Longmont City Council – Study Session – August 30, 2022

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Longmont City Council – Study Session – August 30, 2022

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Unknown Speaker 3:30
You ready? Good evening, everyone. I would now like to call the August 30 2022 long months City Council study session to order as a reminder to the public that this meeting can be viewed on the live stream at WWW dot Longmont. colorado.gov and to view that live stream you go to well, Colorado colorado.gov Or on the city’s YouTube channel, www Longmont public media.org or Comcast. If you have Comcast at channels eight or eight at dawn, can we have the roll call please. Mayor Peck present councilmember double faring Here. Councilmember Martin. Mayor. She’s absent. Mayor virgin Rodriguez Here. Councilmember waters, Councilmember Yarborough? Mayor, you have a quorum. Thank you. Let’s stand for the pledge.

Unknown Speaker 4:40
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Unknown Speaker 4:56
So this meeting tonight is all about the budget, so we’re not going to have any special presentations or agenda items. We’ll go right to public invited to be heard. And the first one on the list is Chris Conklin. Sir, Chris, would you mind coming to the podium? Thank you. State your name and address and you have three minutes.

Unknown Speaker 5:28
My name is Chris Conklin. I live at 234 Francis Street in the bond farm neighborhood, which why I’m here and you’ll if you’ll notice, I brought some fliers. I think you have some printouts it’s page one. And my glasses are hanging out here. Project 149. It’s page 116. In the CIP, this is about the pocket. Park in the bond farm property. When the property was annexed in 2016. It was there was supposed to be point 585 acres put aside as a pocket park. And there was $240,000 Put in the budget for it. This afternoon, I was looking and going well, 240,000. It’s partially funded. I was going to ask you to move it up to fully funded. Then I realized the new budget was released, and it’s no longer there. So I’d like you to take I’m requesting you to take action on this and put it back in the 2023 CIP budget. If it’s you know, if you could and let me know let us know in the bond farm me I’ve given you my information, contact information. If we could put that back in as this property will be developed as you probably well know, it’s there’s new new owners and they have they’re planning to develop it. So we’d like to see this as homeowners in the bonfire neighborhood. You know, we’d like to see this pop this this part developed as it was originally planned in the 2016 annexation. That’s my piece. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 7:19
Thank you very much for sharing Malloy.

Unknown Speaker 7:32
Good evening Mayor pack Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez and members of city council Sherry Malloy. 1632 Sherman way. I’m here to speak about two things tonight. First, the good news. I was volunteering at the SRL tanta unit in community last Friday where I witnessed a very positive interaction with along my police officer that I want to share. A young man I’m guessing who was in his mid 20s was obviously quite upset about something he was shouting, waving his arms and clearly very agitated. This happened in front of our tent about 30 feet away. There were two police officers near this person. The woman officer who I later learned was Christie Wheeler handled the situation so beautifully. I watched as she appeared to speak to the man calmly and kindly, lightly putting her hand on the young man’s shoulder, inviting him to sit on a chair and then bending down to his level to keep talking and listening to him. After he calmed down, she appeared to invite him to take a walk with her, which he did. The whole thing might have taken 10 minutes. I was so impressed with her approach approach. I thought, now that de escalation. That’s how de escalation is done. Calm is contagious. I’m not suggesting she may have prevented a bigger incident. That doesn’t really matter. What does matter is that she helped someone who was very upset, calm down and regain their composure, Christy Wheeler embodied community policing and being a peace officer. I also wanted to bring your attention to what appears to be a significant email communication problem between staff and the public. I say this because I have personally emailed a few different staff in the last few months with various questions and gotten no response whatsoever. After several days or even a couple of weeks with no response. I call the staff member to bring attention to my email in the dates it was sent consistently and repeatedly. My emails had gone to their spam folders. After finding my email in their spam staff replied to my email explaining this. When I replied to their explanation email with an updated question. My emails again went to their spam folder. Usually, if I or others emails go to spam folders, and I or others reply to that it breaks through the firewall for future communication. My point is that if this it appears the city’s firewall might be overly high. I invite all of you to check your spam folders, as I’m quite sure If it’s happening to me, it’s happening to others. And you’re likely not getting all your email communication from residents trying to engage with you. This was not the case six or maybe eight months ago. So I’m assuming in an effort to prevent pack hacking, understandable, the city’s tax people may have increased filters, and perhaps gone a bit overboard. I also want to acknowledge the prior to this recent development for years, staff has always been very responsive and communicative in answering and clarifying my questions. That’s all. Thanks.

