Water Board Meeting – February 2023


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Water Board Meeting – February 2023

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The Gold investor is not here yet. Roger lane, Rene Davis

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here. Can you say you’re

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paddling for supper

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and Councilmember Martin here.

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This is Randy her shoe is

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first of all, Rene Welcome back.

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Yeah I know I’m a happy Earth

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are happy to have you back.

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Good to be here.

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Yeah. Okay. To start with the previous month’s minutes any comments or questions about last meetings minutes?

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All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed.

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Okay. The waters dashboard

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the flow in the sink rain and winds this morning was 15 CFS in the historical average. It’s also 15 CFS was the column st rain this morning is Highland number two and that’s a 1881 call calling the main snow the South Platte River was proof war admin 26 302 That’s a priority data when team 22 Ralph price reservoir was a celebration of 63 91.6 approximately 14 which is down approximately our that’s 14,000 acre feet from full human reservoir was at elevation of 24 feet or 10,000 to 32 acre feet which is dying approximately 2000 acre feet and currently the same room basin storage is a system and present

Unknown Speaker 2:40
you know off the top of your head capacity wise like what percentage of capacity that I remember the plot from

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those and popping my head under 19%

Unknown Speaker 2:53
Because it fascinates the 16,100 Little over we’re probably about 80 acres similar it’s similar in how much it’s down to unions about just under 13,000 and we were at 10 So union percentage wise is probably down to two so we’re we’re putting 20% down yeah it’s because you knew there’s just so much bladder a shell or

Unknown Speaker 3:43
was that was scary.

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Question. Sure. All right. Thanks for inviting me here in January. All right, let’s get into development activity.

Unknown Speaker 4:17
So there’s three specific development activities that are current only one of which is requiring board action. That’s the first one Boston sunset apartments. So Washington, DC, Austin Station Apartments. So roughly a 12 acre parcel is down off of pedimented between Boston Street and First Avenue. It happens to include two different annexation. So we have the original valorisation and then also the turkey plant addition, annexation. So usually when plants come through, they’re all part of one annexation. This particular one is two episodes. Use. So that which was part of the original down annotation because it predated on waterboard. There’s no view on that area, or that which is on the south, which is part of the turkey plant edition. And that annex, there was no historical Hutterites, there’s not been anything satisfied. So therefore it has three acre foot per acre. So look at it as a whole Boston Station Apartments final plat as a 26.01 acre foot deficit, and it will be the clients satisfaction of that devastated. And so what they’re looking to put there is I think it’s around 12 multifamily buildings with about 367 market rate apartments, if you have any questions on that one was an emoticon. 360. So just some units are gonna have more than 40 or more as plus 40, but about 40. And so there, I think so there might be there were there entertaining, the idea of trying to find some onshore. So let’s get there. This particular one might not be satisfied until later this year. But the group that is developing this develops all over the country. And he specializes in apartments. And so if they can find some non historic water, and hold it until they’re ready to satisfy everything will then decided for sure.

Unknown Speaker 6:44
You know, just reminder information. We talked about direct flow requirements, storage requirements, we always kind of get that combination between the two in these developments or some disappointing, one or the other.

Unknown Speaker 7:03
So I think I understand your question. So typically, a development when it comes through his annexation, when they bring their historic water, it’ll typically satisfy a majority of the direct flow component, that being the two acre foot operator, and sometimes a little bit of the storage in this one, in this case, it’s kind of got the opposite end of the spectrum, you got one part of this that has no no further deficits, and the other one’s got three acre feet per acre, where let’s just a typical plat would normally have one or one and a half acre foot greater over the entire plat. So this hybrid here is is. But so if your question is what do they normally bring to the store and usually it satisfies a significant portion of the director or maybe a minority portion of the storage but with each annexation being unique is is all over toward for not having done even having some fully satisfied we’ve had some annexation, that it brought their historic water and when applied to satisfy the full three acre but greater so you’re really all the way across the board. Any other questions about this proposal? Yeah. Is it really was a little gravel pits in the south. So say that again? Is there a little gravel shelf? So

Unknown Speaker 8:44
this is a part of the dickens farm parks south of Boston. Okay.

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Do we have things to do? Age

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I would be surprised

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Yes. Chris upper works.

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So there are

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three dishes with this site, mostly due to the fact that there are sanitary sewer companies who run east west on the north side of Boston

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which is interfering with their ability

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to assemble job site typically. Today is often overlooked as they try to waterfall features and the detail running into those suckers yours up reserve and was oh it was three six engine

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problem. So they’re significant pipes to get around. So they’re working on holes for the bridge.

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So does the city not have as built gaps? So they knew that it was there. Yes.

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Staff has been working with them for. So one option that they are looking into, to try and bring to that. Pillars. So issues without

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further not be the case.

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Officers also

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through my trainings they’re about

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and their comments

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said it didn’t seem like there was any, like affordable housing.

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No more than what’s going to be standard requirements.

Unknown Speaker 10:58
Yeah, that I guess that wasn’t included in rundown,

Unknown Speaker 11:03
right? Usually, we’ve only included they’re looking for an exceptional above and beyond the minimum. So yeah, so therefore, this isn’t like what we’ve seen, if you did the one by the cost, like, this is the same type

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of thing. And that was because

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they went to Well, for one. So there was a city, an economic development incentive. And then there was also the affordable housing said that this what they’re proposing here doesn’t trigger that they haven’t gotten to that level.

Unknown Speaker 11:35
And so that was our last maybe my last experience with some of this. And so but that’s, that’s not necessarily typical. We’re back to kind of like you’re running the middle. Exactly. Yeah. Right now,

Unknown Speaker 11:50
the economics of web addresses and building materials. A lot of projects that have been planning to build affordable units are big, because they can’t meet the price. So we’re actually losing the expectation of builders provided

Unknown Speaker 12:15
you know, that white mark, or are they given the option to supply money to build affordable on another site? Is that an option we give them,

Unknown Speaker 12:27
they can pay the fee and news goes into the Affordable Housing Fund. They can donate land, they can build affordable units on another site that is less costly, although I don’t know if we’d ever had anybody do that. But the feeling was essentially that

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we tend to encourage them one way or the other is their option.

Unknown Speaker 12:54
It was intended to be their option that has not been rebalanced in a while it should have been rebalanced after three years, and we’re gonna look and Demick so that I can live but I don’t think we did that. We were also you know, Ken Rooney was leaving while he was coming on. So I think that will probably come up this summer before budgeting cycle begins.

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Okay, is there a motion on this project?

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I can’t so because at this stage, we just what is our obligation or recommendation

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to city council? This is the these are the deficits

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that you concur with

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just the calculus. Yeah. So yeah.

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Yeah. So the other two that were in front of you. Oh, sorry. Yeah.

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All in favor.

