Senior Citizens Advisory Board – July 2023
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Speaker 1 0:00
under any additions or corrections to the agenda, I will have a motion for approval of the agenda. I want to ask some. Well, I guess Marsha, here that report last night, okay. Yeah. Council meetings? I got so. Okay. All right. I need a motion to adopt to accept the agenda. Second, all those in favor say aye. Aye. All right. Oh, approval of the previous month’s minutes or the new corrections or additions to the minutes. You did an excellent job, by the way. Yes. It always helps to have them done well, because any corrections or additions to the minutes moved? Moved to approve. The second seconds. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Public to be heard. Is there any public here?
Speaker 2 1:08
saying none excuse me, David, there were two ladies that I don’t know who that yeah, I’ll
Speaker 1 1:13
introduce them in just a moment. Okay. All right. I’m going to skip to new business all the old business later, I was hoping we could keep our discussion on that housing authority to about an hour. So we have other things, several other things to discuss also. So I’ll introduce the new members. For as long as
Unknown Speaker 1:44
I know the two new members in my
Unknown Speaker 1:48
mind just stepped out.
Speaker 1 1:50
Okay, well, you two know each other. Yes. Okay. Why don’t you introduce yourself?
Speaker 3 1:57
My name is Arlene sarton. And I lived in Longmont now for just a little over five years. I would I actually originally, I grew up in Colorado, left and back. And most recently, we moved here from Salt Lake City where I also worked for Salt Lake County for over 20 years and the aging and Adult Services Program. Awesome. Welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 1 2:25
She also worked with my daughter when my daughter was going
Unknown Speaker 2:30
she was my mom’s
Unknown Speaker 2:38
Speaker 1 2:49
I guess we can go around introduce ourselves. I’m David Bronner. I’m the Chair of the Committee for about two years, this will be my 24 It’s been a pleasure. I will say that why don’t you introduce yourself,
Speaker 3 3:09
we’ll find a way to meet everybody. I’m very sorry. My name is wanting to eat. I have been involved in historic Westside neighborhood. For the 20 plus years I’ve lived here. i No matter what I did professionally, I always was involved in my neighborhood. And we started doing an email to put out information about what was going on in the city. And it’s progressed over the last 15 years. And through a weekly email that I do. I’m very involved are very interested in what happens to the senior community here in Longmont. That’s why I applied to be on the board. I I have I would like to use my abilities as far as getting the word out to people to get more people involved or to get the word out to a wider community. That’s a real interest of mine, and transportation for seniors. That is also a big interest of mine. So I thank you very much. I’m looking forward to being on the board. If you got any questions, please let me know. Great. Welcome. Welcome. And thank you. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 4:43
We are delighted to have you. What committees do want to be?
Speaker 3 4:51
always the first question if somebody joins a committee on a board, we are okay. Oh
Unknown Speaker 5:00
Let’s continue. Lisa. Yes.
Speaker 4 5:04
Eleanor and the regional housing manager for Bhagwant Housing Authority.
Unknown Speaker 5:08
Again, I’m David Brown. For
Unknown Speaker 5:13
the council is
Unknown Speaker 5:15
Molly O’Donnell, the housing director for the city
Speaker 5 5:18
market doesn’t just come to the end of this year, I’ll complete five years on the board. Running media Senior Services Manager. I’m Robin Vesica. I’m your acting secretary. No. I’m Beth Bowles.
Unknown Speaker 5:36
I’ve been on board for seven months.
Speaker 6 5:40
I’m Janine Terran. And a board member for five years. I also volunteer at the Senior Center.
Unknown Speaker 5:47
I’m also a peer support volunteer.
Speaker 2 5:55
She was Shana Conroy and I’ve been on the board for it’s either three or five years. No, three or four years. I’ve enjoyed it. I do a lot of volunteering, but not specifically at the Senior Center. I could do more.
Unknown Speaker 6:14
Right, so thank you. With that, I guess we can get started. anything so far? I didn’t notice it. Okay. All right. Wyoming and Arlene, again, welcome. And Molly and leaves off. If you could make your presentation, however you want to do it, I don’t know how much structure they were given as far as
Speaker 7 6:44
just you providing information that you requested in the sense of providing any updates, proceeding around senior housing, any any trends, any there is any identified areas of support, to come back to the to the board to see as we can support? So I’ll communicate exactly how you recommended.
Speaker 1 7:07
Oh, let me ask first, before we get started, how many of you have met these folks or had a presentation by them before?
Unknown Speaker 7:20
Okay, well go ahead, and however you want to do it.
Speaker 8 7:22
I’m gonna go ahead and get started. Again, I’m Molly, I, we’ve got, we could pick a couple of topics, I want to kind of hear from you all, what you’re most interested in. And I’m gonna lay out a couple of of options of things we’ve been working on or efforts going forward. So first of all, is anyone interested in hearing about really what affordable housing actually is? With that something we’ve been trying to do kind of an education campaign to the community to be able to tell exactly what that really means for people, because it was pretty clear from the Loma community wide survey that people are wanting work to be done in this area. But perhaps we need some, some education efforts out there to really say what does that mean? Does anybody like to hear about that as a baseline or really dive into the senior side? Okay.
Speaker 6 8:17
Can you kind of explain the difference between affordable housing affordable senior housing and Section Eight housing? Yeah. And and that will help people understand?
Speaker 8 8:30
Sure. So something we’ve been talking about recently is on that community survey, people said, um, city, how are you doing on your affordable housing programs, and we weren’t bottom of the list. And I think that we really need to talk about what does affordable housing mean for people because everyone, regardless of your income, age, stat stage of life, wants affordable housing for them for their their specific point in life. So what that really means HUD is the federal agency in charge of HUD, housing, housing and urban development, they say that if 30% of your gross monthly income is spent on your housing, then that is affordable to you as a general guideline, if it’s more than that you’re called housing cost burdened. For the city programs, because we live in such a high cost area, we say it’s more realistic to call it about 33% of your gross income. If you spend that on your housing, payment, then that is considered okay. Obviously, you know, the less the better. But anything more than that you are housing cost burdens and you’re going to struggle to pay for other things that you need to pay for in life. And so whether you’re in restrict, you know, income restricted housing or just in in the home that you’ve owned forever or rented forever, that is just not part of that. formal program. That is what affordable housing is to everyone. So that’s what I’m calling little a affordable for every person. Capital A affordable means a real affordable housing program. These are programs for people in certain incomes, that if you are below a threshold, you can qualify for assistance. And so, on the city side, we have a rehab program for owner occupied homes. So this helps, for example, it was a Senior Agent place in their home and make sure that home is energy efficient, and doesn’t have, you know, a standard of living problem. So we go in, and we use federal grant funds to help people make modifications to their home, we can do roof repairs, and HVAC systems and various levels of things to help people age in place. And that helps keep our our what could be naturally occurring, affordable housing not not a program, but just keep that stock out there rather than deteriorate. on the city side, we also provide funding for development projects. So the city council sets aside a million dollars a year of the general fund to go into the affordable housing fund. And after paying our operating costs, we put the rest out for competitive award to developers that do affordable housing. And so that’s building new, affordable housing that is in that income restricted range. So if it’s a rental property, you can rent an apartment there, that and your income wouldn’t be capped to be able to get in. There’s a lot of nuance with that, as people, you know, if they’re not, if your incomes are still rising due to, you know, overtime at your job, there’s some things we work around for that. But generally, that is what it’s what that is for when it comes to the housing authority, so the housing authority of the city are two different entities, they are housed under the same roof, which actually is only since 2020. And actually is working out really well to come up with a lot of efficiencies between the two and make sure they’re really communicating and working towards similar goals and that type of thing. So the housing authority, and housing authorities across the country are quasi governmental agencies that provide affordable housing and manage housing choice voucher programs or other there’s a myriad of voucher programs. But the two different major subsets are the Housing Authority operates nine residential properties, a total of 462 units that are all income restricted, they all have wait lists. And sometimes they have lotteries to get on the waitlist, because there is very high demand. different units are set at different income levels so that we have a range. And then I would say, for example, a senior that is living off of Social Security primarily, is probably about what a 30 or 40% of area median income 30% of area median income. So that’s some of the the lowest level of units income restricted units that we supply. And that really does hit those that are really living off of restricted incomes, with without other income coming in. Other than that. So we have over 462 units. Well, I should say of our nine properties, all allow seniors in but we do have seven of those that are restricted specifically for seniors. Six, oh yeah, right. I would always stick six out of nine are restricted for seniors, most of those are 60 to one below, and we have one that’s 55. And below, I’m sorry, 62 and above and 55. And so that’s how many units we have total for seniors out of that. Three 380 or so apartments that are income, restricted and age restricted. And that’s actually a very large portion of our portfolio. We don’t have very many units that are not age restricted. That’s really because in the last 10 years, the Housing Authority really focused on senior housing because of the baby boomers aging into this and just really that demographic. Just booming. Nice. No pun intended. So that’s on the housing authority property side. I’m sorry, that was me. On the voucher side, a Housing Choice Voucher which used to be called the section eight voucher program. That means if you are income qualified, you can via a lottery and then a waitlist, qualify for a voucher. What that means is you pay 30% of your income on your rent, no matter what your income is, that is what you pay. And then the voucher pays the balance of your rent. So let’s say you’re renting an apartment, that’s $1,000 a month, and you can only afford 400 of that, because that’s 30% of your income, the voucher will pay the remaining 600 to your landlord. So we have about 420 vouchers in our community, but also the Boulder County Housing Authority in Boulder and Housing Partners, which is the city of boulders housing authority. They also allow they put up boundaries as well. And those people could live in LA Matt, to mental health partners in this shooting backwards as well. Yes, so we’ve got a myriad of voucher providers. And that is something that seniors can access. But it’s not there’s no age restriction there.
Unknown Speaker 16:01
So Section Eight is no longer part in one go.
Unknown Speaker 16:04
It’s cut now called Housing Choice is the same thing. But choice Housing Choice Voucher Program.
