Historic Preservation Commission Board – December 2024

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Historic Preservation Commission Board – December 2024

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Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, okay, great,

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okay, let’s Go ahead and we’ll call the December 5, 2024, meeting of the historic preservation commission. To order, can we have the role please?

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Commissioner Sibley here, Commissioner Fenster here, Commissioner Tarek here, Chairman lane here, Commissioner Norton here, Commissioner Jacoby, Commissioner Barnard, Council Member, Mayor Peck.

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Thank you,

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wonderful. Okay, first order of business is the approval of the November 7 meeting minutes. Do any commissioners have any corrections? I understand maybe there’s a couple of minor ones,

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online changes in the date fix that I gave to Maria, nothing to really speak about. Okay, any other commissioners have any questions or comments on the minutes, and if not, I’ll

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entertain a motion to approve them as amended with minor corrections.

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Okay, I’ve got a motion from Commissioner Jacoby and a second from Commissioner Fenster for approval of the minutes. All those in favor, any opposed, none. So minutes are approved as amended.

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Okay. Next is report from the chair. I do not have anything specific this evening, so we’ll move on to our communication from HBC staff liaison. Good evening, members of the commission. I have a few items of update. We have not had any administrative certificates of appropriateness since the November meeting, nor have we had any applications for commission level review. Either,

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I would expect that to pick up when things get a little warmer or we get a little closer to the spring. The other item, saving places conference is January, 29 through February 1. I.

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It is in Colorado Springs this year at the Cheyenne Mountain Resort, as in previous years, the city will cover cost of registration for the conference. We were able to secure CLG scholarship funds to cover lodging for three of the commissioners, the first three who got to me when I sent out the request so commissioners, Barnard Sibley and Tariq,

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just touch base with me, and I will tell you what needs to happen. Otherwise, I will be sending out the lodging information. There is a conference rate for the rooms. It’s pretty reasonable,

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and I just ask that you’d let me know by Monday at the latest if you intend to go, so that we can get everyone registered where we’re playing the end of the year. Hey, we have some budget, budget stuff that we need to use. So let’s go ahead and get things, get things taken care of. So that’s so if you’ll get that information, if you intend to go, let me know by by Monday and I will do a block registration for the conference, as it were, folks who

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have our lodging, or have the lodging covered by the CLG scholarship, touch base with me, and I’ll send you the basically, I’ll send everyone the lodging of information, so it is a reimbursement scholarship, so you’ll just need to keep track of everything.

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So that is the big item. The other thing of note is that

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we have a annexation under consideration called bupre farms. And this is the property that we did discuss at the March 2023 meeting

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as part of the Terry Lake sewer project. So there were some historic farm buildings on the site. It was associated with the Nishita family.

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Ultimately, the county, as well as with input from this commission, were able to get that sewer line rerouted so it would not impact those buildings.

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The current proposal does not include preservation of the farm buildings, which naturally,

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but I have advised the city’s project planner that they will need, they will there will need to be coordination with the Commission regarding these buildings and a preservation plan of some sort, particularly since we did go through the effort to, you know, ensure that they weren’t taken out by the sewer project.

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So I can request that the applicant attend an upcoming HPC meeting either the January or February. I will leave that to the commission. As far as January might be a little tough, just because it is right at the beginning of the month.

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But I think it’s worthwhile getting the applicant for that annexation to come speak to the Commission as far as what commissions expectations are, and going back to to the recommendations from the Terry Lake sewer project as well as you know, Boulder County had indicated that the project, the properties, the buildings would would be eligible under the county’s standards for designation as well. So

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So I am working with the with our staff, to see what we can do about that. Because, you know, there’s already been work to preserve the buildings through the capital project. So

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makes sense, I think, and I think this commission, it’s this Commission’s intent to do what we can as well, especially considering their association with a prominent Japanese farming family in this community and the larger focus on recognizing historic assets in the state that are associated with

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underrepresented communities as well.

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So I’ll see what I can do to get the the applicant at a meeting either January or February.

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Related to that, looking at retreat dates,

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the council retreat, my understanding Mayor pet correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve been advised that the council retreat is scheduled for February 21 and 22nd so we’ll just need to avoid that particular weekend. So,

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you know, we typically do those earlier in the year. So just keep that in mind, and I’ll you know if you can put, if you want to send, check your calendars and send me some dates. We typically, for the new commissioners, do these on Saturdays, typically most of the day. And Maria and I will work to see what what spaces might be available as well. Last year, we did hold it at the Callahan house.

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And so we’ll see what we can find, as far as available spaces.

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And that is what I have.

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Thanks just to follow up on that. If we can do the retreat a lot of times, what we have done is, for example.

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People that the saving places conference is early February, late January, we’ve we’ve canceled that first meeting in February and done the retreat at the same time. So maybe the eighth would be appropriate. If that worked,

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that might be ideal. And maybe a back update is the 15th, and

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if everyone wants to kind of check their schedules for those two days and hold, I think that would be maybe the appropriate strategy, if that could work. Okay,

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any other questions for staff from commissioners?

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No,

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okay. All right. Thank you for the updates. You hit all of the topics that I had on my list.

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Okay, next would be the public hearing. We have no sign ups, and I don’t see anyone in the audience who is

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not otherwise here for some business. So I will open and close the public hearing,

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and then we’ll move on to our first order of new business, which is a presentation on the Colorado

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251, 50 year commemoration. You’ll

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want to be pretty close to the mic. Okay? Thank you. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you for having me here today. I grew up in Longmont, so it’s and my parents actually still live here. They i They live in a house that was is part of a national register district that was created the same month that I was born. So I feel like preservation is in my blood. I’m also in the unenviable position of having to present before one of my bosses, Dr Holly Norton, so

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no, no, no, you’re good.

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So I’m Damian, yeah, thanks.

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I’m Damian Bucha with History Colorado. I’m a national and state register historian. There are now three of us on staff at History Colorado. We split up the state. Two of us split up the state. One is the southwestern portion of the state, and I do the north and eastern part of the state. And I’m lucky that Boulder County and Longmont fall within my district

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today. The two. The 251 50 project is commemorating the 150th celebration of Colorado becoming a state in 1876 and the United States becoming a country in

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1776

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so and so the celebration will occur, obviously in 2026

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the there are a host of different things that are occurring, both at the state level and local levels, and there’s different conversations being had between different communities of how to recognize this event. Their history. Colorado is playing a big part of this. I’ll be honest, a lot of this stuff still feels like it’s kind of being developed, and so I don’t have a whole lot to talk about with those things. And given that you’re the Preservation Commission, I feel like the best one to talk about is the one that actually is in development, which is the color heritage for all program, which is aiming to add 150 sites to the national and state registers by the end of 2026 and celebration for the 100 and 50th birthday of the state, but also to kind of think about changing how preservation functions. There is another one that I’ll highlight a little bit that’s of roadside markers and signs. You’ll notice, if you go back east, that there’s those nice signs that are alongside the roads, and Colorado does not have those. They are now working on a development plan to start implementing those and start doing 150 signs around Colorado commemorating the 150th celebration in the year 2026 that’s still an early development, though, but if you’re interested in any sites, there will be community meetings. So I would highlight that, and if you have any ideas in mind, certainly Dr Norton is aware of it, but please come to me. And while I’m I don’t work for that program, I can put you in touch with the right people. So the program that I do work directly for is the

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office of archeology and historic preservation, and the heritage for all program does fall within that. And so, as I mentioned, this is the aim is to add 150 sites to the national and state registers by 2026

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this is largely in part due to a

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study that was done in 2020 that looked at Colorado’s current state and national register sites and found that only 4% of the sites listed actually represent underrepresented communities, including black, indigenous, Latino, Chicano, Asian, American, LGBT.

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T

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and women and individuals in the disability community and so forth. And this was alarming to a lot of people. Honestly, this is pretty typical across the National Register, across the country, but nevertheless, Colorado saw an opportunity in history. Colorado saw an opportunity to maybe change how this is done and how preservation is done, to start reflecting so 150 sites honestly won’t make that big of a dent, but the idea is to change how we perceive preservation and how we can move forward with a different mindset

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around preservation tactics

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the

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part of the 4% is or part of the 96% is really that preservation focused heavily on architecture for a long time. One of my favorite examples in Denver is the Molly Brown house, which is listed for its architecture but does not mention or recognize Molly Brown in any way. So that’s the sort of thing that we’re starting to change, of how do we look at preservation and how we do we record this history? And the National Register is making a little bit easier, in the sense that in the last 10 to 15 years, they’ve started adding some subcategories, including LGBTQ plus, before that, it was never part of the national register.

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So one big part of this, and one big part of the 102 50 project and heritage for all is the importance of community engagement. It’s really important to not just have the state coming in and saying, Hey, this is what we’re doing, because that’s not authentic or correct of doing so really, we want the perspectives of the people and the communities to be telling us what sites are important to them to reflect not only the celebration of the 150 250 but also what should we be adding to the national register that are telling their stories effectively? And a lot of these communities have been overlooked. This photo was one I took about a month ago. It was a very snowy night, but the bright and Buddhist Japanese community came out for it, and I was very grateful. I was expecting one or two, and all of these people came out, which was amazing. And when the year started, 2024 we only had two sites on the National Register in Colorado related to the Asian American community. We’ve now, we’re now up to nine, and this was the bright and Buddhist. This is actually inside what used to be the bright Brighton Buddhist temple. It’s now a brewery, and they were, we’re adding that to the state register, recognizing this important community in Brighton. I’ll talk a little bit later about long months Buddhist community too.

