Library Advisory Board Meeting – April 2023

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Library Advisory Board Meeting – April 2023

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Speaker 1 0:00
First Google agenda for last minute meetings. Sorry, what are your?

Unknown Speaker 0:08
I’m gonna leave it running

Speaker 1 0:09
just, yeah, somebody jumps in. Yeah. Well, they could speak though. Great. So with this new agenda order, y’all help me remember roll call, obviously, you have to secure approval the agenda. Any actions need to be taken on that one at this time? Or is that just approved? Sounds good. Pom, federal. So onto approval of previous month’s minutes. And any corrections that anyone sees, either, hey, we’re gonna motion to approve motion builder, we have a second mode with all the third motion paths, and let’s go ahead and sign.

Unknown Speaker 1:13
up because Rogers agenda,

Speaker 1 1:23
there were so few business items that I felt necessary to put on this. In let’s move on mental business. So two items both follows from last time, I was thinking the first one would involve more discussion. But I’m not sure if that’s going to be the case at this point. So this is following up from the city’s culture and recreation initiative. And which I now know is an updated name. I’m curious to get started, how many of us are able This is a question about any judgment just to know where we’re at. I was able to, to watch the recording, and I believe Mark was able to attend in person, how many of us are able to be really will see their watcher? Okay, I’m gonna try and give a brief summary that and Mark, please jump in. John, also, please jump in. So basically, within each of these segments, few questions asked. The, in some ways, the responses for the library for a new branch library had the highest number of results. And in some ways, no, because they were looking at both the results that came over text. And that came that came through other ways, which I’m assuming met online. There were really a couple of items from my understanding that kind of rose to the top of that survey, the library being one of them. But the consultant did share that is, I guess, the best practice that results should reach at least 60% approving on this type of survey before being brought to a ballot measure. One result, the library branch was right at 60%. Otherwise, there was not that threshold was not met by the respondents. There was support for the ballot questions to be asked individually rather as a whole. They also shared some of the demographic results, it seemed that actually the voters in the age group 18 to 44, were more likely to support most of the measures. And this isn’t like relevant to us. I just found it interesting. Those groups it lived in the city less than 10 years. There was also some survey text responses sharing that now’s not the time to raise taxes. There’s high public turnout in support. It sounded like a public environment heard I did not hear that part for the arts and entertainment center support. There was discussion about the need for campaigns, strong marketing campaigns intended to get out the vote information on either of these measures. It sounded like that’s coming out of the sale proposal, previous proposal for the ice pool.

Speaker 1 4:32
There is a desire for more services in my format. The question was raised how many valid issues is a good idea to the counselor to the consulting group that put out the survey. They’re saying that three or four is not outrageous, probably

Unknown Speaker 4:46
only 10.

Speaker 1 4:50
There was discussion at the end about the what the role of an advisory board can be which I think pertain to us directly in this campaign. We cannot, we cannot campaign for this as a board, of course individually because our own time but we can basically share with the council and this is the question I want to raise it a little bit after give it a little time to discuss if we want to pass any proposals, you can share with city council that we think that should be honored if it should not be. But we are not able to basically use this group in order to, to campaign from, if that makes sense. I actually, if we do decide we want to make a statement, I do have some draft language I want to share with you all. I was a little disappointed from my watching of this. One of the things that seemed that came out of it was the desire for more serving. So there was a response from counsel to staff their questions from staff to counsel on if if more survey needed to be done. I guess based on his lower response, it seems to me like reading between the lines, at least from my understanding there is the presidency about this being a off year, and the lower turnout for this year. So I’d love to hear from Mark and John, what I missed over that really brief summary. And then I’m hoping that we can discuss what we as a board if we do think this is an appropriate time to share our thoughts with counsel and so that those thoughts would be

Speaker 2 6:35
well, my two cents on you. I appreciate you doing that, because it helped me recall some of the things that were said during the presentations. I agree, I think counsel had trouble figuring out what they should ask for what they should what, what was too big and ask to get something successfully passed. That’s why I think when you commented on additional surveying, I think they were trying to figure all that out is you know, what is an acceptable number to go to the public concerning additional funding and comedy initiatives. But on the ballot, which you mentioned, the thing that came up a couple of times from Council during the comments that they made is, is I thought that that they appreciated the cultural center, they’re backing their initiative. But we’re hopeful that other groups, not just stars, but other groups would have been there also expressing support, because in my mind listening to the talk, and I’ll talk a little bit more on this in a minute. For them, it’s it’s, in large part a political exercise. And they’re trying to manage the politics of this as well as the funding of why that’s the case topic of Apple see was was kicked around quite a bit. And there were several one council that were looking for citizens support citizen advocacy for whatever institution that they were desirous of seeing have more funding. One of the things that concern me during that conversation was it sounded like they were only relying on citizens advocacy. And it kind of made me a little mad because they were gonna vote if council was going to vote to have something on the ballot. I think they had responsibility for advocating for it on your own. And it sounded from the political standpoint that if if the public wasn’t supportive of the tax initiative that they were looking for a way to back out, you know, that they didn’t want to have their political capitals wandering on a proposal that the senator says for the support, and I understand her political enemies, but that just bothered me.

Unknown Speaker 9:38
At the end,

Speaker 2 9:41
as you pointed out, liberal weighed in and said that the advisory boards couldn’t function in that advocacy role, which really surprised, really surprised, and I would I’m wondering whether there’s some Whether you appeal that or whether that’s definitive.

Speaker 3 10:09
I mean, I would hazard that we can’t, because we essentially were organized under the city house, we serve at their pleasure. In other words, whereas, you know, friends of the library, or 501, c four want to be advantages to being five, four versus a pregnancy three, as I understand it, can campaign and take a political decision, you can lobby independent from whatever organizations are organized to support? I don’t think.

Speaker 2 10:47
Okay, so. So taking that argument, I would say, you know, one of the, one of the things this board can do is presented its opinion. So if, if in that process of presenting its opinion to city council, we lay out a strong statement one way or the other on whatever issue and say, This is our strong opinion. I don’t know why you can’t go back after the fact and say, you know, as a group, the advisory committee took this position based on the facts that we had in front of us, without net necessarily being over political. But if it comes to a political conundrum, no, we’re still citizens. And you can still take positions, it’s

Speaker 3 11:45
true, the fine line to me is that we probably couldn’t go out and visibly under the umbrella of the board, knock on doors, collect signatures on a petition, handout, informational pamphlets that are exclusive to this particular initiative.

Unknown Speaker 12:07
That’s correct as a board as

Speaker 2 12:12
a board, but I think you can probably go knock on those doors and say, this is an important issue. And I know a little bit about it, because I happen to be on the advisory board. I’m doing this as a citizen.

Speaker 4 12:28
It’s, it’s, it’s great. But it’s yeah, it’s the same gray area that staff have. So I can do the same thing as long as it’s done on the worktop. But what does that mean for me? Right? Like, I mean, what, like, right now it’s work time. But most time, you could argue, some nights or weekends is not so I could certainly get out there and campaign on my own time. So, to me, the same thing would apply to board members, as long as it’s on your own time, and not as a representative of the board. But just as a citizen of longer.

Speaker 1 13:05
I don’t say to that, I interpreted that to also mean that you couldn’t organize within this space that like if I happen to meet up with Mark while you’re out, that would be different than us saying that within, you know, this type of meeting. But we could ask for clarification. I was gonna

Speaker 5 13:25
ask as we go a resource for us because I I don’t have a law background. So I’m not really sure like where, like it might help if we can see kind of what they’re pulling from or what what they’re basing it off of, I guess because I hear what you’re saying. But I’m not really sure where that line is, I guess.

Speaker 2 13:44
I think it would be helpful to know where that one is because by legal statement in that meeting, they’ve essentially wiped out the largest potential advocacy groups for this and it not just us, but any of the boards. But at the same time council was making statements to the fact that gee, we hope people will be out there advocating and in some respects, they were looking to the advocacy board to provide the manpower to do that. And it would be just nice to know where they split that air

Unknown Speaker 14:25
anything that’s new to get clarification on

Unknown Speaker 14:29
yeah

Speaker 3 14:32
it’s not it’s definitely not in our bylaws. I don’t remember seeing anything

Speaker 2 14:35
I don’t think my recollection was ever was a topic historically.

Unknown Speaker 14:52
racist

Unknown Speaker 14:58
but it

Speaker 2 15:01
We can we can certainly as a board, we can certainly pass resolutions and put it out for and talk in front of culturalism advisory body but well, it still makes it difficult thanks. It kind of give my interpretation of what was happening in the meeting was there were a lot of cross currents. There was there was this desire to have a ground up advocacy initiative for whatever needed to the ballot or helped make it to the ballot. But at the same time the political side of life for for counsel was that they wanted, they wanted a backdoor and kids is skin workout they wanted.

Speaker 1 16:02
To me, it seemed to me that the a nice feeling burned. Like really changed. Well, maybe not changed, but impacted how this has been with that. What was the first full and ice measure like to it was two years ago. There’s a fair amount put into it. And it did not It felt pretty, very pretty, like

Speaker 3 16:25
a clarifying question about something that you said about your questions about the responses, like maybe we should do some more surveying? Because we weren’t Council wasn’t satisfied with the responses was that the number of responses or the nature of the responses that didn’t feel complete? To them?

Speaker 1 16:51
I’m trying to divert my sense was that there was there wanting to do that there was a desire for more specificity as to be in terms of, I mean, a better sense of for people, I would vote for the entertaining, or the entertainment Art Center, but not for the library or for the library, but not for all these other improvements. So they wanted to be able to, to like pick, be able to pick up the data a little bit more. And that it seems like a desire for a greater

Speaker 4 17:21
number of responses. And so I mean, why, yeah, my recollection of that was about like, refining. Okay, so here’s things that clearly were like not pulling well. So let’s take the stuff that did, and really refine it and try to get a sense of that. But I just, I don’t know that there. There really is going to be another survey

Speaker 2 17:44
seen from my interpretation, since nothing pulled high enough to guarantee success, yet they were trying to find different combinations of initiatives that might generate that level of support. And that’s why they might be why they wanted to do additional Affirmative.

Speaker 3 18:08
Yeah, I would pursue a different method. At this point. If I wanted additional information, I could not survey again, a lot of background in building administering analyzing survey data. And if you didn’t get it, the first time out, you’re not going to get a better response. The second that’s just my experience.

Speaker 1 18:34
At the end of the series, he was committed to the idea. A big group that did this survey. Magellan? So I think I think really, the question for that for us right now is what statement, if any, do we want to meet to counsel? That is what I see is our course of action in this moment, but I’d be interested to hear from everyone else. Are we missing anything in terms of next steps for this group? Am I deceiving? You there was some comments about that, at the end of this meeting as well. I’m trying to remember from who they were frontman to but in terms of it, and a need to reach out to the advisory boards. So hopefully, communications that is that came up.

Unknown Speaker 19:40
But

Speaker 2 19:41
just as a thought, right, that there’s probably a couple of ways to go. And I’m not I’m not sure where their heads are at right now. But I think it would be fair for us to just I’ll reiterate the position that we already put in front of them, that this is what we think is required that the feasibility study that identified concerns and that we feel it’s in the best interest of the community to address those concerns. And if the city is is, I’m going to say this in a partial fashion. Probably shouldn’t be. But the city is not willing to address that challenge. And we think it should probably be addressed to the District Library or some other supporting

Speaker 1 20:46
Mark speaks. Well, so I have some language drafted that just to that I would love to share with you all, which, but I do know, we need to have a motion. In fact, we support putting that we want to share with the council that we support the inclusion of a ballot measure for library branch on the November 2023 ballot. So it seems to me that the best order would be to decide do in fact support that. And if so, then what do we want to share with counsel surrounding that?

Speaker 2 21:21
Well, I think you have to go back and counsel based on the strong words, they said last time that they didn’t feel there was support from we’re going to organizations other than those supporting the cultural gap initiative. I think we have to say they were raising our into how we do that, I guess can be defended. But I think I think we really have to do the thing that not sure about is Gino wetness makes the next council meeting, you know, where we would target a we do a public review?

Unknown Speaker 22:05
Probably the money.

Unknown Speaker 22:11
I told you I mean, I don’t know,

Unknown Speaker 22:14
I would have been great.

Speaker 4 22:17
Yeah, I know. That’s, that’s where his knowledge that I don’t have.

Unknown Speaker 22:22
But I feel like

Unknown Speaker 22:25
you. I mean, well,

Unknown Speaker 22:29
you can do it any time. Sure. You can,

Speaker 4 22:32
yeah, should do. Really. I mean, I mean, given what they were expressing with the performing arts advocates being there. I think any meeting where library supporters are standing in front of the microphone, saying this is an absolute essential thing for the city to have a new library and an essential level of serve a preferred level of service as identified in the feasibility study. That can be the next meeting and the meeting after the meeting after I mean, that’s that’s what I was hearing for the council to it’s like, stand in front of me and tell me how important this is.

Speaker 1 23:07
Yeah, I find that I agree. And I am fully for as sending a statement to council and then I can go to the next meeting and be that person, very public invited to be heard, and so much frustrated by that, because the directions you’ve been given the Hartford Council, based on the city website, are to have either the chair or the staff liaison communicate before it’s because I used to counsel and I know we’ve used to be public right to be heard before to success. But I feel like if that is an expectation

Speaker 2 23:44
that she can see no censorship to me,

Speaker 1 23:48
but yeah, I so. So I am in agreement with all of that. So let’s I guess first if it sounds good, then I think we need to figure out what what type of statement we want to say. And then maybe we can figure out what we want to say the next meeting. Does that sound good?

Speaker 2 24:05
Sure. But don’t don’t limit yourself or the group. I mean, you we can draft a project positions. Yeah. And it can be sent to council, the mayor and council and city management. I mean, you can do that. Yeah. And then it can also be taught to counseling.

Speaker 1 24:26
Yeah. And we need to do both. I mean, I that’s what I see. Is that make sense to you, Mark? Yeah.

Speaker 3 24:36
I’m, I’m thinking of of wording because what I’m thinking that what I would want to say if this is in fact true, is that having a ballot measure in 2023 November is perhaps the best if not only way to We grow the city’s library within the constellation of all these other city managed departments, the museum, the Rec Center, all of it. If that’s not going to fly, then I don’t I don’t see how it’s happening. Well, I don’t think it would be within the city. Right? Right. But so so in, in a way the council, not the council making it a little bit more challenging to get this on the ballot, needing to be convinced further,

Unknown Speaker 25:46
it

Speaker 3 25:50
is going to paint us into a corner, which may or may not be what individuals want, but

Speaker 2 25:56
exactly what they want. I mean, you can run out of time, this is hard. This is this is overly harsh. But, you know, if if it’s happened, this is my perception Council has all these competing needs, and everybody’s willing to bubble up their needs. And city staff solution is to try and put together some dense number of initiatives to satisfy those concerned for the citizenry. But if it’s really not expected to go, I mean, they really don’t think people are gonna vote for it. They can just run off the clock, because they can do addition of surveying the late taking a public delay writing to validate the language to the point where even if he wanted to have a date for it, that the difficulty because the time left to touch all the bases is so small, that he get a chance of success successes, pretty small.

Speaker 3 27:11
But they must know that the next most appealing option would be for us to pursue another district.

Speaker 1 27:17
Well, I mean, just to be sorry, just to just to clarify that the citizens group

Speaker 4 27:22
would be personally at the start. I don’t think this wouldn’t be the board.

Unknown Speaker 27:25
Right? It would not be this.

Speaker 6 27:27
Right. It would be a citizen or committee. Yeah. Right.

Unknown Speaker 27:30
Suppose there’s a citizen, there’s a subcategory. Okay,

Speaker 3 27:35
but they they must have an inkling that that is a potential step,

Unknown Speaker 27:42
which always Yeah.

Speaker 3 27:48
I would imagine that the council would want to keep the library within the city’s curfew, necessarily.

Speaker 2 28:00
I think their preference would be, you know, based on what I’ve heard over the years, I can do a preference for two or three big reasons, I think that they’d like to do that. And it had there not been an effort to try and create alternative funding options for the library. I don’t think the library would have popped up this issue needs to receive additional funding, your predecessors will struggle to get the money. And things like the branch slot never bubbled up. Nobody ever made it.

