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Historic Preservation Board – August 2024
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Let’s go ahead and call to order the August 1 24 meeting of historic preservation commission.
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Oh, sorry,
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I’m rushing. Yeah,
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yes, we’ll call the roll when you’re ready.
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Commissioner Fenster here,
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Chairman lane here,
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Commissioner Jacoby here,
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Commissioner Barnard, thank you. So we do have a quorum and can conduct business next or item on the agenda would be approval of the July 10 2024, meeting minutes. Do any of the commissioners have any comments or corrections?
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Commissioner Barnard,
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I just want to compliment
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Maria on being able to pull together an extremely active discussion into a clear and concise set of minutes.
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I so do I hear a motion in there?
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Okay, I have a motion to approve the minutes from Commissioner Barnard and seconded by Commissioner Fenster. All in favor, Aye. Any opposed? None. So the immediate meeting minutes are approved, and I did vote to approve them, even though I was absent, but we’ve already established that that is a that is something that is acceptable order of
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procedure. So just noting that for anyone who’s curious.
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Okay, so next is report from the chair.
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I have really not a lot, but I did. I was contacted by
2:06
a writer from the boulder weekly who’s doing a feature on the tower of compassion, and so I responded to a handful of questions regarding kind of the process and why we think it matters, and that sort of thing. So
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I guess look for an article in the boulder week weekly coming up.
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So I’m, I’m, by default, or de facto, at least, getting some of this outreach.
2:33
And then, interestingly enough, I also got contacted by the Tinker mill, who was doing a production on the sugar mill.
2:43
And so
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I don’t really know much more than that, but they’ve asked me to if I’d be willing to comment, you know, on behalf of the commission.
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So I’ll keep you up to speed on what that ends up being.
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Commissioner Barnard
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staff requests. You’ll probably see these articles before we will definitely before me, because I don’t subscribe to any of those things. If you could, could let us know when they appear, if it’s permissible to send them around, or send links that we could open ourselves and just be aware of it, and
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then the other cop, based on the other comment, I did,
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staff did send around
3:32
possible educational sessions, and I did attend the one on
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sugar mill, sugar mills around the state, and what was going on, and who was who, which cities were doing well. And then they they opened the floor. Zoom call. They opened the floor to comments. And I spoke first,
3:56
and I talked about and interesting, the points that I made were echoed by other people in the from cities all around.
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I
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think there were like 17
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certified local governments on the call, all of whom had sugar mills in their community, and they mostly are, I’d say 99% have the same exact issues that ours is facing and that we face, and that as this as a City Commission, and that is because the sugar most not in the city, and that was echoed by everybody on the call for all and they said, Well, it really wasn’t in the city. It’s kind of in the county, but it’s right next to us. And we and staff then said something about how in most cases, they purposely
4:50
put it in an enclave that wasn’t part of the city, because they for various reasons, I think probably not, the least of which is they don’t want city to be.
5:00
Controlling what they were doing. So it was a good call. I mean, I
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not not much came of it, other than informing everybody, and it made me understand that we were not alone in the issues that we’re having to deal with. Well, that’s, that’s excellent. I think that’s but that’s a potential resource, you know, as we move forward. And I missed that one as well. It’s been a little crazy lately for me, but I did want to, I was hoping to grab that one. So I’m glad that you were able to attend, at
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least, you know, be there to soak it in, and we may rely on you to
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comment at a later date. Thank you.
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All right, let’s see. Let the record show the commissioner Norton is present. Let’s see
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communications from staff. All right, yeah, I unfortunately was not able to attend that sugar beet CLG webinar either. Holly, would you happen to know if, before I reach out to Lindsay, does she do they keep recordings of those webinars?
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Okay, perfect, perfect. I think that would be of interest to a lot of commissioners as well, because Commissioner Barnard, I think, was the only one. Barnard, I think, was the only one who was able to tune into it, and it sounds like it was a good one. I know the this month’s funding and training and updates for August that I sent earlier today does have some links to other to some of the information from that as well, with a map showing the location of the sugar factories around the state, and some additional information about the sugar beet industry. So
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yeah, share that information I sent that I did send that information with us, as well as some upcoming webinars this month as well. So for any anything that might be of interest from the city staff side
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on the article for boulder weekly, the reporter did reach out to me for possible contacts for the kanamoto family.
7:10
I did also copy, we do have a new public information officer with the city, Rogelio Morris, who is very keen to be included on those things. So I looped him in as well, just so he was aware of what’s going on
7:23
relating to the tower of compassion. We do have our public here, our city council dates for that set. We’ll be doing our first reading at the August 13 city council meeting, and the public hearing will be on the September 10 city council meeting. Normally it would have been on the 27th but I have a conflict on the 27th so was not able to attend that one. So September 10, we should have a freshly minted landmark in the city of Longmont. Yeah,
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it happens to be, unfortunately, with the budget hearings, but I think it’ll be a nice, short, feel good item for the council. So do that first? I hope.