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Another part of this is increasing access. So one of the things that I’m doing here, and letting you all know about and you can share with the community, is that we are starting to try and make it easier for the community to get engaged. If you’ve ever looked at a national or state forum, they were very difficult to actually put together, and you really needed to hire consultants to do that. The National Register. Unfortunately, we don’t have a lot of say in that, because NPS dictates that. But the State Forum, we’ve actually worked with the state board members to really develop a new form that makes it easier for anybody to fill out, and I say anybody, that maybe is a little disingenuous, because it’s still a long form, but nevertheless, it really walks you through all of the steps and asks you all the relevant questions for filling it out. And with that, we’re working with students and community members and volunteers to really kind of develop these stories for the communities. And we’re also using multi property documentation forms and surveys to identify other sites. And so there’s been a lot of LGBTQ plus work, we’ve received an underrepresented community grant from the National Park Service on LGBT history to do a focus on the Denver Metro area. And while there’s been talk about trying to include boulder in that, there’s question of how far into Boulder County that will go, but we’ve also secured funding from funding from the gill foundation to do a statewide survey. So both of those will be looking at 25 sites and adding at least three to five sites to the National Register related to the LGBT community. We also got an underrepresented community grant related to African American travel sites. A few were, are here in Boulder County. None are in Longmont, unfortunately. But there were also women’s suffrage sites, which some some touch Boulder County and Longmont, as well as a host of other studies that not only have.

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That we’ve done and what we’re doing, but also the communities have done, and we know, long as is very much interested in that and involved

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in that, obviously the outcomes I’ve mentioned all along, which is to create more community engagement, make it easier for communities to develop these registration processes themselves. I should note with the state register, some some community members say, we really want this national but we don’t know how to fill it out. And I say, fill out the state register, and then it’s my job to put it into the National Register Form, because we just move it in. And so there even, even with the new reforms, it doesn’t restrict people from seeking the National Register. It’s still that kind of stepping stone to get people there. So we’re not limiting them and saying no, no, just because of the accessibility you can only do state, we’re really helping them, aid them into getting as far as they want to go.

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So here are some examples that we’ve done last year. I mentioned

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that we’ve, we’ve we’ve, this was the third site that we added around the Asian American community. This is the ferry Center in Denver. It’s a wonderful story about the the little Saigon district and a family that were refugees, multiple families that were refugees during the Vietnam War, who came to Denver and started this center as a place for everybody to come together and and really be part of their community. It’s actually the only center that’s still owned by Vietnamese family in the little Saigon district. Most have been bought by out of state corporations at this point.

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Boggsville is another one that that is a good example of a

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an amendment boxville was already on the National Register and as an important site

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down in southeastern Colorado, but it didn’t recognize that. It was often associated with the men that were on the site, including Kit Carson and others. But it was the women that ran the site, and it was often indigenous, indigenous people. And this was actually part of Mexico at the time, and it was actually the the Mexican women that were their wives who allowed them to settle the land. So this is an important story that was not told in the original nomination, that was amended to tell the fuller story.

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Plaza Ursa is in Grand Junction, and this is a great story about this is a handball court, which you would look at and say, a handball court. Why is that important? But it’s important because of the Basque community that migrated to Colorado, and they actually play with their hands. And I didn’t include any pictures, but their hands are all like swollen, and it’s wild.

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And so these are the type of stories that that’s really recognizing, not only the ethnic history, but also the entertainment recreation that goes along with this community, that that’s really important.

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And then kind of thinking outside the box a little bit, not only has a handball court thinking outside the box, but we want you to also start thinking about different ways. So this is a mural Sears colors. I apologize I do not speak Spanish, so I know I probably butchered that. But this is a very famous mural down in San Luis in the San Luis Valley.

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The interesting thing about this is, this is actually

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the mural itself is on the National Register. Now we used a criterion, G argument for it, which allows us to go beyond the 50 year requirement or go below the 50 year requirement. The building itself is not registered, though, so it’s only the mural, and we work closely with National Park Service to do this. And so this is the sort of thing that we’re starting to develop, and starting to think outside the box of preservation. And NPS is welcoming that. And so there’s a lot of great opportunities there. Now we get to Boulder County.

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Some of these are outside of Longmont, but I wanted to highlight kind of what’s happening in your community. So this one was a national register,

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The Rock Creek Farm. This one was listed and as part of heritage for all because of its association with the indigenous community and the archeology that’s the potential to yield information about the indigenous community on the site. While it was listed for its house and other various purposes, it was recognized for that archeological opportunity,

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the Boulder County Courthouse actually has been listed twice, now,

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actually three times, because it’s part of a district. Then it was amended to include the story of in 1976

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when six

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marriage licenses were issued to same sex couples. And so it was recognized for that, and it’s in.

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Significant importance in LGBTQ history, and then, because of its association with that, that same legal argument that they used at the time, and this was the most marriage licenses ever issued, that that argument was later used by the Supreme Court to legalize same sex marriage across the country, this has now become a national historic landmark

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associated with this.

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This was one that I wrote that I’m very proud of. This is in Boulder. This is the Caillou dojo, or Q dojo. I apologize. This is in just a backyard. Nobody would know it, but if you’re driving into Boulder,

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look for it like there’s just like a plain 1970s house with this in the backyard. The house was bought by

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the bow maker for the Emperor of Japan, who was, he was the 20th bow maker in this lineage, and was starting to get dismayed that archery was turning into a sport rather than a meditative practice associated with Zen Buddhism. So he moved to Boulder and created this institute to keep that tradition alive. He passed about 10 years ago, but it still remains, and it’s still used every Tuesday and Saturday for this purpose.

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Now we enter langma This. This is the tower of compassion. This one is in process. Obviously, you all know this one very well, because you’ve just made this a local landmark, but we’re very excited that this is now moving forward as a national landmark as well

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on the National Register of Historic Places, this one will be before the January meeting. So you all will get notified, and Jennifer will be notified

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about the upcoming meeting. For that, I believe the the form has already been sent to you. Is that correct?

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Yes, I think it should have been. So you will be be commenting on it and provide any feedback to us, but I worked on this one with Carl McWilliams. Is already. I got his permission. He’s on our review board, and said, Yes, you can take my stuff. So we’re both co authors on it, so there shouldn’t be anything out of the blue or anything new that you’ll see. This is really a celebration of Longmont, and this one was close to my heart, because I love this park very much.

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Another one in Longmont that that is going to be heard in January as well, that is a state register nomination. So you have will not be reviewing this one, because it doesn’t fall into a CLG requirement as a state register. But this is the, what was the Burlington schoolhouse, and is now the Longmont Buddhist temple. We reached out to them, and because we were looking at there are eight historic Buddhist temples around the state of Colorado, and Longmont is lucky to have one. And not only is Longmont lucky to have one, it’s it’s one of the few that’s actually still practicing. So we reached out to them, and they were excited to start having the conversation,

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similar to how the tower of compassion, you all did it first, and then we took it. We’re happy to go the other direction and work with you down. So that’s always an opportunity of, if you’re interested in talking to them about local landmark status, we’d be happy to start having those conversations. We brought it up to them. They seemed open to the idea. So we and I know Jennifer and I have been having that conversation as well,

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just a couple others in Boulder that are in process, the historic Second Baptist Church, which is the northern most black church in

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in Colorado. This is the historic line. It became a school for a long time. It’s now condos. So this will be state unfortunately, because of the configuration has changed on the interior, so it doesn’t qualify for the national register, and then temporary building number one on the CU Boulder campus is recognizing the Chicano students movement when they took over the building

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and the associated bombings that occurred after that. But I don’t want to take too much of your time, but I just wanted to provide some reminders of how the national register and the state register work. You know that all of these very well, but it’s always good for to remind myself sometimes of of that stuff. And if you ever have any questions, or have questions about the heritage for all, or the 152 50 work that we’re doing, or just national and state registered processes in general, I’m happy to work with you. I’m a proud longmonter, so I’m always excited to come up here and help out in preserving my community. So thank you,

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great. Thank you very much, and really appreciate you coming up here and and giving us all this information.

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Do.

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Any commissioners have a question or Yes? Okay,

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hold on,

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Commissioner, fester a couple of questions.

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I don’t know whether this is within your provenance, but

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what is done

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within the state and within this county, about road signs and markers. Yeah. So the the roadside marker, there’s two different programs. There’s there’s recognizing the ones that are already established. And then there are ones that are trying to do new ones for the 152 50 initiative, so that one is being developed. The ones that are already there is a collaboration between History Colorado, C dot, and then the communities that they’re in. It’s kind of complicated. I’m not the right person, but I know a little bit of it. Part of the problem is some of them have deteriorated over time, and then some of them have also have language that we would not use today, that needs to be changed. And so that’s a collaborative effort that’s under under review by History Colorado. And see.as they start to explore those I’m originally from Litchfield County in Connecticut, where we have a long history of road signage and markers, and the way that has been supported for maybe almost 100 years is by sponsorship. And have you all considered finding either individual or institutional sponsorship for the creation of those kinds of signs. I know it’s been discussed. I think part of similar to the adding 150 sites to national register, we’re not stopping at 150 we’re hoping people this creates opportunities for people who have often been ignored by preservation to come forward, similarly the the roadside markers. So they’re adding 150

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but they’re not going to stop at 150 and I think they’re thinking, Okay, how do we continue it because of funding purposes? And I think they’re thinking of sponsorships as a part of that, should we meeting the commission

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be a source for soliciting sponsorship. Should it be a project that the Commission undertakes? Would it be a good in other words, would it be a good premise or base for seeking that kind of sponsorship? Potentially, I’d be happy to have that conversation with Jennifer and start to kind of develop that based on what History Colorado is

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doing in the next couple of years. And I’d be happy once they solidify what that role looks like, and the person that’s going to be reviewing them, put you all into contact and have them come up here and talk to you as well, because I believe they’re going to be hiring someone for that position. This last night I heard, but I’m not entirely sure, yeah, the second point I wanted to make is that if you need assistance in Washington, I’m still connected with my law firm coming down in Burling, and I know that we would be plea, we would be pleased to provide whatever local assistance in Washington you might need, if you would let me know when those

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needs occur. Yes, that I really appreciate that we’ll definitely let you know we’re right in downtown and have good connections. Great. Thank you.