Unknown Speaker 28:51
So do you have any insurance? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 29:01
Are you in the session or?

Speaker 1 29:02
No, no, I just say connect and share my screen. Yeah, yeah, that’d be alright. I can join the session that easier

Speaker 4 29:11
and share that way. My only thing was if if Susie ended up joining on still Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 29:17
Yeah, that makes sense. Actually, I want this.

Speaker 2 29:19
I wish Susie was here. And because of faith because of the good they have earned.

Speaker 4 29:26
what Jeff said is that she was going to be late. Do you have an interesting because we

Unknown Speaker 29:36
might be overreacting to what I wonder reactive,

Speaker 1 29:40
or you’re reacting similarly to how I reacted and I can ever react to things. So this is some language that I that I drafted. This is very much just a draft. Just wanted to start getting some ideas on paper to share with you all just a

Unknown Speaker 29:57
little bit. In

Unknown Speaker 30:05
other words on the screen you

Unknown Speaker 30:05
can

Unknown Speaker 30:14
switch

Unknown Speaker 30:22
same problems all day today. I was just really glad it wasn’t that moment earlier

Speaker 1 30:37
I was okay, well, let’s go ahead and here we go. So, once again, draft, these are my thoughts. Were Let’s tear it apart, come up with somebody a statement that we can share with council and then either to be shared and exploited, right to be heard, or something similar can be. And that is, of course, speculative, that second sentence

Speaker 1 31:13
the organized opposition, I’ll share that came up in the mean, as well, they wanted to be careful not to support all the measures that would have organized opposition.

Speaker 3 31:21
I understand that. I liked this. So the disadvantage to not having it on the ballot is is political. Right, from the from counsels perspective, it would have to be a political one. Because Logically, if you put it on the ballot, and somebody didn’t agree with it, they don’t go for it.

Speaker 1 31:51
Yeah, I think that there’s I think they’re wanting to try my my guess is that it’s more of which ballot measures

Speaker 3 32:01
oddities wanting to crowded with like 20 different things, but

Unknown Speaker 32:12
Well, I would get some comments about if

Speaker 2 32:22
this, these words, have some comments back. If the city is unable to address this means that it should put a District Library by the citizens.

Speaker 1 32:41
So maybe, maybe, so we can bring it back to the feasibility study with that right up. So he and I have to get the credit, they definitely study feasibility study in here, the feasibility shared

Unknown Speaker 32:55
those multiple options.

Speaker 3 33:08
I was thinking that, too, and wondering, like, it sounds too, too aggressive, to say, you know, if, if this is the basically, if this doesn’t make it onto a ballot, then we would interpret that as you know, the city just not being interested in funding at this level, either through taxes or

Speaker 1 33:35
other means. And I’m just trying to think of like, mice, myself individually, what my own personal opinion is, and then what the scope of this board’s charges and how to,

Unknown Speaker 33:49
to balance those as well.

Speaker 1 33:52
So be sure if the funding options, one of which was that at a District Library, at that time, this board didn’t make a statement that out of the options for the District Library. seemed most appropriate. Some of you might want to refer back to that statement as well.

Speaker 2 34:09
Again, this needs wordsmith but the overall the overall situation is if this initiative doesn’t provide the funding for the library that it needs, then what’s next? I mean, really, I mean, so what are they saying is the next step that this doesn’t provide that funding? Are they saying that the library doesn’t get funded? Or are they saying that they’re open to funding through another initiative? I mean, they really, it’s, it’s like an unset said, what happens now?

Speaker 3 34:52
Because if we are the only initiative that approach the 60% threshold of support, and

Speaker 1 34:59
does that favorite. This is my understanding that

Unknown Speaker 35:04
that’s what i i hear.

Speaker 4 35:07
Yes, that’s the way that’s the way I interpreted that. There was no weather.

Unknown Speaker 35:15
So that doesn’t feel suspicion. This initiative on the ballot

Speaker 2 35:24
there was 27% Definitely voted yes. And 29% probably look up. Yes. So that 76% It’s

Unknown Speaker 35:37
approaching frozen.

Speaker 3 35:41
My point is, is that it was higher, favorable responses than the other initiatives. Yeah. And it’s, that’s not convincing. Then what initiatives would be condensing

Unknown Speaker 35:54
unit score enhancements

Unknown Speaker 35:58
to drive Creek Park.

Speaker 5 36:03
For sentence keeping, can keep the content but I wouldn’t need with a strong public library and then you can feel like particularly as an author transactional space was reversed.

Speaker 1 36:18
That’s fun. I always like to hammer that point, because it just, of course, I believe that, like parts in so many other spaces are foundational, but I mean, libraries are non transactional, and they’re the only indoor space not tricky to feed. We talk a lot about equity.

Speaker 4 36:38
If you don’t mind, uh, yeah. employee opinion? I would, I would substitute foundational for a central. Yes.

Speaker 1 36:49
Yeah, this is to see if anyone is on Google Docs and wants to get in here and edit directly. That would be just fine with me.

Unknown Speaker 37:07
People can disagree with that. But it’s

Speaker 4 37:10
something that really came through during the pandemic. Yes. And I was the librarian pushing on. Essential. Yes. So it’s fire police skills. So why

Unknown Speaker 37:35
did we

Speaker 2 37:37
say on April 17? Is this

Unknown Speaker 37:41
because today we will get figured out what we just

Speaker 2 37:52
did there was no remember? Well, I was thinking when I was going back to the feasibility study, because the feasibility study came in the Board may may be strong statement of support for funding for the large bird, which also included the District Library is currently

Unknown Speaker 38:26
said we can we change the wording around us? Okay,

Speaker 2 38:33
or if you want to avoid all that one, Cynthia, you can say over the last several years, the advisory board is has unanimously approved options as advanced as some supported options that would have improved funding. Additional funding for the liability

Speaker 2 39:10
including both a ballot initiative in District Library for a separate ballot initiative an initiative for district because it will be billed.

Speaker 1 39:39
As maybe, maybe this needs to come. Maybe then at this point we need this. Our primary concern is that this I mean basically we don’t even have to say this ballot initiative. Our primary concern is that the library be funded at a recommended A level of service that preferably level or for being here. How many times have I said that Terminix

Speaker 4 40:09
preferred level of service includes expense spaces? Yeah, well this said I’m not just squatting plus or standard spaces. Yeah,

Speaker 2 40:19
well, it’s the branch library. It’s super analog right or call.

Speaker 3 40:25
I’m thinking about that last sentence of the second paragraph we believe one month deserves that might be a place where you can reference that feasibility study again so as the feasibility study indicates, we believe long on a community of what 90,000 People merits as as a community of 90 plus 1000 people we merit a six

Unknown Speaker 40:56
you’re approaching 100 Girls

Speaker 3 40:59
approaching 100,000 people Yeah, like we’re one of the few that accessibility just like with equity that those in like huge right

Unknown Speaker 41:17
very sturdy would you spotted your face

Unknown Speaker 41:20
I’m sorry. This is good.

Speaker 4 41:23
We want to serve a different level of service so whatever instead of welfare

Unknown Speaker 41:30
was sustained yes

Unknown Speaker 41:33
sustainably funded

Speaker 3 41:36
I mean, the preferred level of service that was called out in the feasibility study would be

Unknown Speaker 41:41
great at the

Speaker 3 41:49
but that level came out of wanting it to be sustainable over time and not just we want to buy a thing. We want to build a thing

Unknown Speaker 42:04
it was a

Speaker 1 42:05
is a thing. This feasibility study is a proper noun, isn’t it? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 42:13
Of this chocolate. Wait is is its grammar that you’re not wrong. It’s titled The feasibility study so.

Unknown Speaker 42:41
Obviously, it’s imperative to finish the essence sentence.

Unknown Speaker 42:47
Longmont

Unknown Speaker 42:48
I would say as a community of nearly one since horses

Unknown Speaker 42:54
Yeah. Let’s see big ideas and words

Speaker 3 42:58
I don’t like the connotation of deserves because then it sounds like you’re granting this thing based on like

Unknown Speaker 43:08
whether we like to meet and meet

Unknown Speaker 43:10
Yes, it Yes.

Unknown Speaker 43:15
Needs

Unknown Speaker 43:16
blah. acquires

Unknown Speaker 43:19
yeah priors.

Unknown Speaker 43:26
You can you can refer back

Unknown Speaker 43:30
to what the feasibility study indicates. So

Speaker 3 43:36
one month’s library requires a sustainable system requires sustainable funding at the preferred level of service

Unknown Speaker 43:49
one second let me finish this lesson it’s

Unknown Speaker 43:55
true of the law offered the type of

Unknown Speaker 43:56
Oh that’s fine. I do this all day.

Speaker 1 44:14
Right, so let’s get the second paragraph for now. Those last two paragraphs is this. Do we think we can change that language but is this clear and Is it strong

Unknown Speaker 44:35
it’s actually probably one paragraph.

Speaker 3 44:59
There sentence that first sense, our primary concern is that the bail we’re asking for a ballot measure. All right, in the first paragraph, but then we’re saying in the third paragraph, we also are concerned that that’s, that’s still not going to be enough. So do you want to take it there? At that moment?

Unknown Speaker 45:20
I was like, I think it was it does this. Yeah. You also maybe

Speaker 5 45:26
say like the council should also keep in mind or consider some sort of wording.

Unknown Speaker 45:31
Yes. From that perspective, maybe. And it

Unknown Speaker 45:33
would feel like

Speaker 4 45:35
a branch library gets us in the right direction for sure. For sure. Right. But it’s something different. There’s still something that hit that preferred level service but this would be a great start.

Unknown Speaker 45:52
I mean, I don’t know

Speaker 3 45:53
right? Now it makes it nice and positive. Yeah, this is a first step toward the preferred level of service as outlined in the feasibility study.

Speaker 1 46:07
So the board supports this ballot measure

Speaker 1 46:26
unable to actually get the correct name of the feasibility study is cedar consulting I’m sure there’s that

Unknown Speaker 46:41
and now how does that

Speaker 1 46:50
maybe we want to change your primary concern here or our hope or desire

Unknown Speaker 47:00
Our ultimate goal

Unknown Speaker 47:01
is yeah

Unknown Speaker 47:08
thanks for being very quiet.

Speaker 2 47:43
evening when you want to get into an aircraft field about same set the last several years the advisory board against funding for a rather truly a general fund ballot initiative initiative for a district library district initiative for Information Library District

Unknown Speaker 48:33
Four.

Speaker 1 49:05
All right, so let’s just go over one more time. If this sounds good to everyone, strong Public Library’s essential I would say not supporting the building an equitable community I don’t think it’s a supportive because elevational within it, I don’t know if this last phrase really needs to be here if it makes a point or not.

Speaker 3 49:35
That’s not what about just a strong Public Library’s essential to an equitable community. Oh yeah. Building implying that we don’t have one goal

Unknown Speaker 49:49
I don’t think you need to let us pause

Speaker 1 49:55
right and then we’ll of course we need to change this face on reduce agree are not as

Unknown Speaker 50:05
nice positive, you

Speaker 4 50:08
know what you just talked about that it’s a non transactional?

Unknown Speaker 50:15
I don’t like that language.

Unknown Speaker 50:19
Well, they wanted to sit down

Speaker 2 50:21
a little bit, although it seems like your last sentence in the second paragraph is just tag

Unknown Speaker 50:28
and then do we want to add to that?

Unknown Speaker 50:33
Combine that with the sentence before it.

Unknown Speaker 50:36
So we believe that as a community

Speaker 3 50:39
of nearly 100,000 Longmont requires a sustainably funded library

Unknown Speaker 50:51
system and then I think we get into the preferred level

Unknown Speaker 51:06
as eight zero

Speaker 1 51:12
twice right when you write when you write it out and when you smell it, so I’m going to check that and do it sustainably Oh, thanks. What do you have to check? Oh, I can’t remember if you spell it out, or if you write out 100,000

Speaker 3 51:28
It depends on the style guide that you’re following. APA

Unknown Speaker 51:35
style guide or color and this is what I write in our

Speaker 4 51:42
style guide to site it’s much easier to see the number of intermediate

Unknown Speaker 51:47
Oh, that’s interesting. Okay, so like that

Unknown Speaker 51:51
it’s just the impact

Unknown Speaker 51:56
I think he should make it low even bigger.

Unknown Speaker 52:03
Yeah, are you gonna speak to why that happened

Unknown Speaker 52:14
Well, if we’re

Speaker 1 52:16
if we’re alright with this statement, I can I can do a little ll look over like I said, I think I need to make sure that spelling see here consulting right. And like I can’t hurt the stability spirit of feasibility study had named besides the feasibility study, I didn’t look that up.

Speaker 3 52:36
A long Public Library feasibility study based on Seager is spelled correctly,

Speaker 1 52:48
and is it senior consulting or is like senior consulting LLC,

Speaker 3 52:53
senior consulting s PC write something professional consultant, and the Society of Professional consultants.

Speaker 1 53:11
Alright, are we good to go with this thing that I mean, we have to first decide if we want to build and then what that would be and perhaps were the highlight of the schooling language may change. So I’m gonna go ahead and change that. So I guess at this point, we need to figure out if we want to pass a measure that supports the inclusion a bit of a ballot measure for labor advantage on November 2023. So I I knew and I believe I can do this market looking to you so let me know rules and regulations if I can. I believe I can put forward a proposal to this group. So I propose that the scores include at passes a measure that we support the inclusion of a ballot measure for library branch on the November 2023 ballot

Unknown Speaker 54:17
All in favor

Unknown Speaker 54:20
Okay, so that language

Unknown Speaker 54:24
and can we all show up?

Unknown Speaker 54:27
Oh, we see unanimously.

Speaker 2 54:31
Videos sleep past that should make the match. And then we should I guess also in the sleep go wrong. The language

Speaker 1 54:45
we have to Oh, yes. Okay, thanks. Um, so juicy. I can I can share that exact wording. Sure you wanted it? Yeah. Let me go ahead and pass this to you. You don’t mind that’s inside. and incidents there. Okay, so that motion passed. Next motion. I move that we send the communication. Just wordsmith to to city council is our thoughts on this matter?

Unknown Speaker 55:23
I think you should include city manager. Jeff, the assistant city. Okay. Would you recommend anybody else?

Speaker 4 55:39
Know what the city manager’s office? Oh, I’ll well, I’m just thinking that that hits your city manager, assistant city managers, finance and anyone that would want to see that.

Speaker 2 55:56
Okay, well, I don’t know that I don’t know that. But in the past, we just target

Unknown Speaker 56:03
city manager covers and so on. You’re fine.

Unknown Speaker 56:05
All right. What about Jeff? And Jeff, Jeff would be part of it.

Speaker 1 56:13
Alright, so let me amend that previous mission that we will be sending this communication to city council, the city manager’s office, Jeff and other relevant stakeholders. Have a second. And then I think since it’s amended, Let’s vote again. On favor. Alright. Great, is you’re able to get that. Thanks.

Unknown Speaker 56:41
So Jeff’s boss is.

Unknown Speaker 56:46
Jody, Julie, during your job?

Speaker 2 56:51
Search that you’re right. So she should probably get it.

Unknown Speaker 56:55
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 56:57
Now, as our staff is on this, this presentation comes directly from me, or does it as their stuff as on can we send it to you and forwarded out on our

Unknown Speaker 57:11
historically we just said, that’s

Unknown Speaker 57:16
not the sport?

Speaker 2 57:18
No, well, we just got to set it up rather than drag with the board. Yeah, it’s not. It’s not advocating or not advocating. He’s independent.

Speaker 1 57:34
Right. So soon as the Members, is there, like a single email address, or do we send it to each of theirs? individually? How are you doing that?

Speaker 2 57:45
I used to go back and look at City long, because I could never figure even unless you have something that like the city directly, but I never had a lot of

Unknown Speaker 58:01
just a city council like,

Unknown Speaker 58:04
group. But

Speaker 2 58:07
I think when you go through the website, though, it gets filtered. Like either goes to the clerk’s office or goes to some other some other intermediary, so that, again, historically, we’ve just sent it directly on behalf of the Advisory Board, making sure that the mayor and council

Speaker 1 58:32
see and this is where sorry, Mark I feel like I’m being very honest. This is where I’m confused me Isn’t that how do we get the individual city council members emails?