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I think they Yeah. I believe they would. I would hope they would so, because it is an item on second reading, so typically, or Yeah, on on public hearing. So that should be fairly quick. I would hope,
8:15
let’s see we have a new commissioner who is not able to be here this evening, but we’ll be here on Sun on September, our September 5 meeting, Dawn Tarek, she unfortunately was had a conflict for this evening, but
8:29
now has a clear calendar for the first month, first Thursdays of the month.
8:33
In since our last meeting, we did issue one administrative certificate of appropriateness that would be for the hover home garden shed there, they had a pretty significant hole in the roof
8:46
that needed to be dealt with. So we did review that administratively, they’re basically replacing the shingles that are on the roof with a very similar, but probably more highly rated impact shingle. I think they had, they had hail damage, which I know is a common story
9:03
in the last year or so with roofs. So, so we, we issued that I’ve actually been working with our newest associate planner on, you know, kind of, how do we determine what’s administrative and what’s, you know, needs to go to the commission? So hopefully, I’ll be bringing her to the September meeting so everyone can meet her. Name is Melanie nesky, so
9:26
great asset. So I’m having help, having teaching her how to do a lot of the some of the reviews and what to look for and everything, so we can have backup more than anything.
9:38
There we mentioned, I know, the last meeting we mentioned a proposed demolition at 844, Baker Street, Chairperson lane, and I did conduct an initial review of that request. There’s, it’s basically corner of ninth and bakers and the historic east side. It’s um
9:55
within the original town. So it’s kind of basically our first test of our new demolition.
10:00
Ordinance, so we
10:03
determined that it should be referred to the full commission for review. We were originally planning to take it tonight’s meeting, but given the weird, compressed month we had and the fact that this is the first time we’ve used this section of the ordinance, there was a notice error. So we’ll be taking it on the September to the September meeting for everyone to take a look at, as far as whether or not it meets the threshold to be referred
10:29
for consideration for landmark status. That will be a decision for the Commission, as far as whether or not we should proceed with that. In a nutshell, the property owner is looking to demolish a small home on a large lot, subdivided a lot, and build two new single family homes.
10:47
So so we will be discussing that at the September 5
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meeting. Survey plan. I expect to have a draft report next week, so we will have that at September as well. So we should have a pretty beefy agenda in September. So have dinner beforehand,
11:08
or pat granola bars
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beyond that, I believe I have covered everything. Oh, let’s see. Nope, I already covered that note as well. So and Holly and Commissioner Norton, you were not here when I initially handed out the envelopes. Basically, those are the appreciate appreciation tokens from the boards and commissioners recognition reception that was held earlier this summer. So forgot to bring them last month, so I have them this month.
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With that, I do not have any other items, Okay, any questions for staff, Commissioner, burner, did I miss an envelope, or did I get it some other way? I think you attended the so I got it, yeah, you got it. If you attended the reception. You got it? Okay,
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yep. If there are no other questions for staff, my only comment on the 844, demolition review that we’re going to take a look at next week is to just be I would ask that all the commissioners do find their way to the property. I think this is important enough that you actually see it in person prior to to making any kind of a recommendation. So it’s, it’s not far, I
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would ask that you do that.
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All right.
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Great. Thank you. Jennifer,
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next, we have public invited to be heard. Seeing no one in the audience, I’m going to open and close the public
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invited to be heard section. We do not have any public hearings or new business, and our looks like our only prior business is the fact that we have a new commissioner who unfortunately is not here. So this might be an absolute world record.
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I will open the floor to any comments from HBC commissioners.
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All right.
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Commissioner Jacoby,
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well, as as most of you know, because I’ve told you over and over I’ve done tours of the historic east side trying to raise awareness of the historic value of the neighborhood. I just want to tell you now that I made a book of the tours. So for everybody out in Longmont, public media land,
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a walking tour in old Longmont is available at the used book emporium and the 300 block of Maine. It’s available at bricks on Main on the 400 block, it’s available at the Longmont museum, or you can get it on Amazon. You just have to on Amazon type in a walking tour in old Longmont, and it’s $12
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and
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I’ve learned that if your name isn’t JK Rowling or Stephen King, if you want to sell things, the best way to sell a book is to buy it yourself and give it away.
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So I’ve got a copy for all the commissioners and for planning tonight.