Speaker 9 16:13
nominee just did a quick interruption because he went through the numbers. That sounds like essentially for senior housing, or the low end between the supply of vouchers and the supply of the units that we have. There’s some overlap there because some people do for their senior housing. Yes. Lhh. senior housing with a voucher Yes. That would account for about 1% of the population of Longmont a larger number of households. And if you can do math in your head, I can 40% of us are seniors. So how many see what percentage of seniors are are provided for by this low income? Housing?
Speaker 8 17:10
That is a very timely question, because we are going to we’re finalizing right now the housing needs assessment study that’s going to be presented to council next Tuesday. And just some are preliminary demographic data. The books like 16% of our population as of 2021 is 65 or older, so obviously more than that, below 65.
Unknown Speaker 17:37
But we’re still running through this. So this is a sneak peek.
Speaker 8 17:44
Residents with a disability 55% of seniors in Longmont have at least one disability. So those are some of the most that I just noted a couple of these statistics that that are going to be coming out. And then how you did want to note which I’m not finding it off the top of my head quickly here. But we’re still compiling this all. But residents that are 85 years and older, that population growth is increasing. So obviously, as we’ve we’ve known for 10 plus years that the senior housing senior population would be growing. And now that group is is aging into the 85 and up. So I will try and find that number. While we’re sitting here to provide it later. But those are just a couple of the really interesting thoughts that I had sort of 16% of our population is over 65. That’s about 16,000, since we’re about at 100,000 total population. And then we have let’s say we have 462, I’m sorry, 380 Sr units, we don’t have the number of senior voucher holders off the top of our head, but let’s just round it to maybe 500. So 500 out of 16,000 doing math, more math in this working for the city than I ever thought.
Speaker 6 19:15
And given that unit. And waiting lists are long. And sometimes we have to wait till people pass or move or move into assisted living. If it’s available. Would you say that there’s a problem.
Speaker 8 19:44
There has been a problem for a while. And now our new problem is we built all of these units for seniors in the last 10 to 15 years. But because of the way you finance projects did you have To have a mix of incomes to get the right mix of rents coming in to make them financially feasible. So we’ll have some 30% units, which as I said, is really where if you’re living on just Social Security, that’s where that you stick. But we have 40 50% 60% airview of area median income units. And seniors. If you don’t have something else other than Social Security, those 50 and 60% units are out of your price range. And if you don’t have a voucher, specifically they are. And so now we have, we have 50 and 60% Senior units that are really difficult to fill all the 30% ones, I have a huge waitlist. So everything is morphing over time. So we’re trying to figure out ways to help adjust that. So for example, one of our development projects that we’re doing is we’re renovating the village Place Apartments right there on 16th Kaufmann, Romani lives. And to do that, to make the new financing work and make sure that we attract investors, which primarily fine fund affordable housing, we have to show that the rents is you know, they don’t, they’re not there to make a profit. But you have to show that the costs are covered through rents. And so if we are showing 50 and 60% units that can’t be filled at the right rent level, we are bringing in a specific set of vouchers to try and add them into those units to be able to fill them with a 30% income person. So we’re trying to do what we can to target filling those units, but still serve the need of the 30% Am I people? That’s getting pretty technical, but we can always chat offline, if you have more questions
Speaker 2 21:49
was the proportion of 1516 cents and 32 cents? How is that determined? And who determines.
Speaker 8 21:58
So in terms of how many go into it says it’s got to be giant math equation. It depends on how much if you get more funding support. So from the city’s affordable housing fund from private donations, then that helps you can make your affordability level go down on those units. If you can’t bring in that funding, then you have to balance it out to show that you can cover the cost.
Unknown Speaker 22:27
So it depends how much money you’ve got available.
Speaker 4 22:31
Just I wanted to add in the income percentages, and 30%. That is an income of 27,960% is 55,000 per year.
Unknown Speaker 22:44
Hi, I’m Grace senior to have that training.
Speaker 5 22:49
So if somebody is on a social curio, 30%, you said, what if? What if they need a place? And they say, Well, I’m at 40? Or 50%? I mean, do we allow them to go in there and not be able to play they’re there to lighten gas or water etc? Is that possible? No, we just don’t have a man on that.
Unknown Speaker 23:17
waitlist for the unit that they can afford.
Speaker 3 23:21
That you don’t reach for a higher one, allow them to kind of hang
Unknown Speaker 23:26
weightless or too long.
Speaker 10 23:28
So if there are empty units for seniors that can’t be filled. What is a federal government that sets the percentages or is it the city? Or is it the Housing Authority, who sets it?
Speaker 8 23:41
So it’s a combination, but it’s the federal government, the so most of these affordable properties are are funded through the Low Income Housing Tax Credit Program, that’s an IRS program that basically makes it attractive to private investors to invest in building affordable housing in exchange for a tax credit. And so those investors are trying to meet the federal requirements, and make sure that they get their tax credit, the real reason they’re there. I mean, they have some intrinsic value too. But generally, they’re not there, if they’re not going to get what they got. They’re investing. And so we have to show that we have the right unit mix affordability mix to make the project work and bring in the right amount of money for them to qualify for that credit, but also not, they’re not trying to make a profit. They want to show a loss, actually. So is
Speaker 10 24:33
there a group from all these different places that are trying to figure out a way to fill these empty units? It’s
Speaker 8 24:40
more all of us all together, constantly working to try and make sure we get that sweet spot.
Speaker 10 24:46
Are there any thing? Is there any anything coming up in the pipeline?
Speaker 8 24:52
So we don’t have new senior units coming up because senior all the properties built in the last 10 to 15 years. We’re all All Sr. And we are showing that some scenes, I mean, we will always have a need for those 30% units always. But we are showing that some seniors are possibly leaving the area because I can’t afford it here. And so what we’re trying to do is we have, I don’t want to say neglected, because the need was for seniors, they were serving the need in the last 10 to 15 years. But now we’re seeing, we have to catch up on family units as well. So there are new family units coming out. And we’ll call them permanent supportive housing developments coming out serving those that are exiting homelessness.
Speaker 1 25:40
I got I got a question on need. I’m trying to get a big picture here. Starting at the tail end, so to speak, starting to take those homelessness. I have no idea right offhand how many homeless people would have long, then the next step would be how many people are waiting for housing? I know there are waiting lists. But what I’m trying to get at is, what’s the overall lead how many people do not have housing at all, they’re living with their parents or relatives on the street? whatnot? What’s What’s the unmet need, that we have out there, particularly regarding seniors? Maybe you can answer that. Now, you said something about the survey.
Speaker 8 26:29
So we don’t have really great that the unhoused population, what we do know is generally about 10% of the unhoused population is what you see on the street, what is really visible 90% of it is people living in cars, couchsurfing living with family but not wanting to move to their own place because they can’t afford it. We know that generally, nationwide, that’s the trend, what you see is actually a small portion. And what you see is often those that are very difficult to house, sometimes they’re not interested
Unknown Speaker 27:04
in getting the house will be larger and be mentally ill
Speaker 8 27:07
there. That is that is a major factor. So 90% of those are really what’s unseen. And those are the ones that are participating with the Boulder County. That’s called coordinated entry, they’re trying to exit homelessness, they’re taking the steps to be able to find a place to live, we can pull that I don’t have those numbers off the top of my head. But we do have the number of participants through that coordinated entry program that we could share. And that’s really our best way to get a number of those are that are unhoused. But looking to be housed when it comes to our vouchers, which are again, all ages. But when we opened our waitlist at the beginning of 2022, we had 150 waitlist spot lottery response.
Unknown Speaker 27:56
Yeah, we opened up for 150. And we had over
Speaker 8 28:00
17 1700 on that one.
Speaker 4 28:03
And then we opened in September of 2022 for 250 spots. And that was given primary priority to those who live or worked in Longmont, we have over 1200 applicants for 250 slots,
Speaker 8 28:17
and that is 250 spots on the waitlist not to get a voucher. So we pull off the waitlist as we go down the line.
Speaker 4 28:26
And then for our great Oh, for our our senior properties that are in our portfolio, each of those right now are sitting about 100 and 20 people on each waitlist.
Unknown Speaker 28:39
And look at approximately how long,
Speaker 4 28:42
it could be anywhere from a week to a year. So
Speaker 6 28:47
more commonly would not be a week, but it would more commonly be
Speaker 4 28:53
a couple months or a year just depends on the property and
Speaker 5 28:58
going through. I don’t know where I picked up it. There’s a two year waiting list.
Speaker 4 29:04
And it could depend on if they’re waiting for 30% unit and there’s people waiting ahead of them. It could be up to two years, because some properties only have maybe 530 percents on the whole site. So
Unknown Speaker 29:18
I was just gonna say Are there any people that are on more than one week?
Unknown Speaker 29:22
There are a few so but not a lot? Not enough
Unknown Speaker 29:25
to secure it? Yeah, right.
Speaker 9 29:29
We should also say that this President group has has made a huge amount of progress in terms of eliminating redundancies in the waiting list eliminating I guess, zombie, of people on the waiting lists who actually upheld and didn’t didn’t take themselves off the list. And so it’s this is a much more realistic picture of who’s actually waiting than we’ve ever I have the floor. The other thing is that there wasn’t good messaging about how the waiting list worked in the past. So you’ll find people that say I was on the waiting list for eight years. Well, no, you weren’t really happened is they tried to contact you couldn’t find you, you were taken off the list, and then you kept waiting. So now, I think you tell everybody, they have to renew their application periodically, what is it a year,
Speaker 4 30:34
if they have a change, they need to update us ongoing and we’re calling we’re making sure we’re following up with those on the waitlist.
Speaker 8 30:40
If they’ve moved or have any phone number,
Speaker 4 30:43
or if they’ve been if they’ve just signed a lease somewhere if they want to be removed, or if they’re not looking for now, another year, like they still have that goal for at 30% unit, but they had to take up 50 or 60, somewhere else, but they still have that targeted goal. And they signed the lease will move up further down the waitlist more closer to a timeframe that they may be available when we have availability
Speaker 5 31:07
of assets, right? When you have a housing development, or apartment units. Do any of them their units fit into this category as far as them being required to give a specific amount?