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So the other two have already or for information that they’ll be down on Slidell subdivision labs. The reason this one is for information, it’s already in compliance, really. Nothing further for you to act on. But it is a roughly an eight acre parcel located south Kimbrough Boulevard. This one’s for 96 townhomes in the mixed use area, and there’s like 16 rows of towels on this one. But it’s an appliance so that’s why that one doesn’t need your your action. The other one that we have is rings have online files flat. And the reason this one isn’t running IRS is changing requirements a bridge that will change. So it’s been updated like that. But it was for 10 buildings have a total of 212. So we’re just going to correct that. It’s like changing an area.

Unknown Speaker 15:23
Is that gonna fill up most of that vacant area? So it’s just west of Walmart, isn’t it just south?

Unknown Speaker 15:31
That’s right. Yeah,

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there’s more south wall.

Unknown Speaker 15:34
So there’s this isn’t the This isn’t what we’ll call somebody who would prefer to kind of read up down. This is a new exercise out there. If you left Walmart, there’s already some houses or some kind of units that are there. This is behind those.

Unknown Speaker 15:53
Like, I don’t know what that street is runs off a Walmart. South of that street.

Unknown Speaker 15:59
Yeah. Yep.

Unknown Speaker 16:05
Little Street is virtually whatever it is. I’ll show there.

Unknown Speaker 16:13
Yes. So so that was just for informational purposes.

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All right. This is URI also was the posting place.

Unknown Speaker 16:39
Yes. So each year, we’re required to designate a specific location where the public can vilifying or getting noses. Since we didn’t have the January, we’re doing that now. And so the city attorney’s office has recommended that we designate the public portal on the city’s website as the primary location of its official posting place for monthly whiteboard meetings, and the same rate or the service center body as the backup location. And so that would be staffs recommendation. And that’s what it was last year. And we’re recommending just continuing with that. So we needed an affirmative action to establish the pros.

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Staff’s recommendation? Sure. I’d

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like a motion to approve the suggested public posting. So this is

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second. So all in favor? This, so that will be on this URL? Mean? Obviously this coming back? January?

Unknown Speaker 18:17
You know, you done, have you. I guess, let me ask you a question to the board members, Was everybody able to access the site? To look at? Management?

Unknown Speaker 18:32
Yes, it took me a while to figure out that it was in my junk folder. But it said very clearly, yeah, your junk folder. And I’m like, okay, the Access Portal thing.

Unknown Speaker 18:44
Everybody gets through it.

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So it was like,

Unknown Speaker 18:52
Okay, well, it’s pretty voluminous. You know, in you, oh, how do you want to go about educating yourself what

Unknown Speaker 19:04
was? So what I think we have is everybody’s had a chance to look at the document. But people have been on waterboard for various lengths of time. And so have had various exposure to this project. That is why I’m getting this PowerPoint, which I’ll go through rather quickly, keeping in mind that I’m talking to people who may know this already picked up a lot of this in the document. But I kind of want to set the scene for people who haven’t been sitting here since 2019, when this project kicked off, because I presented this at parks and rec advisory board and it was the same situation. So people that were brand new to the board didn’t have the context that some other people have. So I acknowledge that there are a lot of slides there. 40 slides that I divided it up. I’ll go through it quickly. And then we can talk about it. And you can ask your questions. That’s how I’d like to handle it. Is there a remote or something? I can flip through my slides?

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Can I bring that down?

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That should be followed basketball. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 20:38
Okay, so this influx of slides, these, these numbers are a little off because this presentation but 40 slides, and I tried to divide it logically out into the way that the document was presented to you. Why did we do this plan? How did we develop this plan, what methods went into collecting the data, because there were scientific data, visitors use the data and public engagement. And then then we’ll talk about some results. And then we’ll talk about what, what we recommend. So first, where’s button rock, this group goes over by the Rockies, here it is, it’s in the foothills was supplying to specifically of Walmart. This is the map that you see currently in the kiosk when we go to button rock and it gives you a good sense of the preserve boundary, there is the white but then you see that a lot of the surrounding land is other public land, a lot of it is Forest Service. In the south and southeast you see some older county land, and then you’ve got some private land, some residences that access their properties through the gate. Button rock is the only preserve that Walmart has in its system. You have open spaces, natural areas, parks, but this is the only preserve 2671 acres managed for water storage and the ecology of the surrounding acreage. Throughout this, this has been a four year process. And one thing one important piece is that we developed a purpose statement for button rock preserve, which we hope to codify in code as this document processes accepted. This is the only slide I actually do want to read to you. So here we go. To protect, preserve, restore, and sustain button rock preserves municipal drinking water storage and supply native ecosystems, wildlife habitat and cultural resources in perpetuity. To support preserve management and enhance the ecological function of button rock preserves natural systems, as well as the Greater St. Vrain Creek watershed in which it resides. And to prescribe areas suitable for passive use, in addition to areas close for resource protection, facility protection, or public safety. So keep that in mind as we go through the rest because it informs everything else in the in the document in the presentation. There are a lot of guiding documents that went into this plan including vision wildlife, including City Council’s work plan, including City Council’s 2019, climate emergency, the 2018, open space plan, the 2019 Wildlife Management Plan, all of those resources that underpin the, the forestry stewardship plan or button. They all underpin this plan. Even though this is the forest management plan that we have to button on. And this slide is important because it’s reminding you that climate change is the driver of biodiversity and biodiversity is one of the solutions to climate change. So why why are we doing this plan? Now? Again, these are questions to keep in mind as we go through the rest of the presentation.

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How did we develop this plan? We worked with a lot of different agencies. We had a technical advisory committee so it wasn’t just staff working on this alone. We work with Parks and Wildlife State Forest Service US Forest Service, Boulder County lefthand watershed center, Mayans compliance and then we had various consultants helping us on data collection as well. The public was very involved throughout this process we have had and have a website called caring for button rock where the public could go through just a public meeting and see what happened and read other people’s comments, make their own comments. And then we’ve come and updated three boards throughout this process with the water board for Parks and Recreation Advisory Board and the sustainability board. And what when we are done that will be five visits to each board and eight visits to city council with interim updates. And then our final presentation. This is just a little bit of a timeline. Like many projects of the city, we got a little waylaid by the pandemic. So normally, we don’t take this long on a management plan. But here we are. Okay, so some of the methods that went into this plan. So we developed goals in the document, you’ll see tables here, you’ll see three, here, the most critical goals and you’ll see this upside down triangle. The purpose of button rock is to protect the water quality through the delivery, storage and infrastructure, but also conserve the biodiversity of the greater Preserve. And then also a promise to our residents to keep it open for passive recreation. As long as goals one in two are not adversely affected. So this is just a kind of a visual for that.

