Water Board Meeting – June 2023
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Speaker 1 0:00
Simon follow me in order. Roll call.
Unknown Speaker 0:04
Mr. scavo later,
Unknown Speaker 0:07
badger lane. Davis here
Unknown Speaker 0:09
can use it. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 0:11
Wes Lowry voted
Unknown Speaker 0:14
up right here or suffered.
Unknown Speaker 0:18
Speaker 2 0:19
your other McIntyre is here. We have councilmember Martin here. And then we have some special guests with us.
Unknown Speaker 0:29
Why don’t we start with the new member? Alrighty. Do anybody not know Dan?
Unknown Speaker 0:40
Yes. Congratulations. You’re going back
Speaker 1 0:47
pain reduced. Your free Dan. Well, welcome. Thank you. Congratulations. Comments. No, I’m good. All right. Good. Yeah. Public invited to Beaver. Now we have a couple extra members. So we have dead with a watershed event center. Okay. Okay, great.
Speaker 1 1:25
Let’s go to approval previous month’s meeting minutes. Questions or comments about last month’s minutes? Seeing names or
Unknown Speaker 1:45
Speaker 3 1:51
All in favor, say aye. Aye. All right. All right, Kevin. Sure. You have flown this morning. Lions aspiring CFS, the historic average 464 CFS. Currently it’s a free removal from the segwaying. itself. Rob prices for 6400 foot elevation 16,007 storage. New reservoir is just about full as well. And currently elevation. Which is basically Hall was was amazing.
Unknown Speaker 2:45
So I would assume we’re still getting a fair amount of runoff and the main poll for a lot
Speaker 4 2:56
of questions. I have a question. So how to asbestos we’re not we’re not in danger of over stealing or having overflow their banks instead of spilling
Unknown Speaker 3:14
some issues with Lloyd Macintoshes. That’s been corrected currently, right where we should be.
Unknown Speaker 3:30
Up to the edges are over the
Speaker 3 3:31
banks, right. So all the ditches are shut off the central water
Unknown Speaker 3:44
all right. To be heard.
Speaker 5 3:48
Yes. I would like to introduce our special presentation today. We’re we wanted to focus a little bit today on forest stewardship and a lot of the activities last couple of years. We’ve just ramped up considerably. What’s going on with management of the forests and their soils? Well west of Longmont, both regional scale County, St. Green watershed scale as well as bedrock preserve itself. So we wanted to present both of those. So that’s watershed center basically, is taking the watershed scale, look at forest stewardship, and it’s been extremely helpful. Kind of the cog that’s helped me bring together US Forest Service city of Longmont, Boulder County, private landowners. I mean, it’s extremely difficult to get all the entities into Crosstourer takes on projects, which isn’t really that healthy there. So So like to introduce that bubble with the watershed, Senator, and let her give you a quick presentation on what’s going on, specifically with what we call the same rain forest health partnership. And I say that right? Well, let them talk about that. And then price, we’ll follow up with what’s going on with your welcome to sitting on chairs stand up to prefer.
Speaker 2 5:23
Thanks. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I don’t think I’ve see some familiar faces. But I’m a program manager for the watershed center. And thanks for the intro. I’m here to talk about some of our recent updates to those in kind of formulating in 2019. But our work that’s been going on starting in 2022. And now this year, what we’re really focusing on thinking about the watershed scale, the sacred watershed, and counties. For those that haven’t met us at the watershed center, we are a stakeholder driven nonprofit watershed group. We’ve been around since the early 2000s. And we are situated to think about long term responses to some of the problems and issues we face in our watersheds. So we begin again, the early 2000s, thinking online reclamation, floods in 2013, and fires. Really thinking about the 2020, fire season and recovery and also planning for the next fire. And a lot of the work we do is through the lens of resilience on the environmental scale watershed scale, thinking about the ecology and restoration, and also for communities and incorporating community values, and all the work we do. Our work happens under forming programs, our forests and river programs, I’m thinking about collaborative and integrating science in forestry and river projects. And certainly, we recognize that those two systems that are very deeply connected in our watersheds, and we bridge that by, again, bringing in the best available science and collaboration, and community into the planning and management that we do for these, these different focus areas. This is a wonderful illustration, just demonstrating the diversity from headwaters to plains of the diverse ecosystems, communities, ecosystem values and practices from agriculture, to mining history and all the values we try and incorporate in our projects. As Ken mentioned, we sort of really tried to play that cog and bringing in all these interdisciplinary values and bring them all together in the projects that we’re working on across jurisdictional boundaries and thinking about the landscape scale. So I’ll talk first about the forestry work in the same rainforest Health Partnership. And this this image is sort of was developed by 200 plus stakeholders that participate in the St. greenforest Health Partnership, thinking about existing conditions, and then we’re going to walk through the images that represent what we’re trying to achieve as a collaborative and the different landscape scale projects we’re shooting for. So this image may be a familiar sight to most of you having very dense shading forests existing in Boulder County, and in our watersheds, brought bypass wind management and climate conditions, leaving our watersheds prone to high severity fires that can get into our trees and result in complete mortality of the dense vegetation, leaving the ground prone to erosion with soils that repel water. In the immediate years after high severity fire, we saw just that and the caliber of fire after 2020 This is a photo from some of our monitoring channels transects collecting data on two years post fire. So having impacts not only to the land that was very good self in the homes and communities in that area, but also at a watershed scale the impacts to our rivers and waterways and all the water infrastructure that we have. So with that in mind and knowing the risk we have, and what we’ve experienced in recent history. This is our image of what we’re trying an iteration of what we might be trying to achieve with the collaborative of the sacred forest health partnership. So a horse that looks more natural and prone to fire or that can experience higher and have less severe risks. wildlife that’s adapted to to these forest types, open canopy Meadows. And again, providing and sustaining clean and quality water through our waterways downstream. And one day accommodating fire, whether natural or using fire as a tool to maintain and manage our forests as a naturally sustained fire. And so some of the highlights recent highlights working with the st. green forest health partnership, again, collaborative of 200, plus stakeholders, the city, the county, communities, private landowners and organizations. The watershed Center has played a coordinating role of that group. And we’ve refined the focus area map, integrating community values. So this is the Boulder County Fire shift focus areas, which is a larger, collaborative, and the sacred arts health partnership through our work with our community outreach integrated a lot of more information on the private lands and stitching together private land opportunity where their communities are landowners that are interested in fire mitigation and how we can connect that to county city, federal public lands. And so these are the priority areas and where we have opportunity to kind of put together pieces of the puzzle for landscape scale forest planning, and restoration. Of course, you’re all familiar with the coast swath funds, but the watershed center was a part of securing that funding for forest restoration and planning. And we supported the Forest Service NEPA process in their forestry planning and again, integrating community input and making sure that the those communities that would be impacted at a watershed scale. We’re aware and able to participate in that process. And then go back that slide. Sorry, possible. Oh, sorry about that. No problem. Yeah. You don’t really need a
Speaker 6 12:25
site, but it’s nice. However, the area selected on the southern end of Boulder County or within county boundaries. But clearly in the northern section, there’s some of that going to Limerick county coordinating in some fashion or have some collaboration with county agencies.
Speaker 2 12:41
Yeah, yeah, we are. Yes, there’s a few target communities that were purchasing within those areas and then recording
Speaker 6 12:54
the the ones that are like that, for that particular jurisdiction, we don’t have watches on right. So yes, we agents are in other surrounding communities that have some ability.