Speaker 8 31:26
Yep, so the city has an inclusionary housing requirement, meaning if you develop market rate units, either for sale or for rent, then you’re required to provide 12% of those as affordable to people under 50% of AMI. However, you could pay a fee in lieu instead, in which case, then we manage that fund and then put it out as that gap funding for more traditionally, Housing Tax Credit projects. But yes, and so we do have a couple of developments that have done that. Vivo has only six. So that’s vce 26 deed restricted units for under 50%. Ami, the farmhouse apartments did it as well. And we’ve got a whole bunch more in the pipeline. Name.
Speaker 6 32:17
I I’m curious about now that people are no longer protected by the COVID. No evictions. What have you noticed?
Speaker 4 32:38
We didn’t have an increase of eviction for non payment of rent, lease violations that were not correct for long term that created nuisances. But it wasn’t anything out of the ordinary, I would say, because there were so many programs to help those who do not pay rent, they have the E wrap in funding. So a lot of those were taken care of, because those people who just did were too lazy to go and get the assistance. And even when hand holding didn’t want the assistance. But there’s been a big change in legislation in the last month and a half that is impacting landlords, we used to be able to serve a 10 day notice or a 10 day demand for like rent payments, whether whether you know in compliance with their lease, before conviction. Now that’s turned into a 30 day demand. So the tenants have a 20 day longer period to correct
Speaker 8 33:30
which for payment of rent. That’s, we can work with that. Yeah, we’re for substantial lease violations that are threatening the health and safety of neighbors. That’s a challenge.
Speaker 6 33:43
You know, I’m thinking specifically of people that have lost their house and now that that program is no longer available, and
Speaker 4 33:51
there’s still quite a lot of the our seven we refer to the Senior Center, the our center churches and everything when we go somebody’s happy those and we try to educate our residents, if you know you’re having are going to have a situation, talk to us sooner than later. Because the sooner we know the sooner we can get you in touch with people and help you get those resources to help.
Speaker 6 34:12
And you do know that the resources are usually one month’s rent.
Speaker 4 34:18
And we do do payment plans. There’s different things we can do on our end to to help the tenants as well. So
Speaker 8 34:24
really eviction for non payment of rent is generally quite extreme. It’s it haven’t paid for years, three months or longer. We’re working with reps. Right but with the evictions in the general world since the moratorium was lifted. i We don’t I don’t think we have numbers other than how often Lisa seen them at court. But
Speaker 4 34:52
what I will say with Walmart, we are very fortunate because we have city mediators that show up to court every eviction During, and they sit there with a tenant and they try to work with the tenant and the landlord to come up with a plan. So the household is not evicted. And that’s now a mandatory requirement as of this new legislation as well.
Speaker 6 35:12
Right. And, and some of the problem, too, is the fact that rents go up. And it’s not so much that people haven’t have not paid their rent, it’s that they can, they cannot afford to live there anymore. And they can’t afford anywhere else around here, either.
Speaker 1 35:33
Is there a differential impact with different groups? For example, Hispanics, Blacks, disabled veterans, whatever? There’s some software homelessness or unavailability of housing more than other groups? Or maybe you don’t have any data?
Speaker 8 35:53
Well, not specifically, because they have to report that. And it’s not, that’s not something that’s available, like in census data, because they don’t necessarily always pull the unhoused. I’ve let me check with the the Boulder County data source on when they are pulling people from homelessness and see what they’ll have that type of data that may pull on that
Speaker 1 36:17
other survey or information you’re talking about, as far as the kind of housing that’s available, but I got that report, too.
Speaker 8 36:25
Yeah. So the the housing needs assessment will be available to the public. It should be here on Thursday. Tomorrow. We’re finalizing it today for the council packet for Tuesday. So
Speaker 9 36:42
there’s one more thing that should be said, which is the again the was changed in the favor of the housing precarious population that the state law has changed? All those apartment complexes, you see, are now required to take vouchers, it used to be that they were allowed to say no, we don’t accept that source of income. But now they must
Speaker 4 37:09
even private owners, if they own more than four rental properties are required to take a voucher. Yes.
Speaker 2 37:18
So in the case of struts, in addition to the 12%. On affordable housing in new development,
Speaker 9 37:28
this is the phase of operations this is actually when there isn’t. It’s all done. Regardless of whether it’s a designated affordable unit or not. You still have to accept a voucher as part of your
Speaker 4 37:45
source of income. So Nobody’s allowed to discriminate now on source of income. is
Speaker 1 37:53
we have a brand new housing development right across the street from us, I think there was at 80 Different at 88. parent homes a so from what you told me, I assume that there’s a city ordinance that requires a certain percentage of those to be available at certain income levels. But I really don’t see them. Maybe they’re there, but I don’t think they’re,
Unknown Speaker 38:16
you know, what was it?
Unknown Speaker 38:17
What’s very good kids I’ve heard. So I certainly bought them all.
Speaker 8 38:22
Well, they either pay the fee in lieu or they went they were probably ahead of the ordinance. The ordinance was enacted in 2018. And if you got your building permit, that you were grandfathered.
Unknown Speaker 38:33
Well, 2018 I was 2018.
Unknown Speaker 38:39
Yeah, yeah, that’s right.
Speaker 8 38:42
And building permits in actual construction, sometimes lag as well. But we cannot be property
Unknown Speaker 38:48
Speaker 1 38:55
How does I’m still trying to get a handle on all of this? What? How does the senior center fit into this? How do they relate? So
Unknown Speaker 39:08
there are major major partner
Speaker 4 39:10
we they are like one of our limbs almost. When we’re working through situations with residents. It can be anything from mental health rental assistance, just needs resources, whatever. If we identify something that we can’t meet in house, we refer to the senior center we have the resource specialist. Each has assigned a property that they each work at, or they have the residence for that property. And so we’re meeting tomorrow we have a great new law, a big meeting, a two hour meeting that will go through both agencies will go through together and talk through situations, problem solving, how we can do better what we need to do just all of that we are working daily together and trying to identify those residents who need support services even like some Times, residents are fearful of coming to the senior center and asking for help or resources or even getting involved with other seniors, they, they don’t know how to do it. So we are kind of that bridge that we work directly with, like Veronica, and Amy and like, kind of connect them to the face to face at the Senior Center. They have that familiar person when they go they know who to talk to, who they can ask for stuff. And
Speaker 1 40:26
those are three resource specialists or who most of that has to deal with those folks. today. I’m sorry. But those are mainly the resource specialists.
Unknown Speaker 40:36
Speaker 10 40:39
Has it always been a month, wait to see a resource specialist.
Speaker 7 40:44
I feel like that’s what I’ve heard what I’ve inherited. And I think that’s just because of where we’re at with their staff and serve.
Speaker 10 40:53
I wondered if it had if the length of time is increased, which shows the severe need for increased staff. So
Speaker 7 41:00
that has decreased with the 2020 request for an additional resource specialist to address them during during the pandemic that helps alleviate that wait time and reduce the wait time.
Speaker 4 41:15
We have one resource specialist that is overseen by senior services. But le che has or worse, worse at LSU.
Speaker 10 41:23
I must say that I used to deal with I tried to deal with a Housing Authority. When my son my disabled son was trying to get housing for him. It was a nightmare. And it sounds like things have really come a long way in the City of London. So glad you’re both on board. How could your staff
Speaker 8 41:45
does it just know we’ve got so we’ve got some of us are on the city and Housing Authority side together. Lee says Lisa is really the property management arm and what is your total staff night team between property managers and maintenance. We have three on the voucher team. We have an accounting arm and then the city’s housing arm is about five staff members. So I did find a couple of seniors specific data points that I just wanted to throw out here since I’m as I’m just flipping through the poverty rate in Longmont is about 8%. But that has decreased steadily over time, you know, not very quickly but has decreased but seniors are right there at the 8% meaning there, they’re about equivalent with the city overall. But seniors have a lower poverty rate than children less than 18. Those with less than a high school degree, Black and African American, Hispanic and Latino people and single mothers by far. And then seniors over 65 are significantly more likely to own their homes. 70% of seniors in Longmont are homeowners compared to 57% of 35 to 44 year olds, and 34% of 18 to 35 year olds. So those are generally people that have been here for a long time, not dealing with the housing market as it is more recently when it comes to the racial disparities, because I’ve got the racial disparities on the people that are housed not necessarily the unhoused, which I could pull for you. But the homeownership rate for non Hispanic white people is 68%. If you compare that to Hispanic Latino, they’re at 42%. So less than white people, and then Black or African American homeownership rates are only 19%. There’s a significant disparity there. And that’s ownership. So this is, that means there are many there are renters, and those that, you know, have census data covers that you don’t have
Speaker 9 44:02
the distinction between between owners with mortgages and owners who don’t have a mortgage. And that would be great to know because of course, you know, a lot of seniors don’t have mortgages sitting right there sitting fairly pretty. But
Speaker 10 44:20
that figure should be easy to come by to Boulder County tax.
Speaker 8 44:25
And you know what, before Tuesday, our our analysts could probably just pull that even if it doesn’t make it into a record to the timeline, we could ask them to just record it. The thing we’re doing this
Speaker 1 44:44
what do you what do you think the biggest impact other than homelessness or lack of housing has on the senior community? Where does it come out? And like mental health issues, eviction? Well So,
Speaker 8 45:01
mental health, crime and evictions for seniors seem to be in line with the rest of the population we have. disabilities are higher. But specifically those items, I mean, we have people that you wouldn’t expect. And then they left, they were evicted for some other purpose. And then there was meth in the unit, meth pipes. So really, that is that doesn’t, there’s no disparity on age, when it comes to crime, and evictions, the thing that I would say really does specifically affect seniors is the lack of affordable assisted living. And when people are living in independent senior living, and really need to transition, and there’s nothing out there. So something we’re trying to do. Right now, hopefully, I’m hoping by the end of the year, is we’re trying to get an affordable assisted living development partnership going, we might be land banking to do that, just to just enter federal funding quickly. But we are trying to crack that nut and it’s a hard nut to crack. But that is part of our development plan.