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All right, thank you. Commissioner Jacoby, yes, thank you. I think you mentioned with the Baptist Church that it was up for state designation, but it wouldn’t qualify for local designation because it’s been modified. Is the criteria different for state designation, which we know about the state criteria. So the it’s not up for national register because of the criteria local. We’ve talked to them and i They’re because of the ordinances. The property owner is not interested in the local designation, but they’re interested in state because there are no property restrictions or restrictions to the property owner. And there is also some of the Beyond that, though there, there are some different requirements. Oftentimes, local ordinances require more than one criterion to be filled out. The state and national only require one. And then, in addition to that, where you don’t have any restrictions, so that that’s often appealing, and third is the the age requirement. So national registers 50 years, state registers only 30 years, which has been very helpful, because as we go through this, there are some sites that don’t.

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Meet the 50 year requirement, but that are culturally really significant, and oftentimes those sites can be removed. I can tell you, as a member of the LGBT community, I’ve been to the three gay boys that me and my husband now, husband first went to for our first three dates are all gone. And so this, this stuff changes really quickly, and so being able to capture that history and not have to wait 50 years to do it can sometimes be very helpful.

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Okay, yeah, the reason I was asking we, about a year ago, we preserved a barn from Mary Allen,

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and at the time with the home and with the whole site, we were it was even for consideration for national designation.

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A lot of the site has been changed. Now we’re going to have a, what is it, 711 and a taco bar or something there, but we still have the barn. Mary Allen was a female homesteader at the time of Elizabeth Stanton and others, it’s pretty rare for women to homestead alone on their own, I believe, and maybe that would be worth consideration as a site for Pioneer Women in Colorado. So that’s just a thought. I don’t know if it would qualify or not, but it just throw it out there. I was gonna say I can speak to that a little bit. Actually, I’ve been having discussions with other folks in the city as far as moving forward with having that property landmark so that we can get some of the CLG grants and State Historic fund grants for the historic preservation, for the preservation work that’s needed on that barn. And then I would also be coordinating with Damian to see about getting it on the state register as well, because it is a even though the site has been modified, the barn is still in its original location, and there is some open space around it. It has, I would say, some, as you mentioned, some pretty interesting significance given a female homesteader, which is pretty few, they were pretty few and far between. But that is something on my 2025, Work Program. The other spot immediately came in on my radar was the gas station. Something corners. What is it? Johnson? Johnson’s corners, which was one of the few spots people of color could come in in Longmont. And that’s been moved, and it’s been modified significantly. I don’t know if that’s would qualify, but that’s something maybe we should put on our radar. That was, I will notify that, or say that.

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With the green book project, they only came up with 25 sites, and that one wasn’t on it, but they did a larger survey and found that Colorado had about 260

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ish sites named in the green book. And we were actually shocked that 165

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were still standing, which is actually quite large, and that was one of them. It wasn’t included on the final 25 list because of it being moved and because when they were doing it, it was still under its restoration, but certainly it probably wouldn’t qualify for National Register, but it’s certainly worth having a conversation for the state register, because it is also just a very cool building,

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and I will say that State Historical Fund,

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just to add the State Historical Fund over the years. And I think it’s been a few years, and it was before both of our time was very involved with that building, and I think they still hold a covenant on it. And so I think History Colorado has been interested in making sure that’s preserved. I This is the first I’m hearing of the African American aspect of it, though. So it would be interesting for us to look at. But yeah, there’s the SHF connection. Yeah, no, that’s that’s important. And I don’t know if you’ve all worked with Tom and Laurie Simmons with Front Range associates before, but they’re the ones that did the African American project, so I’d be happy to talk more with them to find out what they were able to find out about the African American history associated with

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that. And this leads into my question a little bit outside of random encounters, like like this one,

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you know, where, how are you learning about all of these sites across the state, right? I mean, because some of them are maybe more obvious, but then there’s probably lots of little nuggets and haystacks that are not as easy to find. So

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is it just a grassroots thing? What like? What are you using? It kind of a mixture. So some of its grassroots, some of it is celebrating the sites that we’ve already done, like we just listed. Well,

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another one that I wrote, that I’m very proud of, is the Denver fire station, number three in Denver, and it got a lot of press coverage, and we’ve been really trying to say this is part of this program. So people reach out to us. Another one is our CLG coordinator, Lindsay flowing, has been really coordinating with the CLGs, and we’ve been having meetings with all the CL.

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Coordinators to find out what sites at the local level, but also what opportunities are there at the local level with community engagement. Jennifer and I know have talked about when we when I’m where we start the gill foundation LGBT work,

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where we’ve been talking about coordinating with

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the Gay Straight Alliance at at at various high schools to help bring an interest of the younger generation in historic preservation. They may not have ideas of sites, but just but their their teachers or their advisors may and even them talking to in the community and seeing kind of and having pride in their community will help kind of that development, and some of it is just reaching out to the various communities. So for the for the Brighton British church, I just reached out to the Brighton Japanese American Association and said, Hey, I’d like to talk to you about different sites. In that meeting, I got about five different sites from from that conversation, including the one that we were sitting in that I already knew about, but I didn’t know about the four others. So it’s really about kind of that grassroots and also

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us getting out in the community and finding out what’s important to them. Because we may say, Oh, this one’s really important. And we find out that it’s not that like, Oh, we don’t go there. We go to this place. And some have been even just

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like a burger shop along the main street that the Chicano community stops at when they’re doing their little rider

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events. And they stop at this burger chain place. And even though for most of us, we’d be like, Are we really gonna do that burger stop? But, but when you learn the deeper history, you’re like, Oh, this is actually significant. And this has been going on for over 50 years, this is worth capturing. So I don’t know if that fully answered your question. No, absolutely. Thank you. Appreciate that. And certainly, if you have any ideas too, we’re always open, and we do have a website that people can submit ideas. And so

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if you just Google color heritage for all, you can see that submission site. Perfect. Great. Thank you very much. Any other questions?

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Well, we very much appreciate you coming up here and kind of giving this presentation and just being part of that outreach and excitement for the

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celebration to come. Yeah, thank you.

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Okay,

42:36
next on our list of business items would be the another review of the historic survey plan.

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Always do.

42:59
There we go. Awesome. Thank you, Chairman Lane commission members, and, of course, Mayor, for your time this evening. So appreciate the opportunity to bring this kind of revised Final Draft back to you all to look at one more time as we finalize the little details. And I’m glad worked out with my schedule. I was in town this time, so great to be here. And what I want to do, I know you all have seen this a couple different times, and some of the modifications that were made this time around to just to fine tune a few of the details. So want to kind of skim through some of the content, and I know more of the emphasis is a little bit more on the action plan and some of the strategies and discussion around that, if that works for the commission. So with that, I may scroll. I’ll kind of scroll fast, so no one gets seasick or anything like that. But of course, want to thank our team that was a part of this with Tim Stroh Springboard studios and our team at airs.

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So what we did is we really broke down this strategy plan into kind of the working from the top down, you know, the high level view and perspective, starting here with the Commission engagement that we did a few months back, where you all helped identify sites and locations. We did pull out the maps and did a fun exercise. So appreciate all your insights during that that was a lot of fun and great to see kind of where your interests aligned and some of your focus areas, and how we could make that stitch in with this overall strategy. So those are highlighted kind of at the beginning of the strategy plan, of course, talking about the context of the community and brief history. We could spend a lot of time talking about history, but really want to just hit some of those, those highlight nuggets about development and what some of those those triggers were of development over time, up to where we are today, and then really highlighting where things are today and moving forward those various development pressures, as well as wildfire and flood mitigation hazard areas. So we start with urban development.

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Moment talk a little bit about the development pressures and redevelopment pressures, and it’s very apparent as I drove in the town again today and seen some more of those pressures popping up in some of the neighborhoods we’ve even discussed and highlighted here. So I

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think it really emphasizes kind of the need to do some of the reconnaissance and more detailed survey and historical findings on some of those properties, and then, as we talk about the environmental risks, I don’t think any of us ever hope to see another Marshall fire of 2021

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it’s a blessing that this area has a lot of great open space around us. Unfortunately, as it continues to stay dry and more people recreate and use those areas, there’s more risk, you know, you can’t fix everyone’s habits and personality traits and things that happen and technology and all that fun stuff utilities. So being aware of that, being cognizant of that, and how that can impact our historical assets and our unique historical resources in and around communities, especially if they haven’t been documented before something could happen to them, and then highlighting the flood risk. And of course, the city has done a lot of great efforts, I guess it would be 10 years, 1011, years now, really working to help mitigate flood concerns and hazards. And you see some of those through some of the neighborhoods we talk about, including the cannery east neighborhood that we highlight, you know, with the big drainage soil through the middle.