Speaker 2 13:06
Yeah, so the there are similar kind of stakeholder led collaborative groups out there that are working in a similar way as we are to participate in coordinated forest restoration planning. And then you know, where those boundaries overlap, we can come out across those boundaries. So. So yeah, we’re still kind of sorting out how that all works, but we’re definitely planning together. So two other components that have also supported the forest health partnership, through community watershed center spearheading a lot of the outreach and tools for community to understand the goals incorporate their own priorities into the planning, held over nine different community meetings and those priority and beyond areas to understand what the private land opportunities could be, and other outreach events. And then through our science work, we’ve expanded our adaptive management process. So the collaborative science and planning to understand where opportunities are where the need is, and also developed the science team, which is a an arm of the sacred ortho or self partnership, developed guidance for forest restoration that can help guide project managers that are implementing projects and kind of have a shared approach and able to have shared goals and monitoring metrics that they might be trying to achieve in different projects based on the area. And so this year, we’re kind of transitioning from a lot of information gathering into planning and project implementation as as a partnership And so that’s really honing in on identifying and prioritizing the projects within those focus areas on that focus area map, continued engagement, workshops, panels and tours. landowner outreach, especially in these project areas where we will be developing plans or scoping areas that might be interested in forest planning, continuing to support support the NEPA process, a project that’s underway, the watershed center is coordinating the Jamestown project, which is over 40 different private homeowner properties. We’re implementing forest fire mitigation, and home hardening protection and also source water protection from James Creek, one being one of the reverse of the headwaters of the same brain. And I wanted to focus in on some updates on our our planning effort, we’re aiming to develop plans for 500 to 1000 acres of private lands that complement and connect or fill in the gaps of the larger planning efforts by our public land managers. So these areas resulting in again, up to 1000 acres of planning. were informed by those community meetings where we learned about landowners interested or groups and communities interested in mill type property plans and projects. Our key areas that we’re focusing on in this effort this year are along the peak to peak priority corridors. So that was really a high priority area identified to kind of capture the impacts of a fire that might be happening in the upper watershed. Raymond Riverside, which is shown one of the plans here, kind of for Hill funds Hill Road, Tosa Valley and communities, North Lyons. And so we’re underway with developing those plans. And and again, complementing work that’s going on. So in this example of green and Riverside, off the map to the left here is a lot of historic US Forest Service, restoration. So again, trying to connect those pieces with private lands to make the cross cross boundary landscape, the scale
Speaker 1 17:40
of the areas you have any idea within the course area, so to speak, is a small, very small percentage. I think it is a small percentage. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 18:05
So that’s where we’re at with our planning. And I wanted to quickly talk about I know we want to focus on forests, but with our river program, and where we’re headed with that thinking about forest planning, areas that might not be feasible to restore or do any work at all, but knowing there’s still risks, and how we can address those risks in our river corridors where we have room to accommodate the impacts of future fire and flooding events thereafter. And so what we’re focusing on in our rivers is restoring sediment catchment zones or large depositional pockets, that in a future flood or post fire scenario, we might have the room for sediment to deposit wanting flows to spread out over a broader floodplain. And these areas are in the transition zones of our watershed or where we’re focusing our planning and project implementation. So kind of similarly with the peak to peak corridor for forests. There’s the transition zone from headwaters into the glacial valleys of that where peak to peak is located. And then we also have the transition zone between our canyon streams out into the high plains. And so the stars here kind of green represents some of the forest projects going on. And there’s of course more than those. And then thinking about how these blue stars these priority areas for rivers can complement or fill in the gaps where forests where it might not be feasible as an outcome of this large scale planning effort. And so just a quick example, or visual of what these projects could look like. This is more of a traditional approach here, where there’s a single thread or maybe a side channel with a In a pretty routine, gradual floodplain. Whereas these types of projects, we implemented one in the foothills of lefthand Creek, where we are incorporating multi threaded channels, diversity of habitat features. And in this case off channel pond, or Beaver Dam, analyze and other off channel features, again to provide the floodplain roughness and an area for the river to move in a flood event to spread out and deposit sediment before heading downstream and impacting downstream communities and water infrastructure. So that’s, that’s my overview, I just wanted to mention that that planning effort for identifying these projects were talking to use wildfire ready watershed funds to really push forward our project implementation and planning for identifying more areas in the watershed alongside all this force planning, and to again, have projects that can complement each other or fill in the gaps with our rivers and forests. And with that, thank you to the city for being excellent partners and collaborators on all of these all the work that we’re doing and that I highlighted today, and I’ll take any questions I’ve got,
Unknown Speaker 21:33
would you consider the forest? I don’t think
Speaker 2 21:36
so I think that image of that first image of the shady dense forests would you call unhealthy or just far off from where it should be naturally because we haven’t had fire in our honor landscape in an area where we should expect it every 30 years. Our forests now are diverted far from what they naturally look like whether it be open meadows and open canopies. So unhealthy meat maybe meeting at high risk of having severe damage and impact so fire situation force
Speaker 1 22:12
was a part of the race project to young before scissor
Speaker 2 22:19
there’s mechanical Yeah, the all the mechanical work would be sitting the forest and there’s there’s guidance on what the ideal metrics you’re trying to achieve. And of course that’s impacted by what kind of scope you’re working on or what the opportunities you might have to really get in there and do that mechanical work but I’m sure price can talk more about but the that exact work that’s happening in button rock to just curious Thank you very much.