Unknown Speaker 58:41
person that’s that’s that’s not

Unknown Speaker 58:44
me. Somebody will get to the form.

Speaker 2 58:48
Google the same content Google city. See this is the problem by the city line. It’s the it’s the monthly utilities

Unknown Speaker 59:02
out yet that

Speaker 2 59:04
comes with the Google Google that and then in the body of that they always lists the email account counsel then there

Speaker 1 59:22
is maybe a question for Okay, great. So I have all those now, city or city managers office.

Unknown Speaker 59:31
Oh, I would just do Harold domain. This is a lot more than Dr.

Unknown Speaker 59:39
Harold Dr. Was at Longmont, Colorado, Colorado.

Unknown Speaker 59:46
It’s a good turnout

Unknown Speaker 59:51
for screwing us up for a few bucks.

Speaker 1 1:00:06
Sorry, what was that again, Harold out to Vegas, whatnot, Colorado. And well that we need other individual email addresses. Jeff, obviously, Jeff.

Speaker 4 1:00:20
I mean, do you want all those city council members?

Speaker 1 1:00:23
So I have all the city council members do I was able to find those through the city line. I just wasn’t sure if there any other staff

Unknown Speaker 1:00:31
and then Joanie, Joanie

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jail and I

Speaker 4 1:00:37
jail and I thought Mar sh.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:44
Oh, just Marsh on my Colorado. Got that. All right. I’ll get that out tomorrow morning.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:56
I don’t want to do it right now.

Speaker 2 1:00:58
Yeah, right. Just make sure you reference that which is coming from you the chair first.

Speaker 1 1:01:14
Whenever that offers that hey, great. Any other comments on this agenda item before you move on? Right, go back to where?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:25
You want to talk about going to a meeting?

Speaker 1 1:01:28
Oh, yes, please. Yes. So I could be at the next season. I believe that people tweet at the start, but I wouldn’t be able to stay for anything besides excited to be heard. But it does seem like the time to do that. Anyone else available if anyone else would prefer to go to 70 Happy to relinquish that.

Speaker 5 1:01:56
I would prefer but I would probably be available to go as well by applying the night forces on

Unknown Speaker 1:02:05
April 21.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:09
I should be able to go but I’ve got

Speaker 3 1:02:12
pretty much all week. So I’d be there in the same capacity that you are. Yeah. You can’t stay cool.

Speaker 2 1:02:28
If I can’t go I can’t go. I think you need to be verbal yet.

Speaker 4 1:02:43
So think the next according to the website, I think the next meeting is on the 25th. That’s what we’re calling.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:52
Oh, okay. I thought you

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said this. Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:56
So like right now. So

Unknown Speaker 1:02:58
you’re late. Also, not Tuesday. So I just forget it. John didn’t say anything.

Speaker 1 1:03:09
So my plan is to pretty much just read what we shared, even though it will be the second time they’ve heard it. Does that match with your thoughts as well,

Speaker 2 1:03:17
you may have to do one or two live leads. They’re like, Oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah. I’m here to referee. People sitting here. Referee sent the unanimous resolution from the library advisory board. Big ball as long as Sunday three minutes

Speaker 6 1:03:37
of other private citizens who show up great echo support. Even better even.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:44
I would say that better.

Speaker 3 1:03:46
So with that in mind, would I be able to share this with the friends?

Speaker 1 1:03:54
Yes. I think that actually is a really good idea. And I think that it could be beneficial.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:03
I know one or two that’ll come out great. For sure. But it was a great idea. You want surely their meeting is the next night or two nights later Oh no, I think I think Sharon will come out I think those roles is some strong minded individuals on that board or they they make come out both multiple

Speaker 1 1:04:44
any other very good ideas like that that we’re missing. They all need to go hey, well, I will definitely be reading the statement hopefully to see you This semester as you can extend

Speaker 2 1:05:02
just a couple organizational tips for if you want to get in and get up, get there earlier, which are named

Unknown Speaker 1:05:12
at 645. Anything

Speaker 2 1:05:15
645? Six, there’s a lot of interest. So it just depends what counsel’s debating, but the earlier you get your name on there, the earlier you can get

Speaker 2 1:05:36
and keep them on our website to make sure that Oh, yes.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:46
But not, not free.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:56
Right, let’s move on, actually, is that next quarter?

Speaker 4 1:06:02
Okay. So I didn’t include this in the packet. But I met with white leaders leadership team shorter. So this could be considered a draft action plan, we started that we discussed last week that I would prepare, basically outlining basically five over all sorts of topics or goals for the year that we want to accomplish. And this is sort of how I’ve approached this previously, as I discussed last month, and this kind of format, right, so. So we identified these five areas of patient and staff security, communication, customer experience, collection, development, and outreach and partnerships. And then within there, there’s some more specifics of things we want to do. Now, given that it’s mid April, I sort of operated under the idea that under normal circumstances, we would have started preparing an actual plan in November, December. But I don’t want to lose sight of things that I would have put in there, like implementing and installing the sorter, which is a huge thing. The sorters done. So it’s, it needs to be there. But it’s also something we can check off right away. So nothing wrong with that, right.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:37
You want to be able to

Speaker 4 1:07:39
Yeah, so So I kind of backtrack a little bit on there was somebody’s but there’s plenty in here, you know, looking ahead of things and

Unknown Speaker 1:07:50
you know, I get some momentum.

Speaker 4 1:07:52
Yeah, I think it’s, it’s a good exercise like that. It gets the team thinking about like, you know, what are we doing? What do we need to look at, kind of this year, what are our priorities? And, you know, we just started talking, and then I kind of as I hurt people, I grouped them into these categories of kind of themes that I was hearing. You know, security is a big thing, always. Some of this stuff is already in place, the priority haven’t contacted, and have a schedule or not scheduled, but the lighting in our ancient and lobby is horrible. It’s horrible, and it’s in that it falls within a security issue. But why lot of these cross lines? Right, that’s also a customer experience issue, if you can see, but you know, coordinate system. I’m just saying customer experience. No, I think generally we hear we use patron. I’ve been in libraries that use customers, I’ve been in others and use guest Disney model. And then not that it’s exactly what they’re doing. And Disney has something there I will admit like, guest has a whole different meaning. Members Good. Stay away from because people will have a library card, they may not feel welcome. But that’s not true. You can come in here without a library. So patrons always fall back. I don’t know that I’m crazy. But I don’t want to call it patron experience either because I feel like customer experience as a people people hear that and they know what that means. That means providing something of value to people that are here

Unknown Speaker 1:09:32
or online.

Speaker 4 1:09:35
So there’s a lot you can see within within customer experience and feel like that’s probably one of our highest priorities with some of these things. You know, whether you kind of glanced at this now, so it’s certainly something we can revisit next month. You know, if you don’t want to

Unknown Speaker 1:10:00
Have you submitted your subject?

Speaker 4 1:10:03
No, not yet. That’s that’s part of my director update to kind of talk about that a little bit. But we’ll that’ll be a focus on our main meeting.

Speaker 2 1:10:12
Okay, so would it be safe to say that your budget?

Speaker 4 1:10:18
Well, this, this is all for this year’s budget? So yes. Okay. Does when when we talk about budget, more 2024 and budget planning, right. Yeah. Right. This is a lot.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:33
This is like bringing new circulation.

Speaker 4 1:10:37
Yeah, that’s a project that that it was something that was started at one point. And so when we were talking about that needs to be finished, because it’s important. There’s a lot that goes on in our circ desk, and there’s no shortage of information that people need to know. And it’s, it’s handy to have something to refer back to. And anyone at any desk can perform a certain task. So it’s helpful.

Speaker 4 1:11:08
It is a lot. But it I can tell you some things like even within security, all of these are underway. Right now. I mean, the full time Campus Security attendant, that recruitment just closed on Saturday. So we’ll be interviewing within the next week. And hiring so it’ll get checked off. Maybe but our main meeting,

Unknown Speaker 1:11:31
take a Delta good response

Unknown Speaker 1:11:32
to that. Yes.

Speaker 3 1:11:37
Yeah, I think it would be cool to see this. I’m not asking you to do this. But if I saw this as a dashboard that had sort of like, indicators, alongside of, you know, where this just started, that started Yes, way through almost done, you know, then I think that overall impact would be Yeah. Maybe not initially, like going on that so much, you know, be like, All right, things are in process they’re trucking along is a good balance between new initiatives and almost completed tasks. And this is just for 2023. Correct. Are

Speaker 1 1:12:22
you about the policy? Is that just are there major changes that you think will happen to the computer use policy?

Speaker 4 1:12:30
Well, it was something so here’s what I understand. We don’t have one. Okay. A and B. Yeah, wow, was was my first thought. But there, there was a staffer before I was here. And a group that was formed to create a computer use policy, recognising the need for something like that. And I’m not really sure what happened. I mean, I’m sure the transition of directors and not really having any clear direction on how to proceed with that. So you know, I want to put that group back together, or some form of that group back together and finish that, or wherever they were at. I’m not really clear, but they’re certainly it was started on some level.

Speaker 1 1:13:19
This is really helpful for us to see a sense. So thanks, John.

Speaker 4 1:13:28
Yeah, you know, and like I said, I know there’s a lot here, we could certainly come back next month. And if you have questions on something, or even concerns about something, or ideas for things or not seeing, what about this, you know, we can talk about that. And then, you know, maybe after that meeting, I can kind of call finalize for staff. And then, and then, following that, I would, I would report on it here. either like this or that Jamie’s suggestion would have like in a dashboard, you can visually see where we’re at.

Speaker 3 1:14:05
I asked what the new library card means.

Speaker 4 1:14:09
So we Yeah, it’s I mean, it’s it’s fairly basic in the sense that our library cards or the stash that we have, is getting low and it’s time to reorder. But we’re not going to just reorder the style of card we have. We’re working on a new design and also to have it be packaged with a car, a library card, and then a keychain library

Unknown Speaker 1:14:33
card which new libraries

Speaker 4 1:14:34
do and we haven’t done here. So. So that’s that’s in process. I mean, we’re actually just waiting on the vendor to come back with modifications to the design we gave,

Unknown Speaker 1:14:47
which, which I’ll share with a habit.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:52
And then the keychain version

Unknown Speaker 1:15:00
And I can do all this

Speaker 2 1:15:09
without being overly deep, how do you define ROI?

Speaker 4 1:15:17
Well, that’s interesting question because I put this on here. And then it came from my adult services, head of adult services. She was the one that brought that to me. And, you know, I had I kind of had this list, right? And says, Well, that’s good to get, what’s our return on investment on spending on digital resources and databases? So I just emailed her late this afternoon, saying, What what are you looking for here? So I’ll be able to answer that a little bit better. But, you know, kind of really trying to see, you know, basically mean, some of its usage, right. Are Are we getting? Is the usage? And then if you calculate kind of what you’re paying per year for subscription, per use, is it worth it? You know, if you if you break that down, maybe using a database, or accessing something that’s costing maybe $6 per use, is that worth? And if not, what do you do? It doesn’t mean you necessarily get rid of it. But what do you do to increase your usage? To make sure that the investment is extremely pricey resources aren’t worth your while?

Speaker 2 1:16:30
Do you think this is something I’ve often wondered, do you think the public understand uncertainty delivered?

Speaker 4 1:16:39
Generally? No. I think that’s something that it’s it’s a common theme in public libraries, where there’s so much there, and I think a lot of the public doesn’t have any clue all the stuff that we have. That’s my perception. And that’s a, you know, it’s a marketing issue. And, and that is, kind of, in fact, maybe that’s something that can be expanded upon within either communication or customer experience, as far as, you know, building better lines for making that the outcome known we do we do a good job of that through outreach. So in our outreach person, I would say team, which is to have one, but you know what, when she’s out there, she’s she’s pushing this stuff. And really creating a lot of what of awareness, but that’s one person.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:34
LCC, I’ve also seen on social

Speaker 4 1:17:38
media, and hiding, so we have a marketing person that she’s she’s a part of the city’s central communications team. But she is stationed here, and I would say 90% of her job is only on library marketing and communications. So we benefit from that, and that sense of order. So if you are seeing that, that’s good, because that’s what shouldn’t be happening.

Speaker 2 1:18:01
My perception is you historically done a great job with a lot of things that people just don’t understand. Right? Because he hasn’t been made aware of

Speaker 1 1:18:19
that, so to see St. Brain ad library project, where does that?

Speaker 4 1:18:26
So that’s, I mean, that’s been accomplished on one level with one of the elementary schools, I think it’s elementary might be a middle school, don’t quote me on that, but and that’s a bit of work. So basically, the their ID cards will, that they all get will function as a library card here without actually having to have a library. Or, I mean, certainly welcome to, but that way, they can access everything with their student ID. And there’s there’s a lot behind the scenes that goes into that. So we did some testing with one of the schools it was successful as far as you know, their library cards transferring and integration within our libraries or within our iOS. So all that work, so now we want to get more and get other schools on board. But it’s with that kind of thing. Depending on the school, but there’s so many privacy laws for schools and students that you have to really be careful of how you’re capturing student data within our system. And and making sure it’s anonymized. So a lot of technical work goes in the background so that it can work but we don’t actually know who the student is.

Speaker 1 1:19:47
So to see rain currently have their own set of databases.

Speaker 4 1:19:52
I don’t know. But but generally my experience, at least in most places I’ve been in Some school districts more and more have less and less to put into library resources, including databases. So they rely on public libraries, which is why this is critical to make sure that their ease of access into what we can provide through our databases is, is there and there’s not Roblox.

Speaker 1 1:20:21
I really love that guy doing that. My understanding is that BVSD able to publish, have that set up. So I think that’s wonderful. Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:20:31
I mean, the goal that I don’t know that it will be was in the year, but it would be two have every school within this district on board. But you’re dealing with this individual schools, IT departments. It’s not like just one physical, maybe Middle School. This was I can’t remember who we started, we kind of started with one school, which was before I got here and started doing a bunch of testing. So maybe it was a middle school

Unknown Speaker 1:21:07
and a tiny sample that I have in middle school.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:10
I think it they don’t have

Speaker 3 1:21:16
an ID number. That’s what I was going for. Yes. But my older one has a card with your photo and mnemonic. Yeah, the younger one. Just gotta memorize her number,

Unknown Speaker 1:21:29
you haven’t sent me that the numbers would be lower.

Speaker 3 1:21:33
So then what would you be presenting? You would be typing, the student would be typing that in

Speaker 4 1:21:42
there that that would go in? Yeah, I mean, I That doesn’t work. But ideally, they would hand over an ID or a piece of all elementary school to the mom or mom or dad or whoever would present that. But

Unknown Speaker 1:21:58
like a physical it could be elementary

Unknown Speaker 1:22:01
students, you I don’t know. My child’s just as

Unknown Speaker 1:22:07
it could be.

Speaker 1 1:22:08
I don’t know. Well, thanks. I don’t want to cut the conversation short, I’m looking at time. Is there any further any other comments at this point on that action update.

Speaker 4 1:22:28
One thing that’s on there is a new library brochure. And I just, I can just pass this around. And we have on human gentleman desk, but this is on there. Because it was something we did start in January, we didn’t have a good, or we had an outdated brochure or a piece of paper. I don’t know what we had. I just thought I didn’t like it. So Heidi, our marketing person that we have she she created this kind of smaller, something that people can have the isn’t overwhelming in size. And so anyway, it’s all here, but feel free to take a look as we continue.

Speaker 1 1:23:10
Well, I will put this on the agenda item on our list for next week. So we can add any as you mentioned, and any follow us on you’re still up.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:24
Yeah,

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I am. And so I think I was gonna share

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my fair share a picture of this. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 1:23:46
yeah. And if we can really like the size of

Speaker 3 1:23:53
this seeing the SharePoint item, being better use of SharePoint for internal

Unknown Speaker 1:24:02
it’s worthwhile, but the struggle that’s

Speaker 6 1:24:04
yeah, we’re going through that now. Because I don’t know any

Speaker 4 1:24:08
organization that takes on SharePoint that doesn’t have this. It’s just, you know, and I mean, I’ll share my own thoughts. I’m comfortable with most things. But SharePoint, to me is not intuitive at all. And it’s overwhelming. And I think some people are just like, Oh, forget it. There’s no way but it’s actually a place for file sharing and education. So let me my monthly highlights so I I’ll touch on this included in the packet if you happen to read

Unknown Speaker 1:24:48
we got

Speaker 4 1:24:51
some feedback from some of our holdout patrons that I thought was really worth sharing just because that’s the stuff I I’ve said it before, but stories are what sells? I think so you can have all the data you want. But when you hear that kind of thing, it just someone’s life is so impacted by a service that you do that into your point mark, it’s something that not is not well known.