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But hopefully, a lot of those mitigation measures have helped reduce some of the risk moving forward. Excuse me for you know, the general public, this isn’t anything. I don’t think any of you need to be told. But of course, the importance of historic preservation wanted to just highlight, in kind of a fun way, some of those benefits from a community building aspect, place making aspect, and also the environmental and economic benefits. And this is information that as part of the educational efforts and outreach, you can pull some of this information out be able to utilize that as part of your resources when you’re going out having your conversations, if you’re meeting with the youth at the schools, a lot of times the graphics and call outs and stuff like that are really good to be able to reference. Excuse me,

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the next thing we did is just take a look at the existing surveys and research, and so Jennifer did a great job of providing that information and what was available, because I think around that same time as when a lot of the accessibility requirements came into play, so

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information was pulled from websites, and so we had to do a lot of back and forth to be able to pull some some resources and information based on what were in the files, and then also what was available online. So wanted to just document and capture the information that has been done thus far between surveying. Oh, thank you very much. So like, if I open my water ball, it squeaks a bunch, so I didn’t want to do that.

47:54
So really wanted to just highlight those that in kind of the middle part of the survey here, before we get into the details of the plan, some of those recommendations of the existing neighborhoods, so you can see what’s what’s been done. Just as a refresher, I really like this picture of the building. It’s just a great historical picture before we dive right into the East Side Historic District

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and talking about that neighborhood, what kind of pressures it’s facing and the opportunities with as well, we do capture and highlight that later on in the action matrix. The same with the West Side Historic District. I feel like the west sides, you know, seeing opportunities, and it has some of those pressures. There’s a little bit more protections for some of these neighborhoods than are the ones that we really get into with our focus. And lastly, the downtown Historic District, of course, right here across the street, we have the hotel popping up. So there’s always going to be that opportunity and those pressures that come up, but there’s a lot of great resources that exist today that we want to continue to preserve and be mindful of moving forward so diving into the areas of interest, and we’ll jump down so a handful the neighborhoods, the bonfarm neighborhood here, kind of near the core area of the community.

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And then what we’ve done is we’ve kind of captured, you know, the the time period for that neighborhood, some of those physical characteristics, and we spent a whole day. Tim Sterling, I spent a whole day driving around the entire city. I’ve saw neighborhoods I’ve never seen before in Longmont. So it was really fun. And some of the guidance that you all said, Hey, go this area, go see this neighborhood I probably would never have gone to. So really enjoyed that being able to see some of these unique homes, but also then seeing kind of some of those pressures that they’re facing with additions, modifications, things like that, that really start to take them off character for that neighborhood, and really are starting to make an impact. So a lot of the characteristic elements here, as you can tell, some very architectural elements. So that’s Tim. I’ll lean on Tim for some of the good details that he’s providing.

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His observations, and then started to highlight the recommendations there in terms of whether this should be something that’s looked at from guide, guidelines, code updates, maybe an overlay opportunity, whether it should be surveyed at reconnaissance level, a little bit more detailed historical survey. So we want to capture those different things as we went through this, and highlight some of the the images of some of the homes that we found kind of fun and unique as we went through I don’t think the the report could have been twice or four times as long with all the pictures we took. There are some really great homes and great neighborhoods, and the community is doing a great job. I mean, a lot of private homeowners are doing a great job of embracing that and taking care of their homes, which is really cool to see, too, the Browns old Apple farms. So the neighborhood kind of similar to Bond. Bond neighborhood similar kind of characteristics, a little bit less from this neighborhood perspective, in terms of immediate impacts, immediate pressures that we saw outside of just some of the additions, some of the other modifications that you tend to see throughout the community, as people buy older homes, fix them up, or grow within their homes and just want to stay there so they start to add on and can impact the home and the character of the architecture,

51:19
The cannery East neighborhoods. So this is out east. This is probably one my favorite neighborhoods, and you could tell it was one of our higher priority ones that we listed. And driving in, you could see the town home development. We’re off at third, right there on the corner. While the town homes look great, they’re a great addition to the community for housing, everything like that. You can tell the impacts when you just look at it next to the homes right around it, and just how it feels kind of a hot place, not context with that neighborhood. And we see that that cannery east neighborhood definitely is one that’s probably going to be facing more of those pressures. Now that there’s one project in there’s likely to have more that just kind of start trickling behind it. So

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a really unique neighborhood, from the size of the homes, the eclectic mix within this neighborhood as well, both on the east side of you know, this the drainage soil, and also on the west side. So there’s, there’s a lot of mix there. It’s really unique homes, unique character. You do get lost, if you’ve ever been in there and you try to go down different roads, you end up popping back out the way you came. So

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we found that out, you know, a few different ways, the hard way, but yeah, it’s great neighborhood, and I think it has a lot of potential, and is probably one of the ones that’s facing some of the more immediate pressures for development redevelopment. So captured a few of the characteristics here you can see townhome development under construction when we snap this. And then there’s the existing apartment complex that’s kind of right on the fringes within the neighborhood,

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going up to hilltop village,

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another neighborhood just kind of a good mix, eclectic mix of housing. This is another one that maybe doesn’t have as many as much immediate pressure for development just based on its proximity from the core, also just the era of the homes, and they’re usually a little bit more affordable homes, but don’t have that same pressure that you have again, near the core, along major corridors. So this was one neighborhood that you know, over time, it’ll probably start to see those growth pressures, but not immediates. We didn’t see it as kind of that next 510, year horizon, like some of the others, like canner east,

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I’m gonna say Kitely. I’m hoping I’m saying that right, but if not, I apologize and please correct me. But

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another great neighborhood, both Kitely, started to have some unique home design in here. We actually started to see a little bit of the sophomore neighborhood influence up here, which was kind of interesting. If you look at and it’s very sprached. There’s a home here there that all of a sudden you’ll see one of those gabled ends, or the rough pitch that goes out and kind of flares up, and it’s just unique to see that there’s some of that relationship between neighborhoods on kind of the opposite ends of the community and the course. So a unique community and unique neighborhood that I think over time will probably be one of those next ones in the 1015, year to start seeing some of those pressures as these homes are smaller, usually a little bit more affordable. So you’re going to see people buy them up and then want to kind of grow into their houses as well. So some some guidelines might be great to have in place, and just some general protections to kind of keep that massing and form in place

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the Longmont states, so kind of going way up Northwest, an interesting kind of community where you got the strip that kind of goes up Northwest, and then it’s it’s just kind of a mix, as you go around it. This was another one that no immediate pressure, given that a lot of the homes are kind of in that 70s era,

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and the homes are usually a little bit bigger at that point. I know.

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So we have a 78 home in Greeley, and we’ve done a lot of interior remodeling, not a lot to the outside. Because, one, you don’t want to touch the outside too much on those homes, because then you’ll just open the can of worms. So these homes, usually, again, are bigger, accommodate the growing family a little bit more. And so, you know, this one, probably in the future, might see some pressures as people try to renovate and upgrade some of these homes. And you know that could be they’re just on the street frontage side, or maybe the back side of the home is allowed be a little bit more creative with adjustments, things like that, just to kind of keep that that character. As you drive through the neighborhood,

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the Lou Miller area probably one of the more fun neighborhoods, just to kind of experience as you drive through it, because there are the three distinct areas, you know, the traditional Lou Miller area to the far east from a little bit earlier in the 1900s and then you hit the transitional area here in the middle, closer to The medical facilities. And there was even, I think, one of the medical buildings or one of the office buildings had a little tilt on its access as well, which was kind of interesting to see. And then as you hit the lumiller West area, the homes are, you know, another decade or two newer, but a little bit more eclectic mix in the West versus the traditional lumiller, where you got more of the ranch style homes that really have some good character and good bones. And so as part of the recommendation there, you don’t do in reconnaissance survey. Of course you have the three distinct areas I could see, that traditional, that more Easter side of Lou Miller being one that you start to put some protections in early on. Just so again, you know experience, the pop tops, the additions, which it’ll be interesting to see how everyone does that with the tilted access and, you know, setbacks, trying to meet all those requirements, but a really neat neighborhood and has a lot of potential. And just look driving through some of the streets, some of the homes have some renovations occurring, and so it’s just, are they doing it in a way that kind of still preserves that character and that feel for that neighborhood? I think the last thing you’d want to see is additions that start to change the orientation of the homes, or really modify that, especially on those more ranch style homes,

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what we got there?

57:20
Well, that’s weird,

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huh?

57:25
That’s funny.

57:27
Those pages are there, let me tell you,

57:31
let’s could we close it and reopen it? Is it accessible? Or did I just mess it up?

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Okay, thought maybe it needs to be reopened.

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It could just be this

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file was being weird too.

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Okay,

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don’t quite know what’s going on.

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Oh, there we go. Okay, and we’re back. It just got tired of waiting so long. That was probably the case. So, yeah. So of course, you can see the homes here, the one the north or the North on the top of the screen being a little bit more of that ranch style in the eastern side, and then this home here, and a little bit more of that Western blue Miller was west area, so larger homes, usually two stories, split levels, a mix,

58:29
as we get into old north again, another, another important neighborhood that’s near the core area. Some of the impacts here aren’t being seen as much as they are in some of the other areas, from our from what we were seeing. But this definitely has some significant features and some unique features, and this could be one that starts to feel that pressure over the next few years, but starting with some guidelines, understanding what that looks like, and those potentials for community education, awareness of the historical resources and what’s unique about that neighborhood by diving in a little bit more from a historical standpoint and historical context,

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the original town site, that one’s just kind of a quick one pager, since it’s important, it’s relevant, but wasn’t something we were diving into as part of our survey strategy plan,

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and then hitting the south more neighborhoods. So, you know, we already talked about the tower of compassion early on, but you know, you really see it as you start to go into the neighborhood with the commercial building right here on the north, northern side of Jersey. I believe yes.