Speaker 6 23:15
So yeah, my name is Chris Hadley, I’m the senior watershed Ranger of the gunner reserve met all of you at some point in some context, as a watershed Ranger, our many hats recreation management, public safety emergency response operator been around dam, and you know, but first and foremost is that protection of our drinking water source at health crisis reservoir, which is how all of our forest stewardship work ties into our mission here at sea. Obviously, appreciate you the choir coming to waterboard talking about our mountain watershed but just a quick 30,000 foot overview of some context. bedrock Preserve is home to our primary drinking water source for longer. It’s a 3000 acre approximately forested watershed preserve
Unknown Speaker 24:09
surrounding real price reservoir,
Speaker 6 24:10
dam and bounce the water on the north state or increase or Montana north. Lyons has 16,177 acre feet. As we’ve heard in the water status report. We are spilling currently stuff we are holding them with water. An average year 65% of our drinking water storage were the city of Longmont since the 1960s. And as Jeff did a really great job of setting a context or this watershed is at high risk of wildfire. The area between Allen’s Park mines is perhaps I guess from my perspective that the largest unburned in tech section of Boulder County left after large fires in the 1980s through the 2020s In the, you know, Coal Creek area has a pretty large swath, but really it’s the area between a Owens Park and lions that is, for good reason, the focus the focal point of the same green forest health partnership. One of the focus areas that get shown on her map and first city Longmont, one of our key concerns as it holds a large piece of our infrastructure and highly valuable raw water source. So looking at the Colorado State Forest Service, who we consult with on virtually everything we do up there regarding forests, for officers work, for whatever reason, on the USGS GIS layers, button or opera as for the appropriate name for that, looking at the risk viewer, the state manages the series that high risk moderate is the lowest we really bottomed out at in areas that have been heavily treated or burn paths. But generally, our watershed is at high to highest risk on the state’s risk viewer. When you look at the probability of a burn wood, they look at, I think possible emission sources amount of development in the area. And it’s like that risk is high, the probability is moderate, to high in the general button around the area, and if there is a fire and it’s really a risk and the intensity that I pay attention to as some charge of how you protect this place, the fire intensity is the highest intensity. So really maxing out the scale on potential flame links or plus it’s a very, very high intensity fired word to turn through our mountain watershed. Sitting online obviously takes managing protecting our role our very seriously since 2001. We’ve been engaged in forest stewardship work, formally have other preserves, I’m sure Ken can provide some history and things predate the formal forest stewardship program. But since he doesn’t want we’ve been actively treating acreage around the world Chris reservoir with the three goals and watershed protection and along with those infrastructure protection, ecological health so improving restoring habitat, protecting existing habitat and wildfire risk reduction, to our water and to our human values here and recreation, clean drinking water and community safety surrounding communities and neighborhoods that are in the area. All the work that we do out there is informed by our 2017 Forest Stewardship plan that was drafted in close coordination with Congress state forest service lines out best management practices, established pretty comprehensive baseline forest health data for the standards in been around preserves boundaries and laid out treatment prescriptions based on these best management practices. Basically what is prescribed to do to these standards to make them more resilient to fire and healthcare in terms of habitat. It weighed up priorities based on kind of individually minutes drawn to the haven’t been around. And we’ve really taken and run with that since 2017. This is my standard presentation. So I have a slide here about kind of all how this ties in to climate resiliency since that is how our principles and goals like FMC but really, the big picture is we have a naturally dense forests due to historic land management and very effective suppression fire, while at the same time having due to the impacts of climate change, drier fuels have drier timber, drier understory vegetation, reduced snowpack, more sporadic rain events, things like that, that can lead to more severe fire behavior. So again, since he doesn’t want the country enforce that there, we’ve treated about a third of the Preserve, we’ve leveraged a large amount of grant money to date, we’ve leveraged every $1.4 million, including this year. And we’ll talk a little more about that later. That said, we have potentially recognized the potential for increasing the effectiveness of this program and bring it in line with kind of the most current best practices. That’s kind of alluded to that with a scaling of our work up there. We want to make sure that we’re thinking about landscape scale, working with our neighboring agencies, because fire doesn’t recognize our terrain and boundaries drawn on a map and unfortunately and when What we want to avoid is working with blinders on, or working on a small scale that ultimately is infected when the fire comes through. And then we are tasked with dealing with all the impacts of sedimentation on our watershed infrastructure. So, I was kind of asked to give an update to the board on current projects. We have a lot going on this year. In the past, we wouldn’t be very happy if we treated 20 to 40 acres. This year, we are going to most we’re on track to triora 240 acres. We’ve got multiple projects ongoing at button round, that are leveraging a variety of grant funding sources as well as water utility dollars. The first and oldest project that is not doing is the antelope Park project that began as a conversation between Ken and David Bell and our counterparts civil opinion versus open space about how do we work across boundaries? We have a large boundary with haul ranch. How do we manage that older kind of parks and open space? How do we work across these jurisdictional lines. It took us a couple of years to be able to pull this off and the pandemic didn’t help. But through intergovernmental agreements through a joint RFP, we were able to make this reality. And a little part is funded through Ferber and grant as well as one or utility dollars that we wrote in 2020 was awarded 20.1. And leveraging this year it’s crashed boundary project it tails 20 acres and our fall ranch boundary down here in yellow in the sleeping lion trail area. Working on preserving this meadow complex, that’s great for fire suppression great for habitat, we want to make sure that it doesn’t get overgrown, and then also 22 acres on the north shore of rough price reservoir focusing on places where we could get sedimentation postfire into our water storage. Current status has been is complete on both units. Both of these were machine treatments so machinery thinning trees that were marked by staff and Colorado State Forest Service foresters in line with a document called gr 373, which is very, not the most engaging but very important white paper written by numerous stakeholders, focusing specifically on the northern forest Congress forests and looking at how do we restore them to a more resilient structure. We’re gonna be hauling off logs and good weather conditions and the wood from the antelope Park project will be distributed as free firewood. The logs from other projects will be essentially the same brain store your report used as biomass fuel for both counties coexisting transportation complex and county jail. So we’re finding good public benefit from these forest products. And we’re already in restoration mode. This morning. I was up there at Boulder County Youth Corps working on restoration of the forest floor and animal park area and your Ceylon trail. So we’re already talking a lot in Tibet despite 16 or 17 days in machine shutdowns this year because of our incredibly wet weather. We’ve worked really closely with the watershed center to give an outreach and education campaign to our visitors help educate them on the value of forestry to watershed protection and community safety.
Speaker 6 33:30
We’ve represented long run community meetings and lions. That multiple stakeholder field trip is this Friday had interpretive signage along the sleepy Line Trail and it was further preserved for over a year to bring your tax trail that pop up event recently with Maria from the watershed center and a story map that I’m referring to so obviously a lot of people hold butter app near and dear to their hearts for recreational reasons. We want to help them to understand why we’re doing what we’re doing. And I’d say overall, our feedback has been very, very positive. Very few critical conversations and we always lean into those conversations to have them and they generally turn out on a positive note. Another large project that we’ve got going on just fully funded by postflop Colorado strategic welfare Action Program landscape resilience Investment grant that was awarded to Boulder County administered by Boulder County city of Longmont was one of the partners. We are getting a little bit more than half of the money from that $1 million grant. It’s 132 acre treatment on coke Mountain, which is our western boundary between us and Folsom Gulch. US Forest Service. It’s focused on reducing wildfire risk improving forest health and it is a machine treatment. We’ve repaired roads out to the unit and cuttings in progress now. We marked all this last year and through winter Get ready, make sure that we were able to get the grant grant season we’re looking at this is in addition to the forest health billion originalline shade fuel break between US National Forest, the giant Park area has any recreation was first camping backcountry campaign and recreational shooting. I personally worked at fire there in 2021. That would add to that that is one of the most likely ignition points for our watershed, especially in fall and winter in fire. So that’s an area that we want to help build and suffer against.
Unknown Speaker 35:37
out there with Chainsaw or who’s doing this.
Speaker 6 35:40
Yep, so we’ve got multiple projects going on under the umbrella crosswalk. Not all of it is funded by post office and we have some for everyone like every letter into. But what we were able to achieve through working in Boulder County is the economy of scale. It’s a very tight labor market, there’s a lot of money being poured into God grant money being poured into forest health. What we were able to do by going in with them on Sunday wanted to treat east and west all branch units of orange, which is funded by coasts, well, we did one RFP so we’re competing against each other and we got one very reputable contractor who had a good track record in order to rank and more specifically in Boulder County, so market for streets or contractor that’s doing these three treatments as
Speaker 1 36:31
well, lawn mower county or utilize you no longer involve a selling price to individuals.