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But one other point. After you breathlessly read it,
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if you think it’s worthwhile, point it out to your friends who are historically inclined. They may want to buy it. They might want to buy it, and I can recoup some of my costs. And the last point about it is that the importance of the historic surveys we’re doing. The majority of the information in this book, I got from the historic surveys that are already done,
14:44
and they were posted online, and hopefully will continue public access, especially as the city comes up with a new website, but it shows some of the importance of the historic surveys. So I’ll give you all a copy of this
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great thank you, and congratulations on that.
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Different. That’s not insignificant.
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Commissioner
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Barnard, thank
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you. Yes.
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Thank you.
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Just to let the commissioner know that,
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with the support of the staff, I will be attending the on the road, saving places conference in Steamboat Springs, which starts the day after our next meeting. So I’ll be coming to the meeting and then driving the Steamboat Springs the next morning.
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I did go last year to La Junta. Found it extremely valuable. It’s much smaller than the one that’s in Boulder. So it’s a much more,
15:50
much more opportunity to interact with people from around the state who do come and they the local communities are very proud of what they have to to offer. I probably use the example of La Junta hundreds, 100 times in conversations about what what the options are to becoming a ghost city
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and Steamboat Springs. Isn’t the same, but you know, at the same time, it has some I went to the you were you were there too, to the presentation they made about this girls camp that was there 100 years ago, and that was for wealthy
16:38
girls to go and study over the summer and and learn the arts and sciences and whatever. And that’s still around. It’s still there. It’s still in operation. I think it’s boys and girls now, but one time was it was the only opportunity, or one of the only opportunities, for young women to get any type of of arts training. So I’m really looking forward to it. I won’t have anything to report on September 5, other than I’m probably tired from packing, but I’ll give a report at the October meeting.
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Great. Thank you.
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Any other HPC comments?
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No, I think that is absolutely world record.
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Mayor Peck is not present here tonight, so we don’t have any comments from our city council, so we are on adjournment.
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I move that we adjourn.
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Okay,
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moved by Commissioner Norton, seconded by Commissioner Barnett, all those in favor, aye, we are adjourned. Thank you all for making it out here you.
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Let’s go ahead and call to order the August 1 24 meeting of historic preservation commission.
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Oh, sorry,
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I’m rushing. Yeah,
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yes, we’ll call the roll when you’re ready.
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Commissioner Fenster here,
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Chairman lane here,
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Commissioner Jacoby here,
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Commissioner Barnard, thank you. So we do have a quorum and can conduct business next or item on the agenda would be approval of the July 10 2024, meeting minutes. Do any of the commissioners have any comments or corrections?
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Commissioner Barnard,
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I just want to compliment
1:05
Maria on being able to pull together an extremely active discussion into a clear and concise set of minutes.
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I so do I hear a motion in there?
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Okay, I have a motion to approve the minutes from Commissioner Barnard and seconded by Commissioner Fenster. All in favor, Aye. Any opposed? None. So the immediate meeting minutes are approved, and I did vote to approve them, even though I was absent, but we’ve already established that that is a that is something that is acceptable order of
1:49
procedure. So just noting that for anyone who’s curious.
1:54
Okay, so next is report from the chair.
2:00
I have really not a lot, but I did. I was contacted by
2:06
a writer from the boulder weekly who’s doing a feature on the tower of compassion, and so I responded to a handful of questions regarding kind of the process and why we think it matters, and that sort of thing. So
2:22
I guess look for an article in the boulder week weekly coming up.
2:27
So I’m, I’m, by default, or de facto, at least, getting some of this outreach.
2:33
And then, interestingly enough, I also got contacted by the Tinker mill, who was doing a production on the sugar mill.
2:43
And so
2:45
I don’t really know much more than that, but they’ve asked me to if I’d be willing to comment, you know, on behalf of the commission.
2:55
So I’ll keep you up to speed on what that ends up being.
3:01
Commissioner Barnard
3:04
staff requests. You’ll probably see these articles before we will definitely before me, because I don’t subscribe to any of those things. If you could, could let us know when they appear, if it’s permissible to send them around, or send links that we could open ourselves and just be aware of it, and
3:26
then the other cop, based on the other comment, I did,
3:29
staff did send around
3:32
possible educational sessions, and I did attend the one on
3:41
sugar mill, sugar mills around the state, and what was going on, and who was who, which cities were doing well. And then they they opened the floor. Zoom call. They opened the floor to comments. And I spoke first,
3:56
and I talked about and interesting, the points that I made were echoed by other people in the from cities all around.