59:43
And so this is a neighborhood that has a lot of unique features throughout. I wouldn’t say every home, every every block, has those unique historical elements, but there are homes sprinkled throughout there that have some really cool character, and you miss them if you drive by too fast, but you know, you get.

1:00:00
Kind of the under the window, some of those, those planter architectural features I mentioned earlier, those those roofs that at the ends, they kind of flare up, really unique to seeing, kind of some some neat elements how that then kind of relates back to the commercial buildings and some of the commercial architecture that’s there as well. So this is a neighborhood that we definitely highlight. The need to do a little bit more, deeper survey work into looking at this was, I think, one of the top, probably two, three priority areas that we had flagged when we were going through it, and really identifying because while there’s not a lot of redevelopment pressure happening on that side of the highway. It’ll get there. And, you know, you want to, of course, always be on top of it and ahead of it. But I think with the awareness of the tower of compassion, everyone using the park their neighborhood, starting to be, you know, seen and identified more, you got some new read, new development pockets, and you’re buying around it. So it’s a good time to really get in there and just see what what is there before some of those architectural elements are removed, and then you kind of lose that, those unique, distinct features,

1:01:14
and then jumping into the action matrix, so happy to answer questions, highlight anything that you saw as you’re going through it. I think every time I open this thing, I probably always see something I’m like, I could do that a little different. We could change this a little bit, which is the case with any report as you work through it. So appreciate your time and happy to talk through next steps. Okay, thanks for running through that. Commissioners with questions.

1:01:48
Commissioner Jacoby,

1:01:50
well, yeah, I’m not well as far as let me first say I have a couple of comments about corrections. Okay,

1:02:00
I went, I can go down the list. Page six says the granary is

1:02:06
under construction, but part of it’s the picture you have is planned, but it’s not even started construction there. That’s a small point, but that’s one point that you might just change the wording on page eight,

1:02:24
the old St Stephen’s church is on Main Street, not broth Street. The confusing thing is, there’s two St Stephen’s churches in Longmont. The new one that is functional is on Ross Street, and the one on Main is the old St Stephens. And it says that this was built, you know, before anything else was there. Well, if it was built in 1881 like it says, The town was around for 10 years already, so that line would have to come out of there. Okay, on page 17,

1:02:54
it’s a small point you describe a building as a bank. It’s actually now a residence on the west side there. Yes, that was, that’s actually the oldest house in Longmont, I believe, is built in 1871

1:03:07
was on Main Street as a bank. They picked it up, moved it, plopped it down there, but now it’s a residence. Okay, so it’s a little confusing just reading that, that saying it’s a bank.

1:03:17
Let’s see

1:03:19
other things on page 11. I’m not sure if this is a mistake or not. It describes bone farm as Tatanka site. Is that a Tanaka site? I don’t know, but I just thought that was a where. Let’s see if I can I believe that was the farm that did the survey. It is Tatanka farm, not Tanaka farm. This was the Tatanka was the firm that was the person who did so it’s good. I just wanted to double check on that. Yeah.

1:03:52
On Page 13, you say the historic districts were formed in 1987

1:03:59
but then on page 14, you say the East Side Historic District was made in 1986

1:04:04
so one of the dates is wrong. I don’t know which one, but I saw that.

1:04:11
Let’s see other things

1:04:15
going down to page 38

1:04:20
I read through the whole thing with a fine tooth comb, which you need to it’s it’s a lot of work. I realize I’m not trying to be critical, but I caught a few little notes. So you’re a local expert. So the neighborhood description on page 38 is confusing South Moore Park with Lou Miller. It talks about the streets

1:04:41
that it borders, but it this is for Lou Miller, and it starts talking about Missouri Avenue, Jersey Avenue

1:04:49
and pike Road, that’s, that’s the south more Park. That’s not Lou Miller. So somehow, halfway in that.

1:05:00
First double carried after neighborhood.

1:05:04
So the description of the boundaries is wrong.

1:05:08
And then let’s see.

1:05:12
And that came up again on page 44

1:05:17
in the description of another neighborhood. I forget which one it was, but on page 44 it describes East Third Avenue as being a major arterial and gateway to the core downtown. But this isn’t a core downtown neighborhood. I don’t know what that line is in there. That’s at the second column just before recommendations that last double caret. That’s for some other neighborhood, I think.

1:05:44
And then I had some questions about the action matrix,

1:05:49
just as far as report priority, I think that’s really important for us, as far as prioritizing. And,

1:06:00
you know,

1:06:01
I saw under natural disaster risk, hilltop villages at risk for flooding. I don’t know, with a name like hilltop village, it surprised me, but maybe that’s what it is on the Yeah, that’s what I thought, right? But maybe because there is a canal that runs behind there, it is high flooding risk. That’s fine, but my concern was with Old North neighborhood. I went around and looked at all these neighborhoods, and I consider that a high risk for redevelopment. The reason being, it is near the core downtown,

1:06:33
and there are, I was shocked when I actually went through there how many homes I would call them colony cabins. They’re about 25 feet by 12 feet. They’re very tentative, early buildings that have additions and additions and additions, and some of them are kind of run down. I think those historically might be very significant. I don’t know the history of them, but they might be significant. And yet, because of the buildings themselves, they’re at very high risk of being scraped and replaced. So I would think that neighborhood would be a high priority because of the proximity to downtown and a lot of the older buildings, but that’s just my thought. I don’t know. Yeah, so what I’d like to do and appreciate that, if we can just split it up for the sake of the cleanliness of the discussion, let’s, let’s hold the rest of the conversation on the action matrix off for just a moment. Okay, and anybody who’s got any other comments or questions on the report, let’s go get those out of the way, and then, then we can swing back around and have a discussion about the action matrix, because that’s, I think our feedback on the report is, is like job one, and then the big job is, what’s the action matrix? And I’d like to split those. Okay, well, that’s all I could find, and I went through it really carefully. So thank you, appreciate it. Yeah, it’s always hard. Sometimes you copy and paste some of those bullets. I think that’s where it came from. So okay, right? Let’s see. I’ve got Commissioner Sibley up next.

1:08:08
So I found something you didn’t

1:08:13
mention on page 21 and I’ll give this to you, actually, okay,

1:08:18
part of

1:08:20
your map is hiding. Yep, neighborhoods. Did you see that? I saw that just a little bit ago. Yep. I was like, Wait, where’s the other neighborhood? It’s right there, behind the red box. That was one thing I’m and then actually the other items, I had two questions, but they were on the matrix, so I can wait, but I’m sure you also saw that. There’s a typo in Longmont on the matrix. On the matrix, I didn’t see that.

1:08:43
You’ll see that. So anyways,

1:08:47
so that was it. And I do have a question about the matrix, but I’ll wait till we get to that stuff. Okay, any other report related comments? No, so I’ve got a couple,

1:08:58
but you tagged one of them, so thank you.

1:09:04
On the maps, it occurred to me, so we’ve got the, I think there’s maybe not a consistency with a couple of early ones.

1:09:15
And I’d have to go back and look again. I think we had

1:09:21
the surveyed properties showing up on one of the maps, but not on another,

1:09:29
yeah, a couple of those. So I think you’ve got, in this, in this boundary map of East Side, I think you’ve got all the surveyed properties, or maybe you didn’t do that on the west side. Yeah, right here, something’s, I think your surveyed properties, and this map is missing, right?

1:09:48
And then, with regard to the map, the other thing that occurred to me is that we don’t have unless I missed it, we don’t have the actual landmarks called out on.

1:10:00
Any of these maps, right, our local landmarks, and that seems like an important thing to have included,

1:10:06
you know, with it with a separate

1:10:09
shape star, however you want to do it, but

1:10:13
it’s a lot of information, and maybe you don’t need to do it on the boundary piece, but I think probably, somehow we’ve got it. We should have that right, we should have that context of of what properties are actually landmarked. Yep, that data is that correct? Yeah. So, yeah, I don’t think it’s a complicated Yeah, just a graphic. I think you did, yeah, yeah.

1:10:37
And then, and then we, we kind of mentioned this in last month’s hearing. And so I just want to make sure this actually does happen, you know, especially like that overall map, the the, and some of it might just be the the,

1:10:52
you know, the resolution necessary to make this file size manageable. But if you zoom in on this, you can’t read anything right, and so we’ve got to fix that somehow, whether that, and what we suggested last time was an appendix with better, you know, larger scale maps. You know, we do that with some of the master plans, you know. So this can be a reference, but, yeah, so the higher resolution map is very clear. The reduced for the packets, that’s why it’s it’s pixel lower. Yeah, I have a higher resolution one that would be kind of the final final, but for emailing purposes, this was, yeah. So I mean, when I was driving around look, zooming in on my iPad with this, and zooming in on my phone with another while I was driving around the neighborhood, it’s probably really dangerous, but

1:11:40
it gives you false hope too, because it starts to look clear. You can’t see anything. Where is this dividing? Yeah? So there is a high resolution one that is very clear. But I like your approach of taking that map, blowing it up, so you have that just as a separate exhibit. I think that’s perfect. Plus, we have all the shape file layers that will be part of your digital mapping, so that you’ll have that, so you kind of have these multiple interfaces. So that’s great, yeah, okay, great. And then I had a question about this. You know, obviously there are some, some neighborhoods that are that have been, you know, you’ve picked some neighborhoods for fairly obvious reasons,

1:12:16
but in particular,

1:12:18
you know, the Longmont estates one in particular. Like,

1:12:24
why that one, and why that exact boundary? And why not other? If you’re doing that one, why not others that are in the city? Like, great question. How did you get there? Yes, so Longmont estates was one that was a little bit more of an outlier, and that was one that we received some feedback from the Commission for that neighborhood specifically. And so as we went through it, there were a few resources in there and some important things. That’s why it’s kind of a lower priority, one in terms of the overall structure of all the neighborhoods you could, you know, pop in and look at little enclaves in a lot of different neighborhoods, in terms of the boundaries it follows a lot of the pladding neighborhood, platted boundary setup, some of the other boundaries, they either follow existing boundaries that are established. I think I forget what it is, but there’s a lot of signage that kind of characterizes a neighborhood. And when we drove around, we started to look at, okay, this really is where the transition is from this neighborhood to this neighborhood. So that’s where some of the boundaries came from. But yeah, the hill, the hilltop village, one that’s or the estates one that was one that was a little at the direction of the commission. We went out there, we looked at, we wanted to incorporate it, since it was of interest from the commission itself. Okay?