Speaker 6 36:40
There’s no real market value for this wood. We’re cutting predominantly small wood trees, there might be instances of getting larger trees in order to preserve clumps and, and stands and older growth from trees. But those will be the exception. So as opposed to like logging, commercial logging, where you’re you’re kind of trying the opposite of age class for small breeds. So the best seats that we could find for it was the biomass and Boulder County this pain hauling costs for North Shore and the mountain because they’re using that for their fuel. The firewood from the animal park is going to be distributed for free for like the cost of a reservation reserving time to access effectively get to the public so low cost or free. So those are our close off projects. We also have a another coastal grant that I wrote personally it was it was awarded this year to coast swap Workforce Development Grant co swag was all stimulus dollars that were taken by the state of Colorado and put to best use as a response to the fires that we’ve been seeing over the last couple of fire seasons. Workforce development grants specifically is a no dollar grant. So the money is paid directly to the entity that we’re partnered with, which is Larimer County Conservation Corps. They are and we’re corps affiliated group that professionally trains and certifies 21 to 25 year olds as Sawyer’s and gives them an entry point into his research career, a diverse group of folks coming from mostly Colorado, but our crew has people from all corners of United States, which is pretty cool and more typical of America. They have four small treatment units at Bagram that are focused on protecting health first reservoir and our infrastructure. And our fire egress is in the event of a fire so get down safely. They started with some defensible space work at the control house at dark and they completed that. And now we’re getting that second entry of on Park and interior the preserve. And then I’ve marked two more units with the State Forest Service for them to treat on either side ranger station. And we’ve been working with the utility company to be two steps ahead of us clearing entries near the utility lines. So we got those corridors nice and clear and Conservation Corps can work on the trees without any danger on powerlines. Other projects and also road and security firm capacity grant that’s going to allow us to purchase some specialized forestry equipment that will improve our capacity to do kind of multiple entry or maintenance, forestry work and house. We’re buying a specific walking attachment for our skid steer into a wood chipper, it will dramatically improve our cost effectiveness of doing this type of work. Currently, I’m having to rent some of this equipment which is very expensive at an hourly or weekly rate. And historically we’ve had a really limited ability to remove wood from the freezer. Just kind of a point if you’re trying to remove fuel from the landscape, which is left a number of log decks just like you’re scattered across the reserve that are pots of fuel that I’m concerned about this will allow us to extract that, bring it to somebody that can use it. Primarily fibroid free viral and distribution. And allow us to work more closely and private property boundaries where there’s less sensitivity about slash treatment and all the branches that are left behind after cutting, we’re able to chip that. Generally speaking, we’re always preparing for the next fire.
Speaker 7 40:23
Is that a standard practice to be chipping that sweat for next to five every Well, I mean, on city property, are you? Yes, I’d say Flash files and doing so files are permanent
Speaker 6 40:39
again, only. Currently, we’ve got three good options for dealing this slash building burned files, which we are doing that’s related. And we’ll talk a little bit about that I still have time. But that’s really the only scalable method for dealing with slash mastication which is basically using a large catchment, our skid steer to ship wood, for lack of better terms, not quite the same as with Jimmy, and then broadcast champion to certain depth, the drawbacks of of chipping or mastication through leaving a certain amount of fuel on the ground, which has an extra firefighting, for restoration of the forest floor, and also the residency time of that during the fire on soil, which can have some sanitation issues if you’re not managing it appropriately. So there’s kind of a different tool for different jobs, best tool for different jobs, and we’re trying to push ourselves to have all options. Our interest staff are all trained and certified as wildland firefighters, we participate in prescribed fire in town. We’ve done initial Tech, I mean, first people on scene or two fires in the last three years, we’ve evacuated button or twice for fires in the last three years. We maintain a high level of readiness and have improved our equipment up there to respond and really hit fire small fires in the bug for they can grow and cause an impact in the watershed. And we’re also working on hardening our structures against fires. On the long term, we’re looking at how do we must effectively leverage grant dollars how do we improve or increase the X acres treaty per year? How do we partner with organizations like Boulder County? Boulder County Sheriff’s Office has its own fire management team in our fire department that serves all boulder theme parks and open space 10s of 1000s of acres in Bullitt County. How do we leverage that expertise to assist us with things like pile green? How can we leverage that to break emergency action plans specifically for button rock? And how do we take advantage of Boulder County’s interest in installing wildfire detection camera at the Preserve all those things are very possible we’re working on and overall agreements to make it possible hospitals. I touched on this, but slash treatment. Poverty is as our most cost effective and scalable option for dealing with the slash. It’s the only way to remove remove fuel from the landscape and have a true impact on the severity fire as it moves through. clutton Rob. We have 300 plus existing piles that button around. It’s also 700 to $1,000 cheaper per acre to build piles. And in some areas, that is the literally the only option. But rapid is very steep topography, we have Cliff bands, steep canyons, steep slopes, we’re going to work in that train. You can’t get in there with traditional forestry equipment like chambers build work. So we’re looking at opportunities to partner with the sheriff’s office that manages all our learning on County Open Space, and looking at how we can function under their leadership to safely and responsibly take care of these files. Make.
Speaker 6 44:09
Sure I point out, I mentioned that we have been very effective at leveraging grants from 2014 to 2021. We’ve learned 6000 $600,000 in grants we secured over $100,000 this year. That gives us that last hit is the option to use some of that funding. We’ve also increased our acreage plan for treatment that took this year up to 240 plus acres. Looking at the cost to the city, the net cost the city it’s pretty cool to see that how much we’re able to live with this grant dollars, dollar dollar for mutual aid dollars to grant dollars. So we’re sitting over nearly $1.5 million fluttered, currently state funding sources
Speaker 8 44:59
as the same Questions? I hate that well in especially hunters, can you return to one of the sites? So it’s like with beginning actually, it’s the one that was basically already.
Unknown Speaker 45:16
Speaker 8 45:19
Yeah. So there was a similar one about severity, etc. But but this is my inactivated. So okay, right. So it’s the lighter coloration, like a moderate risk, for example, it seemed like that kind of coincided with some of the landscape that was under our jurisdiction like, like part of the Preserve, for example. So do you see for example, the projects that you that we have pursued in the last 10 years or something show up as greater as a kind of mitigating factor on this particular screen? Based
Speaker 6 46:07
on what I’m seeing here? I say, Yes, I know that. So we’re currently working in this area. So that further reduce risk, but it’s a second entry to an area that was treated probably about 15 years ago. This area is also south facing, generally prone to less dense forests. However, because of urban land management practices, it doesn’t always hold. But we’re working to take advantage of this lower risk. It’s also more operable this area on the North Shore. So most of what you’re seeing here, this is all in our jurisdiction. Nice, incredibly new buildings. And our settlers on the south side in the north facing train steep, basically, on operable inoperable terrain, which is part of the reason that it’s such high risk. But I would say yes, and the one, if we’re able to function at a higher scale, a greater scale in terms of acreage treated, we should have more discernible impact on risk and experience. That makes sense.
Speaker 8 47:12
Yeah. So So past projects tend to show up as being like, improved or or lesser risk, anticipating a future that these current projects should show up as, as improved.
Speaker 6 47:30
That also depends on how granular State Forest Service data is. And so looking at the entire state, when they’re calculating this, but if it’s fine, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 47:41
And then lastly, this is
Speaker 6 47:49
what I love tears were literally all the time. And part of being here as a resident Ranger of other Absolutely. But it’s something that literally this is my job is is solving this problem of how do we deal with and minimize mitigate risk to our watershed, we’re really lucky to have our headwaters team recommendation will park flow through research and air filter and national forests and come down to an annual reserve. So the risks are in development and, and recreation because we’ve been diligent and one of the recreation impacts is low. But the risk, on the other hand from fire is very high.