Speaker 5 46:16
I don’t know why you wouldn’t have those percentages. But is there any kind of predictions as to how many homes are being used by multiple families? I mean, I know. Right? Gotta be a lot of them. I mean, there’s a lot of the house.
Speaker 8 46:38
So we can tell from this from census data, if it’s multiple families, but we can tell the size of households. Let me see if I can grab that. Well, right. It’s all census data. So what’s what’s recorded household size. So in 2013, the number of households Well, let me just hope by this way, you can tell that that’s a growing condition here, the numbers are hard to pull, because when you’re looking at census data, they’re offset by the younger generations coming in, can’t afford an actual home. And so they’re living in smaller apartments. And so the data is offset. It’s it’s weighted over here. So you can’t really tell what’s happening. So for example, in 2013, the number of households with four more people was at 25%. And 2021, it was 21%. So it looks like it’s going down. But that’s offset by the number of single person households coming in, because that’s it’s tied to having more studio and one bedroom apartments, for people that have that are younger and don’t have maybe, you know, marriage rates are going down, the number of children are going down. So the smaller households are increasing on one side. But so are the large ones. So it’s just kind of upsetting each other
Speaker 6 48:10
to sail late J have any restrictions in terms of number of family members, or who can live in their facilities, because you know, culturally, in the Hispanic community, families live together, often mothers, so are there any restrictions or their number of restrictions?
Speaker 4 48:35
Yeah, it’s different per almost property. So are 62 and older properties. Everybody in the household does have to be 62 or older, unless they have a live in caregiver. And that cannot be a spouse or a direct family member 55. And over those properties, can have household members under 55. They just have to be at least 18. And then we do have family properties that we have seen a lot of intergenerational households living together in and that’s kind of our focus with hoever, which is one of our new developments will have anywhere from one bedrooms to four bedrooms,
Unknown Speaker 49:09
trying to get larger. And are
Speaker 6 49:11
there any number of people in the unit
Speaker 4 49:14
restriction service that the city has restrictions and like each property it’s federally, I believe it’s two and a half persons per bedroom or per room, including a living room. And
Speaker 8 49:26
that’s driven also by the voucher program because you have to make sure that you report your whole household to make sure the income is calculated correctly.
Speaker 9 49:34
You need to do that and this is anecdotal because when I canvass as a candidate I asked people questions they’re willing to talk to me like is your household multi generational? How many voters do you just need to look in the closet in here or something
Speaker 9 50:00
Some of my some of my neighborhoods toward the south were part of a larger Hispanic population and the multi generational family households There are in fact higher. And again, this is not census quality data. This is this is people who answer their door and are willing to talk about it. But it’s significant enough that when I talk to builders, I try to advocate for building both rental units and and for sale properties that accommodate that, because you know, a lot of this one family feeling fairly friendly with himself, Moorpark has three generations living in the household, the house has formed after his own death, so it’ll live there.
Speaker 9 51:12
But we should be we should, we should be designing our, our dwellings to accommodate the way people want to live, instead of forcing them to live in places we build.
Speaker 1 51:34
deserve anything that you think should be added to their relationship during the senior center services that are provided like you do or vice versa? Any areas that need to be beefed up or taken away or whatever?
Speaker 8 51:50
Feel like we are utilizing it to the max. I, wherever you are, we’re talking about we have our resource specialists position that we partner with senior services to provide Lhh it serves as I have, you know, well, it’s it’s one whole position, but it serves 100 units of senior housing, and then 80 units of permanent supportive housing of which there are seniors, but it’s not age restricted. And so that we think that all of the properties, especially the other senior property that don’t have access to that person specifically, would benefit for that. So we’re trying, we put in a budget request together and to get another position, do you have a dedicated person for the remaining 280 Senior units that we have?
Unknown Speaker 52:40
So this year’s budget for 2024.
Speaker 3 52:46
So a couple of things that I think would have been a little bit interesting for them to hear. And you mentioned math, and the fact that that that the math has, at least the awareness of it has gone up, and units are down, because you guys got to go in there and clean them up. And they can be down for a significant amount of time, which means there’s no rent, and nobody can get in there. So can you talk about that a little bit, and the cost. And then the second thing is, I know that you have property managers on site, and I think that would be nice for them to know that as well.
Speaker 4 53:26
So for the property managers, all of my property managers do live on site at the senior communities. It helps with kind of a reassurance that somebody’s there, they’re walking around, they’re there to they don’t work weekends, but if there is something we call it fire, flood our blood, my managers will respond and take active control. It’s kind of just helped because they’re walking around the property, they’re coming in and out residents are seeing them and it kind of just creates a calmer peace with the residents that somebody’s there. And that’s just, I think my last manager moved in in November so So everybody’s on site so hard to watch out because as a manager, they’re living on site Fall River, Spring Creek has a manager living on site, village place hasn’t measured living on site, and the assets here has somebody living right next door in our townhouses, some and then for meth it’s on the rise. I have had a meth unit at Spring Creek Sol River, Aspen senior in 2022, early 2023 I have one currently at Village place. And I haven’t met the sweets and it does not discriminate against age I’ve had anywhere from a 55 year old household up to an 84 year old household have met and detest a unit for meth. The first one final the first test and the final test is about $3,000 Total cleaning can range anywhere they just smoked at once in the unit. Like they smoked in the bathroom one time I’m looking at about 10 to 16,000 to clean every lead that unit, if they smoked multiple times throughout the unit, that’s closer to 90 to 170,000. I think it’s the highest impact, too.
Speaker 8 55:13
And we don’t have that funding. I mean, we don’t have we, we have an insurance policy, that is like gold, and we are tapping it out. So we are looking to do, we’re trying to see if we can do like a, we always would clean it till it’s certified clean. And then we’re looking to bring in like Unity build effort, like habitat, because we can’t, we don’t have I mean, affordable housing doesn’t make money. We don’t necessarily have, it’ll take a long time to build up enough reserves to be able to just cover this ourselves. So it means
Speaker 6 55:49
that you didn’t necessarily the the owner of the unit is cooking meth in their unit. They could have a family member come home for their thing. You’re stuck with
Unknown Speaker 56:05
that you have a
Speaker 4 56:08
right now I have one that’s been down I think 438 days.
Unknown Speaker 56:14
And that’s, I mean, that’s a unit that somebody could be living
Unknown Speaker 56:17
in. Right? Yes.
Unknown Speaker 56:20
And a significant financial loss. Yeah.
Speaker 10 56:23
Carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide detectors, do they have metal detectors?
Unknown Speaker 56:30
Just gonna ask that. So
Speaker 8 56:32
pretty, not commercially available in the US. There is one company that is creating them in New Zealand, and they’ve been using them in New Zealand for a couple of years. We have one from them. And we’re testing it is prototype right now. And we’re just making sure it actually works, because they’re not cheap. But they’re cheaper than built than rebuilding. So we are testing it right now we’re getting about three or four more in there in the mail. And making sure they they will work and are worth the investment. And then if they are we intend to invest in them, because that’s really what it is. And it’s really not. The point is not to catch somebody in the act, we’d be putting them into clean unit certified clean and say you’re moving into a clean unit, you have a meth detector, it’s more of a preventative measure to if someone cares enough about their house in which some don’t. If you care enough about it, it would hopefully deter people and reduce our cost and make sure these units are available to the community. So that’s our plan, but it’s in progress.
Speaker 2 57:36
So I don’t know how you How’d you find out, somebody says this unit is
Unknown Speaker 57:42
you mostly don’t.
Unknown Speaker 57:44
So there could be some.
Speaker 8 57:46
There’s one, we only have one where we were able to evict because of man. Usually we find it after they’re gone.
Speaker 4 57:56
We’re doing the eviction, like she said, visit them for something else. And as we’re doing the eviction, we are finding you so you
Unknown Speaker 58:03
test for when Yeah, somebody moves out,
Unknown Speaker 58:05
Speaker 8 58:06
not everyone, we have to have cars. But but there’s almost no way to, to we can’t prosecute for it. We’re refer it for prosecution, it’s just the best we can do is if we evict someone because of mess specifically, again, we only have one we cannot we can make sure that goes on their eviction records so that a future future landlord can deny based on that, which isn’t it’s a signal of a cyclical problem, then they’re unhoused. And that’s an issue as well. But us not being transparent about what happened. We’ll be putting a private landlord that has way less resources and then even us in really high risk. So
Speaker 5 58:55
do we is there any way of just I mean, that’s a lot of units been going on for some time of time. Is there anything about basically the unit every so often or anything like that?
Speaker 4 59:07
Yeah, well, we do. Inspections, two inspections a year. We’re starting this year, we typically it was one a year but with COVID we were we can just go into people’s apartments. So last year, we did one this year we’ve already done one we’re going to do a second one but you let them know in advance. But these people are not leaving their best pipe laying around right and it’s very hard to smell math, it’s a chemical smell so they clean and they have candles gone you’re not going to smell it just like it’s
Speaker 8 59:37
so and we can’t test without carbs can’t go into units.
Speaker 3 59:42
So you can’t like when you go into the inspection you just can’t do a quick test.