1:13:44
Also, in our last meeting, we talked about the having the museum and the Historical Society review this at all that was in our minutes. So I don’t know if that happened, and if it didn’t, it would be worth doing before we’re done, I will definitely get this to them, okay, completely overlooked. That’s fine. All right. Okay, perfect. Thank you.

1:14:10
So yeah, I think that. And the only other comment I’ll make, and I don’t know if this is, this is nitpicking, but I was a little confused by the order of the areas, just why you chose to put certain neighborhoods in a particular order. Like, I just started reading some of the older neighborhoods, and then then we have some of the newer neighborhoods, and then, well, there, here’s Old North. And it just seemed like an odd an area of interest. Yeah, it’s just alphabetical. Okay, that for ease of reading and alphabetical, that was the reason it wasn’t that way. Okay, some Yeah, all right. But I guess that makes sense. But as a it just threw me, yeah, we can. We could put a note or something that in the introduction of that, like, these are in alpha, like, no particular order, just alphabetical. That might be worse. Sometimes that’s good, because otherwise, yeah, if someone looks at and they don’t have a clue, they’re gonna be like, so.

1:15:00
This one more important? Is this one less important? Right? So, right, yeah, okay, okay, I’m happy to do that. Okay,

1:15:08
all right,

1:15:10
any other report related,

1:15:13
not matrix related? Yes, okay,

1:15:17
Commissioner Fenster,

1:15:19
what? What is going to be the ultimate purpose of the document. Is this a study document for schools and public officers? Is it also a walk around document where it will be picked up and used when someone walks around

1:15:41
the city.

1:15:43
And if it’s the latter, and I assume to some extent, it is because I’m already using it for that purpose,

1:15:51
is there something more that the document needs to make it utilitarian for people who are walking around with it? Great question. Jennifer,

1:16:04
so I think may have discussed this last at the last meeting. This is basically,

1:16:10
it’s, it’s a policy guiding document for this commission and for staff as we move forward with I did you know with doing future survey plans, we’re trying to priorit or doing future surveys, doing future cultural resource surveys, this is to identify areas that that we as the commission think are important and that need to be prioritized for reconnaissance and cataloging and surveying, to make sure that we have documentation of any resources, and, you know, history of the city. It’s less of a public walking tour document. It could certainly, you know, serve that function. I mean, it will be publicly available, but ultimately, the purpose is to guide future planning and survey efforts.

1:17:01
I uh,

1:17:03
not, not quite for me.

1:17:07
Is there a version, a

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condensed version, or is there an instructional appendix that is intended so that it can be used, or parts of it can be used for walk around purposes. So that wasn’t part of our original scope with this project. It was just to provide a strategy by assessing some neighborhoods, identifying some of those key features, trying to establish some sort of boundaries where we best could, and then guide prioritization of what neighborhoods or neighborhood areas maybe should be surveyed in what order based on level of priority. Is there something else that is available that would serve a walk around purpose, or is there a condensed version of this document that’s intended, that would serve a walk around purpose? No, simply because that’s not the purpose of this document. This is not intended to be, you know, a marketing or a community tool. It’s really a tool to guide our priorities moving forward as a city and as a commission for doing our documentation work and planning work.

1:18:28
It some of the information in there could certainly be used by you know, neighborhood groups to develop their own walking tours and their own documents. But ultimately, the scope of this was not to put together a,

1:18:42
you know, a, basically a publicity or a walking tour document. The scope of this was really for a guiding document for policy and planning purposes, right? And I might add that that in part, this is happening because there isn’t another document out there, like we had to start somewhere, right? We don’t have this information. This is, this is the one of the very first steps we’re taking now, Commissioner Draco wants to write another walking tour of a different neighborhood. He could use this as his foundational document for his next book. But outside of that, this is,

1:19:17
that’s, that’s really what this is about. Is about starting the process of looking outside the three districts that we have and beginning to gather some information so that we can move forward with a broader picture of surveys and then eventually a preservation plan for the whole city that would, I mean, there’s just a lot of stuff To get to that point.

1:19:40
Are we missing something important if we don’t do that, or at least get someone to sponsor, someone or some organization to sponsor a product out of this work that would give us walking tours,

1:19:58
whether we have to go.

1:20:00
Out and get a commercial sponsor, or somebody in the city or something I got doing all this work,

1:20:09
it seems to me that the we have the genesis of

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more hand to eye useful document. Why? Why take a pass on doing it?

1:20:23
I don’t know that anybody’s taking a pass on it’s just that not, it’s not what the Commission’s intent in in

1:20:32
basically putting this scope out and getting this started. Now, if somebody else wants to take this, I mean, what are as a commission? I think what our goal is eventually, to get properties documented, to get up, to get a plan out there for, you know, for public comment, to have this process about preservation. If somebody else wants to take the information, it’s public, and they want to, if, some if, if Commissioner Jacoby is not interested in writing another book. Perhaps there is another Longmont citizen that is and, and this is a perfect start, right? But we can’t there’s the scope. Can’t creep. It wouldn’t be creep. It would be no, no, yeah,

1:21:14
mushroom cloud. I don’t disagree with that, because

1:21:20
this obviously needs to be a much more comprehensive, and how shall I say scientific, scientifically created piece of work. But while we’re doing it, and before we put it down permanently, should we just, on behalf of the public, go out and solicit some walking tour, useful products out of it.

1:21:47
You know? Why? Even if we’re going to go and get a commercial organization to do it, why put it away without having created walking products?

1:22:01
That’s my question. I don’t know that we have a clear answer for you, but

1:22:08
if I may, so, when I served as a staff liaison up in Windsor, as when I was a staff member in Windsor, we had something similar done years prior, before I got there, and it had approximate boundaries. It had some designated or surveyed properties. And what we did is we worked with the state and some of the schools, and we just took it and said, Okay, well, here’s an approximate boundary. Let’s make a digital walking tour or something. And it was like a story as restory map, which is a GIS interface on your phones, and you had the boundary, just had some of the snippets from it like this is what’s important here. Here’s some characteristics to look for at a high level that then led into other efforts. So it’s something that you can always pursue as another step. Like this is one step forward, and then you can take additional steps or and go different directions, such as walking tours, the more detailed surveys or reconnaissance surveys for these different neighborhoods to get more information. So there’s a lot of avenues the commission and staff in the city could take if if you were interested in that, but that would be beyond kind of the confines of this strategy report, perhaps a conversation talking point for the retreat.

1:23:17
Good,

1:23:19
okay,

1:23:21
to see it put away without that having been considered, without doing that having been considered, because there is no substitute at this time. Yes, okay, and I hope you never put this way. I hope otherwise

1:23:37
I failed. The intent, I think, from this commission, is not to have this sit on a shelf and go no further. That’s for sure. Let’s see

1:23:46
Council, rep, Mayor Peck

1:23:51
Oh, sorry,

1:23:55
thank you. Chair,

1:23:58
Commissioner, Finster, I’m happy that you brought that up, but I’m going to go to a different tact on it. I love this survey, and as I was reading through it at the recommendations, my question is, for both the commissioners as well as for planning department, we are going to be doing our Envision Longmont update in 2026

1:24:20
and every year, whenever there’s a development, as you know, Jennifer, the residents come out and say, This doesn’t match anything that’s here. We need to go through our design standards. And I don’t know if the commissioners ever go to planning and

1:24:40
advise, perhaps, that in this certain area when we’re doing design standards, or that we look at the historic preservation part of it and the new building needs to conform, as you’ve said in the survey for height design a.

1:25:00
Um, setbacks, everything that just as recommendations, because when it does come back to council, we don’t have anything to refer to, and now we do. But I would like to use this in updating our codes, because I totally agree with you that we need to have some design in some of our buildings. As you drive around in the new stuff you go, who thought of that

1:25:29
so that that’s just a comment and a question to see if that’s something you want to discuss or decide upon. So thank you very much. Thank you. See Commissioner Jacoby,

1:25:42
yeah, I have two separate things to point out. The first is, just speaking from experience, I don’t think this make a good walking tour.

1:25:53
If you attempted part of my book, which is just one neighborhood, you can see how long it takes walking would be very difficult for all of this. I actually bicycled around these various neighborhoods in preparation for this, and that took quite a while during one of our lovely, warm Indian summer days, but bicycling would even be difficult. What I could envision is maybe making this more inclusive with other neighborhoods. As Mayor Peck pointed out, all the neighborhoods you know, we have this development, that development, put them all in a pamphlet, and maybe, maybe visit Longmont would want to work on this, and then they could just hand out a pamphlet at visit Longmont. These are our neighborhoods in Longmont, but that could be something for them to do, because that’s really more in their line, and it would just be neighbor. It wouldn’t go into great detail, necessarily. But I don’t know how much detail we would have to go into for individual homes with these things, but I could see vision visit Longmont working on a pamphlet and being more inclusive with even more neighborhoods, but including this. So that’s point 1.2,

1:27:05
or question two, I guess, is this is our starting document, and I’m just looking at this map while we’re discussing this and saying, Hey, there’s a neighborhood we missed. How long are we going to be relying on this? How long have we thought about are we modifying this? How modifiable will this be going forward? I’m thinking of the neighborhood between sunset golf course and Hoover Street, north of Third Avenue. There’s a lot of custom homes in there, some very unique homes. The Emperor of Japan stayed in one because it was it’s quite a nice place.