Unknown Speaker 10:35
Thank you. And thank you for that comment about our police officer. Brooke lazarey.

Unknown Speaker 10:48
Thank you. I don’t feel comfortable giving my address on record but I’m happy to share it with the city clerk.

Unknown Speaker 10:53
That’s great. Thank you. Your name would be good Brooklyn.

Unknown Speaker 10:58
I am a resident. Over the last year at Skyline High School, there’s been an increase in harassment and violence against students, primarily instigated by underclassmen that are self identifying men are members of the party board gang or PBG. These incidences started roughly in the second semester of the 2021 2022 school year, an increase to include physical altercations threats to be shot and killed damages to vehicles and an assault on one teenager and its mother will walk walking through Clark Centennial Park. At no point has the same brain Valley School District and its administrators acknowledge that there are two possibly more active gangs operating within multiple high schools in the city. They have not adequately addressed the situations nor have they addressed how they plan to keep our children safe. When asked last week during the school board meeting, Mr. Hurd and his colleagues respectfully requested that I speak out on these issues at the city council meeting. So here I am. Early week into the new school year an incredibly tragic and senseless act of violence tend to this community to children in our schools have fallen victim to gang violence. Violence that may have been avoided how the school administrators and SRO officers done their duties to curb these behaviors that started last year. My questions to this council. Why have St. Green Valley school administrators been asked to not make any statements to families in their districts related to this gang violence? How are we to trust SRO officers to report incidences appropriately when students do not trust them? How are you eating our schools with better safety measures? How are you engaging our children outside of school to keep them from falling victim to the gang lifestyle? And why are there still gang tags throughout the city after Xavier solace was killed?

Unknown Speaker 12:44
We can’t answer those but well, we can have a staff member Yeah, Zach artists, our public safety chief will be glad to talk to you thank you Sonia Marquez.

Unknown Speaker 13:11
Good evening council members my name is Sonia Marquez and my address is 900 South Broad Street.

Unknown Speaker 13:25
I didn’t plan on being here tonight. It wasn’t until I spoke with Tim waters. Thank you so much for having a conversation with me. Today would have been zero solace. 14th birthday was a member of this community. His parents have been members of this community for generations. He was shot and killed. blocks away from where my mother was raised. When my grandparents settled here in the 1930s and over the years, you just continue to see this community, in my opinion be overlooked. I just got back from a memorial celebration that they’re having there were over 100 people are gathered all Chicano mihika. No Latino families grieving. And as I look at this park, what we call Kensington Park does not look like the park where I take my children. It does not look like the park where I walk the lake and McIntosh every day. In my opinion, it looks like a prison yard. There is no volleyball courts. There was over a dozen children just running around watching their parents with nothing to do. No swing sets, no shaded playground. And this has been the case since my mom was a child. This is the lower income neighborhood in which where I worked at the Youth Center for six years. That’s down the street which way I worked at Heritage middle school for four years. And this is a continued issue in our community. I wasn’t aware that you are talking about budgeting tonight, but I’m asking that you put forward a budget and a plan for this neighborhood. I want to see the kind of park at McIntosh Lake, I want to see a place for these children to play. I want to see the city when tragedies happen, our leaders lead show up to these vigils show up and connect with the family. It is one thing to meet with city officials to meet with superintendents. But I asked that the city council members go directly to these families into these communities and hear their voices hear what they need. And regardless with all the layers of things that could be happening in this communities, yes, they very much are probably happening. But we need to start coming up with solutions. And there needs to be transparency. But that’s my Aston item City Council is to prioritize these lower income neighborhoods and provide a park a real park for these children. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 16:10
Thank you, Sonia, on your Sonchus.