Speaker 2 1:25:16
Well, I was just looking decisions, what a great first step up. Yeah. And that helps people get get their heads around the things that they can get the locker

Speaker 4 1:25:30
so I can kind of show you what else this month is going on. Or what happened in March, I should say. So starting with children team, some things here with with steam programming.

Speaker 4 1:25:53
Yeah, the Mars Science program was pretty good. Crap storytime. Some good turnouts for these things. As you all know, and I will be talking about this more, we’ll be talking budget next time with our programs, when we need supplies or things to do a craft program 100% Friends support. We have no budget for this ourselves. And it doesn’t make any sense to me. So that’s going to be one of the things I put in there. But but it works with the friends we can put on good programs. So So children’s was busy in March and don’t get busier to wait till summer. Just kind of go through these intrusives. Tina teams is picking up we have a new team library now. That was a new position that was flushed before last year this year. So you’ll see some increase in teen activities. Kind of getting going she just started symptoms.

Speaker 4 1:27:11
This is a fun program about our program. But it’s the kids that combo blast.

Speaker 4 1:27:23
So as usual, children’s doesn’t live. These are some of the standing programs for storytime every time. We we’ve talked about staff visits, I believe that will start with me, by the way. And in fact, children’s is going to come to the present and talk a little more about children’s programming as to what they do, and what it means the impacts. So some of the numbers from children’s from March and then going through adults. We did let’s see, what do they do go to Agile presentation. That was that’s the pictures here. So that was a cultural event that we did actually in the city council chambers, because we knew the turnout will be bigger, but we can manage here. So that was a really successful program. I’ll be happy to talk to you next month to talk about April because just yesterday we had an offer from Eric Krause, who wrote a really good book about her PII. She’s a hired as a Pio to start getting into April. The books called Tell me everything. And it’s it’s about the CU Boulder and a bunch of unfortunate events with sexual assault from football players recruits, and and then roughly the firing of coach at the time. It was in the early 2000s. So this Yeah, yeah. While she was involved fascinating story anyway, kick her on, because that’s my teaser furniture. It was it was so good. Anyway, so adult and then they do a lot I only have a picture of some of their finger programs. But a lot of these are standing programs that we do we always get turnout. But we keep them because someone’s gonna do these or we’ll drop in almost like passive programming like we’re there but people can come or not, but we keep going as long as enough people come in.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:37
On average.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:40
That’s our podcast. No, wow. We have a podcast. Yeah, yeah. It gets a lot. I encourage you if you have discovered that they do book reviews

Speaker 4 1:30:00
And actually, that’s, that’s supported through blah, blah, blah. We use their facilities to do that

Speaker 2 1:30:08
in a partnership. So there’s clearly a lot of data there. Yeah. Do you see yourself trend that trend app or stablish? Second reference? Statistics to know whether you’re on track with what you want to do or off track?

Unknown Speaker 1:30:31
You know, when it’s

Speaker 4 1:30:36
not necessarily. I mean, it’s what you want is, I mean, what I want, attendance is one thing, but what’s the impact for someone that attended, and that’s what’s not captured here. This is just showing how many people showed up at your writers group. What I want to know is how many people those writers group are having some success, maybe they’re getting published, or maybe, you know, something like that. That’s feedback, we need to figure out how to get. That being said, if we host a writers group, and no one comes, then we need to shift and look at something else that would be meaningful for the community.

Speaker 2 1:31:18
Yeah, I understand what you’re saying. And I don’t disagree. I just, you know, for me, I will just need to look at something to say whether it is you’re trending in the right direction?

Speaker 4 1:31:33
Yeah, I mean, they’re there. There’s definitely some level of that with the numbers. But it’s hard to, for me, it’s hard to get like a baseline of what does that look like? Because it shifts, all this stuff shifts in your community interest shifts and what you’re doing. So it’s great for a while and all sudden, it’s not. So then what are

Speaker 2 1:31:54
you doing? Well, I don’t know about four vectors, statistics go to whether it be your reference period.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:01
Yeah, I mean, they’re probably back far enough.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:06
You know, to kind of gather.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:17
Okay, outreach.

Speaker 4 1:32:20
Again, this is a tool, why she’s doing a ton of stuff, hitting a lot of people out there. They’re really reaching a lot of people out there with where she’s going, which is subsidy facilities, and a lot of that are not like when she goes to the Mexican markets, and just stands out there. And every time she goes, she issues, new libraries. And someone doesn’t know at all what we offer, and some don’t know where we are. So that’s the importance of this type of thing and why this position exists, and why I want to grow it by the way. She went to the Latino Chamber of Commerce, they gave her membership for a year. She was awesome. So that’s, that’s a whole new realm of networking in that area for her and getting a lot of business and community support for the library. All this stuff can help me when I think about, like, who comes to council meetings like this is, in my mind, who I see outside of ourselves or yourselves. So Lily, and this is Willie, and she’s my outreach librarian if you haven’t met her. And so she’s she’s really good about documenting her experiences with this stuff. And getting photos and data, which will be down here at the end, right? Yeah, this is new. She, she just, she’s perfect for this role. Because she just walks into places in New York, I want to stand here and talk about the library and they look at her and they say, okay if I did that, they would be like, yeah, she she has that magic. She has that magic. So. So yes, it is. We’ll, we’ll see how this goes. But right away, you know, she’s, this is just one day, you know, so She records the stats by how many people she talks to. But it could be also one person and she’ll kind of document what the different questions they may have. Right? So it’s they may ask about library cards, but then they may ask about something else. And so to her, that’s two different things. And so that’s kind of how she could afford stuff. So just like her mother, who reports to me, by the way, I’m sharing with you about three or four of her slides. It’s no less than 25. So I just I’m just giving you a A snapshot real snapshot of it. But here’s some stats of what she did. I even went with her to the Optimist Club at Perkins. And we talked to the Optimist Club about the library. And they loved her, of course, I went because they told me they have questions about the future of the library. And I have to answer those. And they were fine. They just kind of curious what what things look like, not everyone was aware of what’s going on potential ballot initiatives and stuff. So what are they do this?

Unknown Speaker 1:35:37
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, in

Speaker 4 1:35:41
fact, to that point, I mean, the person that charges for reached out to me because he, in his day job he works for habitat is a Habitat for Humanity that builds homes. And so they’re planning, they’re kind of been planning to do some type of thing when Jimmy Carter dies. And he asked if he could do it at the library. And it’s basically would be like this, like a physical wall that they can talk about Habitat for Humanity and kind of garner support. I said that I think it’s fine. As long as you’re not asking me for a city property. So maybe if if I give him that?

Speaker 4 1:36:27
So this is kind of what we’re Lily enhance a lot. Of course, a lot of schools and then the children’s department themselves at school. So that’s another avenue for outreach. That’s not Well, no, it is within here. She captures their stats anyway. They do more classroom visits, and William doesn’t work like school events, like if they have a nighttime event or something. Winters a little bit quieter. I say that, but you can see what she’s still getting out there doesn’t really matter. It’ll get a lot busier as it gets warmer, because she’ll be in the parks and things like that. And that’s that. That stuff for most of the President’s

Speaker 4 1:37:12
budget updates. Yeah, well, I want it I mean, I think we’ll talk about a little bit more, but I did want to share, just so you know, where my mind’s at, on some things that I intend to put in the budget. And that way you guys can kind of think about this. And maybe we can talk about a little bit more. And you might have more of what do you mean by that, or how much you asking that will be more next month, but I did want to share. So I talked about outreach, that that team of one got needs, that needs more staff, if we’re going to really be successful. Right now million doesn’t herself, or she relies on the generosity of existing staff and their managers to allow them to get away from a public service desk, go out with her somewhere. And I don’t think that that’s sustainable, it’s great, I love that the staff are getting out. And they’re engaging with the community on a different level than being behind a desk. But I don’t know that we can rely on that all the time. So that’s going to be a big ask, increase the temp wages. So we you know, we have a number of part time staff that are technically called temporary staff. And we it’s basically like a bucket, it’s a bucket of money. And the other advantage of having that increased is when we need extra staff. So again, circling back to outreach, someone who’s part time, they can actually work extra hours and go to some of these outreach events. Right now we’re pretty tight. So if I had some flexibility with these wages, also, we could actually recruit, possibly recruit and have like, a an army of substitutes. We’re not necessarily here every day, but we are on call. That will when we’re short staffed, we can call it we don’t have that ability right now. Our collections need to increase one is pre processing. And because that has a cost in order to have books and other materials come in shelf ready right now. We do it all ourselves. That takes an enormous amount of time. And as a disservice paying for it is well worth it. But we need to increase the budget to accommodate it. And then we really need money to increase our digital collections. We’re not offering enough for a community of nearly 100,000. We talked about this year strategic planning, I think to that, right. I want a budget or consulting fees for that to make sure we’re approaching it in the best way we can. Professional Development with a really small budget and I’m a big advocate for that. Training and giving staff opportunities This helps everybody. This is kind of small, but other departments, you know, they have a budget for uniforms. And I’m not asking the staff to be uniform, but we’re we’re an outreach, they need to have what at least a t shirt that says long been public library, and we don’t have that. And so it should be something that’s incorporated in our budget so that staff can wear to work. In our staff day last month. I just found some money in one of our line items and thought teachers for everybody, because I just wanted it now. And it’s actually not that much. But ongoing, I would like your first day of work, you you do your HR, you come to the library, you get a tour, and then you get your T shirt, you know, like that’s, that’s how it should be in my library app is something I would like to explore. And this kind of fits within technology. But there’s some cool apps out there. And they offer some kind of add on services that I liked, such as self checkout, people can check out from within the collection and just kind of getting with the times the way I see it, think of your Apple Store, if you’ve ever shopped, you can shop in the Apple Store without shopping with a person. And then I mentioned this before programming budget, we need to have our own programming budget. And and the efforts of the friends do should really support big events. So we can continue to bring in like author events and big things that really help get the library out there. And also to do just much bigger things for the community. I mean, it’s hugely supportive now. But it’s not really seen. Right? I mean, it is for the people that come to kids come to a program, they can do crafts, that’s Fred supported. That’s something that libraries should support. That’s to me, it’s pretty basic. That’s just the start of peer review. Either something thing, because I’ll probably add on here. I’ll probably this add on here, a branch library.

Speaker 2 1:42:08
Well, I think, I don’t know whether next year is the year but well, we spoke about in previous meetings, this concept of a storefront library. Yeah, as opposed to a big branch. And that’s what I’m going to put on here. And that’s what we were gonna bake into. Yep. In fact, let me just

Speaker 4 1:42:35
so that’s that’s my I think that’s my director of pending any other questions or comments,

Speaker 3 1:42:43
is research and plan to acquire library fan, is that something

Speaker 4 1:42:49
that will be this year’s budget? We have a fund that a benefactor game donated money to library in the form of a trust, years ago, called the Moser fund. And apparently, not, a whole lot of people have known about it, and it was set up in a way that you can we can only spend on interest accrued on the trust, but because no one’s spared. There’s a decent amount of money. And one of the things I think we need to help support outreach is a van. And so what I envision, and this is right up my alley, because this is what we did in my last job at Riverside. Is is we bought that was through a grant but we’re Sprinter vans like Amazon payments, and you get a retrofitted and then you can get out there and they’re they’re wrapped with City Library logo. There’s a practical thing about it so that Lillian and hopefully her team have a vehicle to go out instead of using their own. Which is not real practical. But then, you know, you have stuff on there. So everywhere you go, you’re kind of this mobile library,

Unknown Speaker 1:44:09
right.

Speaker 2 1:44:10
So there’s some history with that idea was kicked around a couple of years ago. I don’t know if you have anything in your files. And I think crashed, crashed and burned just on the cost. But but there’s two funds, there’s the emson fund, and there’s Moser funds. And it’s not a showstopper because you need the Advisory Board approval of

Unknown Speaker 1:44:37
that model. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:44:40
Before you can, and then yeah, then it goes to the city and see rich in the champion. If the mayor agrees.

Speaker 4 1:44:47
Yeah. And so my money start out about right now is just checking with finance and how to get it appropriated because I can get it appropriated to spend and if it doesn’t get spent it’ll just go full back into the fund. So I wanted to make sure you get appropriated. And then that’ll be my step as to

Unknown Speaker 1:45:07
that, thank you for that reminder. Said,

Speaker 2 1:45:11
before you got here and you’re still kicking around the board put together its policy as to how it would approve money. Okay, so that we would be somewhat fitting here really? Yeah, correct. In terms of handling, handling the Federal Reserve, to your point, there’s quite a bit of money in there. Quite really well built in both funds is quite a bit of money. And it’s, it’s not like a proven a couple of $100 bending or expensive Delta needed to do some guidelines for us as a board.

Unknown Speaker 1:45:47
It’s hard again, is it restricted? They are

Speaker 2 1:45:52
but I think one needs one was reference books and one was hearing impaired learning disability or something like that

Speaker 1 1:46:06
acculturate find that documentation and maybe send it to Tracy to send out as part of the packet.

Unknown Speaker 1:46:11
Yeah, that makes

Speaker 4 1:46:13
sense, I should tell you, because the other thing I asked to appropriate before coming in here,

Unknown Speaker 1:46:20
but nothing has been done yet.

Speaker 4 1:46:23
But we just library has always wanted a an external backdrop on the west side of the plaza side. And that I don’t have money my own budget for so I was gonna pull that from.

Speaker 2 1:46:37
Well, I mean, it won’t be up to me, it will be up for these folks. Right. It’s not a showstopper. It’s I don’t think you can spend that’s a step. But the issue historically with the west side has been the engineering component of it, as opposed to the costs

Speaker 4 1:46:56
true, but I can solve it I think I got lucky. I just wanted the right person, I tell me where I can put a book trial. And so she gave me the answer. But nothing has been done. By the way. I just have just been doing the background work. So I’m glad you brought that up.

Unknown Speaker 1:47:23
Once your success

Speaker 1 1:47:24
piece of this fence, this is all very encouraging. Jonathan is sure that’s

Unknown Speaker 1:47:31
not from not from?

Speaker 1 1:47:35
Well, we are just about a nine but I know we do have one more agenda item before you can open up slide Raber content, comments concerning principal library report.

Speaker 3 1:47:45
I don’t have anything substantial to report from the last meeting. Okay.

Speaker 1 1:47:55
Library Board comments. Okay, we have our next meeting on May 8. And at this point, I move to adjourn. Do we do that? I mean to meetings that have procedures and they’re different. I don’t want to know which one we follow. We will be a journey under nine today. So first, Google agenda for last minute meetings. Sorry,

Unknown Speaker 1:48:30
what are you gonna leave it running?

