing up, I mean, you’re starting something we never even touched on before. So I think that’s so important. It is a great additional resource, you know that you guys are providing. It’s excellent.

1:35:28
I think it’s really important that this is the beginning stage, and I think we can build this into something, but it’s going to take some time. Sure. You know, it’s not going to be this year, but maybe even next year, right? If we kind of focus on it, because it’s a real need, right? Almost everybody agrees

1:35:44
on that, and we make it part of our strategic planning, that even if we’re, you know, as we say, off the board, it stays as part of the strategic plan, so that it, you know, it can continue even after, you know, the people who have started it are no longer involved. So can I go

1:36:03
back to the friends group for a second sure you guys covered a lot of it. So I just want to emphasize a couple of things. They started the discussion with kind of a blue sky kind of thing. And everybody just kind of threw ideas out, and then from there, it evolved into kind of what’s possible, or what are some practical kinds of things that we might do. But you know, the question always comes to money and what this strategic planning was really mostly about? Guys, correct me if you saw it differently, but it was mostly about raising money. They got 3 million bucks right now, what sounds like a lot, and we just spend $200,000 on the two vans, which is a good expenditure. On the other hand, if we don’t do anything, you know that that 3 million is just going to go downhill in a hurry, because the annual amount of contribution just isn’t that much. You know, last year they had a couple big contributions, like at least $100,000 contribution. Last year, they don’t usually get that. So I think that’s what was really driving this strategic planning meeting a couple of weeks ago. Where do we get the meeting or get the money? And I think they came up with some, some good ideas, but it’s not over. You know, they’re going to be they’ll be studying this some more. The ranking, I don’t think you think you guys mentioned this, but the ranking of the areas that they want to give support to, they put some worksheets up on the wall, and we all put our little red buttons up on the little red stickers up on there, and the one that was the most important got the most votes was for staff, resource specialists in particular. And that’s always the case. You know, we, we advocated for that before, but it’s still a big problem. So that was the number one concern. Was it close? Actually it was. There’s 23 votes. Then the next one was 18 votes for building expansion, whatever, whatever that might be. But classroom expansion was, it was a key one. And then the last one is technology replacement, of upgrades, audio, visual projection, projectors and that sort of thing. So those were kind of the priorities as that group thought. And I think that’s about where it is, and they’ll go from there. But I thought it was really worthwhile. Excellent. Thanks for that report. Thanks for that report. Okay, I know that when I’ve spoken to people since I’ve been on the board, they were some of the feedback I got about the friends group from the people who were involved in the friends group was that they really wanted to have a consistent fundraising plan in action, like where they’re consistently getting funds in and then they’re knowing what they can spend and give out. This is a good source of funding. I think a lot of people chuck the former chair told me when he started coming to our meetings, remember, he said they had, he had no idea, and the friends group really has no idea of all the kinds of things that we do and that we’re involved in. So again, I keep, I’m a stuck record, but we need to keep communicating back and forth. Yes, so we got some of the money,

1:39:41
you know? Yeah, maybe vice versa. Maybe we’ll invite them to our meeting, you know, I think that that’s a good idea. How about in August? I’m just looking so I’m just kind of spitballing this one. In August we discussed 2026, board vacancy. Space. So that’s when we find out who’s going to be going off it, how many spaces are going to be available, who we want to start looking at as far as encouraging people we know to apply and things like that. That’s not a long discussion. You know? That doesn’t take a great deal of time. I, my gut instinct says that’s a meeting that there could be a good amount of time available, a nice amount of time available to have the friends in, to have them here, not just as you know people, to listen to what our meeting is about, but to participate and to get, you know, have dialog back and forth.

1:40:43
That doesn’t strip, in my opinion, but I gotta say, anyway, I don’t think as well meaning as the friends group is, and as hard as they try, they don’t really get the services that are provided by the seniors. They get the programs, but they don’t get the services, and that’s a big hole. That’s something we need to work

1:41:07
on. Do you think maybe you could recommend to Ronnie, or we could recommend to Ronnie that he actually have somebody who could talk about all that, go to a Friends Meeting, put it on the agenda at the Friends Meeting to have somebody, a resource specialist, whatever, go to that meeting and talk about what it is they do. Well, you know what they do?

1:41:30
Like brandy, for example, goes regular like she does. She has to justify to the group the spending for what

1:41:39
do they call that last something,

1:41:42
yeah. Anyway, you know the for for dental work, for rentals and that kind of stuff, she has to spend a lot of time talking about that rather than building the big picture. Okay, what are all of the services? What is the support service? What is the counseling program trying to do?

1:42:03
They don’t get that. I don’t think now I might be underestimating them. I don’t think so. Why don’t we recommend to Ronnie that either he be prepared to speak at a meeting or somebody else be prepared on the agenda? They come in and they talk about all the services that are

1:42:19
available they’ve been told before, that’s not it. This is that you got to be something.

1:42:25
But if they focus on one person giving the presentation suggestion here, not overstepping and

1:42:31
inserting myself on your agenda here, but just a suggestion hearing a couple of priorities, if you were going to invite them to talk about the friends to talk about funding priorities, whether it’s August or whenever.