Unknown Speaker 16:25
Hello, everybody, thank you for the opportunity. My name is Ali Hassan just I also live in 900 South Broad Street. I also wanted to kind of just speak a little bit on the need for some support in regards to the things that the two individuals before me make comments on. And really what I’m here to do is really that ask for support ask for support in multiple areas to help you know curve some of the instances that are plaguing the lives of our young men and women in our communities. And this is not just something here to Longmont, but this is something that it’s experienced, unfortunately, nationwide in this sense of needing to find something to belong to and not having those opportunities reflected in the spaces that are meant to raise us develop us and teach us how to be successful, and how to be responsible, and how to how to be collaborators in our own communities. One of the absolute tragedies about this situation is that it stems back far, far beyond anything that’s occurring here recently, and in the moment, there are so many things entrenched in this process that has created these circumstances for too many young men and women. I know this because I’m a product of it, I experienced the gang life, I experienced drugs, I experienced violence, and I overcame it, I was lucky enough to survive it. Not everybody has that opportunity. And I was able to overcome it because there were resources allocated that gave me an opportunity to educate myself in a very different space in a way that reflected my cultural identity that reflected my experiences and that respected those places that I was coming from in environments that I was having to navigate to be approached in that way. And to be acknowledged in that way felt very different than going into a classroom every day being handed a book and told to recite whatever it was for that day. As I look out on some of you today, I know that some of you know the experience the very surreal experience of growing up in this country with different skill and skin color. As I look out on you, I know that there are some of you here today who know the very unfortunate experience of growing up in an education system that has created and very unfortunate education and success gap for students of color to their white peers. I don’t fault anybody within the school system, but I fought the system itself. But I also understand that we have an opportunity to impact those things are multiple levels. And so what do I ask all of you, I asked you to help us with those resources to help create the tools, including parks, including addressing issues that are happening in our campuses with meaningful tools and resources that are going to help all individuals involved and not create a lopsided approach and where some are victimized. And some are criticized. There’s a lot of unfortunate realities that young men and women have to navigate in this day and age. What we seek to do as a community has to have to work to create the spaces and opportunities for folks to start to address that generational trauma that has been passed down for generations and has included as has contributed to the circumstances that they’re having to navigate now. And so as we seek to do that work in the community, we look to you to help us with the resources and tools to make those things come to fruition. And that includes creating parks and includes helping us impact the education system not just within the same family schools, but even outside and community by offering more opportunities to do so. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 19:36
Thank you Lance Whitaker.

Unknown Speaker 19:49
My name is Lance we’re here 1750 Collier Street. I’ve lived in the community for about 40 some odd years now. As you all know I’m just sitting here waiting on an orange to get past. Today I’d like to bring a little enlightenment to the council and remind everybody today is National beach day. And it is also national toasted marshmallow day. So seems how none of us are near a beach. I would hope that you all go home tonight and have a toasted marshmallow. Have a good day. Thank you. You’re welcome.

Unknown Speaker 20:33
Is there anybody else in the public that would like to come up and make a comment? Seeing none, we are going to move on to motions to direct the city manager to add agenda items to future agendas. Do we have anything from Council? Seeing none. I see I got this out of order. You should have been First Herald before the we have no special ports read presentations. But we do have the 2023 2023 to 2027 proposed budget. So I’m sure we have staff come up for that.