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Scientific data collection botany and zoology was done in these categories. Here hydrology was done in these categories here. Other baseline data, scientific data collected roads and trails, so mapping signs inventory was completed cultural resource documentation was done. And infrastructure was looked at throughout the preserve. And then we looked at visitor use the visitation rules, rules hadn’t been significantly updated at our preserve since the 1990s. But things have changed a lot at the Preserve since the 1990s. So we took a look at that staffing, and then impacts of the different types of recreation that are allowed at button rock. Another type of method that we use on this project was literature literature review. This is an excerpt of the literature that we reviewed, specifically on domestic dogs, domestic dogs in nature areas. Okay, and then part four, now we’re getting into results. And first, I’m going to talk about the results we’ve found in the visitor use category. And then I’m going to get into we engage the public what what did we learn from the public engagement? And what were some of the comments. And so first of all, here’s the timeline I made for for people who haven’t been here this whole time, this four years that this has been going on. So in the 80s 90s, we, the city of Longmont develop a formal trail system, because we were starting to see higher recreational use at button rock. And so formalizing the trails and then in the early 1990s, the way we the way we handled allowing passive recreation at the Preserve is over time you slowly adding more uses. So for example, rock climbing came in and then maybe fishing and then and then maybe dog walking was allowed. So it wasn’t, it wasn’t we opened in 1965. And everything happened all at the same time. It was kind of a, an iterative thing that came about and that in 2011, we saw a kind of a jump in visitor numbers, and we’ll look at that in a future slide. flood happened in 2013. And these are the words of our former watershed Ranger on rock Jamie feel social media advertising the preserve that that just it was something significant that that he noticed that although it’s not advertised everywhere, everybody was learning about the preserve because of social media. In 2018. Oh the staff the staff came to waterboarding Council and proposed changes to the domestic dog policy at quadrat Preserve at the time, nothing was changed. Then in with with with what was what was being proposed in terms of dog leashing but then in 2019 You know, that was a bit of a catalyst to this management plan process being kicked off and when when we kicked it off and introduced it to council City Council. Then put in place the interim dog visitation policy that we currently have, which is, if you visit button up with a dog, what is one dog per person on the leash with the dog pickup day. And that’s what’s been in place since 2019. First with educational enforcement for a tiny bathroom. And then after that, just straight Ranger enforcement. And now here we are in 2023. We’re down there at the second to the bottom, presenting, presenting the draft plan to the boards. And then next month, we’ll be presenting to city council. So you are the third of three boards. So now back to some of the visitor use results. This is what you see on the left box, there is a mixture of what we found from the public surveys. So we surveyed demographics each time we survey three out of four surveys, we looked at demographics, and we found that roughly 65 to 74% of the people that visit the preserve are not from a long lines of code. And then here on the right, you see visitor numbers over time. And these are all Ranger qualitative estimates of visitors until you get to 2018. And we started using automated counters. And that’s when we also started taking data in on cars as well. So cars suddenly show up there in 2018 2022, something went wrong with our counters, so we don’t have good full year data for that. So it’s not shown here. And then the upper left is just a graphic of what that looks like the cars are there in orange. Okay, so now we’re getting into public engagement, some of the results of our surveys. So in this first survey, there are four surveys 426 people participated. 45% of people drink a dog, most people come to the desert to hike, and most people visit multiple times per year. And survey to 67% Bring one to people. So 983 People responded to this survey 60% would still visit the preserve if there were a fee 70% understand that it is longwise primary source of drinking water. Maybe 2% agree that Prescribed fire is important management tool 81% preferred and colored fewer than 25 people. And then in the comments. The majority of comments were saying if if if we were to add amenities, what what he wants and people were saying restaurants and trash for trash cans, survey 331 participants, most people disagreed with eliminating the fishing permit, something considered during this planning process. And then if there were a fee charge, most people support a weekend daily vehicle pass. And most people agree with a feed during the busy summer months. Oh was the same survey here. We saw 131 written comments. And those listed there in the middle are the categories. But the comments are in most comments are about dogs and hiking then fees. And most people would not ride a shuttle. But this survey was conducted at the very beginning of the COVID pandemic in April in May. So if if we were going to think about that further or collect more data, we may want to redo that survey just because of the timing that that was done. And most people surveyed here agree or disagree with the no dog recommendations and staff. public survey number four focused on code updates to the button rock code. So the purpose that we read at the beginning, we were recommending that we codified that in the code because there’s nothing written about the purpose of preserving the code. And then these are some of the other recommendations. And what you’re reading here is that of all the recommendations made the public felt fine and on all of them except the dog recommendation in general, or the majority of people said they disagree with a prohibition on dogs and now into the scientific results. So the botany and zoology I’m not going to get into all this detail. But the point of this slide is that what we have is an incredibly diverse preserve in terms of native plants, rare plants, native wildlife, and across many categories and Vivian’s bats and other mammals. Even insects which were observed but not you know, quantitative Again, this wasn’t part of the baseline data. So the botany and zoology showed us just wondering kind of well preserved we have in terms of biodiversity. And now, looking into the literature, and from what we know, as professionals in the field, dogs in a preserved and protected preserve, do have an immediate impact on ecosystems and wildlife. And these are some of the impacts that dogs have. One particular study that was done in Hall Ranch, which is adjacent to Putney rock is something that we highlighted here because it was interesting, it, it shows the effect of dogs, whether they’re on or off leash, and the effect that they have when a person and a dog on or off leash or on a trail on these different species, and these are local species, all these species that were looked at in Hall ranch also exist and buttoned up preserved. So you can just see the area of influence with dogs, or the dotted lines is greater if a person is walking up that trail in their mule deer nearby, then their travel path is going to be changed.

Unknown Speaker 36:22
As a quick question, did

Unknown Speaker 36:23
you say all these dogs are these dogs leashed or

Unknown Speaker 36:30
they look at both dogs on and off leash. And this is this is a combined result.

Unknown Speaker 36:39
So this is not button rock.

Unknown Speaker 36:41
This is at home ranch. This is a study that was done at home ranch in 2008.

Unknown Speaker 36:51
We worked with the restoration consultants and they collected hydrology data for us. So they went and they looked and they mapped out all the drainage basins at button rock Preserve. So all those drainage basins, you know draining into the North St. Vrain Creek and unhealth price reservoir and the Longmont reservoir that we have there in the middle of our preserve the scrap, it just kind of shows you that it’s all connected

Unknown Speaker 37:25
in your previous slide was certainly meters.

Unknown Speaker 37:30
meters, you’re talking about the you know, and if you like like with slide numbers on here, so we can go back to things. So you’re looking at impacts on either side of the trail. So like we will do are really affected 100 meter meters on either side of the trail.

Unknown Speaker 37:59
Dogs also have leave waste behind and some of it gets picked up and some of it gets half picked up and some of it doesn’t get picked up. And that has an immediate impact on the water in the soil and the biodiversity of the preserve. Here are some of the impacts.