1:42:47
If you were going to invite a bunch of them here to do that, maybe make it a mutual exchange, where in that same meeting, if you design the agenda with enough space, you also have that discussion about the services at that same time. So you’re hearing from them on the funding discussion and engaging and then offering some of the services conversation. The advantage of that is it’s also recorded, and so anyone who can’t attend can be sent the recording and can reference that recording the future on some of the services that are offered that you want to really make sure to highlight, whether it’s staff highlighting board members and both. So just a potential kind of mutual exchange that will happen.

1:43:26
That was a good idea, because, oh, well, go ahead. And

1:43:29
then I’ll say, I was gonna say, just, just, there’s one thing you got to be careful of, and that is that they’re very jealous of their authority. They’re very jealous of their program. And I guess we all are, you mean, protective of it, yeah, protective of it, you know. And they, I guess that’s that’s enough set on that they also are a little skeptical of the city council, and I think they’ve been burned in the past, and I don’t know exactly what it was, but the city council, they’ve gotten into arrangements, I think, where they expected the city council to provide some sort of dollars for something, I think maybe for staff. Maybe some of you know more about it than I do. So there’s a little, there’s a little, little antagonism there. I think you have to be aware of it can be overcome. I’m just saying it’s

1:44:18
there. Well, we don’t have to worry about that for our meeting, if we’re talking about meeting in August. And I love that idea, because I was thinking that’s what they would be here for, is to talk back and forth with us, but making our conversation about what the services are that we’re actually asking for is the ideal time to do it. So I like that. Let’s recommend that to Ronnie that we actually, we can decide

1:44:42
just to do

1:44:44
it right, as the board will make that part of the agenda for August. We’ll find out, you know, we’ll put it out to the it’ll give us time to put it out for the they can announce it at their July meeting, friends July meeting, and just invite every. Ready to come. And we’ll be prepared. If there’s a good group of people will be prepared to, you know, have somebody get up and talk about our side of it, and then they can get up and talk about their side of it, like that idea, a lot

1:45:15
anything else going on, anything else anybody wants to talk about? Two comments, I didn’t see a council liaison update on the agenda. So, oh, I’m sorry, yeah, is this the appropriate place? Yeah, I just didn’t see it on this one. So if this, if this is not the appropriate place, I can

1:45:33
hope go for it super quickly.

1:45:35
Just wanted to offer, first of all, thank you all for the continued conversation. I look forward to joining you guys again in July.

1:45:45
If I just wanted to offer I heard some seen comments in the discussion earlier about city processes or discussion on like transportation issues or planning development issues or sustainability

1:45:57
issues. If I have gone on a crash course over the last four months to learn a lot of this firsthand, mostly by force

1:46:06
and partly by choice. And so if anyone wants to sit down independently of this, I’ll stick around after to give you my card so we can just chat via email and then meet up if you want to, just meet here for coffee or whatever, and just talk about any of those issues or other topics on your mind. Just open offer there. I’m happy to share what I have learned about some of the processes that we have and why they exist, and the pros and cons of them, as well as some of the specific topics. And my background, from a professional expertise standpoint, is in sustainability, working with utilities, land use planning and to some degree, transportation as well. So if you want to just understand what I’ve seen in other cities, too happy to share that. Other than that, I just want to say I’m really glad I could finally make it a person I had the pleasure of meeting Lonnie and Anne and John in different settings already, Eric, Arlene and Dave. Great to meet you all today. And I think it’s the other few members, John, Marta and Maria, who aren’t here today. I’ve had a chance to meet with them separately in other settings too. So great to finally meet the whole whole group here. And please don’t hesitate to reach out.

1:47:17
Yeah, and you could join us on the 14th to help with the food distribution, like you’re not playing if you’re not playing at the farmers market. No,

1:47:27
I just did that last weekend. Okay?

1:47:31
There are times that Matt is booked at the farmers market to play. Oh, yes. Piano, right,

1:47:37
yes, piano and vocal, okay. July 12 will be the next one.

1:47:42
Maybe. Next one. Ryan, do you have anything you want to share, anything to report or anything to clarify what we encourage today, not necessarily? Okay, I just

1:48:00
wanted to give you an opportunity in case you wanted

1:48:04
it. If anybody, if you don’t look future agenda items are set for what we’re going to be talking about at various meetings, so you can kind of prove that and see what’s going on.

1:48:14
So I’m just wondering if we’re giving enough time in July for those three people again this morning. You know, we had the presentation and we went, of course, beyond the time which we have a tendency to do in here. Do you think that we have enough time that everybody can get their two cents in and say what they want for three presentations? Well, you figure that we gave them a half an hour, and they and we gave them another 15, and they even went over that. It was interesting, and we needed to hear it was almost an hour. So it’s almost an hour. I don’t know. We might be squeezing things in to think these three, because one of these, I think, was, I don’t remember which one, but one of them was supposed to be today, and so that’s why they moved it into July. Let’s talk to Ronnie about that and find out if we do maybe take advantage of August, or, you know, we leave it at July. We’ll talk about it and see what’s going on. Okay? Anything else at all?

1:49:23
You kind of are point person regarding housing, yes, okay, okay, I can talk to you offline.

1:49:31
Sure, sure.

1:49:34
Anything else can I have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Second, second. All right. Thank you very much everybody for coming today. Thank you.

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