Speaker 8 48:30
I think we like meetings like this, we tend to focus so much on the projects that are ongoing, that it’s a good presentation like this is a good opportunity to recognize, have that aha moment that holy cow, there’s so much to do, right? I guess.
Speaker 6 48:50
And the work is never done. In other words, what we’re aiming to do is to make the workload more sustainable, but cutting more aggressive. So we’re better at returning our goals or 15 years back doing it and doing maintenance treatments, you know, kind of coming in and cutting regenerative growth, looking at what is necessary to improve the help of a scan, as opposed to doing small couple of treatments that ultimately don’t have any impact on the virus.
Unknown Speaker 49:26
Again, following up
Speaker 7 49:27
with what Deb said about the cycle prescribed for not necessarily prescribed fire historic, cyclical fires is the city playing or working with or County Forest Service to implement putting fire on the ground and small scale to kind of regenerate that cycle?
Speaker 6 49:50
What we’re looking at now is is doing the problem and or the challenge at hand which would be the piles are moving that fill fill the landscape and the safest way and that we can manage which is in my mind partnering with the sheriff’s office that is already doing that work Riverside open space Hall ranch buildings open space all the county land that that at least are on three sides surrounds our reservoir are already working in that drain and at that elevation and are experts at it. So using taking advantage of their skill set to do that broadcast fire to do our question. Boulder County managing their open spaces one thing that’s been out here and watershed with our gifted lines is a little bit different but kind of need a starting point. And pilot learning is that tool that has led us in the past that were add or hated or introduce
Unknown Speaker 50:55
Unknown Speaker 51:03
and gender additions
Speaker 9 51:14
so there’s one development activity in front of you on traction. That is once at transit Street as a station to four to six acre parcel, those four water rights but there is a quarter inch residential city water taps credit for that tap you applied the locking service for the property. So right now the presently appliances were already part of the policy. And this is this particular project is the concept plan describes about 14 residential lots that they will develop on the east side for industries. That one of the main reasons that are annexing at this point in time, even though the house treat water service, they really think that back to the city sewer water service, and we don’t provide extraterritorial sewer water service in the past that that service. So that’s got to be nervous. But nonetheless, compliance now,
Speaker 8 52:29
how or when did they get extra territorial?
Unknown Speaker 52:32
extra territorial waters?
Unknown Speaker 52:37
What were the circumstances?
Speaker 9 52:39
No, I didn’t go back and do the research. To find the receipt of the TAF, it didn’t provide any additional documentation providing water for paying for that. So our policy speaks to how to calculate that it’s based on the last five years of use. And so their last five years users do stretches over now. The house is in that total use on that this two point, some odd acres is just over three quarters of an acre of water per year. And so yeah, it’s it’s each outside water tap is different. This is an area that’s been surrounded by development for quite a while now.
Unknown Speaker 53:28
Exactly. This is interesting that are devoid of it
Unknown Speaker 53:33
for so long, but it’s right here
Unknown Speaker 53:37
had a number of different
Unknown Speaker 53:40
Unknown Speaker 53:45
Huge slide one.
Speaker 4 53:51
So I had a question about the calculation. Can you walk me through that again, for the tax credit,
Unknown Speaker 53:57
so you use the last five years any reviews?
Speaker 9 54:00
We take the average the the sum of that divided by five gives the average annual so the idea is that’s what they’ve been paying for a minute using as a Rainier. Okay, and so that’s the credibility seat they receive that credit shall not exceed two acre foot. It’ll and it’ll be applied specifically to blogging survivors out. Okay. So you don’t use their previous
Unknown Speaker 54:25
Unknown Speaker 54:30
They provide water for most organizations,
Speaker 9 54:39
not an adaptation. I mean, they’ve already they’re already receiving water service and they have been for a number of years. And the only requirement and annexation is transferred historical water rights and they have no historical water rights. Then they have the existing water tap.
Speaker 1 54:53
So prosper annotation requires mineral is great and
Speaker 5 55:03
The really the long term basis for having a policy is you really won’t use any more water and have an outside water tap or using water will use any more water than say headaches before they have this initial work basically they’ll come in nothing, nothing will change in water you see that? Usually it’s a farmhouse. These become a little more complicated now they’re small, smaller lots, typically larger parts of property or a small farmhouse. These used to like to carve off a lot around the front of the house. And so I am through vote. Small walk in
Speaker 3 55:57
the farmhouse uses the same amount of water as long as they don’t
Unknown Speaker 56:01
do any additional development creating issue. That’s really the reason why
Speaker 1 56:09
is there a developer involved in this? Oh,
Speaker 9 56:14
I know that the owner slash developers have states that I don’t know if they have think again, their purpose is building something they’ve got to get sanitary sewer. No way you’re gonna get sanitary sewer connection the farmer stands out there, I don’t know what their timing is when
Unknown Speaker 56:39
they are in the development stage what their needs water wise
Speaker 9 56:48
they’ll come back to waterboarded with a subdivision plat of whatever size it can be anywhere from the full two plus acres or just a part of it. And then at that time, they’ll have to meet the full deficits related to these annexation and that’ll be river foot parade or less the credit received
Unknown Speaker 57:15
motion to approve this merger Mr Chair.
Unknown Speaker 57:48
Okay, the next item general business. Progress is often.
Unknown Speaker 58:01
Right now and let you know anything you want to add to this lesson. Unfortunately,
Speaker 9 58:07
we were expecting to have some sales data for preparing projects when the gap, Platte River Power Authority is put up the market. We don’t have that this time. I think they had an RFP for offering to sell five units or something like that. Hoping to have that I am participating having that information in September. So that will be once that information becomes available, that’s going to be a bigger effort on this. Then on the other part of it just the linear firming project costs. Again, we’re still waiting for some some of the refiners across here so unfortunately, there’s no other information to give the board is just a change for
Speaker 1 59:01
that project. You know, I mean, you’re not really going to be able to play on cap on the money amount until construction was done. So once I see a
Speaker 5 59:14
no, that’s absolutely correct. Until federal change orders are implemented to the project. We do know there are some we do know there were some additional costs because of the federal loss lawsuit we know there are some additional documented change order request vehicle together now. Northerners kind of unofficially informed us that they were going to do a comprehensive evaluation of those costs. By August August September water will be you know, we do know it’s gonna be up Right now, around $50 million range
Speaker 5 1:00:09
we know that is coming. Wait for the official numbers and artists make a lot of sense. Any costs, we expect to leap forward to some workshop to come up with money? Because there’s sufficient money on
Unknown Speaker 1:00:34
the project right now.
Speaker 5 1:00:38
But we know that’s coming. I think we’ll have a good conversation. Is it time to even though the project’s done, not done? Is it time to start accounting for those costs? Are there additional costs in the future? We should be? I think it was, we’re pretty sure. We should be included in caching calculation.
Speaker 4 1:01:12
Before we don’t do that, are we not going to have few opportunities left to charge a higher fee?
Unknown Speaker 1:01:23
So it’s also true as annexations come, we’ll be charging. We don’t have any work any less. Right away. See over the summer. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:39
Something should be coming up. Soon. Not not over the summer, but washing.
Speaker 7 1:01:59
Staff, how frequent Do you try to update the cash flow? Is it an annual basis every three years or you know, again, depending upon the development pressure, how often do you typically
Unknown Speaker 1:02:12
do an update?