Unknown Speaker 21:18
Actually, Mayor, I will start that off. I’m joined by Teresa Malloy and Jim golden. Again, pull this up make sure this works. So mayor, Mayor and City Council members by charter, we are presenting you all with the 2023 proposed budget to the charter requires that we present a balanced budget to you all on this date. One of the things I wanted to start off with tonight is an issue we’ll see as we go through this presentation. This has been a very challenging budget process this year, just because of how fast things are moving on us. We apologize, we sent you all an email with the CIP at noon today. One of the things that we wanted to talk about as we start off is our thought was that we would go over the CIP information with you all, once you have a chance to digest it, if there’s anything that you want us to bring back to you all, then we will add those CIP items to a future budget agenda. So when I talked about the 2023 proposed budget challenges, I think the one thing that really hit us this year was employment. And this is something that we’ve had occur over the last few years, or last couple of years. But we really saw the brunt of this this year. And so in the employment category, what we’re really, these are themes that generally hit most of our budget conversations. So the first is pay markets changing very fast throughout the year. I have a slide where I’ll go over a little bit more. But this is actually what caused some of the delay in putting the budget together this year, simply because we were trying to understand what was the market really going to look like. And what we really saw is one, many of our competitors were making adjustments mid year. And so that’s how we established the market rate. We were seeing adjust adjustments, you know, up until the last minute of making the decision of what we put in this budget. And you know, there’s some of our competitors that are yet to to fully outline what they’re going to do. Obviously, as part of a presentation that we made to you all recruitment and retention is something that is significantly impacting this organization. You saw that as part of the adjustment that we had to make to our part time and temporary wages mid year because we were unable to hire individuals to perform any of those duties, we still have issues and opening up our pools and having enough staff to operate those facilities. But it’s really something that we’re seeing continuing to see throughout the organization. You know, we we talked to you all about some difficulties that we were having in public safety, we got close, and then with retirements we got behind again, and that’s just going to continue to be an ongoing issue. But what I would say at this point, there really isn’t an area in the organization that is not dealing with recruitment and retention challenges and we have some things we’re going to talk about in this budget and then the workforce of the future group is still putting some things together that we’ll bring to you in the near future. The other significant issue that really showed itself in this budget was inflation and just impact During the cost of doing business on a on a daily basis, you’ll see the numbers in terms of our level one increases, but this is the largest number that I recall seeing in level one, and that was just driven by inflation. And then finally providing resources necessary to meet the rising demand for existing services. We again are seeing that throughout the organization. The budget that we were presenting to you tonight is a balanced budget with no tax rate increases. The total operating budget, including all funds is 414,000,022 point 4 million more than 2220 22 adopted budget of 391 point 7 million. That’s a 5.74% increase over the 2022 adopted budget. Some highlights all fount of all funds are balanced with sources of revenue identified to meet all of our projected expenses. The proposed budget does include an average of a 6% increase in water rates, an average of a 12% increase in storm drainage rates and an average of a 4% increase in electric rates. All of those rate increases have previously been adopted by the city council.

Unknown Speaker 26:22
Approximately 34.1 4 million in accumulated fund balances will be drawn down in 2023. That is primarily to meet a capital improvement needs significant capital projects. You can see the AMI advanced metering of 1.5 million. The Kauffman street busway improvements of 8.2 million. Kaufman streets important because that is a project that is connected to the first and main transit station and the work that we’re doing on that 1.4 million enrolled water transmission and rehab 2.4 million, and water distribution rehab, another 2.8 million million, and our wastewater treatment, regulation 85 improvements and then golf, irrigation rehab and replacement of 1.6 million. I don’t want to get ahead of myself, but one of the things that I will tell you that’s impacting all most of the projects is actually inflation again. So Kaufman Street was one that we had to really work with in order to get that funded because the cost of that project had increased dramatically. We were seeing the same thing in the golf, irrigation rehab and replacement program. It went significantly overestimated cost. And so one of the challenges when we look at our capital improvement plan, and you’ll hear about later is really just the increased cost associated with that. You know, I don’t think anyone really could foresee, you know how significant inflation was going to be this year, and how broadly it would impact the organization. But in many of our capital improvement projects we are I know we talked about this related to wastewater and water in a previous conversation with you all, but we’re facing this in every Capital Improvement Project and trying to figure out how we keep them on schedule and come up with the funding necessary.