Unknown Speaker 38:21
Recommendations, these are recommendations from staff after all this data has been collected and you know, in conjunction with our Technical Advisory Committee of all of those agencies that we worked with to put this plan together, how about parks and wildlife in the County, South Lyons, etc. So, we do recommend implementing a no dog policy at button rock preserve, because like I said it’s our only preserve. And while this data doesn’t necessarily show, okay, we can point to an acute problem and I can give you this equals this. We know that we have significant diversity in our preserve, we know we have incredible resources that we’re trying to protect. So you know, doing nothing staff feels is not is not a good way forward, given present day circumstances and with visitors the way it is today. Also on this slide is just some data from the last couple of years in terms of range your contact at the Preserve. The most significant amount of contacts happened for dog violations dogs off leash more than one dog in 2021 210 Ranger contacts for dog violations in 151 and 2022. Also good neighbor not sending They’re talking about yet, but we are adjacent to Boulder County. And they, they all ranch design their trails. So the trail that that is connected to button rock reserve that goes back and forth. They do not allow bikes on that trail, we do allow bikes and whole ranch and out of that trail because we don’t have bikes prisoner. So we did us, they did us that they worked with us on that planning effort to make sure that that worked for us. And well, since we allowed dogs we do, we do sometimes have dogs going into haul ranch. So we’ve, in the intervening years, put up signs at the various forest border places to say, you know, you’re entering whole ranch, there’s a dog prohibition here. Some something that we heard, something that I have heard is that there aren’t a lot of other places to take your dog. And so this, this is just some of the other places that you can take your dog, if you remember, in the beginning, we’re surrounded by US forest service land at the Preserve, and US Forest Service allows dogs in most places. And then you know, see it long on has lots of places, we have another tooth that we’ve got our 2600 acre preserve, but we’ve got another 2400 acres of parks and open spaces and natural areas where dogs are allowed. And we’ve got six logbooks that don’t fit our code here. And another recommendation that is coming out of this plan is dividing the preserve into management films now that we have all this really important botany and zoology data, it’s kind of clear how the preserve could be divided into management zones. So you can see up here in the upper left with the checkered, that would be a seasonal closure for elk. But you know, the rest of the year when it’s not seasonally close for elk, it would be part of zone three natural areas. This is a habitat conservation area where there are quite a few important resources. And so keeping this area closed for biodiversity protection is a recommendation. So management zones. And then a lot of management actions came out of this plan, as you saw as he got to the end there some of those tables at the end of the document. And then we recommended a level of importance and a timeline for these. So short term, mid term long term or something that could be ongoing. And then they’re divided into the categories you saw on the plan. So for example, we do have water sampling points that are going on up there, we want to continue to collect that data, it’s going to be more useful in the midterm, which is you know, five years plus, as we get more years of data in a row, this is a very important piece of data that we want to continue to collect to work with water quality lab on one other.

Unknown Speaker 43:35
Item one land and raw raw water supply. Are the thoughts about that?

Unknown Speaker 43:42
So do you recall in the document, we showed a figure of just the research that has been done on the expansion of Ralph price reservoir in the future. It’s something that’s often a distant future, but we did look at what it was look like what would the footprint look like? And so now we can see it, we can see it in terms of, you know, where we’ve put our management zones, and where that would be in terms of existing infrastructure trails and things like that. And you can you can expansion, it would be an expansion. Yeah, it would, but they wouldn’t allow button on reserve to be a place where we can have increased capacity for storage or storage. Okay. These are just the other categories that we put things in terms of a timeline and priority list. And code updates. We want the button rock section of code to stand on its own. We want people to be able to go there and understand all the rules and regulations of that apply the button rock and we want them to be updated to align with the present day uses that we’re seeing at button rock. And here in the corner, I’ve started to populate this box with the results that we’re seeing from our three boards. So, Parks and Rec advisory board voted five to one to accept this plan and to recommend it to council. But they also acknowledged that they are split on the issue of the dog recommendation, sustainability board voted five to one to accept the plan and recommend it to council. And this is the

Unknown Speaker 45:44
dog thinks controversial as Boulder County allowed dogs in any of their areas

Unknown Speaker 45:52
are they allowed dogs in most of their areas. Actually, they don’t allow dogs at I believe it’s called God like caribou ranch call in Heil ranch. So in 2006, after doing seven years of work and study, they proposed and then adopted a dog moratorium at Holland Hale ranch. And so those are the four places that just no dogs are allowed. Leash dogs are allowed in some places Hall, sorry, not Hall, but some places are split, where you have to have dogs to be uncertain trails wants to be off leash on certain trails, I don’t really know all the details, I really know where they have a dog

Unknown Speaker 46:38
moratorium on Forest Service was there.

Unknown Speaker 46:41
The Forest Service and BLM are kind of in one category in terms of how they their philosophy in terms of recreation and where dogs can be. And then I would say National Park Service and this Fish and Wildlife Service are in a different category. Those are in a conservation versus a recreation focus. So if you’re going to go to Rocky Mountain National Park dogs are a loving kind of very developed areas parking lots where people are at their cars and things like that. And that’s that’s about it. They don’t want dogs out on the alpine tundra and things like that. But for service. Almost every single trail dogs are allowed, you know, and recreation is the focus.

Unknown Speaker 47:21
Yeah. I’m wondering places where adults are loved versus not allowed outside, but rock. Do those their rules take into account the contribution to watershed?

Unknown Speaker 47:37
I am not sure I’m able to answer that one. Immediately. I think it’s depends, right? It depends on the organization in which case you’re talking about. And it is part of a watershed. And yeah, it’s some some watersheds like boulders watershed, no dogs. It’s the watershed.

Unknown Speaker 47:58
So bother boulder takes that into account. We’re not sure about the Forest Service’s

Unknown Speaker 48:04
point app to that the Silver Lake branch manager, City of Boulder. It’s not just nearby. It’s so people know recreation and public access at all, if you’re thinking about area beyond the rainbow lakes Trailhead. So, as Danielle pointed out, there’s a spectrum of how watershed protection is profiling management agencies. Again, Gail pointed out conservation ethic, the National Park Service, they don’t allow dogs at all, you have the kind of on that end, no public access at all on Southern Lake drainage to, you know, kind of everywhere in between the national USDA Forest Service generally allowing dogs generally allowed dogs off leash. However, they also have wilderness areas where dogs are required to be on niche. And they sometimes have buffers for camping and things like that around lakes in their wilderness areas and recreation areas. So there’s a spectrum across the country in terms of how these resources are managed.

Unknown Speaker 49:11
Well, I mean, just looking at the plan, and I kind of like most of the comments yesterday, and I really liked that you’re prioritizing in the plan that is water resources preserved, not a recreation facility. I think that that’s something that gets lost. A lot of people are like, Hey, I’m gonna go recreate them. It’s like, cool, but that’s not the primary person’s purpose here. So thank you for prioritizing that. I think that’s huge. Because I think it contextualize is what we’re asking for, when we do ask for, you know, dog limitations, or dogs.