Speaker 9 1:02:14
So the policy speaks to that it’s reviewed at least quarterly. So every three months
Unknown Speaker 1:02:21
Okay, got it
Unknown Speaker 1:02:28
Unknown Speaker 1:02:36
you hope you’re on.
Speaker 2 1:02:52
Hi, everybody, I was supposed to get to see Alaska. Alaska. I’m here today. Just wanted to give you a quick update of our water conservation programs from 2002.
Speaker 2 1:03:12
Alright, so here’s just a graph of our annual meter water consumption and millions gallons. This line going across the top is the total treated water production. So our waste water treatment or water treatment, plant effluents, and then it’s broken down into all of our different customer classes. And the handout that I’m passing out reflects very similar data. So but I’m happy to answer your questions. Um, so some water conservation at a glance, our average residential water use is down 7% Since 2002, and then our gross GCPD is 137 gallons, which is 36% from 2002. And just to remind you all that our our current water efficiency goal is to reduce our demand by 10%. We’re whichever way you look at it, whichever way you slice the pie, we’re either very close we’re way above. So that’s part of what we’re looking at. And we update our efficiency masterclass series, reevaluating our goal and making sure that it reflects not only just market saturation and like natural consumption, but also active conservation. Okay, so here are some of the programs that we were able to accomplish in 2022. So I started in April of 2022. So a lot of this is due to Francie. Oh, q1 is crazy. So as you all know, I’m The Resource Central is like our workhorse, our water conservation program. So we do all of the programs they offer. To do that, since 2002 was the first year that we started our lawn replacement program that was brand new, we didn’t market it at all. And we sold out all of our money in like, a month. And we had a list a waitlist of 40 at the end of the year. So we really upped our budget for this year. But that was a huge success. We didn’t know that was gonna go, we were able to replace 11 lawns. We sold 185, discounted garden losses, we held to waterwise yard seminars in a total of 167 participants. And then we had 170 or so the flow irrigation, assessments residential. Northern Water is our second biggest partner, they work on all of our multifamily and commercial properties. So they did six landscape consultations, two of which were sitting on properties, five irrigation audits on HOAs and large properties, and then to advance irrigation audits, which would be like parks, golf courses, those types of things. So that’s really great. And then efficiency works and pace, those are our rebates, programs. So efficiency works, does our commercial and our residential rebate programs. And then Boulder County pays partners for the environment, they all have like magnets in Boulder County, we get to use that. So they help us out a lot too. They were able to go into 12 businesses in Boulder County, providing that Boulder County and do upgrades and advising, which is great. And then our efficiency works. Really working on that this year, because it wasn’t as successful as I was hoping that it would be. So we offered three, store discounts. Efficiency words has an online store, where folks can buy directly instead of having to apply for rebates. And then we have 39 rebates in total and zero commercial properties. So I’m working on that. Um, but I would say we had a really successful year, like I mentioned, 185 discounts. But we sold 393. So that tells us that even if we don’t discount the gardens, our residents and our community members still love them. So that’s good. We’ll keep increasing those. And we have a lot of participants in our lawn replacement program, over 7000 square feet of turf grass removed. So that’s exciting. Episode 91 participants, so that’s just one of them was 91 participants, the other number 167 is correct. Over two seminars, and then slowly flow we have 169, residential and five large properties. Yeah, this is just reiterating with a little bit more detail, especially in the resource central realm. And then this is just also highlighting that zero personal project that we’re hoping to get at least one this year had a meeting next week. So fingers crossed, we could get it on the boat for plein air. Um, the biggest highlights for us in 2022 was growing Water Smart. We took a team of people from water resources, parks and open spaces planning, which is really integral to learn more about the growing Water Smart mindset. And I know you guys could probably talk to yourself about this, but that’s where we’re going is we’re going to be working on pre emptive water conservation methods instead of retroactive, we’re gonna really start working on our code, we’re going to look at all of our master plans and making sure that they’re aligning that they’re using the same language that they’re using water efficiency. Before we develop education and outreach, I was able to attend several events do a lot of engagement with the public, which I love. And that’s really awesome. So that’s always fun. And we revamped the website to which was awesome. So it’s a lot more user friendly now and a lot easier to find resources that way. I also co hosted to neighborhood leadership’s series meetings featuring irrigation efficiency and low impact, low impact design practices. And then I worked with marketing and communications department to create a water communications plan. So every every department who is doing water so water conservation, we’ve got storm water, water quality and Welcome to Management and knee. And we’re we created an official communication site so that we’re not all doing the same thing. And then lastly, we’re in the education and outreach was really busy, we developed a leak notification process for with our EMR leaders, that’s still happening. But I started making that. And then partnerships and grants, Northern Water provided to advance irrigation audits on Roosevelt, and garden acres, parks. And then they presented some recommendations on turf transitions in those spaces, and some irrigation system efficiencies. So that’s really great. You’re able to our park properties.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:50
What’s the what’s the process by which those recommendations become
Unknown Speaker 1:10:58
for the parks.
Speaker 8 1:10:59
So in other words, like they make a report, you read the report. And you begin the process of communicating with earth and
Speaker 2 1:11:08
space. Yeah, and actually, those are cars. They’re on site with them while they were doing the audit. And while they they actually got all the reports that I had asked them for the report. So it’s it, they have that information. I think eventually as the the state kind of comes out with more and more funding, and I’m going to talk about that, actually, right now is the state as you guys may have heard, have this huge upgrade opportunity for municipalities who have existing turf replacement plans to apply for some funding to do more turf replacement. And a lot of folks decided to kind of pad their existing share of replacement plans. But I decided that we were going to do a city project instead. And so in the future, as more and more of that funding becomes available, we’ll have those reports. And we’ll say, Okay, we already know what we’re going to do. Northern Water told us to do this, here’s the money. And it will be like, as that’s what I’m hoping to have as we’re creating all of these things. So with our efficiency Master Plan update, we’re doing a term transition plan for the grant to do that. And that’s another thing that I can’t wait to have it because it what what I’m running into is there’s a lot of funding available, but we just don’t really know how to spend it. And so I’m like applying for these grants, and then we’re creating projects for that money, when really that’s kind of like putting the horse before the cart, or the cart before the horse. So I wanted to, you know, not do that. And I want to be really intentional clinical on projects moving forward. And so that’s why we’re doing all of these plants. So that when we do have money, we’ll say a word water already gave us this assessment. You guys need money. So here you go. Yeah. So that trip replacement or trip Transition Plan is in the work so we can get city owned property. And then they’re going to do a recommendations report based on kind of metrics, or a matrix of priorities so that when we have money, we can say, Okay, well, this one is in an underserved neighborhood. And it might not save as much water, but it’s a community asset. And we’ll be pollinator gardens, and it’s like adding to the ecosystem. Or if we’re like, we just want to save water, then we’ll do our we’re doing a city code assessment right now. So we have a consulting agency coming in, she’s gonna look at all of our code and our master plan, and the variety of our master plans, our parks and open spaces, and all those types of things. And just kind of highlight ways in which we can change language to be more water efficient. And that will be a long process of meeting my council and, and everybody, all of the plants who are being evaluated or in the loop. So we’re all really excited about that, especially our development code and our legacy code. That’s the one where she’s gonna really deep, deep dive into. I’m still working on those AMR leak notifications. That’s also about that city transition. So as part of our grade water smart group, we’re working on a term transition project at Kensington Park. And we got state funding to do this and it’s really exciting because there’s an art public places mural in Kensington Park and the art in public places department was going to tear out the turf around the mural anyway and put in concrete, and we saw this as an opportunity to collaborate. And so we got state funding to have the turf removed, and we hired more than water who had a Denver Botanic Garden designer on retainer, and they DBG designers going to design a demonstration of sorts for the community members to kind of walk be able to walk through and have better access to the Bureau, and then understand what they can do with their own laws. And so we’re really excited about that. community and neighborhood resources is planning is involved. We’re, we’re goals, parks, obviously. So it’s a really fun project I’m really excited about that is kind of showing the growing watersmart mindset of this collaboration and this interdepartmental working of folks who usually don’t get to work together, like I’ve never worked with our public places before, like water resources that aren’t covered places, probably has never worked together. And now we get to work together on a project. So that’s really exciting. And we’re doing a ton of community outreach, and after throwing huge event, food trucks, and all the things and then we’re implementing community input on how we design the garden. So we’ll have garden specs and like ideas, and then we’ll have a dot matrix vote of who what we will see some very exciting. And then continuing with the education and outreach. I’d like to do, like I mentioned, at least one business projects, commercial project with efficiency works. And then at least one or two, frontline community projects. Like I have a project with Walmart Housing Authority, and maybe having some toilets.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:28
That should be really awesome.