Speaker 8 59:47
But also because even if it came up positive we couldn’t say that you specifically did that. Right? It could have been there from your buyer tenant we we can’t unless the subunit is clean. And then we find I did, I can prove that, that what is in
Speaker 10 1:00:03
the title. Right. But if an empty unit is tested when somebody moves out, that would be a way. Yes, catch it. Yeah, I was a realtor. And we tested, a lot of people test it for that, and it wasn’t invading their, their rights,
Speaker 8 1:00:20
right. So it’s a very complicated issue. But our goal is use prevention, and then use this method of the clean and, and put in the detectors, which will be it’ll be rolling, I mean, it’s not going to be all at once. But as we progressively get each unit covered, there’s an easy way
Speaker 10 1:00:38
to tell if math has been in a building can’t remember what it is, you spray something on the walls, and it turns blue. That’s the Real Estate Association insured, that’s not what
Speaker 9 1:01:00
do you when when someone leaves, either because of death? Or because they found other housing or because they were evicted? For usually for behavioral purposes? Or reasons, right? Do you test every unit to make sure it’s clean? At that point, only the ones where it looks like
Speaker 4 1:01:20
there’s if we have suspicion, like we’ll talk with our primary specialist who has worked very closely with PD, and we’re part of the crime free housing program. And we have worked through it and be like, Okay, do we have suspicion? This is what we’ve seen on our end, you know, even if somebody just leaves, you know, just packs up and leaves, we’ll be like, Okay, do we have suspicion? Do we is there anything that was about high traffic unit, we’re going through this to just be preventative, but even it just going to test is costly,
Speaker 8 1:01:45
it’s still, and it’s still a very small percentage, the small percentage is just very disruptive. Overall, out of 482 units, we have like six. So it’s not. I mean, we’ll never know until we have data on every single unit. But generally, it is still a small percentage. And so the chances are a regular vacancy is probably not contaminated. And we do have, I mean, we work very closely with public safety to make sure we’re following the rules on reasonable suspicion and unlawful search and seizure, which this clue you know, that’s the things we don’t want to overstep on.
Speaker 6 1:02:29
And to put it in the right perspective, you get exposed to that many places that you go, and you know, whether it be the library bathroom or the transit center, or you know, it is there.
Speaker 8 1:02:50
So Boulder County Public Health has come out and done some educational events and the the limits that are set by the state that say you must clean and remediate, are so conservative, therefore, like if an infant licks a wall, they are very conservative. And so Jed, the general population is more exposed than then we could probably ever document. But generally to in an adult person, they say that it’s it’s not a giant health risk, but we’re not gonna also, there’s that fine line of not taking chances and making sure we’ve gotten just following best practices.
Speaker 3 1:03:34
You know, it sounds like although it doesn’t happen very often, it eats up a huge amount of your of your budget. And I bet your budget that, you know, in the past 10 years, you never expected to have you never put it as a line item. So, do you see down the road, that you wouldn’t be able to put a detector in apartments that would have learned immediately? Yes, let people know
Speaker 8 1:04:02
if they work, if we can show that they work. That is our intent. Also, we are planning we are starting to set aside a meth reserve fund. We’re just started it in 2023, though, so it’s gonna take time to build but we are trying to plan for it with every extra dollar we have.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:19
And you said they were expensive ones that have been tested now. How
Speaker 8 1:04:26
so we were negotiating a bulk deal. But if you were just to buy one, if you’re a small landlord and want to put it in your single rental unit, it would be about $600 for the device. And then you have to pay basically like a cell phone line because it’s connected to a network and so maybe like $26 a month for that. So when you’re doing it on a small scale like that, that that’s probably worth that’s the bang for the buck because you’re you don’t have any safety net if you get met. For us doing it for 482 units. That’s a pretty A good chunk of change, but
Speaker 2 1:05:01
so even if they were $100 Each now,
Speaker 8 1:05:05
yeah. And for us, you know, that’s a, that could be 480 times 400, I should say $500. But that’s still less than, like two down enough. So,
Speaker 3 1:05:21
and you could put them in as people move into for the first time, that’s the idea. You know, I mean, you wouldn’t have to worry so much about the people that have been living there forever. But, you know, for the people as they move in the first time, then we started putting the detectors in to avoid people moving in and using them.
Speaker 9 1:05:38
And, you know, just just to compare, if you get a monitor and communicating carbon dioxide, car, car smoke and carbon monoxide detector, that’s what 26 to $50. So of course, you don’t have to pay anything monthly because it uses your own Wi Fi. Question
Speaker 1 1:06:06
for funding, your most your funding and some funding,
Speaker 8 1:06:10
local funding through the general fund for the city side. And then federal funding through the city side and on to primarily on the LA J side.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:22
Okay, I think you said a million for the on the city side,
Speaker 8 1:06:26
million dollars a year transfer from the general fund. That’s one that’s the ongoing source, City Council’s committed to for it since the 90s. And then we also now that we have the inclusionary housing program that fee in lieu revenue when developers market rate developers choose to pay fees instead of providers 12% units that also comes in. And so now our projections for that are going up as those developments are finally kicking in since 2018.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:55
So it’s been a million for a long time.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:00
Oh, it’s been the same amount.
Speaker 8 1:07:03
Um, maybe in the 90s, it was a ramp up, but it’s certainly been a million plus, there’s actually another mean, there’s a little nuance there’s it’s 1.2, because 200,000 of it helps serve the salaries and incur operational costs. But there’s actually, so the million plus some administrative funding from the general fund. There’s a family revenues from market rate developers, and we actually are getting since in the last two years, three years, half of our marijuana tax revenues as well, which is about $300,000 a year. That the half of it.
Speaker 9 1:07:40
Yeah. Molly, I think I think we need to understand that that is not at all the resources that the Housing Authority has for building like far. Oh, yeah. So when the Mali plans a new development, as is going on North Hill right now, there’s a stack. And that’s actually what it’s called. It’s a capital stack. And it includes money from HUD money from the state of Colorado. CHAFA.
Speaker 8 1:08:19
So that’s the housing tax credits. So that’s private equity, that funds like 80 to 90% of affordable
Speaker 9 1:08:25
low income housing, housing tax credits or light heads is, is that and then other sources as well, you know, grants. I think Harold is as the interim director, or Executive Director of the Housing Authority has been extremely Correct. creative in terms of finding things that can be used for grant managing of matching, which is always a problem, right? Because because you can’t get a grant unless you can match. But if you are on our marginal business, which the Housing Authority is, you could never build up any money for matching funds. But so if the Platte River Power Authority, or the our local distribution lead to utility, Longmont power invests by saying we’re going to put in special infrastructure to meet some state or federal goals for this new development, that can count as matching. And and so, you know, I think that the new housing authority in particular has has been extremely creative in terms of expanding its ability to build. Would you agree? I hope you agree. Yes.
Speaker 8 1:09:48
And partly because we’re, we keep our staff, we got a manager and then I help with the developments as well, rather than self developing and self funding all of it As we’re getting bringing in private developers to do the bulk of it, that’s what they do every day, we’ll just manage and make sure that lhhs interests are are considered and our funding or get funding is put in. So in that way, we’re we’ve got, like four development partners working all at once. And we’ve got developments coming out in 2023 2425 26. And seven, we’re filling and then 28 is already filled. We’re just rolling from here on.
Speaker 8 1:10:36
Veterans community project, yes. So they, the city council invested in that project by offering 100% fee waiver for those homes. They also got some they worked out, they are fulfilling the affordable housing need for the adjacent market rate development. So they were partnering all over to help fill that 12%. They have a lot of private donation funding is going in as well. And then the Housing Authority used to operate up on 1228 main that we brought the Housing Authority offices into the Civic Center, and DCP is now leasing that, and we’re considering selling that building to them as well for their administrative office. So we’re partnering with him several different ways.
Speaker 9 1:11:23
And they’re also really good, by the way, at finding rental situations elsewhere. For veterans, it’s not just the tiny homes that are that represent veterans coming exiting homelessness so shepherding on it,
Speaker 3 1:11:43
I’m often asked for various reasons, people who are looking for help with their rent. They’re stuck for a month, they’re stuck for two months, where can they go? I tell them the our center, I tell them the senior center button. Is there any other?
Speaker 8 1:12:01
Those are the main two ones outside of COVID relief COVID relief through boulder County’s emergency rental assistance program is now complete.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:11
It doesn’t they’re not working anymore.
Speaker 8 1:12:14
It’s not that they’ve used up all the funding. So those are the two primary resources I’d say are available right now.
Speaker 4 1:12:20
And a lot of churches are now stepping in now with the COVID fundings gone. Yeah, help pay rent.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:25
Do you know which ones I have? You could
Unknown Speaker 1:12:28
share that with me.
Speaker 4 1:12:32
The Mormon Church, even if they’re not a member of the Mormon Church, has been paying rents. Yeah, we’re seeing just checks left and right from different congregations.
Speaker 9 1:12:46
There’s a private charity called
Unknown Speaker 1:12:50
a woman’s work, right.
Speaker 9 1:12:53
And they’re, you know, they’re, I think they have a vast donor stream. But they operate kind of like the our center, they’ll give you money when you have an extraordinary need, whether it’s a month rent, or whether it’s a used car,
Unknown Speaker 1:13:09
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 1:13:12
Are there any other questions or comments on here, and
Unknown Speaker 1:13:18
I think this is very fruitful. And I was going to ask them to
Speaker 8 1:13:29
carry toddlers help on the energy side of things, but
Unknown Speaker 1:13:33
I was gonna ask him to come back again, sometime.
Speaker 3 1:13:37
I just want to say that I deal with lhsaa a lot because I live in one of their properties. And I can say that your plans for the future are really shoring up to be comprehensive and ongoing and helpful for the needs. In my case of seniors. I can see they have good vision for the future as far as what they plan on doing and how they plan on doing it. And I know that they’re they’ve been great about funding, you know, finding, like you said, Harold can be very creative finding the various ways to get funding, and that they’ve told us about deadlines that have been met. Okay, we’re now all set with the tax credit. And we’re now all set with this and that my building is being renovated and will start in the beginning of 2024. And they’ve been very good about providing us information about what steps they’re at and where you know, what’s going to happen in the future and things like that. It’s just trying to relay that information to 72 seniors that has been a bit of a problem, but we’re working on it hasn’t been a problem. It’s just as some people don’t always hear what said, you know, or get exactly what’s going on,
Speaker 9 1:14:58
to really change Resistance exam. Mind Exactly. They
Speaker 3 1:15:03
don’t, you know, they’re fearful of change. They’re fearful of what their apartment is going to look like when it’s been changed, which Lisa told me the other day that they’re going to actually do an apartment. The meth apartment apparently is going to be redone by the developer before they even start so that people can wander in and say, Okay, those are what the cabinet’s look like. And that’s what the comments look like. And I think that’s going to go a huge way with settling people’s fear of change and worried about, you know, how it’s going to look. So they’ve really been innovative, they’ve been trying very hard to communicate things to us. And I just want to give them a hand for that, because they’ve had a lot going on. And they shared with us other properties that are in the pipeline as far as non senior. And it’s like, wow, they have it, they’re really doing some heavy work in the next couple of years or in the ongoing future. So I just want to tell them that they’re, they’ve been doing a good job, and hopefully will continue to communicate with everybody and get a good, good job done.