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Unknown Speaker 49:49
you know, it’s it’s pretty basic, but it ties it in. So thank you for that. I was also kind of interested to see the visitor Council do It’s just like, they were nuts in 2020. But so is everything else. But they’ve been, you know, half that’s like, for five or 10 years now. And there was a root and then a step up in the spike in 2020. But it’s an it hasn’t really gone down like it looked like it went down. But it went down to the original thing that kind

Unknown Speaker 50:21
of got everybody nervous.

Unknown Speaker 50:23
And I think that’s important, too. In your recommendations, did you include a recommendation to charge?

Unknown Speaker 50:30
So we surveyed the

Unknown Speaker 50:32
public about that, I was delighted to see them as public support for it during high, high times. I was like, that’s great.

Unknown Speaker 50:39
But he didn’t make a recommendation at this time. Because we feel that we want to further study that we, we died there. And you can go into the appendices and really see that the question was specifically asked, and we really dug in and said, like, if it’s a past, what kind of past you know, what days and we presented that here, but it’s not something that we’re ready to recommend at this time. We think with management zones, adopt prohibition and the code updates and codified the purpose and the rest of the code updates for present day that these will be really effective tools. But we also acknowledge that this is a adaptive plan, right. And it’s just based on today’s best science. And so if, if more science comes in, and as we continue to do the studies that were recommending that further studies and more pointed studies, we want to, we want to go in and be able to update the plan.

Unknown Speaker 51:38
I I’m going to harp on the fees just a little longer, because I actually was really keen to see public support for it. And I also know that if we’re spinning staff on it by week, I’m going to talk about people in Longmont, we’re paying utility bills. And you know, that sort of thing that’s supporting staff time to deal with public. And when people outside the community come in and also create a need for that staff time. I’m very comfortable asking them to help pay for it. You know, it’s kind of one of those things that pay for what you use. And so I still think it’s pretty cool. I did like, you know that there was an element in the plan where it was, you know, if you have a utility bill, you get one rate. And if you can’t provide a utility bill, you get a higher rate. And that’s kind of one of those things as I was coming, digging that too.

Unknown Speaker 52:31
Yeah. To your point, which is definitely simple. I appreciate you looking over the plan. One of the policies that we surveyed, the public about was rescinding the rough price fishing permit. Ultimately, in public, I disagree with resending that, but it’s something that we researched. That is a fee that we do have in place for fishing on or off price during a specified season. And we have to fee rates for utility and non utility customers that just want to speak to that. So

Unknown Speaker 53:03
well, yes, specifically?

Unknown Speaker 53:05
Yeah, correct. Yeah. Has been for some time. So that’s,

Unknown Speaker 53:08
that’s kind of awesome. Awesome, because it’s like you’re trying it out. And I guess part of the reason I also see fee is I can see feed reducing people counts. Because, you know, dogs are an issue in terms of dog waste. Dogs are an issue in terms of wildlife interaction. But to be honest with you, people are an issue too. I mean, there’s there’s waste of various sorts of people. And then, of course, my fear from a water resources perspective is fire. And, you know, I know there’s no camping, there’s no fires out there. But, you know, people can’t follow the dog rule. He just fewer people, fewer fires, it’s

Unknown Speaker 53:45
kind of a lot of pictures, and I ran into people, people’s fire pits and things like

Unknown Speaker 53:50
that. And that’s scary. That’s scary. The effect of fire in a watershed is just

Unknown Speaker 53:58
I, first of all, I think I think the recommendation seems to make a lot of sense, specifically, because you’ve so nicely outlined the hierarchy of priority for the space right, so that it is a water preserve, first of biodiversity preserve, second, recreational opportunity is somewhere on the list as well. But, but that, yeah, but we really need to kind of like prioritize those first two things above and beyond everything else. It makes a lot of sense. To me to that, you know, dogs are not necessarily the best situation or the prioritizes. First. I just want I had a question about the, the fishing. So the issue here is whether or not you’re sending a special permit record for

Unknown Speaker 55:02
state, you’ll see how you carry the state one. No matter what.

Unknown Speaker 55:07
It’s not the issue of like, whether to not like prohibition on addition, there’s no

Unknown Speaker 55:13
question that was asked to the public was, you know, because we were we were seeing, especially with our former watershed Ranger, it was it was selling the permits and working on the working on the permits, you know, and if the permits, if we offered 600 permits, and they weren’t selling out every year, do we need the permits? And we asked the public, do you think, you know, we need the permit? So we actually did, we did sell out during the pandemic, you know, when the public clearly said, Yes. Why would you get rid of this? You know,

Unknown Speaker 55:52
this is a this is

Unknown Speaker 55:55
we’re trying to, you know, control like, you know, look at, look at recreation, why why would we take something away? And if you take something away like that, it’s going to be hard to reinstate

Unknown Speaker 56:06
right. So I’m just curious about like, I mean, there’ll be two purposes, or potentially a couple of purposes for the permitting. Number one, of course, would be kind of like a quota system, making sure that it’s not being overused or overfish. The other, though, is like a source of revenue, perhaps is a is that extra fee and permit system, a source of revenue that’s in health does something for

Unknown Speaker 56:32
permit fee, mound set? Originally, one Rob price reservoir was just opened, gray 1990s. Approach reservoir fishing, or two concerns. One is we just get close to 30 years. There’s monster efficient. Was it but that’s okay. So there’s concern it would be too much to pressure to a fishing permit fee was set to cover the costs of administering? Really? Yes, we do get some money. Basically, that’s what it costs us to check the licenses. No, run the program, and it really isn’t.

Unknown Speaker 57:34
We have a lot of capital and licenses. And you

Unknown Speaker 57:40
said we originally were a 500 voice hold out 500. Move to the 600. And then yours number two didn’t sell all 600 Good during the pandemic, partially because you couldn’t go anywhere else. Lately, if we sell out, I think it’s probably the season

Unknown Speaker 58:02
2041 He came very, very close. And then it hasn’t been as close and it wasn’t as close to 2022 I think we definitely are off top my head I’d say hi for hundreds in 2020 to 2021. Street club close to selling out. And we switched over to online sales, which reduced the arranger staff time involved in administering the lease the sale of permits were very strict about checking permits, both state licenses and city permits. And as the pandemic is we switch back over where we have online sales we also do in person sales and film sales, which is helpful for people who don’t have access to the internet or is not current is familiar with how to access the city’s recreation website.

Unknown Speaker 58:56
We considered in the late 1990s, early 2000s to eliminate the permit system in a lot of outreach, cut the exact same result. Now we want you to keep selling permits and cubicles.

Unknown Speaker 59:14
Well I mean, this perspective on you probably don’t want to be out there elbow to elbow with 1000 people either so like making sure that you know if you’re able to get one of the permits Of course, then then you know that it’ll be not as busy as perhaps

Unknown Speaker 59:35
curiosity why do we allow boats

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no contact with technically some people. We do allow people who are fishing to see in the water in the street.