Speaker 1 1:48:32
Just? Yeah, somebody jumps in. Yeah. Well, they could speak though. Alright, so with this new agenda order, y’all help me remember we’ll call obviously you have to secure approval the agenda. Any actions seem to be taken on that one at this time? Or is that just improved? It’s just sounds good, calm and so on to approval of previous month’s minutes and any corrections that anyone sees a motion to approve motion do we have a second all the third motion has been signed

Speaker 1 1:49:46
there were a few business items that I thought necessary to put on this in let’s an environmental business. So two items both follow ups from last time I was thinking the first one would be involve more discussion. But I’m not sure if that’s going to be the case at this point. So this is following up from the city’s culture and recreation initiative. And which I now know is an updated name. I’m curious to get started, how many of us are able This is a question without any judgment, just to know where we’re at, I was able to, to watch the recording, and I believe Mark was able to attend in person, how many of us are able to really look at their watch or? Okay, I’m gonna try and give a brief summary of it. And Mark, please jump in. John, also, please jump in. So, basically, within each of these segments, the questions asked the, in some ways, the responses for the library for a new branch library had the highest number of results. And in some ways, no, because they were looking at both the results that came over text. And that came that came through other ways, which I’m assuming met online. There were really a couple of items from my understanding that kind of rose to the top of that survey, the library being one of them. But the consultant did share that is, I guess, best practice that results should reach at least 50% of proving on this type of survey before being brought to a ballot measure. One result, the library branch was right at 60%. Otherwise, there was not that threshold was not met by the respondents. There was support for the ballot questions to be asked individually rather, as a whole. They also shared some of the demographic results, it seemed that actually the voters in the age group 18 to 44, were more likely to support most of the measures. And this isn’t really relevant to us. I just found it interesting. Those hear news, it was in the city less than 10 years. There was also some survey text responses sharing that now’s not the time to raise taxes. There is high public turnout in support, it sounded like and public invited to be heard. I did not hear that part. For the arts and entertainment center support. There was discussion about the need for campaigns, strong marketing campaigns and kind of get out the vote information on either of these measures. It sounded like that’s coming out of the sale proposal, previous proposal for the ice pool.

Speaker 1 1:52:55
There is a desire for more services in like Walmart. The question was raised, how many valid issues is a good idea to the counselor to the consulting group that put out the survey? They’re saying that three or four is not outrageous, probably 10. There was discussion at the end about the what the role of an advisory board can be which I think pertain to us directly. In this campaign, we cannot we cannot campaign for this as a board, of course individually because our own time, but we can basically share with the council and this is the question I want to raise them a little bit after here they will have time to discuss if we want to pass any proposals, you can share with city council that we think this should be honored if it should not be. But we are not able to basically use this group in order to to campaign from, if that makes sense. I actually if we do decide we want to make a statement. I do have some draft language I want to share with you all. I was a little disappointed from from my watching of this. One of the things that seemed that came out of it was a desire for more serving. So there was a response from counsel to staff their questions from staff to counsel on it more survey needed to be done, I guess based on his lower response, and it seems to me like reading between the lines, at least my understanding there was some hesitancy about this being a off year, and you lower turnout for this year. So I’d love to hear from her in John, what I missed over that really brief summary. And then I’m hoping that we can discuss what we as a board if we do think this is an appropriate time to share our thoughts with counsel. And so what those thoughts would be

Speaker 2 1:54:58
well, you bye Two cents on a new VM. I appreciate it. And you doing that? Because it helped me recall some of the things that were said during the presentations. I agree, I think counsel had trouble figuring out what they should ask for what they should what, what was too big and ask to get something successfully passed. That’s why I think when you commented on additional survey, and I think they were trying to figure all that out is, you know, what is an acceptable number to go to the public? Concerning additional funding and comedy initiatives put on the ballot, which you mentioned, the, the thing that came up a couple of times from Council during the comments that they made his design thought that, that they appreciated the cultural center, they’re backing their initiative. But we’re hopeful that other groups, not just stars, but other groups would have been there also expressing support, because in my mind listening to the talk, and I’ll talk a little bit more on this in a minute. For them, it’s it’s, in large part a political exercise. And they’re trying to manage the politics of this as well as just the funding of why that’s

Unknown Speaker 1:56:37
the

Unknown Speaker 1:56:42
topic of Apple see was was

Unknown Speaker 1:56:47
kicked around quite a bit. And there were

Speaker 2 1:56:52
several one council that were looking for citizens support citizen advocacy for whatever institution that they were desirous of seeing have more funding. Oh, one of the things that concern me during that conversation was it sounded like they were only relying on citizens advocacy, and that it kind of made me a little mad because they were going to vote if counsel was going to vote to have something on the ballot, I think they had responsibility for advocating for it on their own. And it sounded from the political standpoint, that if if the public wasn’t supportive of the tax initiative that they were looking for a way to back out, you know, that they didn’t want to have their political capitals wandering on a proposal that the senators is well supported. And I understand your political enemies, but that just bothered me.

Unknown Speaker 1:58:01
Yeah, at the end,

Speaker 2 1:58:04
as you pointed out, liberal weighed in and said that the advisory boards couldn’t function in that advocacy role, which really surprised, really surprised. And I would say, I’m wondering whether there’s some way to appeal that or get a second opinion as to whether that’s definitive.

Speaker 3 1:58:32
I mean, I would hazard that we can’t, because we essentially we’re organized under the city council, we serve at their pleasure. In other words, we’re, as you know, friends of the library, the 501. C four, want to be advantages to being five, four verses of pregnancy three, as I understand it, can campaign and take a political position, it can be independent from whatever organizations were organized to support? I don’t think.

Speaker 2 1:59:10
Okay, so. So taking that argument, I would say, you know, one of the one of the things this board can do is present its opinion. So, if, if, in that process of presenting its opinion to city council, we lay out a strong statement one way or the other on whatever issue and say, This is our strong opinion. I don’t know why you can’t go back after the fact and say, you know, as a group, the advisory committee took this position based on the facts that we had in front of us without you know, necessarily being over political. But if it comes to a political issue, conundrum. No, we’re still citizens. And you can still take positions.

Speaker 3 2:00:08
True, the fine line is to me is that we probably couldn’t go out and visibly under the umbrella of the board, knock on doors, collect signatures on a petition, handout informational pamphlets that are exclusive to this particular initiative.

Unknown Speaker 2:00:29
That’s correct as a board

Speaker 2 2:00:34
as a board, but I think you can probably go knock on those doors and say, this is an important issue. And I know a little bit about it, because I happen to be on the advisory board, but I’m doing this as a citizen.

Speaker 4 2:00:51
It’s, it’s, it’s great. But it’s Yeah, but it’s the same gray area that staff have. So I can do the same thing as long as it’s done on the work time. But what does that mean for me? Right? Like, I mean, what, like, right now it’s work time. But most times, you could argue, some nights or weekends is not so I could certainly get out there and campaign on my own time. So, to me, the same thing would apply to board members as long as it’s on your own time and not as a representative of the board. But just as a citizen of longer.

Speaker 1 2:01:28
I have said to that I interpreted that to also mean that we couldn’t organize within this space that like if I happened to meet up with Mark while you’re out that would be different than us saying that within you know, this type of meeting is but we could ask for clarification

Speaker 5 2:01:47
that’s what I was gonna ask is legal resource for us because I I don’t have a law background so I’m not really sure like where like it might help if we can see kind of what they’re pulling from or what we what they’re basing it off of, I guess because I hear what you all are saying but I’m not really sure where that line is I guess

Speaker 2 2:02:07
I think it would be helpful to know where that one is because my legal statement in that meeting they’ve essentially wiped out the largest potential advocacy groups for this and it not just not us, but any of the boards but at the same time counsel was making statements to the fact that gee, we hope people will be out there advocating and in some respects, they were looking to the advocacy board to provide the manpower to do that. And it’d be just nice to know where they split that arrow

Unknown Speaker 2:02:48
to get clarification on

Unknown Speaker 2:02:52
yeah

Speaker 3 2:02:55
it’s not it’s definitely not in our bylaws. I don’t remember seeing anything

Unknown Speaker 2:02:59
I don’t think my recollection was ever wasn’t talking historically

Unknown Speaker 2:03:15
race this guy

Speaker 2 2:03:21
but we can we can certainly as a board certainly pass resolutions and put it out and talk in front of culturalism advisory body but

Unknown Speaker 2:03:37
it’s is well it

Unknown Speaker 2:03:39
still makes it difficult makes

Unknown Speaker 2:03:43
it kind of

Speaker 2 2:03:46
get my interpretation of what was happening in the meeting was there were a lot of cross currents there was there was this desire to have a ground up advocacy initiative

Unknown Speaker 2:04:00
for for whatever

Speaker 2 2:04:01
needed to the ballot or help make it to the ballot but at the same time the political side of life for for council was that they wanted they wanted a backdoor in his skin workout they want to

Speaker 1 2:04:25
sleep and seem to be that be a nice feeling burned like really changed so maybe not change that impacted how this has been like that was the first full and ice measure like to it was two years ago. There’s a fair amount put into it and it did not fit so pretty. Okay, pretty like

Speaker 3 2:04:48
a clarifying question about something that you said about your questions about the responses like maybe we should do some more surveying because Good morning Council wasn’t satisfied with the responses was that the number of responses or the nature of the responses that didn’t feel complete? To them?

Speaker 1 2:05:14
I’m trying to remember my sense was that there was there wanting to do that there was a desire for more specificity as to be in terms of, I mean, a better sense of for people, I would vote for the entertaining, or the entertainment Arts Center to not for the library or the for the library, but not for all these other improvements. So they wanted to be able to do like pick, be able to pick up the data a little bit more. And that it seems like the desire for a greater number of

Speaker 4 2:05:44
responses is I mean, like, yeah, my recollection of that was about like, refining. Okay, so here’s things that clearly were like not pulling well. So let’s take the stuff that did, and really refine it. And then it’s hard to get a sense of that. But I just, I don’t know that there. There really is going to be another survey

Speaker 2 2:06:06
sheet for my interpretation, since nothing pulled high enough to guarantee success. Yes, they were trying to find different combinations of initiatives that might generate that level of support. And that’s why they might be why they wanted to do additional forbid,

Speaker 3 2:06:31
yeah, I would pursue a different method. At this point, if I wanted additional information, I would not survey again, a lot of background in building administering analyzing survey data. And if you didn’t get it, the first time out, you’re not going to get a better response the second time, that’s just my experience.

Speaker 1 2:06:57
At the end of the series, he’s committed to the idea, a big group that did this survey based Magellan. So I think I think really, the question for that for us right now is what statement, if any, do we want to make to counsel? That is what I see is our course of action in this moment. But I’d be interested to hear from everyone else. Are we missing anything in terms of next steps for this? I might have seen and

Speaker 1 2:07:38
there was some comments about that, at the end of this meeting as well. I’m trying to remember from who they were friendly to him, but in terms of it ever need to reach out to the advisory boards. So hopefully, communications, that was that came up both.

Speaker 2 2:08:03
But just as a thought, but there’s probably a couple of ways to go. And I’m not I’m not sure where their heads are at right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:08:18
But I think it would

Speaker 2 2:08:19
be fair for us to just reiterate the position that we already put in front of them, that this is what we think is required that the feasibility study identified. concerns and we’ve feel it’s in the best interest of the community to address those concerns. And if the if the city is is I’m going to say this in a partial fashion. Probably shouldn’t be. But the city is not willing to address that challenge. And we think it should probably be addressed. In the District Library or some other supporting initiative. Mike’s pizza.

Speaker 1 2:09:11
So I have some language drafted that is to that letter, love to share with y’all, which but I do you know, we need to have a motion. In fact, we support putting that we want to share with the council that we support the inclusion of a ballot measure for library branch on the November 2023 ballot. So it seems to me that the best order would be to decide do in fact support that and if so, then what do we want to share with council surrounding that?

Speaker 2 2:09:44
Well, I think you have to go back to council based on the strong words they said last time to be in the field. There was support from organizations other than those supporting the cultural gap initiative. I think we I have to say they will race in our into how we do that, I guess can be behind it. But I think I think we really have to do. The thing that I’m not sure about is Gino witness makes the next council meeting.

Unknown Speaker 2:10:20
We know when

Unknown Speaker 2:10:23
we do a public review probably the money

Unknown Speaker 2:10:34
I felt I mean, I don’t know,

Unknown Speaker 2:10:36
I would have been great.

Speaker 4 2:10:40
Yeah, I know. That’s that’s where his knowledge that I don’t have.

Speaker 7 2:10:45
But I feel like I mean, well, I mean, you didn’t do it, you can do at any time.

Unknown Speaker 2:10:54
Sure, you can, yeah, should

Speaker 4 2:10:55
do, really, I mean, in given what they were expressing with the performing arts advocates being there. I think any meeting where library supporters are standing in front of the microphone, saying this is an absolute essential thing for the city to have a new library and an essential level of serve a preferred level of service as identified in the feasibility study. That can be the next meeting and the meeting after the meeting after I mean, that’s that’s what I was hearing from the council to it’s like, stand in front of me and tell me how important this is.

Speaker 1 2:11:30
Yeah, I find that I agree. And I am fully for as sending a statement to console and then I can go to the next meeting and be that person very public invited to be heard. I’m somewhat frustrated by that. Because the directions you’ve been given me not from Council, based on the city website, are to have either the chair or the staff liaison communicate before it’s because I used to counsel and I know we’ve used to be public invited to be heard before to success. But I feel like if that is an expectation

Speaker 2 2:12:07
that she didn’t see no censorship

Speaker 1 2:12:11
to me, but yeah, I so. So I am in agreement with all of that. So let’s I guess firstly, that sounds good. And I think we need to figure out what what type of statement we want to say. And then maybe we can figure out what we want to say at the next meeting. Does that sound good?

Unknown Speaker 2:12:27
Yeah, sure.

Unknown Speaker 2:12:28
But don’t don’t

Speaker 2 2:12:30
limit yourself or the group. I mean, you we can draft a position. Yeah. And it can be sent to council, the mayor and council and city management. I mean, you can do that. Yeah. And then it can also be taught to a counselor.

Unknown Speaker 2:12:49
Yeah, I mean, we need to do both. I mean, I that’s what I see is Does that make sense? Humor?

Speaker 3 2:12:57
Yeah. I’m, I’m thinking of wording because what I’m thinking that what I would want to say, if this is in fact true, is that having a ballot measure in 2023, November, is perhaps the best if not only way to grow the city’s library, within the constellation of all of these other city managed departments, the museum, the Rec Center, all of it. If that’s not going to fly, then I don’t I don’t see how it’s happening.

Unknown Speaker 2:13:47
Well, I don’t think it would be within the city.

Speaker 3 2:13:49
Right. Right. But so so in, in a way the council not the council making making it a little bit more challenging to get this on the ballot, needing to be convinced further. It is going to paint us into a corner which may or may not be what individuals want but

Speaker 2 2:14:19
exactly what they want. Okay, you can run out. This is this is this is overly harsh, but, you know, if it’s happened, this is my perception Council has all these competing needs. And everybody’s welcomed this bubble up their needs. And city staff solution is to try and put together some that’s number of initiatives to satisfy those concerns for the citizenry. But if it’s really not, it’s spected to go. I mean, if they really don’t vote for it, they can just run off the clock, because they didn’t mean to do addition of surveying, delay taking public delay writing the ballot language to the point where even if he wanted to advocate for it to be difficult, because the time left to touch all the bases is so small, that a good chance of success is pretty small.

Speaker 3 2:15:34
That they must know that the next most appealing option would be for us to pursue another district.

Speaker 1 2:15:39
Well, I mean, just to be sorry, just to just to clarify that this citizens group

Speaker 4 2:15:44
would be pursuing a district. I don’t think this wouldn’t be the board. Right. This would not

Speaker 6 2:15:49
be this. Right. Like it would be a citizen or committee. Yeah. Right.

Unknown Speaker 2:15:53
As soon as there’s a sort of thing. There’s a sort of subcategory.

Speaker 3 2:15:58
Okay. But they they must have an inkling that that is a potential step, which always I would imagine that the council would want to keep the library within the city’s curfew, necessarily.

Speaker 2 2:16:22
I think their preference would be, you know, based on what I’ve heard over the years, I can do a preference for two or three big reasons, I think. It had there not been an effort to try and create alternative funding options for the library, I don’t think the library would pop up this issue needs to be needs to receive additional funding, your predecessors will struggle to get the money. And things like the branch slot never bubbled up. Nobody ever made it.

Unknown Speaker 2:17:13
So do you have any insurance? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 2:17:24
Are you in session or? No, no,

Speaker 1 2:17:26
I just say connect and share my screen. Yeah, yeah, that’d be alright. I can join the session at that easier and share that way.

Speaker 4 2:17:35
My only thing was if if Suzy ended up joining.

Unknown Speaker 2:17:39
Yeah. Yeah, that makes

Unknown Speaker 2:17:41
it actually I want this committee.