4:07
I
4:08
think there were like 17
4:12
certified local governments on the call, all of whom had sugar mills in their community, and they mostly are, I’d say 99% have the same exact issues that ours is facing and that we face, and that as this as a City Commission, and that is because the sugar most not in the city, and that was echoed by everybody on the call for all and they said, Well, it really wasn’t in the city. It’s kind of in the county, but it’s right next to us. And we and staff then said something about how in most cases, they purposely
4:50
put it in an enclave that wasn’t part of the city, because they for various reasons, I think probably not, the least of which is they don’t want city to be.
5:00
Controlling what they were doing. So it was a good call. I mean, I
5:07
not not much came of it, other than informing everybody, and it made me understand that we were not alone in the issues that we’re having to deal with. Well, that’s, that’s excellent. I think that’s but that’s a potential resource, you know, as we move forward. And I missed that one as well. It’s been a little crazy lately for me, but I did want to, I was hoping to grab that one. So I’m glad that you were able to attend, at
5:37
least, you know, be there to soak it in, and we may rely on you to
5:42
comment at a later date. Thank you.
5:47
All right, let’s see. Let the record show the commissioner Norton is present. Let’s see
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communications from staff. All right, yeah, I unfortunately was not able to attend that sugar beet CLG webinar either. Holly, would you happen to know if, before I reach out to Lindsay, does she do they keep recordings of those webinars?
6:16
Okay, perfect, perfect. I think that would be of interest to a lot of commissioners as well, because Commissioner Barnard, I think, was the only one. Barnard, I think, was the only one who was able to tune into it, and it sounds like it was a good one. I know the this month’s funding and training and updates for August that I sent earlier today does have some links to other to some of the information from that as well, with a map showing the location of the sugar factories around the state, and some additional information about the sugar beet industry. So
6:45
yeah, share that information I sent that I did send that information with us, as well as some upcoming webinars this month as well. So for any anything that might be of interest from the city staff side
7:00
on the article for boulder weekly, the reporter did reach out to me for possible contacts for the kanamoto family.
7:10
I did also copy, we do have a new public information officer with the city, Rogelio Morris, who is very keen to be included on those things. So I looped him in as well, just so he was aware of what’s going on
7:23
relating to the tower of compassion. We do have our public here, our city council dates for that set. We’ll be doing our first reading at the August 13 city council meeting, and the public hearing will be on the September 10 city council meeting. Normally it would have been on the 27th but I have a conflict on the 27th so was not able to attend that one. So September 10, we should have a freshly minted landmark in the city of Longmont. Yeah,
7:53
it happens to be, unfortunately, with the budget hearings, but I think it’ll be a nice, short, feel good item for the council. So do that first? I hope.
8:02
I think they Yeah. I believe they would. I would hope they would so, because it is an item on second reading, so typically, or Yeah, on on public hearing. So that should be fairly quick. I would hope,
8:15
let’s see we have a new commissioner who is not able to be here this evening, but we’ll be here on Sun on September, our September 5 meeting, Dawn Tarek, she unfortunately was had a conflict for this evening, but
8:29
now has a clear calendar for the first month, first Thursdays of the month.
8:33
In since our last meeting, we did issue one administrative certificate of appropriateness that would be for the hover home garden shed there, they had a pretty significant hole in the roof
8:46
that needed to be dealt with. So we did review that administratively, they’re basically replacing the shingles that are on the roof with a very similar, but probably more highly rated impact shingle. I think they had, they had hail damage, which I know is a common story
9:03
in the last year or so with roofs. So, so we, we issued that I’ve actually been working with our newest associate planner on, you know, kind of, how do we determine what’s administrative and what’s, you know, needs to go to the commission? So hopefully, I’ll be bringing her to the September meeting so everyone can meet her. Name is Melanie nesky, so
9:26
great asset. So I’m having help, having teaching her how to do a lot of the some of the reviews and what to look for and everything, so we can have backup more than anything.
9:38
There we mentioned, I know, the last meeting we mentioned a proposed demolition at 844, Baker Street, Chairperson lane, and I did conduct an initial review of that request. There’s, it’s basically corner of ninth and bakers and the historic east side. It’s um
9:55
within the original town. So it’s kind of basically our first test of our new demolition.
10:00
Ordinance, so we
10:03
determined that it should be referred to the full commission for review. We were originally planning to take it tonight’s meeting, but given the weird, compressed month we had and the fact that this is the first time we’ve used this section of the ordinance, there was a notice error. So we’ll be taking it on the September to the September meeting for everyone to take a look at, as far as whether or not it meets the threshold to be referred
10:29
for consideration for landmark status. That will be a decision for the Commission, as far as whether or not we should proceed with that. In a nutshell, the property owner is looking to demolish a small home on a large lot, subdivided a lot, and build two new single family homes.