Unknown Speaker 59:53
Waiting was adequate

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as efficient No

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very particular about that there’s any

Unknown Speaker 1:00:08
it’s like it’s definitely the most strictly enforced arranger statistic perspective is Mr. Cohen force regulation is is the prohibition on swinging fire contact as well as prohibition on voting. The one exemption or exception and this will code is we do permit. If someone were to kayak down North St. Green chameleons Park to continue in a continuous answering fashion through the reservoir, which I understand was more popular prior to the 2013 flood. It’s extremely it’s professional level and beyond difficulty whitewater upstream and with us more so I’ve I’ve been working as a ranger for the city since 2020. I get see anybody kayak down the North St grand and I’m friends with some high level whitewater folks. And it seems that it’s just not very popular anymore. But we do allow for that. So people can forge the dams and continue downstream, they can’t put it on the water in the reservoir, except for our trailhead and continue downstream to the parking lot. So essentially, no voting is a lot of comments.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:19
I was curious. The other words, it was a functional decision.

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To become

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just curious as to the one dissenting

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sustainability board, the person who descends it does not make any comments. So I’m not sure. Maybe the person who dissented on Parks and Recreation or did make some comments. And he’s, he’s said that he’s heard a lot from public, talking to him and saying that, you know, it would be a tragedy to not love dogs on body rock. And they love having their dogs there. And they don’t want that taken away. So he was really trying to be an advocate for those voices.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:26
And then two other the

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the three that were split. So there were two people in parks and rec advisory board that work kind of in that try to put, you know, advocate roll for saying that you’ve heard a lot from the public saying they want their dogs there, too. They don’t want anything to change, too. And then the third person said, he has two dogs. And what he understands looking at the rules and regulations in the present day circumstances and that the interim rule makes sense to him. And what he did was he just adapted, but when it came to putting together the language for their vote. They wanted to have that piece in there. And what about the dog and when it came to that part, he voted with the two that were coming up the public wanting dogs still there. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:30
How does that vote works? And so they they accepted the plan, but part of the plan is the moratorium on dogs. So so so they carved out that piece of the plant and they voted on it separately. Okay. Well, I mean, six of them did, because theoretically, it was three to three, I guess. Or there was some there was other talks about how does this work?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:55
And, you know, they had they had a difficult time worrying their their fault. And so, you know, if, if I didn’t give a good Detailed Summary, of course, the recording is available and you can watch them there. They were on the 13th. They have their have their discussion,

Unknown Speaker 1:04:15
like maybe characterizing the health care earlier. No, that’s really wonderful vision. Come up with a recommendation. Then they consider the whole time. Obviously two of them would have voted as they did, even though maybe they didn’t get a recommendation of that particular part at all overall.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:52
With the dog restriction

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as a recommendation

Unknown Speaker 1:04:59
it’s not a new July, I mean that their purview, of course, is kind of a recreational purview, right. Dogs presumably are a

Unknown Speaker 1:05:08
part of that

Unknown Speaker 1:05:09
data that’s actually interesting. And not all of them felt that way.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:15
Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, presumably, three of them made some assessment that that that document. I think it’s interesting that the sustainability group voted a little bit a bit more in favor without the kind of dog stipulation. I think waterboard has a kind of similar per view, let’s say it’s sustainability, with different focus, but of course, it’s a more environmentally and kind of, and resources. Focus Area rather than

Unknown Speaker 1:05:53
commercial. Yeah. Just to get back to Allison’s question. And Heather, you may know whether it was this person or not, there was one person on the sustainability advisory board who opposes all regulation. It was it was interesting. You know,

Unknown Speaker 1:06:17
I’ll just tell you my preference. Rather than us sit here and debate dog or no dog, I would prefer using improve the planner, you do not approve. He would clean the people with this dog issue this big issue with you know, improve the plan. That that would be my preference. When we go to vote on this, I’m just telling you, I don’t want to get anything. I don’t care if you like dogs or don’t like dogs. Any other terms?

Unknown Speaker 1:06:52
You have one more question, actually. So. So I thought there was a line, I thought and I was just searching for it here in the plan something about that there had been an increase in, for example, ecoli, or some markers.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:14
Attached to kind of dog and activity, perhaps in the watershed or that show up. You recall it that says up and

Unknown Speaker 1:07:25
down. Reservoir is set to bake. It’s not something that that’s looked at in particular like that. So there’s no direct link. There’s nothing in this that says Ecoli has increased. So we need to prohibit. So there’s no nothing at all like that. The question was asked for the public. And you might have seen it in a public comment in response, you know, the website or in the comments and indices.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:56
PCs cause more than

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it has happened in the Jefferson County watershed, or it’s been shut down because of E. coli. And I did read that in newspaper articles and things. So this process but you know, my memories, been a couple of years about that, that is something that occurred and it was because of the E. coli and from that study was not done. That’s not part of the data of this plan. That has nothing to do with our plan our watershed, the results that we’re presenting here, so not to be confused. That was a newspaper article that I read, I did not include it in this plan.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:36
In general, ruminants and things that don’t for example, you know, herbivores and things just have generally lower kind of all pathogen counts within their guts and PCs, etc. Dogs of course.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:57
They’re there. You can think of them as Yeah, so they

Unknown Speaker 1:09:05
do know that you know, wildlife species, God and service media streamwater.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:16
Okay, Daniel, thank you for your presentation. Last, is there a motion from anybody to set this point? Or second? Okay.

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a motion I’d like to explain why. From my perspective, I think that healthy watersheds, rivers, I don’t know about the feces in the water, but I do think that there’s pretty between By the way, and that’s just natural processes. So I would support all the recommendations for that reason and respect your recommendations. Concussions Thank you very much all the work that goes into it and the amazing pictures as always

Unknown Speaker 1:10:22
remain second

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motion and the second

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motion second Thank you. So on paper

Unknown Speaker 1:10:46
so we don’t know who likes dogs or not, but we’re moving forward. But I think I got the message. Right. Is very important. So thanks again for your work on this and you