Unknown Speaker 28:21
Sorry, I run into screens here. So staff currently projects for the 2022 sales and use tax growth to 7.28% over the 2021 collections. I may have Jim, straighten me out on this one. But if you remember, when we were going through COVID because of some of the concerns that we were seeing and what it was going to look like we kind of anchored into that pre COVID year, is that correct? Jim? The pre COVID budget is how we’re looking at this, or is that 19? Now, nevermind. 2021. We’re over that. I got myself confused on this. The 2023 budget, Project Project sales and use tax at 3.69% above 2022. projected sales tax. And then the sales and use tax in the 2023 budget is 10.6 4 million greater than the 2022 budget and it’s 5.1 million greater in the General Fund. The 2023 budget also projects the $230,214 Decrease in property tax revenue from the budget. You know, that is something that is really related to the legislation that was passed that adjusted the ratios recently, and so we actually had a reduction in property tax this year based on that legislation. So most of what we’re doing is really growth and sales and use tax. We did if you remember we did hold a million $2 million close to two million dollars. In the last budget process, we treated that ongoing revenue as one one time revenue. So that would be available to us this year. So we’re actually able to utilize that in this budget process. The proposed general fund budget is 109. Point 8 million, that’s an increase of 6.6% or 6.8 4 million. ongoing expenses in the proposed general fund budget did increase from 93. Point 5 million to 104. Point 4 million in 23. One time expenses decreased from 9.5 million in 2022 to 5.4 million in 2023. A major part of the one time expenses for 2023 is 1 million from the general fund. And 470,000, from the public safety fund for fleet expenses toward a first phase of a police take home car program. This is a new component in this budget. And this is a significant issue for us to deal with. One of the things that we were finding when we looked at police recruitment and retention is that many of our the cities that we compete with for hiring police officers have have taken on car programs, and we’re finding that it was becoming more and more difficult for us to compete with those entities. Specifically, I will tell you recently, we’ve made offers to individuals to join our department. And their first question to us was, Do you have a take home car program? We said no. They said, Are you going to have one? And we said, well, we’re thinking about it. And they decided to go to other jurisdictions where they actually had a police take home car program. And so what we’re finding is in the competition for staff, this is really becoming an issue that we haven’t seen recently. In addition on that, when we looked at the efficiency of it, we were losing time with our officers in terms of the amount of time that it took to transfer vehicles. So when they came in, get all their stuff in the car and then go to work. And when they left to get the stuff out so the other person can come in, we’re going to have a more in depth presentation on this view in later on in the budget process.

Unknown Speaker 32:19
There’s a 6% minimum increase in pay ranges in the proposed budget. We’re going to talk a little bit about this. When we started looking at the compensation component, and you will see this in the letter that we’ve sent to you all for we were working with Mountain States. And we were seeing about a projection of a 4% movement in the pay ranges. Literally the same day CNN and Towers Watson put out a study that said well, we’re looking at nationally a 4.1% pay range movement. That was interesting to us, because Colorado tends to be on the upper end of the average versus the lower side. We began talking to we began conducting a lot of surveys on our own asking a lot of questions. And the information that we got back was really that most of the cities that we compete with for staffing, were really in that 6% range. Actually, there were a number there were a few of those cities that were actually doing mid year increases. So when you took what they did mid year and what they were going to do in the following year, you could see that 6% showing itself. And this took us some time. It actually put us two weeks behind when we were trying to figure this out, because we really didn’t want to miss this piece of the budget. Because when you look at the fact that 70% of our budget is in in human resources, we needed to make sure we got it right because we obviously have been seeing the impacts of competing for positions and hiring folks. In this you’ll see police and fire CBA employees seeing an increase at 4%. Council may remember when we brought the collective bargaining agreements to you all that not only was this in play, but also the shift to F PPA. Jim is going to talk about that in the future. And then we also are consistent with open range employee compensation being at 101% of market. We were really hoping that we could make the you know the goal was to hit 102. We were really hoping that we could hit that this year. And just based on everything we were seeing, we think we feel comfortable with not we think we feel comfortable at 6% really being the 101% of market now all that being said council did vote to allow us to move forward with a compensation study. And so we’re going to move forward with this. What you will see in the city manager’s contingency account is it is larger this year than it has been in the past. Those funds are actually in there so that if we see something changed dramatically In in our compensation work that we will be hopefully getting back early next year, we have the ability to deal with it. We also are looking at step increases for our step employees. And then we continue with the exceptional pay for employees, which is 2% of the compensation budget. Correct.