1:27:41
It’s a unique neighborhood, and we didn’t survey that. So this is an ongoing process, obviously, but and just think we have to think also ahead. This is going to have to be modified.

1:27:55
So if I may respond to that through the chair,

1:27:59
this is a starting point.

1:28:03
There’s, there’s no reason it cannot be amended in the future to Mayor Peck’s point. Envision Longmont. We are looking at doing an update in 2026 The good news is that I’ll be the project manager.

1:28:19
Is at this point, I’ll be the project manager for that. And one of the things I’ve, I’m I, my intent is to use

1:28:30
this survey plan as well as a future Historic Preservation Plan, essentially as elements, especially a historic preservation plan would be an element of of the Envision Longmont update this survey plan would certainly be something that informs that planning process as well. So you know, from a staff perspective, my intent is that none of these exist in a vacuum, and they all inform our other planning processes and planning documents that we that we put together moving forward. So

1:29:05
the other thing is, you know, as far as architectural guidelines and design guidelines, the code currently does have some broad compatibility, very broad,

1:29:16
but ultimately, I would anticipate that a land development code update would come out as an implementation effort. For once the Envision Longmont plan is completed. So previous planning, the Envision Longmont plan, was created in 2018 or 2016 it was adopted,

1:29:38
and then it basically a land development code update kind of rolled out of that. So the land development code update was, land development code was pretty significantly overhauled and adopted in 2018 I would expect a similar process to come out of that. There will be a huge amount.

1:30:00
Of Public Engagement and public involvement as parts of those processes as well. But I will definitely continue to keep this Commission informed as we move forward with that. But my expectation is that we would be engaging all of our advisory and recommending boards and commissions as part of that planning process.

1:30:23
Thank you, Commissioner Sibley, yeah, thank you. I also wanted to mention that there was really no way to capture any of the things along the north side of Maine, or even just Main Street North and South, basically of downtown. And I bring that up just because there’s a handful of things, like closer to 1715, further north, whatever, where there’s signage, older buildings that kind of speak to tourism, like from the 50s and 60s, maybe up to the 70s, and some of that stuff could, I think, be very interesting. So I wanted to point that out.

1:31:08
And I had another one, and I’ve now lost it. Oh, I know I wanted to mention that I think the museum also has a lot of walking tour stuff. And I thought that they even had an app or something like, where you could do right? Rick, does that ring about

1:31:26
that? Okay? So anyway, so those were the two things that I had, but it really was that sort of Main Street.

1:31:32
The northern part of Main Street was a thought for me. Okay, let’s see Commissioner Jacoby, and then if we can move on into the match and matrix after this, I actually found one other typo that you just brought up that you reminded me of. On page 18, it describes a picture as South Main Street. That’s fourth and Main. On Page 19, it has the exact same corner, and it calls it North Main and Fourth Avenue. So they’re both North Main. It’s both the same corner, actually,

1:32:06
small point, but there you go. Valid. Thank you.

1:32:11
Okay, so let’s get into the survey recommendation action matrix,

1:32:19
and maybe before I have two

1:32:23
Well, one comment, one question, and then I’ll open it up. I had a question on the bone farm survey recommended

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note that said yes, limited or with browns,

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and I didn’t really understand what that

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meant. I

1:32:44
yeah,

1:32:46
let me skim back up to that analysis. Sorry, not trying to make anyone sick. I

1:33:18
i wish i had good answer for you on that one, but I don’t. I probably have to circle back with Tim on that one to see where what we were. You meaning by the Yes, limited, yeah, okay, it might be, because in here, it calls out more the commercial areas around it, but I can check with him and okay, I’ll get an email Jennifer that she can shoot over to you. All right. Perfect. And then my other comment was, so we’ve got all the neighborhoods in here and and that’s great. But one thing that we that we started talking about, even in that initial kind of session, that isn’t really on here, and I think it should just be added as an action matrix. Well, this is my opinion, and I’m happy to take, obviously, the rest of the Commission’s feedback on this, but we don’t have a placeholder for these outlying agricultural surveys. And if this is a document that’s going to be the foundation for where, you know what surveys we go

1:34:19
try and get funded and executed. It’s not in here anywhere, and it so we didn’t ask you to run around town and figure out where all the various agricultural buildings are, but I think we ought to have a placeholder in this matrix for outlying agricultural

1:34:38
properties, and that can be its own

1:34:41
survey goal, that’s my opinion.

1:34:45
So, yeah, happy to expand the matrix to create some of those fields, because I think it also can capture, you know, the potential commercial areas along the main core and as well as kind of around the golf course area and some of those custom home yeah, if we want to call it an hour.

1:35:00
Outline, properties, survey or whatever we want to do. I mean, there’s a couple of different ways to tackle that, but listen different ones and kind of run past Jennifer, but yeah, I think having some of those additional fields, plus, I think having a few blanks, so that way it can be an actual matrix that you can fill out, yeah, and work through, right? That’s fair change. Okay, so just in the end, what I’d like to before we’re done here, I’d like to have some kind of consensus, if we can get there from the Commission, about about what we think the maybe top five priorities are

1:35:33
in this matrix. But at this point, I’ll just open it up for anybody who’s got a comment or question on the matrix. Okay, perfect.

1:35:41
Go.

1:35:42
Okay. Commissioner Tarek, okay. This is just a clarification question on the matrix. So where on the second page of the matrix, it says commercial properties within these areas? What I was a little confused. What these areas were. Where was it the areas like the west, east and downtown historic districts, or is it all of them? I was confused by that. Yep, I was reading that before. Well, you guys were talking about the state stuff. And, yeah, I want to clarify that, because I believe what that’s intended to be are the commercial areas that are on kind of the fringes of a lot of these neighborhoods that we talked about. So around, like the south more neighborhood, there’s some commercial properties around there. And what we did is, when we sent this over to a couple firms that do survey work, holistically is kind of their big focus, they looked at and they’re like, Yeah, you know, there’s these few properties kind of around the outliers that you talk about and that you show. Let’s, you know, there’s roughly this many, let’s put in there, and it would be about this much to just capture those commercial ones, since they’re a little bit more specific and how they’re surveyed.

1:36:55
So yeah, I’ll work on the wording of that neighborhood place. Thank you. Yeah.

1:37:02
Okay, other comments or questions on the matrix, and if not, then I’d be interested in feedback on priorities.

1:37:20
Commissioner Norton, yeah, I think the My question would be, does the planning department have an idea or anticipate the cadence at which surveys could occur? Like, are we thinking one a year, couple a year, one every other year? I think it, it’s a big, giant, it depends. We’ll have to look at funding availability, what grants we can can get to fund the work as well. I think one a year is probably not unreasonable, although some of the larger areas may take a little bit more.

1:37:58
It just we It depends on it basically comes down to money. So we’ll hopefully get we’ll get to them as quickly as we can. So

1:38:09
I have an additional question about survey and kind of like how we’re thinking. This is a wonderful planning document, very, very focused on architecture. Only one of the neighborhoods really talks about

1:38:24
any sort of cultural history or importance when we’re thinking about surveys. Are we really only thinking about architectural surveys, or are we going to do a broader survey of all the significance criteria for these Well, at least three the significance criteria for these neighborhoods,

1:38:45
I would anticipate the surveys would take a broader approach. The architecture gives us a starting point. Thank you.

1:38:54
Great point.

1:38:56
Let’s see Commissioner Sibley, yeah, I had a question, because as I was trying to figure out my priorities on those I’m for on the second page, where, where you’ve got West Side and our district east side, I’m were those

1:39:16
in some places, some of the dates mentioned are referring to the last time they were surveyed, and I just wasn’t sure, as I was reading that, like, I’m assuming that there is a survey because they’re updating and ours nominations. So I was a little concerned, confused on, like, what does that mean? Like, like, how do I consider that? As far as prioritizing the same question, okay, thank you. Yeah,

1:39:46
so yeah, because they didn’t want to dismiss those. But on the flip side, if they’re they’ve already been surveyed,

1:39:52
maybe it’s time to look at some other places first and then go back to them. So yeah.

1:40:00
And I can’t fully answer the question, but with those two areas, think because the they were surveyed a little while back that there’s been a lot that’s occurred, and so re surveying is important, and they face a lot of the redevelopment pressures that are currently occurring. So that’s why they probably showed up on a higher level, because a lot of times since they’ve already been a designated district, the survey aspect might be a little bit quicker through that process, but it could also be more complex, because a lot of it’s commercial and it’s a big mix. So it’s it’s kind of one of those tough ones. So I could see the report priority adjusting those to more of a medium priority based on some of the other outlying neighborhoods as well.

1:40:43
Yeah. Okay, that

1:40:46
sounds Yeah. And I guess that was my little bit of my take too is again, thinking about the the primary purpose of this document is to to be the baseline that we use to to go out and decide where else we need more information. You know, what is the next cultural survey that we get? We we’re going to be providing this document with any kind of grant request and say this, we’ve done all this foundational work. This is, this is, this is the area we want to focus on. Here’s why. Here’s the information behind, you know, the start of it so. So, just to get it out there,

1:41:26
I basically kind of ranked some priorities on my own, and they were largely in the older

1:41:33
neighborhoods.