Speaker 2 2:17:42
I wish Susie was here and participate. Because if we could deliver

Speaker 4 2:17:49
what Jeff said is that she was going to be late. Do you have an HT

Unknown Speaker 2:17:56
because we might be overreacting to

Speaker 1 2:18:02
under reacting or you’re reacting similarly to how I reacted and I can ever react to things. So this is some language that I that I drafted this is very much just a draft. Just wanted to start getting some ideas on paper to share with you

Unknown Speaker 2:18:19
all just a little bit

Unknown Speaker 2:18:28
otherwise, I’ll just repeat all I can do

Unknown Speaker 2:18:36
is to switch

Unknown Speaker 2:18:45
same problems all day today. I was just really glad it wasn’t in that moment earlier.

Speaker 1 2:19:02
Okay, here we go. So, once again, draft. These are my thoughts. Were Let’s tear it apart, come up with something a statement that we can share with council and then either to be shared next public might be heard, or something similar can be and that is, of course, speculative, that second sentence

Speaker 1 2:19:36
the organized opposition I’ll share that came up in the meeting as well. They wanted to be careful not to support all the measures that would have organized opposition

Speaker 3 2:19:45
understand that I like this so this disadvantage to not having it on the ballot is is political. Right, from the from counsels perspective, it would have to be a political one. Because Logically, if you put it on the ballot, and somebody didn’t agree with it, they don’t vote for it.

Unknown Speaker 2:20:13
Yeah, I think that there’s I think they’re wanting to try.

Unknown Speaker 2:20:17
My guest says that

Unknown Speaker 2:20:18
it’s more of which ballot measures

Speaker 3 2:20:24
oddities wanting to crowded with like 20 Different things that

Unknown Speaker 2:20:35
Well, I would say, get some comments about

Speaker 2 2:20:45
this these words, some comments back, if the city is unable to address this means that it should be District Library.

Speaker 1 2:21:03
So, maybe, maybe so we can bring it back to the feasibility study with that right up. So the and I have to get the credit, they definitely feasibility study, any year of usability shared, multiple options

Speaker 3 2:21:31
I’m saying thinking that, too, and wondering, like, it sounds too, too aggressive, to say, you know, if, if this is the basically, if this doesn’t make it onto a ballot, then we would interpret that as, you know, the city just not being interested in funding at this level, either through taxes or other means. And I’m just

Speaker 1 2:21:59
trying to think of like, mice, myself individually, what my own personal opinion is, and then what the scope of this board’s charges and how to, to balance those as well. So be sure if the funding options, one of which was that of a District Library, at that time, this board didn’t make a statement that out of the options for the District Library. seems most appropriate. So you might want to refer back to that statement as well.

Speaker 2 2:22:32
Again, this needs Wurtsmith. But the overall the overall situation is if this initiative doesn’t provide the funding for the library that it needs, then what’s next? I mean, really, I mean, so what are they saying is the next step with this doesn’t provide that funding? Are they saying that the library doesn’t get funded? Or are they saying that they’re open to funding through another initiative? I mean, they realize it’s, it’s like an unsolved set. What happens now?

Speaker 3 2:23:15
Because if we are the only initiative that approach the 60% threshold of support, and does that fit with those?

Speaker 1 2:23:23
This is what my understanding of does that fit with yours?

Unknown Speaker 2:23:27
That’s what I I hear.

Speaker 4 2:23:30
Yes, that’s the way I understood it. That’s the way I interpreted that. There was no other

Unknown Speaker 2:23:38
so that doesn’t feel suspension initiative on the ballot.

Speaker 2 2:23:46
There was 27% Definitely voted yes. And 29% probably look yes. So that’s

Unknown Speaker 2:24:00
that’s approaching.

Speaker 3 2:24:04
My point is, is that it was higher favorable responses than the other initiatives. Yeah. And it’s that’s not convincing them then what initiatives would be condensing

Unknown Speaker 2:24:17
unit for enhanced Dry Creek Park?

Speaker 5 2:24:26
For sentence keeping, keep the content but I would lead with a strong public library and then you can felt like particularly as a non transactional space. The content was reversed.

Speaker 1 2:24:40
That’s when I always like to hammer that point, because it just this is, of course, I believe that like parse in so many other spaces are foundational, but I mean, libraries are non transactional, and they’re the only indoor space not tricky to feed.

Unknown Speaker 2:24:59
We talk a lot about equity. If you don’t mind uh, yeah.

Speaker 4 2:25:04
employee opinion, I would, I would substitute foundational for Central. Yes.

Speaker 1 2:25:12
This is CCR. If anyone is on Google Docs and wants to get in here and edit directly that would be despite of me.

Speaker 8 2:25:30
People getting killed during the pandemic? Yes.

Speaker 4 2:25:39
I was pushing on. Essential. Yes. So it was fire police skills. So why Freddie’s?

Speaker 2 2:25:57
exactly did we say on April 17? Is this?

Speaker 1 2:26:04
Because today we’ve got to figure out what we’re holding

Speaker 2 2:26:16
there was no remember. Well, I was thinking when I was going back to the feasibility study, the feasibility study came in the Board may or may be strong statement of support for funding for the library, which also included the District Library is a former and current

Unknown Speaker 2:26:49
superintendent, we change the wording around as

Unknown Speaker 2:26:54
Okay, especially

Speaker 2 2:26:56
for if you want to avoid all that one. Cynthia, you can say over the last several years, the advisory board is is unanimous unanimously approved options as advanced as supported options that would have improved funding. Additional funding

Speaker 2 2:27:33
including both a ballot initiative and District Library for a separate ballot initiative initiative for districts because they both have to be valid.

Speaker 1 2:28:02
Okay, so maybe, maybe this needs to come. Maybe then at this point, we need this our primary concern, is that this? I mean, basically, we don’t even have to say this ballot initiative, our primary concern is that the library be funded at a

Unknown Speaker 2:28:21
recommended level of

Unknown Speaker 2:28:23
service or firm level

Speaker 1 2:28:25
or for being here. How many times have I said that Terminix.

Speaker 4 2:28:31
is the preferred level of service includes expense faces? Yeah. Well, this says I’m not just going into squatting plus or standard spaces. Yeah. Well,

Speaker 2 2:28:43
it’s the branch library. It’s super in Florida, right.

Speaker 3 2:28:49
I’m thinking about that last sentence of the second paragraph, we believe one month deserves that might be a place where you can reference that feasibility study again, say as the feasibility study indicates, we believe long on a community of what 90,000 People merits as as a community of 90 plus 1000 people. We met at a

Unknown Speaker 2:29:19
community approaching 100 wells,

Speaker 3 2:29:22
approaching 100,000 people. Yeah, like we’re one of the few that accessibility just like with equity. Those are like huge, right.

Unknown Speaker 2:29:40
Very sturdy, would you? Did you

Unknown Speaker 2:29:42
phrase that I’m sorry.

Speaker 4 2:29:44
This is good. We believe Walmart deserves a different level of service. So whatever, instead of well funded,

Unknown Speaker 2:29:53
or sustainably

Unknown Speaker 2:29:56
sustainably funded. I mean, the preferred level

Speaker 3 2:29:59
service that was called out in the feasibility study would be great. The but that level came out of wanting it to be sustainable over time and not just we want to buy a thing. You want to build a thing you should

Unknown Speaker 2:30:27
because it was a

Speaker 1 2:30:29
was a thing, this feasibility study is a proper noun, isn’t it? Yeah.

Speaker 4 2:30:36
It was chuckling wait is, is it’s grammar that you’re not wrong. It’s titled The feasibility study. So Jennifer?

Unknown Speaker 2:31:04
Obviously, it’s in paragraph I need to finish that last sentence.

Unknown Speaker 2:31:09
Longmont,

Speaker 4 2:31:11
I would say is a community of nearly a dozen since the worst.

Unknown Speaker 2:31:17
Yeah. Let’s see big ideas and words.

Speaker 3 2:31:21
I don’t like the connotation of deserves, because then it sounds like you are granting this thing based on like whether we like to meet to meet. Yes. It gets.

Speaker 4 2:31:38
Nice. Bla quarters. Yeah, it’s

Unknown Speaker 2:31:42
liar’s loans.

Unknown Speaker 2:31:49
But you can you can,

Unknown Speaker 2:31:53
referring to what the feasibility study indicates, so

Speaker 3 2:31:59
Walmart’s library requires a sustainable system requires sustainable funding at the preferred level of service. Services I like, put on one second, let me finish this lesson. It’s

Unknown Speaker 2:32:18
just remember, you offered the

Unknown Speaker 2:32:18
typing. Oh, that’s fine. I do this all day.

Unknown Speaker 2:32:23
I will be working with this. Okay, so.

Speaker 1 2:32:37
Wait, so let’s get the second paragraph for now. Those last two paragraphs is this. Do we think we can change that language? But is this clear? And is it strong?

Speaker 3 2:33:22
That sentence, that first sense, our primary concern is that the bow we’re asking for a ballot measure. All right, in the first paragraph, but then we’re saying in the third paragraph, we also are concerned that that’s that’s still not going to be enough. So do you want to take it there? At that moment?

Speaker 1 2:33:43
I was like, I think it was it does this. Yeah. You also may

Speaker 5 2:33:49
say like the council should also keep in mind or consider some sort of wording.

Unknown Speaker 2:33:54
Yes. From that perspective. And it will feel like

Speaker 4 2:33:58
a branch library gets us in the right direction, for sure. For sure. Right. But it’s something different. There’s still something that hit that preferred level service, but this would be a great start.

Unknown Speaker 2:34:15
I mean, I don’t know. Right?

Speaker 3 2:34:16
That makes it nice and positive. Yeah, this is a first step toward the preferred level of service as outlined in the feasibility study.

Speaker 1 2:34:29
Alright, so the board supports this ballot measure.

Speaker 1 2:34:48
And I actually have to get the correct name of the feasibility study is senior consulting. Sure. There’s that

Unknown Speaker 2:35:03
And now how does that

Speaker 1 2:35:12
maybe we want to change your primary concern here are our hope or desire

Unknown Speaker 2:35:23
Our ultimate goal is yeah

Unknown Speaker 2:35:31
thanks for being very quiet

Unknown Speaker 2:36:13
you when you want to

Speaker 2 2:36:21
get into aircraft, how you feel about setting set the last several years the advisory board against funding for water cooling, a general fund ballot initiative and an initiative for a district leverage for library for the library

Speaker 1 2:37:27
All right, so let’s just go over one more time. If this sounds good to everyone, strong Public Library’s essential, I would say not supporting that building an equitable community

Unknown Speaker 2:37:43
I don’t think it’s a support. I think it’s elevational

Speaker 1 2:37:47
I don’t know if this last phrase really needs to be here if it makes a point or not.

Speaker 3 2:37:58
That’s not what about just a strong Public Library’s essential to an equitable community. Oh, yeah. Building implying that we don’t have one goal. That’s good.

Unknown Speaker 2:38:11
I don’t think you need to let us pause

Unknown Speaker 2:38:18
right and then of course we need to change this face on reduce

Unknown Speaker 2:38:22
agree or not I was

Unknown Speaker 2:38:28
less positive, you

Speaker 4 2:38:31
know, what about that it’s a non transactional

Unknown Speaker 2:38:38
don’t like that language?

Unknown Speaker 2:38:42
Well, they wonder is it down

Speaker 2 2:38:44
a little bit? Seems like your last sentence. The second paragraph is this tag.

Unknown Speaker 2:38:51
And then do we want to add to that?

Unknown Speaker 2:38:55
Probably combine that with the sentence before it.

Unknown Speaker 2:38:59
So we believe that as

Speaker 3 2:39:01
a community of nearly 100,000 Walmart requires a sustainably funded library

Unknown Speaker 2:39:15
Yep, and then I think we get into the preferred level

Unknown Speaker 2:39:29
as well

Speaker 1 2:39:35
twice right when you write when you write it out, and then you smell it, so I’m gonna check that thing ability sustainably. Oh, thanks.

Unknown Speaker 2:39:46
What do you have to check?

Speaker 1 2:39:47
Oh, I can’t remember if you spell it out, or if you write out 100,000

Unknown Speaker 2:39:51
It depends

Speaker 3 2:39:52
on the style guide that you’re following. APA

Unknown Speaker 2:39:58
style guide are following you This is what I write in or

Speaker 4 2:40:06
go to site, it’s much easier to see the number of AdVenture Media.

Unknown Speaker 2:40:09
Oh, that’s interesting. So like that.

Unknown Speaker 2:40:14
It’s just the impact

Unknown Speaker 2:40:15
think he should make Mo, even bigger?

Unknown Speaker 2:40:24
Shouting? Yeah. Are you gonna speak to? why that happened?

Unknown Speaker 2:40:37
Well, if we’re,

Speaker 1 2:40:39
if we’re alright, with this statement, I can I can do a little lol look over. Like I said, I think I need to make sure that spelling see you’re consulting right. And like, I can’t remember the suitability or the feasibility study have name besides a feasibility study? I don’t look that up.

Speaker 3 2:40:59
The long Public Library feasibility study based a secret is spelled correctly?

Unknown Speaker 2:41:12
And is it senior consulting? Or is like senior consulting LLC,

Unknown Speaker 2:41:16
senior consulting s PC?

Unknown Speaker 2:41:21
Right, this is

Speaker 3 2:41:24
something professional consultant, and the Society of Professional consultants.

Speaker 1 2:41:34
All right, are we good to go with this thing that I mean, we have to first decide if we want to build, and then what that would be, and perhaps were, the highlight of this building language may change. So I’m gonna go ahead and change that.

Unknown Speaker 2:41:54
So I guess at this point,

Speaker 1 2:41:56
we need to figure out if we want to pass a measure that supports the inclusion of it as a ballot measure for labor grants on November 2023. So I I knew and I believe I can do this market looking to you. So let me know rules and regulations. If they can’t, I believe I can put forward a proposal to this group. So I propose that the scores are just include that passes and measure that you support the inclusion of a ballot measure for library branch on the November 2023. Ballot.

Unknown Speaker 2:42:40
All in favor. Okay. So that language

Unknown Speaker 2:42:45
is not people anymore.

Unknown Speaker 2:42:47
And can we all

Unknown Speaker 2:42:48
show up?

Unknown Speaker 2:42:50
Oh, we unanimously.

Speaker 2 2:42:54
There’s a too late and then we should I guess also the language.

Speaker 1 2:43:08
We have to Oh, yes. Okay. Thanks. Um, so juicy. I can I can share that exact wording. Yeah, let me go ahead and pass this to you. You don’t mind? That’s, it’s not related students there. Okay, so that motion passed. Next motion? I move that we send the communication. Just words to to city council is our thoughts on this matter?

Unknown Speaker 2:43:46
I think you should include city manager. Jeff? The assistant city. Okay. Would you recommend anybody else?

Speaker 4 2:44:02
Know what the city manager’s office? Oh, I’ll well, I’m just thinking that that hits your city manager or assistant city managers, finance and anyone that would want to see.

Speaker 2 2:44:19
Okay, well, I don’t know that. I don’t know that. But in the past, we’ve just targeted individuals.

Speaker 4 2:44:24
Okay. City Manager covers and so on. And you’re fine.

Unknown Speaker 2:44:28
Right? What about Jeff?

Unknown Speaker 2:44:33
And Jeff. Jeff would be part of that.

Speaker 1 2:44:36
Alright, so let me amend that previous mission that we will be sending this communication to city council, the city manager’s office, Jeff and other relevant stakeholders. A second. And then I think the vended Let’s vote again. On favor. All right. If you’re able to get that

Unknown Speaker 2:45:04
So Jeff’s boss is

Unknown Speaker 2:45:09
Jody, joy,

Speaker 2 2:45:11
joy to your ceremonies, such that you’re right. So she should probably get it.

Unknown Speaker 2:45:18
Oh, yeah. Now

Speaker 1 2:45:21
as our staff liaison, does this communication come directly from me? Or does it as our staff liaison? Can we send it to you and forward it out on our behalf?

Unknown Speaker 2:45:34
Historically, we just said,

Speaker 4 2:45:36
that’s what I say. And not historically.

Speaker 2 2:45:41
No, I’ve been well, we just have to set it up rather than drag. Because the board? Yeah, it’s not. It’s not advocating or not advocating he’s independent.