Speaker 5 1:16:11
One more positive thing I haven’t ever heard Billy Joel. So and I was very concerned for to get us that serious went. And property managers employed a great job, I think, I think, claiming to be very positive, because I’ve been in other communities where there’s been a few too many people moving in, or their parents or grandparents stuff like that, but I don’t know if it’s here, I don’t see it. So
Speaker 9 1:16:41
I just like to say one thing about the senior centers contribution to this, because counselors Lhh words. So when there is a problem, a problem tenant, which there have been, you know, somebody who, for example, really needs assisted living and and isn’t it and can’t afford it, they tend to disrupt the the whole floor No, and, and the counseling and other resources systems that the senior center, I think is a really invaluable resource in terms of, of keeping all of that stuff under control, while the property managers find a way to deal with
Unknown Speaker 1:17:27
your sellers are one of our lives we depend on. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Pleasure,
Unknown Speaker 1:17:37
thanks for listening. Thanks for coming back. So I’m gonna take off
Unknown Speaker 1:17:49
I’ll see you tomorrow.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:51
Thank you, Lisa. Thanks so
Unknown Speaker 1:17:55
much. Thanks for the kind words. Thank you.
Speaker 3 1:17:59
Well, please, when you come in the future, you have already explained affordable housing. You will have that heads up the nitty gritty. Thank you.
Speaker 1 1:18:13
I’m going to stick with the current business. Let’s have an update on the Senior Center. Could be your firm, lots to talk about here. All many of you want to lead off?
Speaker 7 1:18:26
Yeah, sure. And they just want to see the division want to go. So I’ll start off talking about our staffing updates on our new hires and kind of some questions that have been circling around the community for some time. So new staff, we have brought on Catherine Ohnaka, as are part time office assistant. So she’s just cleared everything and she’ll be joining us in the next few weeks as well as evening custodian Tommy Gibson. So we will be joining us at the end of the month as well. So that leaves us with two vacant positions currently, which is our Resource Program Supervisor and our resource primary resource program, our recreation program supervisor and our recreation program coordinator position. So Amanda, had put in her two weeks notice resigned her position and her last date was June 23. And Shar Sloane. Her last date will be July 31. So she’s hanging out with us for a little bit. So kind of want to talk to you and I just want to let this be an open conversation as well alone. Anybody have any questions we have because I know this group has done a lot of work. collecting, collecting our data collecting information to go to first was City Council. But then we had the opportunity to meet with Harold and share, share your story, you know, where where we are at as a facility, what rate we’re programming how many participants are registering in our programs. What Our facilities facility attendance numbers look like as well as examining the community, right? What is our current population as a as a long run community, but also our 55 older population as well, and what those projected members have like in the next 510 years. So this group did a lot of work for that presentation to go to Harold, but again, it sounds like there’s still a lot of circulating questions. So I just want to keep this open, and answer any questions and see who wherever we are as a, as an advisory board. But also identifying facts or restriction. What are some of those circulating rumors right now? Because there’s a lot of circulating rumors. And, you know, I feel like this group has a little bit more insight than some others. So with that, where we want to go,
Speaker 1 1:20:52
oh, I don’t know where everybody else wants to go. I listened to the city council meeting last night, first of all, are there any public speakers anybody else was doing last night. And there was one person on anyway, I think the her main point was part of the turnover. A reason for the attorney was workload to some extent, or maybe primarily, but also that there was some promise funding or opposition that never materialized. And maybe that was part of the decision. Alright, as far as I prefer, I don’t think that’s the case. Anyway, if your responsibilities
Speaker 7 1:21:38
started there, and that is not the case, the person that left did not leave because the position was promised to them for support is person this person left, because Exactly. Because their passion was with the blank community, which they left to, for this position for to join us here. realized, that’s where she needed to be. And that’s why she went back. So that was that individual’s reason for leaving. But as for what was promised, you know, since I’ve been here, nobody promised any positions to anybody. One of the circulating rumors is that city council promised her position and pulled it back. Now, that’s never been the case, city councils are not in a position to promise positions to any department. Or they employ. So there’s that piece. What was talked about? Well, as soon as I got here, and this was talked about before I got here, but what I inherited was, we’re going to take a look at our budget, to see if there’s an opportunity for us to fund a three quarter position. And so looking at our budget, there was the idea that there would be money, they’re looking at our previous years, trends, how much money the recreation generated through and how much revenue they generated, and in comparison to what they’re spending. So looking at that, there is a possibility that we could fund this position. So but when we started digging into it, looking closer, the money we’re generating is there, right? But we’re spending more than we have in years past. So again, we’re looking at previous years trends, cost of everything has gone up. And we’ve seen that through groceries through gas, whatever it be. And so we are spending more money than we have historically in the years past, so that money is not there. And I’ll go ahead and turn it over to social.
Speaker 9 1:23:47
So I was gonna say I went through the business analysis. And it’s pretty easy to see how it happened. Because between the pandemic, and the changing of the guard, there, you know, for for three years, or maybe two and a half, because the Senior Center has been open for a while now again, but for three years, the mission of the senior center was quite different than it is today and was before 2019. And, and then, you know, Michelle was an institution, and nobody really questioned the size of the programs versus the size of the staff or anything like that during that time. And then brandy was interim and Ronnie is new and so neither person saw a complete budget cycle end to end. And I don’t know, I mean, I’m outside of it, but it took me fairly it took me several years to really understand what was going on with the budgeting recycle. So there was this time when costs and the ratio of of staff to activities and stuff had time to get out of kilter. When really, it was impossible for anybody to see it. So this is the first time that we’ve had an opportunity to really study the problem and, and get it under control. And I think, you know, because in my role as liaison I’ve been sluicing around and I, you know, running blessedly, the first time, the flaming letter came in, you know, when I started investigating, Ronnie called me back in the evening, which is not a thing city staff typically does, you know, just because they work hard all day. And then they have, you know, their work life boundary. But Ronnie did and explained to me what was really happening. And I really appreciated that. And everybody from Carrollton, Jodie Marsh, who gave a really good explanation of what the staffing things have really been like, you know, everybody is really working hard to get the big picture now, so that we can recover from the staffing disruption, and get the program’s back on track as fast as possible. But I hope that you know, when talking to your friends and colleagues as, as volunteers, you will stress the importance of not exaggerating the problems or making up reasons why this stuff happened. I know it’s really tempting to do that. But there was a lot of that in in Ruth’s speech last night, and I spent a good amount of time fact checking what she said about that, and also fact checking what she said about some of the activities that she belongs to, that were just not not accurate at all.
Speaker 10 1:27:08
And it just shows how important communication with everybody involved is all along the way. Yes. Because I know that Ruth is passionate about this place. And her passion, I’m sure can sometimes, you know, it’s your passion. But if she would have known the facts about the budgeting, then she would have been able to read.
Speaker 7 1:27:39
And I don’t want to discuss any individual, but those who have had questions have had the opportunity to sit down at the table, ask them and be provided facts. Some of those conversations with some of the some of some people in discussed, had those opportunities, and had those facts, and there’s still still some misinformation that’s being provided to the community through these individuals. Yes,
Speaker 3 1:28:10
what can we do to help that? So do
Speaker 7 1:28:13
I think last night was great, and I don’t want to lose sight, because I want to make sure I’m providing our board accurate information. And you know, I think last night, it was a very good start, you know, those passionate people who still have some questions or who fill in some of those responses, that city council, or whoever it be, are still responsible for this decision making or providing these positions, they had an opportunity to air it out. And I think it starts there, because, you know, through our friends board, through conversations with our patrons here, through the work we’ve done as Advisory Board, we’ve done a lot of we’ve had a lot of a lot opportunities to communicate outreach. So yes, we are working with those boards and those individuals, but then they’re going to their own groups as well to communicate out right. So I think we have an opportunity to address it. There’s still some some of those concerns. And I think last time is an opportunity to every now we’ll see where this goes. You know, Harold’s response was was great, you know, in the sense of he identified. I’m 100% aware of what’s going on.
Speaker 1 1:29:21
presentation last night was essentially the second presentation. I wanted to go. I thought it was basically
Speaker 7 1:29:29
it allows people to those who have those concerns, hear directly from city manager. I hear you loud and clear. And I’m very aware but this isn’t the first time I’ve been hearing it right that the work that the Advisory Board has done has identified the issues. Now he’s got to go to the table and make these decisions for the city. They’re just I don’t want that decision. I’m glad it’s not me. Right, but letting him know like he is doing his best to address it with information we are providing and you You know, but again, I don’t want to lose sight of kind of facts of where we’re at. So nothing was promised, we dug in and out of full transparency, right. But anybody that asks, well, okay, well, money’s not there. What are you doing about it? So we identified the difference generating some revenue to recreation, we identified that there’s probably a 4030 to $40,000 difference to fund this position. And so we went to our friends who have friends with one mom who has provided support to some to some staff, staffing positions, addressing some staffing needs to hate your workforce, it doesn’t offshore, can you? Can you help us out with this? And they said, No. And I presented it to two to three different times. And the answer’s no. So it made it clear that their stance is we’re not, we don’t want to provide any support for staffing needs. So we then shifted our attention directly to that presentation at the time was for the council and the opportunity to meet with Harold.
Speaker 1 1:31:03
No, I thought the mayor, and Marsha and Harold all did a really good job responding to the public plasmonic. And they seem satisfied when the group left, couldn’t see the faces or anything. But they’re all very polite. And after they said their face, everybody took off. I think there was no fireworks or anything like that. I thought it was very sedate conversation. And so I think how to address some of the stuff in the future is communication, like you said, we have a number of things, we have a lot of challenges ahead of us, I tell you to kind of address some of those concerns.