Unknown Speaker 1:11:13
just wrote quickly, there were nails are sort of water related. listed in your packet. We really haven’t been tracking Waterman legislative bills, but just so there really isn’t much like normal. Standard CW CB projects bill is higher and longer than any projects on it. So mostly they pass away. So we don’t have any bills.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:53
Actually, pretty quiet session. It’s good. It’s good. All right. Okay, well guess what the water supply update. So that time of year, we probably paying slightly closer attention to what’s going on. So packet and some different stuff. First thing we’ve included is the Colorado waters trial of the border that comes out each day, beginning of the month. And so there’ll be updating that, actually here probably about a week but so included that what we really look at it that primarily his car on the headwaters in the South Platte basin. And so the very end of that included a couple of graphs, first being this, the one for the Colorado headwaters. And as of today, snow water equivalent was about 121%. And so when today we were over 15 inches of snow water and the peak is usually about 16 inches, that peak is normally hit on April on April 7. So we’re we’re we’re pretty good. We’re in good shape for the Colorado. And then for the South Platte. We’re likewise in pretty good shape, maybe not quite as good relative to the Colorado headwaters. Today we were at 107% on the South Platte and so that that was representing about 11 inches with the peak and about 15 inches that we find on the 26th of April. So usually we have feet earlier on the Colorado River than we do the South Platte basin, but both of which are above normal. And then lastly think I included one for the same brain basin and for the sake rain basin keep in mind that really reflects like one Snotel Site guidelines page 36 editor but the the same rain basin today was at 121% of average, but we’re actually higher today than we would have normally found ourselves to be so what we’d like to see is see that peak grow or sustain is tight design so then that means we’re gonna get a better run off and so we’ll get we’ll keep on going on. The last thing we’ve included was the US Drought Monitor for Colorado and I guess what I wanted to get some quality page in there what I wanted to highlight there was As we look at last year, a year ago on this dais 100% of the state was in an abnormally dry condition, or worse this year, little over 50% was in that abnormally dry or worse conditions. And there’s about 45% had snow drought. So the general messages are much better this year than we were last year, which we’re all thankful for. So that’s colorful. Yeah. Which is you? Right. And that’s what we like to see on this map. So. So that’s kind of where we’re at. That was only initial thing I wanted to bring to your attention as candidates already mentioned, do our display status report.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:59
favorable? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:03
We really are, as always, looking for those spring storms, those would help us with that peak runoff, which is going to be really important to have

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for storage.

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So for engineering updates, we’re wrapping up the, the one big one I wanted to use, we’ll wrap it up that up until receipt during pipeline alignment study we had actually tried to save will be very committed, give me a dissertation today. But we didn’t want to cut short, Daniels presentation time. And we want a little bit more time to study the pair of slides, we’re going to try to pretty much eat excellence. So we’ll have do very calm, we’ll have snoball come as well. And so her new account, but she didn’t give you a big presentation and any questions you have. And so we’ll have consultants and staff on board to answer those questions. We wanted to kind of run that through you guys first before we sure that

Unknown Speaker 1:17:15
that’s the one big

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can you want to talk about,

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yeah, we’re still project still moving forward. Even though this was pretty cold. This winter, there were a number of weather days, by and large, because they’re, they’re called the rock or a portion of the project. They kept right on it. That’s one of the real big time sensitive issues is musically great rock, rock fell down. And of course, now that tunnel continued on in there. We’re working from both sides of both borders now. So that is going well. The other part of the project is Carver conductivity channel less smoke. Because you’re up at Granby elevation that that has shut down for the winter. They’re hoping to get going in march towards the large they’re a little more low snow up there than normal. So my delay in love maybe a week or so that you’re still still plan on getting back into construction. We’ve actually as of last fall, they have turned the dam and take half the reservoir out, turn turn the thing down, created the new dam or flow that dam is high enough to be safe for spring runoff like to get about one to two foot higher spring runoff so that’s why they’re anxiously waiting to get back in and start working. But basically, we’re waiting for Fall slope and the last thing I wanted to do was play showdown today. So we’ve got a few called heavyweight coaster

Unknown Speaker 1:19:37
Rangers doing

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paperweight or whatever. This is actually the core from the hydraulic asphalt core. The first placement was October the is well forfeit. Continue on from there I want to let you see I always try myself to say rollick asphalt core rather than just asphalt court. Because when you say asphalt car people think of a street with a crack, right? This is this is the typical asphalt from the street Street. If you look at their core This is the actual asphalt core from the dam. You look hydraulic asphalt is about twice the content of asphalt that a regular the asphalt you have a stream so you can just visually it’s also smaller grain nice reason that additional folders make it more viable really self healing when you get in the way that they want to talk with you in order to actually sell field also makes it much better waterstone of course in the day of its so Anyway, just wanted to let you see what the actual dollar cost

Unknown Speaker 1:21:17
solidifies significant asphalt to him I thought you know, he said really? I mean Yeah. So

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right now

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so they sound like they had backed off to get the winter behind them or the weather behind them or

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otherwise. And then here on this side, we’ve been working here and they

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do a big paperweight Of course. All the imports have been made into a book book and because my dad said that when they get bored and build

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it, that’s what they do.

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Okay, that’s true. Yeah. I guess

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Jimmy was really a source of John’s case and being female. We’ve got all kinds of toys we got the shuffle and the groundbreaking golden shovel. Rock. Okay.

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All right. Narayani.

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Alright, firming up data waterboard on to water rights filings. You may recall in December of 2021. We came forward for a recommendation to file a new water right in the same green Creek. Basically straight north of here was the same green Creek filing 20 CFS filing was really partially in conjunction with the Change Case of water stage but it also gives us downstream water can lead downstream obligations. And cluded a water right to put water in a sacred Creek boxnation. Union resolution downstream waterway. We filed that in December of 21. We had four statements of opposition. We just settled with the last importer. So that case now we’ll be putting together the final decree to submit the water quality issue. No opposition we should have plenty to create the next couple two to three months total. We’re happy with that. That was successful. The other waterlight was a change of the bonus ditch was finished. Just east of Main Street on secondary grade goes out of general irrigates property east the bone but you is to Costco actually irrigated the property Costco is on now because all the way up to sandstone ranch and irrigate some city on the space out there. So mostly we own 56% of that company. Primarily. A lot of Costco. We took that into water court filed that case in 2020. Got a number of posers. What have you Huge notice was the first time we ever had an opposition from the city. And we’ve now essentially settled with everybody. We don’t actually have a statement of opposition sign but with a ditch company itself or doing operations agreement that’s done, indicated, everything’s fine. The president of the companies was the president, who was a boulder county employee, retired and had to take two loads off, and then we’ll be back. He’s the president of companies when he gets back, which is in March, we’ll sign the final lockouts on that would have that change case, ready to submit for final decree is happy to do major cases through.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:00
Good news. All right. Anyone talking about major projects?

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I don’t have wild wild west cover for eventing.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:14
So I just wanted to mention, we do we continue to track so those who did talk today, or I’m sorry, upcoming in April will be green waters, and the plan next month cash flow review. But on the other topics, one of the questions was asked last year about remaining historic water rights and water rights deficits within the LDA. And so we kind of worked with our GIS folks. And I just wanted to give you just real high level record on that. So roughly speaking, there’s about 4000 acre feet of outstanding railway business. And of that, about half would be satisfied through the insurance were distort our rates. And so the remainder would be non historic, and how that roughly 2000 issue fees were estimated somewhere between 1015 100 Realistically expected to be satisfiable cash. So of the 2000 acre feet, it would be needed to be satisfied as either non historic or caching. We’re anticipating half to three quarters of that will be satisfied. Just wanted to get back to answering your questions

Unknown Speaker 1:27:55
while my client area, so yeah, LPA if I said LPA. Your whole thinking about it. Are you maybe wanting to go out to lunch?