Speaker 7 1:16:30
So that’s my updates. Yes. What’s the status of the water conservation? native gardens sandstone with Colorado was a brain?
Speaker 2 1:16:49
Yes. I just got an email from him today. And they had the bids came in 40% over budget. So it’s happening, they’re ready, we’re ready to start construction. It’s just a matter of getting the budgetary, but water conservation is able to kind of help out a little bit of $40,000, but not 40% $40,000. over budget. So it’s happening. Yeah.
Speaker 4 1:17:17
You didn’t want to talk about AMR detection? Is there a reason for that accuser? Sometimes, the fact that leak detection exists is filtered into the public consciousness. Yeah. So so whenever somebody says has a leak and gets a big bill, they say, Why didn’t you
Speaker 2 1:17:36
tell? Sure. The only reason I don’t my time guys, because they have my existence right now. Because it’s like a lot of manual work. And it’s just like a lot of moving parts, right. So we got a fence for AMI infrastructure. And part of that grant said that we will report how much water we estimate saving based on notifications. Part of that was that we were supposed to have our customer service portal up and running by now. And we don’t, but that doesn’t mean that we get that for our grant report. So it’s
Unknown Speaker 1:18:19
finally the website, sorta,
Speaker 2 1:18:22
I just doing a lot of like manual, like going into accounts and a lot of manual flags with Neptune. And then me estimating like, what I think their weeks might look like. And then typing of letters and sending them via snail mail. Sorry, no, honestly, it’s really great. I’m learning a time where they helped me a lot.
Speaker 10 1:18:48
Because I was an outreach program in a previous life. And I will say, we think it’s good to understand that there are, it can be a lot of work with these programs with not a huge amount of return. In terms of water, I think it is a decent customer service outreach. And there are times that you find really great leaks. vibrated back. So it’s a great way to get five free font families, and that’s, that’s great. But then there’s also a lot of times where you can accidentally sue the customer and use Chase, you can just like hope I’m saying there’s can be staff intensive. And so I think, based on the conversation, we’ve had it, you know, getting that portal prioritize might be really worthwhile because, like, the thing I’m most excited about is the code stuff and code assessment. Like that’s the potential to really change the system wide versus talking to one customer or maybe one customer facing Hey, check your toilet. So every step for that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:19:54
I mean, honestly like I think I think it’s a really good opportunity for me because I’m still new in this role. And I’m new to a utility. And so for me to be able to look at the back end of what folks like water use looks like and what it’s supposed to look like, versus what it looks like when there’s a leak is really valuable. It’s just, it’s not moving as quickly as I would like it to. But welcome to, you know, government, I guess. You know, it’s like, I’m learning a lot, and I’m really excited for the world. Yeah. Any pressure? Yeah, you can look at
Speaker 8 1:20:41
Do we have something that can do 100% build up on beat detection infrastructure?
Speaker 2 1:20:49
Sort of, in that’s kind of like another wrench in the process where it is like, where like 85 to 90% of our community has AMR meters. But we can’t get any more at the moment because of supply chain issues that we’re still seeing in COVID. And then our gateway infrastructure is not complete yet. I don’t I haven’t had any recent updates on where we are with the gateways. But the things that are collecting the data from the meters to send to the to our online things.
Speaker 8 1:21:30
Like Leak Detection compatible. Yeah, Toby has not yet integrated, the leak detection into like, be able to close the loop to return that information to either the utility
Unknown Speaker 1:21:43
or for us.
Speaker 2 1:21:44
Yeah, exactly. And the big missing piece there is that the Mr. meters that are in that exist right now. There’s no way for the meter to connect with the customer directly. Because we’re waiting for a customer service portal, or what is it the CSI customer service, infrastructure, and they’re doing, they’re redoing all of it. And that’s why we’re reading. So water electric, and maybe something else.
Speaker 8 1:22:14
So at some point, in our future, we’ll be able to log in system and look at our daily present customers.
Speaker 2 1:22:20
Exactly. Yes. Still, yeah, we can look at it from the utility side for a lot of them that have the ARB years, but we don’t have it for all of them yet. Right. And the way to define what is pretty once you are back on the backside, and you’re looking Oh, yeah, easily tell the nurse. Yes. But yeah, it’s just a matter of is the weak point one gallon per hour, and or $100 per hour, which in that case, I’ve seen both of those. Either way, both of those leaves are going to initiate a flag in the system. And there’s no way to filter out the size of the week, right now. So yeah. I, you know, at first I was like, I really don’t want to do this, but now that I’m like, really into it, I don’t know.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:33
It’s just kind of curious. water usage
Speaker 2 1:23:45
well, and I can see that on both because I can see their year. And it’s like half if not less than half. I mean, I haven’t turned my sprinklers on. So
Unknown Speaker 1:23:58
is the same as winter.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:00
January, right? Yeah. Okay, any other questions? Thank you
Speaker 1 1:24:13
up the slide of the project, listen to what I was gonna say, can correct me if I’m wrong, but what we’re thinking of reservoir overview.
Speaker 5 1:24:35
We are Yeah, we haven’t scheduled it and because of that, we have to force through to this one. We’re going to do the Colorado River in July in Colorado northern water, scheduled comm for our July meeting, to go over the Colorado River. And then we’ll schedule that August
Unknown Speaker 1:25:02
Unknown Speaker 1:25:09
So we’re not we haven’t forgotten.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:14
Any comments or questions on there? You’ve never seen this before. I’m
Unknown Speaker 1:25:24
familiar with many of those problems.
Speaker 8 1:25:27
Yeah. Questions. So number eight is handle housing. From what I understood anyway, at the most recent city council meeting, there were some new developments about cable housing and the nexus between that and water, water resources. I was just wondering if we should have a discussion about some of those. What is presumably a change to our water policy, about two, three or four acre reduction of that number in regards to Campbell housing plots are so
Speaker 4 1:26:10
so so passion was it is debt is incurred in property as an expense not payable and tools, you know, just write about that. And so, Dr. Waters introduced a motion to consider the idea that if the developments includes a certain percentage of affordable or attainable housing, that is reduced.