Speaker 9 1:31:45
There’s a couple of things. One is I was very proud of the people from the community who had come probably loaded for bear II that even though even including the individual who was the angriest, you know, after hearing the factual analysis, she really restrained herself. And, you know, as as did other folks, and I thought that was excellent. It made it easier for us, for the rest of us to do our jobs and get this the situation under control. So I’m extremely happy about that.
Speaker 10 1:32:29
How many people weren’t there representing the cause
Unknown Speaker 1:32:33
of the five represent? Oh, it’s
Speaker 9 1:32:34
actually I think it’s closer to seven? Well, there were some that didn’t sit together. And then there was that row in the back actors. And they mostly did, they decided not to speak, so that maybe they were just there showing support because they weren’t on Jones list. I also would like to say, you know whether it was Harold’s decision or Jones and Harold’s decision, but it was really smart of them to pull that up before helpling invited to be heard.
Speaker 6 1:33:06
I’d like to not defend, but to make the state as to the passion
Speaker 6 1:33:22
as I have my own passion. And I think that it’s very possible that what people that have invested a lot in the senior center and who have experienced the work that’s been done over the years, and the dedication of the staff. What they’ve experienced in the last year has been heartbreaking at times. And it has created that level of frustration. I know that budgets roll. I know that the way that one goes about resolving issues with the senior center involves and will involve change. And I think that one of the things that may be of benefit is to, you know, allow people to step back and allow change to happen and accept the reality. You know, I was reminded this weekend by a friend who’s known my grieving process, about the alcoholics prayer. And that is, you know, God gives me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. And I am in that position. So I think it will be very important, important. answer people’s questions, be upfront, be really upfront about the future of the scene. Not have that be the big unknown out there, you know, the, the, you know, joining with the rector,
Unknown Speaker 1:36:05
you know, the changes
Speaker 6 1:36:06
that are gonna occur. And to bring people in to support you, that don’t have the history or don’t, aren’t going through the grieving process. That’s going to be important. And I recognize that. And I also recognize the frustration, the pain, and the loss, that every person dedicated to this has felt over the last year, had my friends, it’s grieving process. It’s hard to see the people you love and care about hurting and not knowing how to support them in ways that you really want to. But we all have to accept what was it’s gone and moving on. And that’s the truth.
Speaker 3 1:37:23
You understand that, you know, it’s almost like to be respectfully transparent, right? You never let people know exactly what, you know, their questions, what the answers are to their questions. But in a respectful way, and letting them know, Hey, I know you’re hurting. But here’s what’s really going on giving him an idea that you’re looking to change for the future. You know, you’re looking to figure out problems, and you’re looking to find solutions. And I think that’s gonna go a long way.
Speaker 7 1:37:52
Only thing that’s nothing’s changed, right? The only thing that has changed is new faces in this facility. So the only thing that has changed in this facility, why? Because in seven months, they have not changed anything in here. Do you care to share it with your way you feel
Unknown Speaker 1:38:11
that there is something we need to know about?
Unknown Speaker 1:38:17
Marlon, did you want to say something?
Speaker 3 1:38:19
Well, and this this may be I maybe I interpreted something wrong from all of the readings
Unknown Speaker 1:38:24
that I did. But
Speaker 3 1:38:26
if I don’t understand the friends part of it as far as salary service reporting staff, and if they are not going to support staff anymore after 2024, okay, the impact does that have on your budget? Right.
Speaker 7 1:38:41
So, you know, then they’re focused on more on the individual support for individual supports for paying for new eyeglasses, paying for hearing aid replaces paying for covering bills that that individuals are not able to cover? Right. And I tried to make the case with providing this desk for which they have done in the past, they have done that, and we’re just launching their philosophy. We don’t want to cover staffing anymore. And I don’t disagree. Right. You know, but because it’s been done in the past, and you know, things are moving to get some support. Here’s and the reason why I asked that, and I do agree. The reason why I asked that is instead of those individual supports, I mean, we had over 36,000 individuals sign up for programs last year 36,000. All right. To me and getting a programmer is. So provides individual supports, right? Servicing 36,000 individuals, right. So and I tried that approach and move just what their philosophy is. Don’t want to flood it. I agree. But again, it’s been done in the past. So I was hoping that yeah, oh, yeah. Of course. But reality, though, again, when I was saying that that’s changed. I have not taken positions away. I have not seven months, all I’ve done is make a case to add positions. You brought up a great, great point last night. That’s the last time a position was, I’m sorry, or a resource specialists was requested a budget was in 2020 in 2015. twice in the past eight years, two times. Okay, so I’m inheriting the situation, this need 2015, it was denied. Right. Because of other requests were approved. In 2020. It was denied because it was during the pandemic and a resource specialist. Yeah, a resource specialist was approved. Because of the pandemic, Harold said in his presentation last night, that was the need at the time not or not other recreation program is a resource specialist, that that’s what our seniors needed. So twice in the past that year, eight years, this position was requested.
Unknown Speaker 1:41:02
There’s not much. One more comment on
Speaker 9 1:41:08
Yeah, well, I kind of know staffed up so well, an ending with a with a question for the advisory board for advice. I got a lot of really angry letters that nobody else except in some cases, some other council members, and mostly they wrote to the whole council, because they don’t know who that is on is. But a lot of of anger was expressed that the impact was to the recreational programs, when the whole time I have been in this position. The the urgency was all around the support activities, you know, which which we all think of, I think is essential services, right. So the mental health counseling, the free eyeglasses, the you know, the health referrals of different sorts, and I persist in thinking that those are more important and have to be saved, when there are budget crunches, and that if something has to go, then it has to be the level of recreational offerings in the program. And a number of people were, you know, angry about that. No, they just disagree. You know, this is our whole social life. And yeah, it is it’s, in some cases, someone’s whole social life. But the essential services are can be life and death from for many seniors who are deeply alone. And so I hope we can spread the word about that, that that the senior center is really many cases, just as we heard from the Oh Ha, you know, is a guardian of of the most essential well being of a lot of isolated seniors in farms that has to pass through division. Primary priority, exactly. I was looking for. The other thing that I hope will be said, you know, I was on a trip to Italy, with Theresa for in 2019. You know, and she did an amazing amount of work herding the cats because, you know, I don’t know how many of you who have have been on one of those extended tours, with the senior center, but by keeping everybody together and manage knowing when somebody doesn’t show up, because they got to ciders, the day before and all of that stuff and making sure nobody’s lost, because I was asked about work. And she told me that year that she was retiring next year. And so she hasn’t just extended her retirement by a few months to to get over this hiring death. But because of the extraordinary circumstances that began in 2019, she’s given three extra years, as did Michelle wait. And I understand that those people seem like institutions and there’s a certain amount of grief. That is, well they’re not going to be part of our lives anymore because they’ve left but they’ve done their part and we have to start developing new institutional personalities around here. And and so we have to be gracious about letting them go. And ELAC hope everybody will remember that. So now the Oh, and and all of the financial information and what the budget requests versus legit grants and stuff. It’s hard work. As you know, it took a whole week of many people to get it all together into a five minute discussion. But it’s all a management matter of public record. So anybody can go to the city clerk’s office and say, I want to understand this better. And you can do it. And I know from the levels of skills that all of you have, that you can do it, you know, it’s not going to be there are people in this organization that’s not going to them, you can go and find out. So we can all support our user community in that way, too, by answering questions. And finally, my question is, is one of the options is making some of the least essential programs a little more expensive? Because they’re luxuries? Right? And the people who do those things are the people who can afford that the people who go on the long trips are the people who can afford you suitcases, you know, new our special interests? Yes. And so I, I think that that those people can, can can support this organization in the richness of our programs, especially that apply only to them by paying a little more. And I would like to ask how you all feel about that? Because we have a whole spectrum here. Right, you know, some of you are living in LA J properties, and some of you are living in houses that you own outright? And, you know, it’s dressed beautifully. And, and, you know, you’re a whole spectrum of, of people who are so how do you think that that Liberty received?
Speaker 3 1:47:02
That was one of the things I was was thinking about was, is there a way that we can take a look at the programs and address the cost? You know, maybe a program needs to be a little bit less in order to get people in, but maybe we need to address it, you know,
Speaker 1 1:47:20
this whole discussion leads into the next item on the agenda. And as usual, running way behind. Do you have anything further, you want to add on?
Speaker 7 1:47:29
You know, as for communication, transparency, was mentioned, right. Amanda’s last day was was, was June 23. It hasn’t been a whole month. Right? So was she the person in charge? She was the supervisor. Right? So that’s where transparency, communicating, communicated with our advisory board. And we’ve done this work, right. communicated with our friends form, had open discussions with anybody who has any questions in passing in the hallway, schedule them, and sit down in meetings. And not only not only for that piece of communication, right, getting these positions posted, its positions posted and handling our day to day operations. So the normal things right on top of that, so has it been it’s been a full month. And so you know, I think we’ve with the short amount of time we’ve had, I think we’ve done a really good job communicating it out to anybody who will listen. But still getting the pieces together to have an opportunity to figure out how we want to further addresses with the community. You know, especially we’re having right now with some sort of handout, fact sheet, having a fact sheet to allow us to separate fact from fiction, and being able to send send that information out to, to our staff who has anybody come in the door has these questions. Right, and just to give an opportunity for that transparency, and us to all be on the same page.
Speaker 3 1:49:03
So that’s key. That is key. And can I just say something to when we discussed having a way of communicating using social media, it would be a huge benefit to have some place a platform that you could post those things, so people could go to and so
Speaker 7 1:49:21
we are working on rebuilding our, our Facebook. We do have our website. So of course this this document that we do and we’ll create will be available on our on our Senior Center homepage to the city’s website. We are working on rebuilding our brands, I’m sorry, our friends, I apologize, our Facebook page, but because of the staffing trend, have we’ve not been able to allocate that responsibility to the individual center responsibility to any one individual right now. We’re all that capacity, right? These two hires are big, big hires. And again, we’re still waiting on two additional right that are currently posted. Once we’re fully staffed, and everybody has their feet under a mental Spiel to start looking at those, those platforms, we do have a communications department who we can lean on for different communications through different social media platforms like like, Instagram. So, city, yeah, yeah, they manage that. So
Speaker 3 1:50:22
I would like to tell you that if there’s anything I can do it on to help you talked about this, but just keep in mind, if you need someone to help you out with Southside be happy to do it.