Speaker 1 2:45:57
Right, so soon as Members, is there like a single email address? Or do we send it to each of theirs? individually? How are you doing that?

Speaker 2 2:46:08
I used to go back and look at shipping long, because I could never figure it out. Unless you have something that like the city directly, but I never had a lot of

Unknown Speaker 2:46:24
just a city council like, group.

Unknown Speaker 2:46:27
But

Speaker 2 2:46:30
I think when you go through the website, though, it gets stilted. It like either goes to the clerk’s office or goes to some other some other intermediary, so that, again, historically, we’ve just sent it directly on behalf of the Advisory Board, making sure that the mayor and council

Speaker 1 2:46:54
see and since we’re sorry, Mark, I feel like I’m being very honest. This is where I’m confused because I’m not how do we get the neutral city council members emails?

Unknown Speaker 2:47:03
First and

Speaker 2 2:47:04
that’s that’s that’s smart. Form Google the same content Google city. See this is the problem by the city line. It’s the it’s the monthly utilities

Unknown Speaker 2:47:25
out yet.

Speaker 2 2:47:26
Alright. comes to the pillow. That’s Google. Google that and then in the body of that they always list the emails of counsel de mer.

Speaker 1 2:47:45
This is maybe the question. Okay, great. So I have all this now. City or city manager’s office.

Unknown Speaker 2:47:54
Otherwise I would just do Herald domain this is a lot more.

Unknown Speaker 2:48:02
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Unknown Speaker 2:48:05
Colorado. state insurance

Unknown Speaker 2:48:14
for screwing us up tricky.

Unknown Speaker 2:48:18
So Harold

Unknown Speaker 2:48:29
Sorry, what was that again? How does the biggest

Unknown Speaker 2:48:31
one not Colorado?

Speaker 1 2:48:34
And well that we need other individual email addresses. Jeff, obviously, Jeff.

Speaker 4 2:48:43
I mean, do you want all those city council members?

Speaker 1 2:48:46
So I have all the city council members do I was able to find those through the city line. I just wasn’t sure if there any other staff

Unknown Speaker 2:48:54
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Speaker 4 2:49:00
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just Marsh on my Colorado. All right. I’ll get that out tomorrow morning.

Unknown Speaker 2:49:19
I don’t want to do it right now.

Speaker 2 2:49:20
Yeah, right. Just make sure you reference that which is coming from you the chair first.

Speaker 1 2:49:37
Whatever that offers. Hey, great. Any other comments on this agenda item before you move on? We’re back to where

Speaker 9 2:49:47
you want to talk about going to a meeting. Oh, yes, please. Yes.

Speaker 1 2:49:52
So I could be at the next scene. I believe that people treat We heard I wouldn’t be able to stay for anything besides fighting to be heard. But it does seem like the time to do that. Anyone else available if anyone else would prefer to go instead? I’d be happy to relinquish that.

Speaker 5 2:50:19
I would prefer but I would probably be available to go as well. Flying the night forces on

Unknown Speaker 2:50:28
April 21.

Unknown Speaker 2:50:31
I should be able to go that I’ve got

Speaker 3 2:50:35
pretty much all week. So I’d be there in the same capacity that you are. Yeah. You can’t stay

Unknown Speaker 2:50:42
cool

Speaker 2 2:50:51
if I can go. I can’t go. I think you need to be verbal yet.

Speaker 4 2:51:06
So I think the next according to the website, I think the next meeting is on the 25th. That’s what we’re calling.

Unknown Speaker 2:51:15
Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 2:51:19
So right now, so you’re late. Yeah. So I forget it. John didn’t say anything. So my thought is to pretty much just read what we shared, even though it will be the second time they’ve heard it. Does that match with you all’s thoughts as well,

Speaker 2 2:51:40
you may have to do one or two lively and like, oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah. I’m here to represent people sitting here represent the unanimous resolution from the library advisory board being as long as under three minutes.

Speaker 6 2:52:00
We have other private citizens who show up. Great echo support. Even better

Unknown Speaker 2:52:06
even. I would say that better.

Speaker 3 2:52:09
So with that in mind, would I be able to share this with the friends? Yes. I think that actually,

Speaker 1 2:52:19
is a really good idea. And I think that if you put the be beneficial,

Unknown Speaker 2:52:27
I know one or two that’ll come out.

Speaker 6 2:52:31
Great. For sure. Because it’s a great idea.

Unknown Speaker 2:52:37
Fortunately, their meeting is the next night or two nights later,

Unknown Speaker 2:52:43
for sure.

Speaker 3 2:52:47
No, I think I think Sharon will come out. I think those are also some strong minded individuals on that board. Or they they make come out both

Unknown Speaker 2:53:01
multiple.

Unknown Speaker 2:53:07
Any other very good ideas like that that were missing,

Unknown Speaker 2:53:13
they aren’t going to go.

Unknown Speaker 2:53:17
I will I will definitely tweet parents reading the statement, hopefully to see this as best as we can extend

Speaker 2 2:53:25
just a couple organizational tips for you. If you want to get in and get up, get your name

Unknown Speaker 2:53:34
at 645 645.

Speaker 2 2:53:37
Six. There’s a lot of interest. It just depends what the council’s debating. But the earlier you get your name on there, the earlier you can get it

Speaker 2 2:53:59
and keep them on our website to make sure that

Unknown Speaker 2:54:03
yes

Unknown Speaker 2:54:09
but not frequently occur.

Speaker 4 2:54:19
Right, let’s move on actually, is our next order of business. Okay. So I didn’t include this in the packet. But I met with white leadership team shorter. So this could be considered a draft action plan that we started that we discussed last week that I would prepare basically outlining basically five over all sorts of topics or goals for the year. thing that we want to accomplish. And this is sort of how I’ve approached this previously, as I discussed last month, and this kind of format, right, so. So we identified these five areas of the patrons, def, security, communication, customer experience, question development, and outreach and partnerships. And then within there, there’s some more specifics. Things you want to do now, given that it’s mid April, I sort of operated under the idea that under normal circumstances, we would have started preparing an actual plan in November, December. But I don’t want to lose sight of things that I would have put in there, like implementing and installing the sorter, which is a huge thing. The sorters done. So it’s, it needs to be there. But it’s also something we can check off right away. So nothing wrong with that, right? You want to be able to Yeah, so So I kind of backtrack a little bit on there with some of these, but there’s plenty in here, you know, looking ahead of things and you know, I

Unknown Speaker 2:56:13
get some momentum? Yeah,

Speaker 4 2:56:16
I think it’s, it’s a good exercise like that. It gets the team thinking about, like, you know, what are we doing? What do we need to look at kind of this year, what are our priorities. And, you know, we just started talking, and then I kind of as I hurt people, I grouped them into these categories of kind of machines that I was hearing. You know, securities and big buildings, some of this stuff is already in place, I already have a contacted and have a scheduled or not scheduled, but the lighting in our ancient and lobby is horrible. It’s horrible, and it’s in that it falls within a security issue. But a lot of these cross lines, right, that’s also a customer experience issue, if you can see, but you know, coordinate system. I’m just saying customer experience. No, I think generally we hear we use patron. I’ve been in libraries that use customers, I’ve been in others and use guest the Disney model. And that’s not exactly what they’re doing. In Disney has something there, I will admit, like, it just has a whole different meaning members I stay away from because then people will have a library card, they may not feel welcome. But that’s not true. You can come in here without a library card. So patrons always fall back. I don’t know that I’m crazy about it. But I don’t want to call it hatred experience. I feel like customer experience has a people people here that they know what that means. That means providing something of value to people that are here or online. So and there’s a lot you can see within within customer experience. And feel like that’s probably one of our highest priorities with some of these things. You know, what, have you kind of plans at this now? So it’s certainly something we can revisit next month. You know, if you don’t want to?

Unknown Speaker 2:58:23
Have you submitted yourself, you

Speaker 4 2:58:25
know, not yet that’s that’s part of my director update to kind of talk about that a little bit, but we’ll that’ll be a focus on our main meeting.

Unknown Speaker 2:58:35
Okay, so would it be safe to say that your budget

Speaker 4 2:58:41
what this this is all for this year’s budget? So yes, okay. Does when when we talk about budget 2024 and budget planning, right. Yeah, great. Great.

Unknown Speaker 2:58:55
This is a lot.

Unknown Speaker 2:58:57
This is like breaking news circulation that,

Speaker 4 2:59:00
yeah, that’s a project but that it was something that was started at one point. And so when we were talking about that needs to be finished, because it’s important. There’s a lot that goes on at our circ desk, and there’s no shortage of information that people need to know. And it’s, it’s handy to have something to refer back to. And anyone at any desk can perform a certain task. So it’s helpful.

Speaker 4 2:59:31
It is a lot, but I can tell you some things like even within security, all of these are underway right now. I mean, the full time Campus Security attendant, that recruitment just closed on Saturday, so we’ll be interviewing within the next week in hiring so it’ll get checked off maybe when our main meeting in response to that, yes.

Speaker 3 3:00:00
Yeah, I think it would be cool to see this. I’m not asking you to do this. But if I saw this as a dashboard that had sort of like, indicators alongside of, you know, where this just started, not started Yes, way through almost done, you know, then I think the overall impact would be Yeah. Maybe not initially, like going up so much, you know, all right. Things are in process. They’re trucking along, there’s a good balance between new initiatives and almost completed tasks. And this is just for 2023.

Unknown Speaker 3:00:40
Correct. Are

Speaker 1 3:00:45
you about the policy? Is that just are there major changes that you think will happen to the computer use policy? Well,

Speaker 4 3:00:53
it was something so here’s what I understand. We don’t have one. Oh, A? And B. Yeah. Wow, was was my first thought. But there, there was a staffing effort before I was here. And a group that was formed to create a computer use policy recognizing the need for something like that. And I’m not really sure what happened. I mean, I’m sure the transition of directors and then not really having any clear direction, on how to proceed with that. So you know, I want to put that group back together, or some form of that group back together and finish that, or wherever they were at. I’m not really clear. But there certainly it was started on some level.

Unknown Speaker 3:01:42
This is really helpful. Again, to see a sense.

Speaker 4 3:01:50
Yeah, you know, and like I said, I know there’s a lot here, we could certainly come back next month. And if you have questions on something, or even concerns about something, or ideas for things or not seeing, what about this, you know, we can talk about that. And then, you know, maybe after that meeting, I can kind of call finalized for staff. And then, and then, following that, I would, I would report on it here, either like this or that Jamie’s suggestion, which I like in a dashboard. So you can visually see where we’re at.

Unknown Speaker 3:02:28
I asked what the new library card

Speaker 4 3:02:31
means. So we Yeah, it’s I mean, it’s, it’s fairly basic in the sense that our library cards or the stash that we have, is getting low, and it’s time to reorder. But we’re not going to just reorder the style of card we have. We’re working on a new design, and also to have it be packaged with a car, a library card, and then a keychain library card, which libraries do. And we haven’t done here. So. So that’s that’s in process. I mean, we’re actually just waiting on the vendor to come back with modifications to the design we gave, which,

Unknown Speaker 3:03:12
which I’ll share what I have

Unknown Speaker 3:03:12
it. And then the keychain version of that.

Speaker 2 3:03:32
Without being overly deep. How do you verify that ROI?

Speaker 4 3:03:40
Well, that’s an interesting question, because I put this on here. And then it came from my adult services, head of adult services. She was the one that brought that to me. And, you know, I kind of had this list, right? And says, Well, that’s good to get what’s our return on investment on spending on digital resources and databases? So I just emailed her late this afternoon, saying, What what are you looking for here? So I’ll be able to answer that a little bit better. But, you know, kind of real really trying to see, you know, basically, I mean, some of its usage, right? Are Are we getting? Is the usage, and then if you calculate kind of what you’re paying per year for subscription, per use, is it worth it? You know, if you if you break that down, maybe you’re using a database or accessing something that’s costing maybe $6 per use, is that worth? And if not, what do you do? It doesn’t mean necessarily get rid of it, but what do you do to increase your usage? To make sure that the investment in these extremely pricing resources are worth your while?

Speaker 2 3:04:53
Do you think this is something I’ve often wondered, do you think the public understand all uncertainties I remember

Speaker 4 3:05:02
generally no. I think that’s something that it’s a common theme in public libraries where there’s so much there, and I think a lot of the public doesn’t have any clue all the stuff that we have. That’s my perception. And that’s a, you know, it’s a marketing issue. And, and that is kind of perfect. Maybe that’s something that can be expanded upon within either communication or customer experience, as far as, you know, building better lines for making that the outcome? No, we do we do a good job of that through outreach. So in our outreach, about person, I would say team, which is a team of one, when you know, when she’s out there, she’s she’s pushing this stuff, and really creating a lot of what level awareness, but that’s one person,

Unknown Speaker 3:05:57
LCC, I’ve also seen

Speaker 4 3:05:59
good stuff on social media and hiding, so we have a marketing person that she’s she’s a part of the city’s central communications team. But she is stationed here, and I would say 90% of our job is only on library marketing and communications. So we benefit from that, in that sense, we’re so if you are seeing that that’s good, because that’s what shouldn’t be happening.

Speaker 2 3:06:24
My perception is you have historically done a great job with a lot of things that people just on your stand. Right? Because yeah.

Speaker 1 3:06:42
So to see St. Brain, County Library Project, where does that.

Speaker 4 3:06:49
So that’s, I mean, that’s been accomplished on one level with one of the elementary schools, I think it’s the elementary might be a middle school, don’t quote me on that, but and that’s a bit of work. So basically, the their ID cards will, that they all get will function as a library card here without actually having to have a library. Or, I mean, you’re certainly welcome to, but that way they can access everything in their student ID. And there’s there’s a lot behind the scenes that goes into that. So we did some testing with one of the schools, it was successful as far as you know, their library cards transferring and integration within our libraries within our ILS. So all that work, so now we want to get more and get other schools on board. But it’s with that kind of thing. Depending on the school, but you know, there’s so many privacy laws for schools and students that you have to really be careful of how you’re capturing student data within our system. And, and making sure it’s anonymized. So a lot of technical work goes in the background so that it can work, but we don’t actually know who the student is.

Speaker 1 3:08:10
So to see Frank currently have their own set of databases,

Speaker 4 3:08:15
I don’t know. But but in generally, my experience, at least in most places, I’ve been in as school districts more and more have less and less to put into library resources, including databases, so they rely on public libraries, which is why this is critical to make sure that their ease of access into what we can provide to our databases is is there and there’s not roadblocks.

Speaker 1 3:08:44
I really love that are doing that. My understanding is that BVSD equal to public

Speaker 8 3:08:48
have that set up so I think that’s wonderful. Yeah.

Speaker 4 3:08:54
I mean, the goal and I don’t know that it’ll be within a year but it would be to have every school within this district on board. But you’re dealing with this individual schools, IT departments. It’s not like just wasn’t that physical, maybe Middle School. Because I can’t remember who we started. We kind of started with one school, which was before I got here and started doing a bunch of testing. So maybe it was a middle school

Speaker 3 3:09:30
and a tiny sample that I have a middle school. I think child’s ID. They don’t have like a an ID number. That’s what I was going for. Yes, but my older one has a card with your photo and name on it. Yeah, the younger one. Just gotta memorize for number

Unknown Speaker 3:09:52
to me that the numbers will be lower.

Speaker 3 3:09:55
So then what would you be presenting you would be Type the student would be typing that in.

Unknown Speaker 3:10:06
That would go in

Speaker 4 3:10:08
Yeah, I mean, I doubt that would work. But ideally, they would hand over an ID or a piece of mentary school that mom or mom or dad or whoever would present that. But like a physical,

Unknown Speaker 3:10:21
it could be

Unknown Speaker 3:10:27
my child’s just,

Unknown Speaker 3:10:30
it could be I don’t know.

Speaker 1 3:10:34
Well, I don’t want to cut the conversation short, I am looking at time together. In either comments, at this point on that action

Unknown Speaker 3:10:46
update.

Speaker 4 3:10:51
One thing that’s on there is a new library brochure. And I just, I can just pass this around, and we have on human gentleman, that desk, but this is on there, because it was something we did start in January, we didn’t have a good or we had an outdated brochure or a piece of paper, of the what we had, I just thought I didn’t like it. So Heidi, our marketing person that we have she she created this kind of smaller, something that people can have that isn’t overwhelming in size. And so anyway, it’s on here, but feel free to take a look as we continue.