1:41:36
I just for the sake of trying to come up with something, I’ve ranked the bone farm number one and the cannery number two, in terms of priorities, with the Old North being three, just thinking about the older neighborhoods that are already kind of, you know, facing some change,

1:41:57
and and then. And I think that relatively aligns with what you’ve seen. Was shown in the report. Again, some of your mediums and highs are maybe like, I think the Old North I think Commissioner Jacoby mentioned it that he maybe medium is not

1:42:13
the appropriate priority for that neighborhood. It’s so close to downtown Kaufman,

1:42:19
you know that there’s, there’s, and the houses are so small

1:42:25
that I think there’s,

1:42:27
you know, some potential for pressure there. I also did, I mean, one of the things that was really great about this is we’ve got a lot of really tiny little houses in this in this town, and that’s kind of cool, because that’s, I mean, these little, tiny historic homes are some of the more affordable homes in the city, right? And so tying this notion of historic preservation and affordability together, I think, is, is really compelling. And this document does it better than anything else we’ve had here, right? So anyway, that that that was sort of my thought to in terms of starting to prioritize. And then I think I had Browns farm four, and Kitely five, and then I stopped. But that’s those. Those are, those are my thoughts. Let’s see Commissioner Terek. I was well, I was going to just jump off what you said when you were talking about Old North and cannery, I was going to add Kitely to that, but you all, you just said that. So sorry,

1:43:26
yeah, because I had the same thoughts about Kitely as you were. So

1:43:31
okay, I clicked on too early. No, all good. I just interrupted myself

1:43:37
see Commissioner Jacoby. Just for the record, I think your priority list is perfect, actually,

1:43:45
okay? And anyone else have comments about that priorities, or we have general sort of, I don’t think this is a voteable thing, but if we have general consensus feedback, I think that would be good. Anybody object to that order for any reason?

1:44:00
Okay?

1:44:02
And you know, beyond that, I’m not sure that it matters right after after the first five, if this is a even if we get one a year, that’s five years from now, we’ll go through an envision Longmont update in that time period. I mean, there’s just a lot that would happen in that period after five years? Yeah, yeah. A lot happens after

1:44:24
Yes, especially these days, yeah,

1:44:29
yeah. So if you can just, and I guess the only other one that would would potentially float around in there is that miscellaneous agricultural sites, and for me, that would be one place where maybe I might bump that up before, you know, into number three or number four. You know, because, in part, because I think those are some of the more

1:44:52
in danger, if you will, right these peripheral areas that that people you know, look at and think it’s.

1:45:00
Just blight, and we need to get rid of it, right? And that’s the first reaction, because it’s just kind of out there, and that’s the easier place to put a 711 or whatever. You know? I think that’s something that we ought to be keeping track of. I think it’s a great point. I mean, I’m, I’m from small town Iowa, so I was just back in Iowa last week, and there’s a lot of places where I remember an old barn sitting there. Now it’s a

1:45:23
gas station or, you know, whatever else. But something considered too is with those, like agricultural sites, since they are kind of scattered and they’re smaller, there’s always opportunity for, like, college class projects too.

1:45:36
I’ve done that where I’ve had a professor that I knew, and his class came and they did some survey work, at least at the reconnaissance level, and were able fill out the forms and

1:45:46
class projects. So didn’t really cost much, except some food and, you know, gift card here or there for gas. So it’s a

1:45:53
great, great idea, something considered for some of those there. Well, then we’re scattered, not like a big, robust but, you know, a professor can keep an eye on, you know, seven, eight sites versus half, half 100 or something, right? No, that’s excellent. Excellent idea. Great. Any other comments on the survey plan?

1:46:17
Okay, all right. Well, thank you again for your efforts. Thank you for being receptive to our feedback.

1:46:24
And we’ll look forward to any other comments that come from any other of the agency, museum and Historical Society and and then I presume that we’ll just get a final, final version to sort of certify and officially vote on and approve here and is there. What’s the timeline for that? I’d like to get to know by me. I’d like to get the final over in a week, just before the holidays. But, you know, we will also want to get the feedback from the others. So as soon as we get that feedback, we’ll just make those quick update. We’ll get all the other updates done, you know, here in the next couple days. So January meeting would be, I think January meeting is probably reasonable. I’m gonna afford this to the museum and Historical Society folks and ask them for please, please, please, quick, quick turnaround.

1:47:11
Yeah, it’s more just. If they have any, we’re not asking for them to proofread or detail. It’s just an overview. Is there anything that we miss that we’re Yeah, somehow we just completely forgot about Yeah, right, yep. I’d love the next one to be kind of your final. And we were joking before, especially with all the accessibility requirements. Once you get a PDF, then you have to go through make sure everything reads for the accessibility online, which is always, always a fun challenge, but we’ll have that all done so you can post online and meet all those requirements as well. Excellent. Well, thank you again. Appreciate your effort and appreciate you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

1:47:45
All right,

1:47:48
that is all of the business that we had for this evening. Or do any of the commissioners have any additional comments?

1:48:02
No, okay, city council, rep, Mayor Peck,

1:48:08
I do. Damian’s presentation made me think of a question that I would like to ask.

1:48:15
Sorry.

1:48:16
This probably for Jennifer, when we get as council requests for annexation. Is there anyone that goes out to that property to see if there’s anything of historical importance on them? Because I know that council doesn’t know that.

1:48:34
That is an excellent question, actually.

1:48:38
Um, frequently in the case of the annexation I referenced earlier. We’ll get,

1:48:47
you know, staff will take a look at it, and you the project planners will ask me, like, hey, is there anything that you’re aware of that significant? I’ll check the state database and look and see if there’s been anything cataloged. In some cases, I’ll you know the county, Boulder County is as a reviewing agents, as a referral agency, as well as Weld County, but Boulder County has a very robust historic preservation program,

1:49:10
so

1:49:12
we do what we can, okay, yeah, we definitely do what we can, and where appropriate, we will refer it To the commission to make recommendations in the case you know, one of the items you know, in the case of the barn, the barn ever off of, is Layton.

1:49:29
That particular discussion started before my I was here, but I continued it, and we were able to, rather than get a marker or some interpretive thing, they decided they would. They were willing to deed the barn and some to the city in addition to some open space. So,

1:49:50
so yeah, we do what we can to work with property owners and developers to preserve what can be preserved on the site and or otherwise have some sort of recognition.

1:50:00
Of it fantastic. I never thought of that until I saw your presentation. So thank you,

1:50:07
great

1:50:08
Commissioner, fencer. You’re out of order, but I’ll give you the floor here.

1:50:14
I’ve

1:50:15
never been out of order before.

1:50:19
Is there any way to formalize

1:50:23
what you just talked about as a requirement. Because I gather there is no, there is no formal procedure for doing what the mayor has referred to. So oftentimes, in the case of annexations, we would have a a requirement that a phase one environmental site assessment be conducted as part of the application. And typically as part of those, phase one ESA is, if there are historic potential historic resources in the property, it will get flagged as part of that.

1:50:58
You know, we’ll also take a look at existing properties on the site.

1:51:03
As far as you know, using the county assessor to take a look at building age and such.

1:51:09
You know, we do a pretty broad look at properties. I mean, if it’s, if it’s a blank, blank, blank piece of land that doesn’t have anything in it, we might not that might not rise to the standard, unless something comes up in the ESA that there might be some his, there might be some archeological work done.

1:51:29
It typically is a project by project basis, but still discretionary.

1:51:36
It can be. We are, you know, we do have certain require, things that we look at, and our code requires, as far as you know, historic preservation reviews. So we

1:51:47
again, typically, for larger projects like annexations, there would be a phase one environmental site assessment, and that might flag it in the case of these Layton project, that’s what happened. And,

1:52:02
you know, staff and the Commission basically said we want to see a phase two, and, you know, do some additional archeological work and see what’s there.

1:52:13
So it is case by case. But we do have, but we do as as a general rule, look at the properties and and identify whether or not we need that additional look. Would, would, would your work be more assured if there, if it were made a requirement and formalized somewhere in a code of some sort, not necessarily simply because there are, you know, we do have our required documents for different application types. Not all development applications would rise to the would rise to the level of requiring such an assessment. However, you know, for example, in the case of, you know, demolition code, that is definitely codified for, you know, properties within the original town plat. So that is definitely codified. That is something we have, I’ve worked with our building permit people to really put in place a process to make sure we don’t miss these things.

1:53:17
So it’s, you know, it’s a work it’s, it’s a work in progress. It’s kind of a but unfortunately, you know, the nature of this type of thing is we do, it does come down to case by case, and a lot of times, and many times we just, when we’re looking at projects, there definitely aren’t historic resources on there. But if there’s any question, you know, I’ll check the state database and, you know, county assessors information and see what we can find.

1:53:43
And again, if it’s a type of project that requires a phase one environmental site assessment that typically will include some mention of whether or not there are any historic resources.

1:53:59
All right, thank you.

1:54:01
I, for one, appreciate that we have good staff, and they can use their discretion, so I think that’s a good thing. All right. Wonderful discussion tonight. I think we had a lot of great, great information thrown at us and some thrown back.

1:54:19
So

1:54:21
great evening, I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

1:54:26
Okay? We have a second Okay,

1:54:31
motion by Commissioner Barnhart and seconded by Commissioner Jacoby. All in favor. Aye. We are adjourned. Thank you very much. Applause.

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