10:47
So so we will be discussing that at the September 5
10:52
meeting. Survey plan. I expect to have a draft report next week, so we will have that at September as well. So we should have a pretty beefy agenda in September. So have dinner beforehand,
11:08
or pat granola bars
11:12
beyond that, I believe I have covered everything. Oh, let’s see. Nope, I already covered that note as well. So and Holly and Commissioner Norton, you were not here when I initially handed out the envelopes. Basically, those are the appreciate appreciation tokens from the boards and commissioners recognition reception that was held earlier this summer. So forgot to bring them last month, so I have them this month.
11:38
With that, I do not have any other items, Okay, any questions for staff, Commissioner, burner, did I miss an envelope, or did I get it some other way? I think you attended the so I got it, yeah, you got it. If you attended the reception. You got it? Okay,
12:00
yep. If there are no other questions for staff, my only comment on the 844, demolition review that we’re going to take a look at next week is to just be I would ask that all the commissioners do find their way to the property. I think this is important enough that you actually see it in person prior to to making any kind of a recommendation. So it’s, it’s not far, I
12:28
would ask that you do that.
12:30
All right.
12:32
Great. Thank you. Jennifer,
12:37
next, we have public invited to be heard. Seeing no one in the audience, I’m going to open and close the public
12:46
invited to be heard section. We do not have any public hearings or new business, and our looks like our only prior business is the fact that we have a new commissioner who unfortunately is not here. So this might be an absolute world record.
13:07
I will open the floor to any comments from HBC commissioners.
13:13
All right.
13:16
Commissioner Jacoby,
13:19
well, as as most of you know, because I’ve told you over and over I’ve done tours of the historic east side trying to raise awareness of the historic value of the neighborhood. I just want to tell you now that I made a book of the tours. So for everybody out in Longmont, public media land,
13:40
a walking tour in old Longmont is available at the used book emporium and the 300 block of Maine. It’s available at bricks on Main on the 400 block, it’s available at the Longmont museum, or you can get it on Amazon. You just have to on Amazon type in a walking tour in old Longmont, and it’s $12
14:00
and
14:02
I’ve learned that if your name isn’t JK Rowling or Stephen King, if you want to sell things, the best way to sell a book is to buy it yourself and give it away.
14:13
So I’ve got a copy for all the commissioners and for planning tonight.
14:19
But one other point. After you breathlessly read it,
14:24
if you think it’s worthwhile, point it out to your friends who are historically inclined. They may want to buy it. They might want to buy it, and I can recoup some of my costs. And the last point about it is that the importance of the historic surveys we’re doing. The majority of the information in this book, I got from the historic surveys that are already done,
14:44
and they were posted online, and hopefully will continue public access, especially as the city comes up with a new website, but it shows some of the importance of the historic surveys. So I’ll give you all a copy of this
14:57
great thank you, and congratulations on that.
15:00
Different. That’s not insignificant.
15:03
Commissioner
15:06
Barnard, thank
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you. Yes.
15:09
Thank you.
15:11
Just to let the commissioner know that,
15:16
with the support of the staff, I will be attending the on the road, saving places conference in Steamboat Springs, which starts the day after our next meeting. So I’ll be coming to the meeting and then driving the Steamboat Springs the next morning.
15:36
I did go last year to La Junta. Found it extremely valuable. It’s much smaller than the one that’s in Boulder. So it’s a much more,
15:50
much more opportunity to interact with people from around the state who do come and they the local communities are very proud of what they have to to offer. I probably use the example of La Junta hundreds, 100 times in conversations about what what the options are to becoming a ghost city
16:17
and Steamboat Springs. Isn’t the same, but you know, at the same time, it has some I went to the you were you were there too, to the presentation they made about this girls camp that was there 100 years ago, and that was for wealthy
16:38
girls to go and study over the summer and and learn the arts and sciences and whatever. And that’s still around. It’s still there. It’s still in operation. I think it’s boys and girls now, but one time was it was the only opportunity, or one of the only opportunities, for young women to get any type of of arts training. So I’m really looking forward to it. I won’t have anything to report on September 5, other than I’m probably tired from packing, but I’ll give a report at the October meeting.
17:12
Great. Thank you.
17:15
Any other HPC comments?
17:19
No, I think that is absolutely world record.
17:26
Mayor Peck is not present here tonight, so we don’t have any comments from our city council, so we are on adjournment.
17:34
I move that we adjourn.
17:36
Okay,
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moved by Commissioner Norton, seconded by Commissioner Barnett, all those in favor, aye, we are adjourned. Thank you all for making it out here you.