Speaker 8 1:26:39
So the fee in lieu of a three acre foot per acre, like walking groundwater policy?
Speaker 4 1:26:45
Yeah, I believe that’s correct. He just wants to minimize the upfront costs.
Speaker 8 1:26:52
Interesting. So is that something that was very common promotable?
Speaker 4 1:26:59
Potentially, yes. I’m not sure that there’s enough. I’m not sure that we have enough data to consider yet. And we had your staff.
Speaker 5 1:27:11
Yeah, we weren’t aware of it. At the last Council meeting, on first reading.
Speaker 4 1:27:18
Right. Yeah. That’s the thing, you know, what Dr. Waters has, has not like the idea that we are raising the family at all, because he feels that it increases the costs of housing. And so he wants to make sure that we don’t burn housing at the lower end too much with that. And, yeah, he introduced it, but I’m not sure how much an ambulance is, or how much, you know, we’re there’s going to be a housing needs assessment. And maybe that will provide information about about what the impact would be, is, but I think planning is going to have to go through and find out or maybe I don’t know, is that you know, what the process is, somebody knows how much the loo is. Pending, right?
Speaker 5 1:28:21
We know, we have a good handle on what property is adding some properties and methods for similar property, how much approximately how much emphasis, we of course, don’t know how much of that will be met by cash in lieu versus how much will be met by historical water
Speaker 4 1:28:44
dose, annexation time, how much it’s gonna be? Well, we
Unknown Speaker 1:28:49
know how much the deficit is
Unknown Speaker 1:28:52
all that they could have
Speaker 5 1:28:54
come in and either pay cash in lieu or shellfish or dogs. Now, on a gross basis, we have an idea of how much non historical water exists out there. And there’s not a whole lot anymore. So we have a good idea as time goes on. In fact, we’re already experiencing this. We’re seeing more cash in lieu than we did in the past because there’s less blood sample water. So certainly be happy to bring that back. And let’s see what those calculations look like. We have that on the GIS basis. It’s really easy to see what we got is where, what what is happening. But then, in the short term, we don’t know that ratio. We pretty much know Say, Hey, there’s this much non historical out there, all the rest of the
Speaker 4 1:30:04
non historical water is getting, I assume is getting more and more expensive as it gets rarer and rarer to be able to pick up right.
Speaker 5 1:30:12
It kind of tracks caption. When we raise caption and it goes up, it’s always in the 60 to 90% of cash and it always has to trail cash removed, because I just like to check the loved one.
Unknown Speaker 1:30:35
So yeah, cash.
Speaker 5 1:30:44
caching. So yeah, we’ll be happy to provide. We’ll try to get Yes. A little surprising to people try to get communication and proposal from our department policy.
Unknown Speaker 1:31:15
Speaker 9 1:31:19
Martin just went to to Tuesday labels organism first reading,
Speaker 8 1:31:25
to modify the language and by just the policy. Yeah, it’s really it outlines a rebate program that was intended, I believe, to follow the affordable
Unknown Speaker 1:31:39
skilled interior language.
Speaker 9 1:31:41
I think maybe what you were referring to before is a we have identified a certain amount of raw water that currently hold the that could be applied to affordable housing. So there’s a pool. So the city and Wildwater portfolio is whole city.
Speaker 8 1:32:04
But I also understand that there’s a lot more coming to the city council for attainable housing. This will help on second reading. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:32:14
And this is kind of an interim
Speaker 4 1:32:17
condition. That’s right. And mostly because of error. So yeah, yeah, there’s more stuff in terms of yeah, thanks for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 8 1:32:38
I believe that the intent is in the future to take this out of law, our policy code, put it in ICO. Which does.
Unknown Speaker 1:32:55
Speaker 8 1:33:01
part of it, a follow up? Inquiry. I’m not terribly certainly following all that, because it’s a lot of municipal discussion there, of course. That’s fine. I just want to make sure that the speaking for myself at least, it’d be great to have an opportunity to comment on things that relate to water and water policy. Board. So there was a discussion there about kind of second read, and I don’t know exactly where in the overall process that that was. But for example, before there’s a vote and becomes an official thing, maybe we have an opportunity
Speaker 4 1:33:44
to take a look. Yeah, and I think that would happen again, this the this one that we just considered was kind of a patch to existing code. That frankly, I forgotten about and I was jumping ahead to the larger reworkings. And so the process is there’s a first reading that allows the public to become aware of what the coaching is going to be, then there is a public hearing at the second reading before the council grows normally, on anything that was really a major policy change, the board would review the policies before it came to first reading. This was a quick patch,
Speaker 8 1:34:31
but will we have an opportunity to have a look at it even for a second meeting if it happens at the next city council meeting? Well,
Speaker 4 1:34:39
you need this patch. You’re asking about it specifically.
Speaker 8 1:34:46
Maybe I’m not entirely certain. But I’m also familiar with sometimes the patch becomes the role or because it because that’s the
Speaker 4 1:34:59
thing That’s a second first reading last Council meeting will come up again for second reading in July. Because there are two Council on Fourth of July is a Tuesday and CML is this upcoming Tuesday tomorrow. So there’s two weeks without a council meeting. In the next week, there will be a council meeting. And that’s when the second reading will be there. And you will have the three to five business days for the council to see what’s on the council agenda, even look back and see what was on the second reading because nobody proposed any amendments. So you can comment at the public hearing. And, and are free for me as an individual I suppose that’s
Speaker 8 1:36:02
I guess. I feel like my, my, I feel like the what the comment from the board is more impactful than a comment from the Public Citizen. That’s certainly true. And so I do feel like the board would have an opportunity to review and and think about consider things that have to do with water before they
Speaker 4 1:36:34
go. Public and I agree and the and the rework, which is a major policy change. I’m sure that will happen. Again, this was really they corrected and oversight with this. board. Okay.
Speaker 1 1:37:01
Just informational items. I want to cover something with the board. We have position. The board position expired, the term expires of mine did away. Then you bring on another member or reappointed, existing and removed. We have an officer, our Vice Chair, Board member left. So we have an open for the vice chair and we should do elections the annual members coming in so that I think the bylaws say that should be done in August is that again
Speaker 5 1:37:43
That’s correct. Yeah. Around around 2017 board manager bylaws to set the August meeting to partially because we all boards used to be January 1 to December 31. Really made selection process jammed up once a year to do was split half the orders go into center and have to work someone on board one of the incomes in the summer zero remember right they’re a little concerned with all the board selection process done in time for an annual meeting in July. So the same stuff. August so we are right now the boards are called the board year. Especially Chairman chair and vice chair August through July so yeah,
Speaker 1 1:38:52
well my point is we don’t have a vice chair but rather deal with the vice chair before the annual thing I’m my suggestion is when we get to August me we have an election of chair and vice chair. Fill that out. Somebody’s got some objections I propose we do that. So that’s all I want to say is smart deciding. Those officers will just use the August August meeting to do so. Other than that, we saw the items scheduled for future board games will cash and luminance data ask the question that shows cache lose March June September December that secure quarterly discussion and discuss future waterboard agendas. Any other comments can as far as what might be coming up for us?
Unknown Speaker 1:39:47
I don’t have any.
Speaker 1 1:39:50
Before we close anybody have any other comments at all?
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