Unknown Speaker 1:28:15
You know, I had I was looking at the status report the union reservoir enlargement acquisition program, we approved it and cancelled it too. Is that kind of moving along or to this dam, so what’s going on?

Unknown Speaker 1:28:34
That’s that’s a So So 25 years ago, we acquired the property around the reservoir once a year, so we just most recently, we last updated was when we purchased a personal property on the west side of the reservoir. Miguel Arias thing. There was one more parcel on the west side we need to acquire the negotiating with we believe we’ll have that information about the

Unknown Speaker 1:29:13
Inmar. March or April or April. Yes.

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Assuming that that partial is acquired, the things that worked through the extension is not funded recovery is

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always the Comprehensive Plan

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near the source margin,

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rather new one yet.

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Thank you Yeah, they’re

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they’re supposed to be working on some revisions to envision. And it’s there’s so many zoning conflicts, that what they’re looking at is, is to have bifurcated code. So essentially, there’s one set of use of building codes for the old suburban style building and one set of one of these building codes for the urban rules. So I’m not sure what’s going to happen with LM bid to be exciting, actually. There are a lot of people whose rules change

Unknown Speaker 1:30:51
aren’t good. Okay, I guess there’s nothing right and let me know, information items in your packets.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:04
Cash in lieu, we’re looking at that. Part of our packet that we’re talking about, I don’t know what you want to say, but a copy of the letter you have your recommendation on.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:21
That was an email that was sent out. So he sent that information at the time. That’s just the informational items that were attached in the packet.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:31
So here’s this whole issue of just kind of continues to be in a state of flux on how we’re going to resolve all this is very

Unknown Speaker 1:31:42
much so yes. There’s a lot of national politics. Yeah. Still,

Unknown Speaker 1:31:52
does the consideration of this the do the national politics in this kind of national discussion about the broader Western issue, and especially around Colorado River, that impacts us solely through through our investment in CTE and then also with a gap? Of course? Are there any other there’s really no other differences really, between us? And in that broader discussion? There wouldn’t be

Unknown Speaker 1:32:34
in terms of our database?

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Yeah, yeah. Whew.

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Any any kind of deficits or, or adjustments that have to be made that offers MCT? Is that you feel like that’s going to get would get spread evenly amongst stakeholders? Or do do we somehow have priority because we got into early or what are the situations in our kind of association with that?

Unknown Speaker 1:33:13
CBD water pretty well allocated for sound here. You can see if there were, if it reduces the amount of water in storage, or allocation,

Unknown Speaker 1:33:32
and that that’s, I mean, there’s a formal process in place for that. It just means that he chaired for a lesser amount of acreage, which is already every year the number and so we already have a process in place for that. And so theoretically, it’s just perennially, we would be allocated less water for insurance where every share such that we are in kind of like, dire drought years today. But it just it’s that that’s the new norm. If that were to become a thing later

Unknown Speaker 1:34:08
chances are, first things would happen is I would suspect, the terrible program will be eliminated.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:20
Surely there will be no original goal.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:21
So water is in the system circuit strictly used year to year basis to all parties 40s. Probably will be enough. But understanding that the future climate and future yield very are unknown. Again, I’ve said for years, Colorado is well behind. Well. What would have to happen essentially before are a major shift in war basing over overuses whale raises. It’s along the upper basin. So, yeah, there’s a lot of politics. But, you know

Unknown Speaker 1:35:26
so soon we’ll go to war with California. Seriously. So what? I’m probably the only person here who doesn’t know this, but percentage of long runs usage. There’s CVT water versus there’s, you know, our native base and water word. How’s that breakdown

Unknown Speaker 1:35:48
chart are all of our water rights planning and our guiding water principles and everything we’ve set up? Our plan is for two thirds Navy base and water. Transmission. I think that’s a good it’s a good mix of diverse diversifies our portfolio allow pressures us to make sure we use our database and water first. We’ve actually used our actual use, it’s probably closer to half and half maybe even a tiny bit more were sold just because we have excess supplies a tiny bit easier use the West because of that, actually use has been a little bit more translations long term. If all of this becomes an issue, only 1/3 of the future water supply

Unknown Speaker 1:37:05
stops leaning on the eastern slope.

Unknown Speaker 1:37:09
Yes. Climate that that part of it is well, it is certainly our junior water rights, rock storage some of those get more impacted our senior water rights because the first and diversified or CO writes won’t be affected. Junior writer wants to get caught up completely.

Unknown Speaker 1:37:41
Any any other comments on agendas going forward?

Unknown Speaker 1:37:48
Request for a presentation see very much in Water Conservancy District 566 extracts

Unknown Speaker 1:38:02
Yes, actual point of all as shown.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:11
See the last hand Water Conservancy This is the watershed group. Yeah, this area whatever pl 566 is a law that enables to

Unknown Speaker 1:38:31
soak up Natural Resources Conservation Service

Unknown Speaker 1:38:39
District you wouldn’t have just one question. I don’t know if this leads to a presentation or if it’s just for our own edification at the moment. But the the projections that so I mean, there’s a lot of work that’s done in the Colorado basin in terms of projections of impact of climate change or climate, etc. What do we use as our kind of base resource or projections on the east slope or changes in hydrology to future climate change?

Unknown Speaker 1:39:14
So it’s actually been a long while back all of the municipalities worked together with American Water Works Association Research Foundation. Did some range climate change vulnerability study? Study reviews, the biggest names in the

Unknown Speaker 1:39:41

Unknown Speaker 1:39:42
Brad Udall. Homes see PC you see us a number of the number of others prepared a report to yield the future.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:05
We then use those numbers as input to our own future water demand evaluation. And then out of that we came up with now that we have back water rights in the same way. Which water rights and how much? Find out? Three, that hurts us. That’s how we came up with a number we have a number of future water impact on our future water availability based upon climate. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:44
So does that include them? future water supply? So in other words, so you said future water demand. But included in this assessment then is how much supplies actually

Unknown Speaker 1:40:59
yeah, it looked at both was hotter, drier climate increase? So we’re looking at the increase in usage during the day. And then how does it impact our lower supply? How does it impact our supply? How difficult works and how much insurance really you increase demand a little bit you decrease supply a little bit that’s that’s how we we modelled that as variability in future waterbed their abilities to count them is out publicly available on our website? We’d happy to come back sometime with a presentation on that.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:53
I guess the freshen up leads into this discussion was just you know, at some point with it looks like we might be interesting to see. Yeah. It’s not necessarily

Unknown Speaker 1:42:08
one question before goes on. I’ve got do we I was looking over some information on our waterboard annual report. And we do that annually. Yeah. Are you working on it?

Unknown Speaker 1:42:21
Ill it’s, yeah, it’ll, it’ll be WVU this month. Okay. That’s one of the things one of your charges later requirements is to produce that. Okay. Motion to adjourn. So

Unknown Speaker 1:42:47
all right, all in favor.

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