Speaker 1 3:11:33
Well, I will put this on the agenda item on our list for next week. So we can add any, as you mentioned, and any follow ups. It’s been the amount of time you’re still up.

Unknown Speaker 3:11:47
Yeah, I am. And so I think I was gonna share

Unknown Speaker 3:12:05
my screen sharing a picture of this?

Speaker 4 3:12:06
No, not at all. Yeah, and if we can really like the size of

Speaker 3 3:12:16
this seeing the SharePoint item, make better use of SharePoint for internal

Unknown Speaker 3:12:25
it’s worthwhile, but the struggle is

Speaker 6 3:12:27
real. Yeah, we’re going through that. Now. I don’t know

Speaker 4 3:12:30
any organization that takes on SharePoint that doesn’t have struggles. It’s just, you know, and I mean, I’ll share my own thoughts. I’m comfortable with most things, but SharePoint to me is not intuitive at all, and it’s overwhelming. And I think some people are just like, Oh, forget it, no, there’s no way but it’s actually a place for file sharing. So let me my monthly highlights so I I’ll touch on this included in the packet if you happen to read we’ve got some feedback from some of our hometown patrons that I thought was really worth sharing just because and that’s the stuff I’ve set up before but stories are what sells I think so you can have all the data you want but when you hear that kind of thing it just someone’s life is so impacted by a service that you do that into your point mark, it’s something that not is not well known.

Speaker 2 3:13:39
Well, I was just looking at this this is a great first step and that helps people get get their heads around the things that they can get the library

Speaker 4 3:13:53
so I can kind of show you what else this month is going on. Or what happened in March, I should say April so starting with children team some things here with with steam programming.

Speaker 4 3:14:16
Yeah, the March science program was really good craft storytime. Some good turnouts for these things. As you all know and I will be talking about this more moving talk budget next time with our programs when we need supplies or things to do a craft program 100% Friends support. We have no budget for this ourselves and it doesn’t make any sense to me. So that’s going to be one of the things I put in there. But we put it works so in with the friends we can put on new programs. So So children’s was busy in March and don’t get busier to wait till somebody comes in We just kind of go through these in the interest of time. Tina tweens is picking up, we have a new teen librarian. Now, that was a new position that was flushed before last year this year. So you’ll see some increase in teen activities. Kind of getting going, she just started, symptoms are so

Speaker 4 3:15:34
this is the fun part about our program credits, the kids combo class.

Speaker 4 3:15:46
So, as usual, children’s does a lot. These are some of the standing programs for storytime every time. We we’ve talked about staff visits, I believe that we’ll start with me, by the way, and in fact, children’s is going to come to the present and talk a little more about children’s programming as to what they do, and what it means that impacts. So some of the numbers from children’s from March. And then going through adults. We did let’s see, what do they do, or the Agile presentation that was that’s the pictures here. So that was a cultural event that we did actually in the city council chambers, because he knew the turnout will be bigger, but we can manage here. So that was a really successful program. I’ll be happy to talk next month to talk about April because just yesterday we had an offer from Eric crowd Krause, who wrote a really good book about her PII. She was hired as a PII to start getting into April. The books called Tell me everything. And it’s it’s about CU Boulder and a bunch of unfortunate events with sexual assault from football players recruits, and ended up with a firing of coach at the time. It was in the early 2000s. Yeah, while she was involved. Fascinating story anyway, kick her on, because that’s my teaser for next month, because it was it was so good. Anyway, so adult, and then they do a lot, I only have a picture of some of their finger programs. But a lot of us are standing programs that we do we always get turnout. But we keep on because someone’s gonna do these or we’ll drop in almost like passive programming like we’re there. But people can come or not, but we keep them going as long as enough people come in,

Unknown Speaker 3:18:00
on average.

Speaker 4 3:18:03
That’s our podcast. Oh, wow. We have a podcast. Yeah, yeah, it gets a lot. I encourage you if you have discovered that they do book reviews.

Speaker 4 3:18:22
And actually, that’s, that’s supported through law. We use their facilities to do that. Partnership. So

Speaker 2 3:18:33
there’s clearly a lot of data there. Yeah, you see, see yourself trend, trend app or establish second reference statistics to know whether you’re on track with what you want to do or off track.

Unknown Speaker 3:18:54
You know, when it’s

Speaker 4 3:18:59
not necessarily. I mean, it’s what you want is, I mean, what I want. Attendance is one thing, but what’s the impact for someone that attended. And that’s what’s not captured here. This is just showing how many people showed up in your writers group. What I want to know is how many people those writers group are having some success, maybe they’re getting published, or maybe, you know, something like that. That’s feedback, we need to figure out how to get. That being said, if we host a writers group, and no one comes, then we need to shift and look at something else that will be meaningful for

Unknown Speaker 3:19:39
the community. Yeah, I understand what you’re saying. And I don’t disagree. I just, you know, for me, I will just need to look at something over time to say whether it is trending in the right direction.

Speaker 4 3:19:55
Yeah, I mean, there there. There’s definitely some level of that too. With with the numbers, but it’s hard to, for me, it’s hard to get like a baseline of what does that look like? Because it shifts, all this stuff shifts in your community interest shifts and what you’re doing. So it’s great for a while, and then all sudden, it’s not. So then what are you

Speaker 2 3:20:17
doing? Well, and I don’t know how far back your statistics go to whether you could establish the reference period.

Unknown Speaker 3:20:25
Yeah, I mean, they’re probably back far enough

Unknown Speaker 3:20:29
to kind of gather.

Unknown Speaker 3:20:39
Okay, outreach.

Speaker 4 3:20:43
Again, this is a team of why she’s doing a ton of stuff, hitting a lot of people out there. They’re really reaching a lot of people out there with where she’s going, which is subsidy facilities, and a lot of that are not like when she goes to the Mexican markets, and just stands out there. And every time she goes, she issues new libraries. And someone doesn’t know at all what we offer, and some don’t know where we are. So that’s the importance of this type of thing and why this position exists, and why I want to grow it by the way. She went to the Latino Chamber of Commerce, they gave her membership for a year. She was awesome. So that’s, that’s a whole new realm of networking, in that area for her and getting a lot of business and community support for library. All this stuff can help me when I think about, like, who comes to council meetings like this is, in my mind, Boise outside of ourselves or yourselves. So Lily, and this is really and she’s my outreach librarian if you have a better. And so she’s she’s really good about documenting her experiences with this stuff. And getting photos and data, which will be down here at the end,

Unknown Speaker 3:22:14
right?

Speaker 4 3:22:17
Yeah, this is new. She, she just, she’s perfect for this role. Because she just walks into places in New York, I want to stand here and talk about the library. They look at her and they say, Okay. If I did that, they would be like, Yeah, but she, she has that magic. She has that magic. So? So yes, it is, we’ll see how this goes. But right away, you know, she’s, this is just one day, you know. So She records the stats by how many people she talks to. But it could be also one person, and she’ll kind of document what the different questions they may have. Right? So it’s they may ask about library cards, but then they mess by something else. And so to her, that’s two different things. And so that’s kind of how she reported stuff. So there’s like, her mother, who reports to me, by the way, I’m sharing with you about three or four first lines is no less than 25. So I just, I’m just giving you a snapshot, real snapshot of it. But here’s some stats of what she did. I even went with her to the Optimist Club at Perkins. And we talked to the Optimist Club about the library. And they loved her, of course, I went because they told me they had questions about the future of the library. I did want her to have to answer those. And they were just kind of curious what what things look like, not everyone was aware of what’s going on potential ballot initiatives and stuff. So what are they doing this kind of? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, in fact, to that point, I mean, the person that charges for reached out to me because he, in his day job he works for habitat is a Habitat for Humanity that builds homes. And so they’re planning they’re kind of been planning to do some type of thing when Jimmy Carter dies. And he asked if he could do it at the library. And it’s basically would be like this, like a physical wall that they can talk about Habitat for Humanity and kind of garner support. So I think it’s fine as long as you’re not asking for a city property. So maybe if if I give him that it’s all say so this is kind of what we’re Lily enhance a lot. Of course, a lot of schools and then the children’s department themselves at school. So that’s another avenue for outreach. That’s not Well, no, it is within here. She captures their stats anyway, they do more classroom visits. And William doesn’t work like school events, like if they have a nighttime event or something. Winters a little bit quieter. I say that, but you can see what she’s still getting out there, it doesn’t really matter. They don’t get a lot busier as it gets warmer, because she’ll be in the parks and things like that. And that’s that. That stuff for most of the province

Unknown Speaker 3:25:35
with any budget updates?

Speaker 4 3:25:37
Yeah, well, I wanted I mean, I think we’ll talk about a little bit more, but I did want to share, just so you know, where my mind’s at, on some things that I intend to put in the budget. And that way you guys can kind of think about this. And maybe we can talk about a little bit more, you might have more. What do you mean by that are how much you asking that will be more next month, but I did want to share. So I talked about outreach, that that Tina, one got needs, that needs more staff, if we’re going to really be successful. Right now million doesn’t herself, or she relies on the generosity of existing staff and their managers to allow them to get away from a public service desk, go out with her somewhere. And I don’t think that that’s sustainable, it’s great, I love that staff are getting out. And they’re engaging with the community on a different level than being behind a desk. But I don’t know that we can rely on that all the time. So that’s going to be a big ask, increase the temp wages. So we you know, we have a number of part time staff that are technically called temporary staff. And we need it’s basically like a bucket. It’s a bucket of money. And the other advantage of having that increased is when we need extra staff. So again, circling back to outreach, someone who’s part time, they can actually work extra hours and go to some of these outreach events. Right now we’re pretty tight. So if I had some flexibility with these wages, also, we could actually recruit impossibly recruit and have like, a an army of substitutes. We’re not necessarily here every day, but we are on call, that will when we’re short staffed, we can call it we don’t have that ability right now. With our collections need to increase one is pre processing, because that has a cost in order to have books and other materials come in shelf ready right now we do it all ourselves, that takes an enormous amount of time. And as a service, paying for it is well worth it. But we need to increase the budget to accommodate it. And then we really need money to increase our digital collections. We’re not offering enough for a community of nearly 100,000. We talked about this year strategic planning, I think to that, right, I want to budget for consulting fees for that to make sure we’re approaching it in the best way we can. Professional Development, really small budget, and I’m a big advocate for that. Training and giving staff opportunities and it just helps everybody. This is kind of small, but other departments, you know, they have a budget for uniforms. And I’m not asking the staff to be uniform, but we’re we’re an outreach, they need to have what at least a t shirt says long been public library and we don’t have that. And so it should be something that’s incorporated in their budget so that staff can wear to work in our staff day last month. I just found some money in one of our line items and thought teachers for everybody, because I just wanted it now. And it’s actually not that much. But ongoing. I would like your first day of work. You you do your HR, you come to the library, you get a tour and then you get your T shirt you know like that’s that’s how it should be in my library app is something I would like to explore. And this kind of fits within technology but there’s some cool apps out there and they offer some kind of add on services that I liked such as self checkout, people can check it out from within the collection and just kind of getting with the times the way I see it. Think of your Apple store if you ever shop you can shop in the Apple Store without shopping with a person and then I mentioned this before programming budget we need to have our own programming budget. And and the efforts of the friends do should really support big events so we can continue to bring in like author events and big things that really help get the library out there and also to do that Just much bigger things for the community. I mean, it’s hugely supportive now, but it’s not really seen. Right? I mean, it is for the people that come to kids come to a program, they can do crafts that spread supported. That’s something that libraries should support. That’s to me is pretty basic. That’s just start here with you be there something thing, because I’ll probably add on here. I’ll probably this add on here, a branch library?

Speaker 2 3:30:30
Well, I think, I don’t know whether next year is the year but what we spoke about in previous meetings, this concept of a storefront library. Yeah,

Speaker 4 3:30:43
as opposed to a big branch. And that’s what I’m going to put on here. And that’s what we were going to bake into the top. Yep. In fact, let me just

Speaker 4 3:30:58
so that’s that’s my I think that’s my director of city. Pending any other questions or comments,

Speaker 3 3:31:06
this research and plan to acquire library van, is that something that will be this

Speaker 4 3:31:12
year’s budget? We have a fund that a benefactor gave put a donated money to library in the form of a trust, years ago, called the Moser fund, if you’ve ever heard of that, and apparently not a whole lot of people have known about it. And it was set up in a way that you can we can only spend on interest accrued on the trust, but because no one said there’s a decent amount of money. And one of the things I think we need to help support outreach is a van. And so what I envision, and this is right up my alley, because this is what we did in my last job at Riverside is is we bought that was through a grant that works for bands like Amazon payments, and you get a retrofitted and then you can get out there and they’re they’re wrapped with City Library logo. There’s a practical thing about it so that Lillian and hopefully her team have a vehicle to go out instead of using their own. Which is not real practical. But then, you know, you have stuff on there. So everywhere you go, you’re kind of this mobile library,

Speaker 2 3:32:32
right. So there’s some history to that, that that idea was kicked around a couple of years ago. I don’t know if you have anything in your files. And I think craft craft environment is a cost. But there’s two funds, there’s the Epson fund in their Moser fund. And it’s not a showstopper because you need the Advisory Board approval. Yeah. Before you can, then yeah, then it goes to the city and see if the mayor agrees.

Speaker 4 3:33:09
Yeah. And so my my start out about right now is just checking with finance and how to get it appropriated. Because I can get an appropriated to spend. And if it doesn’t get spent, it’ll just go full back into the fund. So I wanted to make sure you get appropriated and then that’ll be my step as to

Unknown Speaker 3:33:30
that thank you for that reminder, said eager

Speaker 2 3:33:32
for you’ve got here, we’re still kicking around the board put together its policy as to how it would approve money. So that we wouldn’t be so what to do here really? Yeah, correct. In front of the handling, handling the federal PeerPoint there’s quite a bit of money in quite really well built in both funds. There’s quite a bit of money and it’s it’s not like a proven a couple of $100 Depending on your expenses Delta do need guidelines for us as a board that is higher again,

Unknown Speaker 3:34:11
is it restricted?

Speaker 2 3:34:14
They are but I think one needs one was reference books and one was

Unknown Speaker 3:34:23
hearing impaired

Unknown Speaker 3:34:25
learning disability or something like that.

Speaker 1 3:34:29
I will try to find that documentation and maybe sent to Tracy to send out as part of the packet.

Unknown Speaker 3:34:34
Yeah, that’d be good. Maybe

Speaker 4 3:34:36
I shouldn’t tell you because the other thing I asked to appropriate before coming in here

Unknown Speaker 3:34:43
but nothing has been done yet.

Speaker 4 3:34:46
But we just library has always wanted a an external look drop on the west side of the process. And that I don’t have money in my own budget for so I was gonna pull that from that Well,

Speaker 2 3:35:00
I mean, it won’t be up to me. It’ll be up to these folks. Right? And it’s not a showstopper. It’s I don’t think you can spend

Unknown Speaker 3:35:07
that’s a step.

Speaker 2 3:35:10
But the issue historically with the west side has been the engineering component of it as opposed to the costs.

Speaker 4 3:35:18
True what I saw salt like this. I think I got lucky. I just wanted the right person, I tell me where I can put a boat trout. And so she gave me the answer. Alright, but nothing has been done. By the way. I just have just been doing the background work. So I’m glad you brought that up.

Unknown Speaker 3:35:46
What’s your success?

Speaker 1 3:35:47
Piece of this parenting? Jonathan? Sure. That’s

Unknown Speaker 3:35:53
not from not from me.

Speaker 1 3:35:58
Well, we are just about a nine but I know we do have one more digit item before you can have upside Raber content, comments concerning principal library report.

Speaker 3 3:36:08
I don’t have anything substantial to report from the last meeting.

Speaker 1 3:36:15
In the library board

Unknown Speaker 3:36:19
comments. Okay.

Speaker 1 3:36:23
We have our next meeting on May 8. And at this point, I move to adjourn. We do that here. I mean to meetings that have procedures and they’re different. I don’t know which one we follow. We will be a journey under nine today

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