Speaker 7 1:50:32
So the question is, the earlier question is what can we as a board do to help in the space? I think, doing what I’m doing as well, having this and our staff have those individual conversations with anybody has any questions or taking you back to your your, your circle your groups to say, this is what’s going on? That city council meeting is available, if anybody wants to watch Carol did a great presentation, Marsha provided great facts as well. You know, directed to me, you have this information as well, from this conversation of what you can share and, you know, again, just help communicate those facts out as well. Okay.
Speaker 1 1:51:16
All right. I’d like to go to the vegan got everything covered run?
Unknown Speaker 1:51:21
Yeah. I mean, is there any additional questions?
Speaker 1 1:51:28
Yeah, there will be like to move on to goals are running out of time, I got to do a better job of managing time. It’s
Unknown Speaker 1:51:40
easy thing to cut off.
Unknown Speaker 1:51:45
A great job.
Speaker 1 1:51:47
Here’s just my, here’s my vision. That’s about all I got time for today. On the general subject of goals, before you have the ordinance, which creates the board. And we talked about this a couple of times, but I’d like to be this the guiding goal of this advisory board. And if there’s any unless there’s any objection, I’d like to say that this is I mean, this is an ordinance already, that these should be the general goals that we are working towards as a as a board. And you can read through yourself. But we are to establish recommendations and guidelines to review the annual budget to serve as liaison between the board and various groups. And the report annually in writing to the city council. I just paraphrase that as a general idea. I don’t think anybody has gotten the problem with that. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be on this board right now. What I’m thinking is, today, we had a presentation on the housing authority, which was very good. But I think what we need to do, and we talked a little bit about these times, I’m going over this a little bit for the benefit of you, folks. But we need to go over the major services, I think you’re getting out those, for example, transportation might be a good, a good one to go to next. Anyway, go through some of the major areas housing, transportation, resources, mental health, we could we could organize that different ways. And what I’m thinking, Is it to meet the requirement of the ordinance. By May of next year, we should be able to be in a position where we can make fairly specific recommendations to the city council as to how various programs might be increased or decreased changes and operations. You know, I’m just talking I don’t have anything specifically mine, but I think this goes to yours. We what are the more important ones, which are and we talked about that a little bit before our show, I think you were saying is about creation versus the recreational component says basic services in order to meet the basic needs of people that also say like no thanks to staff time. Maybe we should be making specific recommendations and these various areas. And so what I’m hoping is we could go through these major areas, and I haven’t quite thought about this a lot and I haven’t I don’t have a real good grouping. But I know transportation and housing are major issues, mental health issues. So if we go through those, and then what I’d like to see is someone one or two people per topic, taken as their area and you have It was a transportation we were you had responsibility for, anyway, take take responsibility are kind of carrying the load as far as the area. So when we get to the point where we want to make recommendations, you’ll be the kind of the key person as far as pulling information together, making contacts, talking to people and that sort of thing. So that’s just one idea. We can do it different ways. But the endpoint would be by May of next year, really should be in a position where we can take what we’ve heard what we’ve talked about, and put it into specific recommendations for our annual report. What do you think?
Unknown Speaker 1:55:48
Sounds great. Sounds good to me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 1:55:52
That sounds very cool. Timely, did someone know what we’re there when we need to get some value?
Speaker 1 1:56:00
I had hoped to go into more detail on the type of running running out of time. Does anybody feel like they would want to want to be the kind of lead person on housing? Okay, anybody else?
Unknown Speaker 1:56:19
Unknown Speaker 1:56:21
There’s your committee.
Unknown Speaker 1:56:22
There we go.
Speaker 9 1:56:25
Yeah, and pears are right, because otherwise they have trouble eating outside, or
Speaker 1 1:56:32
there’s a, I guess, a city ordinance that you can’t, outside of a meeting. You can’t talk to other people without constituting a meeting unless it’s just to do. So that’s why we’re looking at two different anyway. So when we talked about transportation, the last the same thing, who wants to pick up the load on transportation, look, to go look to you to, for kind of pulling that information together to take the lead. And it was one approach. If it got better ideas, let me know. I think we need to do need to systematically go through all of this stuff, sorted into high priority, low priority, volunteer versus regular staff, those kinds of things that I think
Speaker 9 1:57:31
I’d like to add that over the last, the last four years, the seniors, this advisory board did not review the detailed programming recommendations nor the staffing requests. You know, I think that Michelle would tell us what she was requesting. But there was not really any. There was no advisory activity that came with it. The main function of the board, which I thought was I bragged about always, you know, was that you all went and became feelers and eyes and ears into the other senior related services and activities that were going on, in the Boulder County area. And M brought that information in. But it was the staff, and chiefly Michelle and Brandi who processed all that information that came in and made the decisions. And so and this is an audit decision making board. But giving advice is always important. And so I would like to suggest because that’s all I get to do to the even to the board. Right. But I’d like to suggest that that a specific review of the programs would be you know, an April kind of an activities so that we have time to, to
Speaker 10 1:59:03
put it all together. Yeah. Personally speaking. When I was interviewed for the board. Excuse me. I made it clear that I can serve an advisory capacity. But I am unable to do a lot of background work because of what I’m involved with in my responsibilities, my personal responsibilities. So that’s all I have to say. Oh, we all do. I just wanted to make that clear from the get go.
Speaker 1 1:59:45
I think Ronnie go on, I’ve noticed is I think there’s some confusion. And it’s not your fault. It’s the fault of the system, I think, is a people, apparently on this board. And some of the staff that I’ve talked to don’t seem to think in terms of FTE is, what are they? What are they authorized number of positions in the organization? How are they funded? Whatever number of people, and a time period goes along with that staff. And so I think that that could be clearer, a little clearer. I think that would help some people. I’ve been on the board for two years, and I’m still blown
Speaker 7 2:00:39
away, I think, and I’m sorry, are you saying specifically to requests or
Speaker 1 2:00:45
just to understand the operation orders, where the resources are allocated? And how many people you got killed? And that would be part of our maybe our review.
Speaker 7 2:01:08
All right. Anybody have any? Almost last week last month, we decided that we might, it’s August, but we
Speaker 1 2:01:17
want to do about August. If we have August, or August meeting, that would be in three weeks roughly.
Unknown Speaker 2:01:24
Well, we’re closed that day. And we have a meeting.
Unknown Speaker 2:01:26
So we’d have to either reschedule Oh, well, I thought
Speaker 5 2:01:31
I thought we had talked about we had talked about doing it the second week in my Ramanand or we didn’t do we’re going to discuss it
Speaker 7 2:01:38
today is destiny. Yeah. So those are the two options moving in or escaping the passes? Okay. So
Unknown Speaker 2:01:45
the first Wednesday of August, it’s not, it’s not open. Correct. Okay. So we have to have it the second thing, that earliest right, you have that okay with everybody that’s Wednesday of August 2, a second Wednesday. And your other business.
Speaker 7 2:02:12
Just want to remind everybody know, everyone got the email. We’re doing a viewing here tomorrow, July 12, from 9am to 11am. Showing the sister cities little by little video showing the relationships that’s been established, maybe along the Northern Arapaho kind of segwaying into something I’m working on for. Sr. I’m sorry, nelder exchange with the Northern Arapaho. So we will have similar city staff on site. It’s a great video to watch to see the work, why it’s important and ask them any questions as well. Everybody here is invited to participate. If you are interested, please email server, make sure we have enough seats, we will have enough seats, just making sure that I have enough about when it’ll be in this room right here. And then July 26, this is an agenda item that I inherited when I first started and read inherited it when she was covering is our senior center tour. This was something that was brought up interested the board this board specifically was interested in doing and visiting other centers. So I have arranged during our closure to live from CES that we are going to visit and tour Brighton, Brighton Senior Center, Northland senior center of the year, your senior center, that’s July 26, will be leaving at 8am. And it’s going to be backed by 330. Again, as a sport was interested in doing that, so I’m hoping I get a couple participants. If you are interested in going please let me know we are will be shuttling everybody. We’ll meet here and then we use our vehicles to shuttle and we will literally be provided as well.
Unknown Speaker 2:03:52
Anything else anybody want? One more?
Speaker 6 2:03:56
One more? Believe it or not, was before today’s meeting. I let Dave know this morning that I am going to be resigning from the board. And I think that it would be appropriate that that be effective immediately. It is something that has been well thought out by me. I think it’s important that you know, you have new people, new ideas, new points of view. I just wanted to take the opportunity and I’m sorry, Arlene, we’ve worked in different ways together so but to take the opportunity to let you know how much I’ve enjoyed working with all of you and that it’s emotional for me but I think that it’s Time for new ideas, new faces and to be a part of the change a part of the solution, not a part of our problem. So I wish you all good luck.
Speaker 1 2:05:14
I wish I can talk at Audible and I will continue to try
Speaker 5 2:05:19
it. Yeah, so you’re gonna wait till the end of the year
Speaker 6 2:05:30
to record Yeah, my, my time will not be up in January. So I think it’s, it’s in the best interest and I will always be supportive of the senior center whatever direction you take. And and things change times change priorities change. So
Unknown Speaker 2:06:02
well thank you so much.
Speaker 9 2:06:05
Yeah, I don’t think anybody thinks you were ever part of the problem. No, thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 2:06:13
I turned to some very good things. I don’t know you well, but I’ve heard some very good things about the work and your time on the advisory board. And so thank you,
Speaker 5 2:06:22
thank you for your work. I’ve heard a lot from you. Learned a lot and I appreciate you. Alright guys
Unknown Speaker 2:06:36
well, there’s gonna be
Unknown Speaker 2:06:41
motion. Motion, motion
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