Unknown Speaker 35:25
We have 26.8 New FTE, in this budget 13.1. And you can see the numbers 13.1, and the general fund, eight and public safety. And then you can see components of positions split out between all of the other funds. You all know, your vision. But we just wanted to bring this up. And we’re going to talk about some of the budget, adjustments or budget proposed budget items connected to this section. So you can see that we have 200,001 time funding in for investment in early child care. That’s consistent with what we’ve done in the past, we also have put in 200,001 time funding and 100,000 of ongoing funding for early childhood care and employee childcare. And so what we’re finding is that there’s some opportunities with other employers who are looking at a more global solution. And when we look at the component of recruitment and retention, and what people are seeing in the market, we think that this is something that we need to do to help our staff and also help with recruitment and retention of staff members. You can see 250,000 of one time funding for enabling caring communities, that is the project that we’re going to beta test, actually, hopefully very soon. But this is where we can connect all of our social services to each other. So we understand who we’re dealing with what we’re dealing with and communicate better internally as we serve the residents of our community $290,000 of ongoing funding from the marijuana tax which Council directed to mental health and addiction. And then per conversation when we had the attainable housing conversation, we have 750,000 at one time funding, and 250,000 of ongoing funding to create the attainable housing fund that we all talked about. And you said you wanted us to try to get into this budget. In addition, we have another 171,000. That’s an increase in funding for human service needs. That is part of the calculation that you all move to which is 3% of general fund revenues. Taxes. Thank you, Teresa. In addition, we have 290,000 of one time funding for an ADA evaluation and transition plan development. And then we have $40,000 allocated for funding for in that’s ongoing funding for social equity training and internal capacity efforts. As part of our organization, I will say that we have other funds that we’re using to do this work. So this is just starting to bring in additional revenues to this to our social equity work. Again, vision for places, you’ve all seen this, I’m not going to go over it. Part of it. This is what I’m going to present to the council to you can see all of your goals diverse housing stock. When we get into this section, we have 125,000 of ongoing funding, and 17,000 of one time funding for library services, a lot of those that was all really related to positions and increases in our part time salary. That was a big part of this. We have 114,000 ongoing funding for museum services 60,000 of one time funding for plug in abandoned well, investigations. I know I’ve had some questions from Council Council has directed in the past that come out of our oil and gas revenues to do this work. 38,000 of ongoing funding for Longmont economic development. We haven’t adjusted their contract for many, many years. And when we looked at inflation, this looked like this was a number that we needed to put in based on what we’ve seen in ongoing expenses. And then we have 100,000 of $1 one time funding for urban planning, implementation and supportive urban renewal. In addition, we have $20,000 of ongoing funding for an intern program 15,000 of one time funding for equity training for the City Council 25,000 of increase ongoing funding for our sustainability efforts and a half a million of one time funding for the first and main transit Station project.

Unknown Speaker 40:04
You know, as we look ahead, there’s still a number of risks that we had to take into account in this budget. One is the continued impacts of inflation. You know, one of the things that Jim and I talked about that was interesting to me is when we look at increased sales tax, we know that as the cost of goods and services go up that’s generating more money. So we have to, you know, keep an eye on that. Further efforts to reduce property tax assessment, right. So obviously, this year, you saw the reduction in property tax that we had based on the legislation that was passed during the wasn’t the last session or session before last session before last, potential reductions to the sales tax base. And that could be any number of things. And then finally, the potential of recession. So when we were preparing this budget and trying to bring it to you balance, take all of your goals and what you wanted to see us do. We also had to be really mindful of these other issues so that we weren’t putting ourselves in a precarious situation. That’s my presentation. I’d be happy to answer any questions at this point, just based on what we presented.

Unknown Speaker 41:18
Counselor waters

Tim Waters 41:20
here out, could you bring this saw the presentation backup? Could you there? Are you presented a whole bunch of data? I just want to make certain on interpreting or, you know, understanding. So could you go back to slide five?

Is the 34. As I did a quick tally of the CIP budget, the number that is in the in the materials, it’s posted, the number is 60 to $3,993,546. I think it was a quick addition. Is that 34 million part of that 63 is not in addition to correct. So the 63, almost 64 million includes, but the budget balance that we’re carrying forward is the so the bulleted numbers here, the advanced metering, Kaufmann, etc, are all part of that as well, that’s not in addition to some of that is are all those part of the 34 million in terms of the budget balance, or it’s a mix. You were just kind of highlighting these.

Unknown Speaker 42:30
It’s a mix. Okay. So there are some funds that are clearly drawing on their fund balances. Yeah, I pulled projects,

Tim Waters 42:37
I just as we get into the budget amendments going into next year, and we that CIP jet budget goes to 97 million I will least understand, you know, how we got there. That’s that’s all I’m trying to track through go to Slide six way. You see the art, I’m making my notes. I didn’t make notes as we went through this.

The I won’t track the questions, I had something triggered when when I was looking at this slide, but it was no time to make the note. Go to the next slide where you so the the 93 million, the second bullet, the ongoing expenses of 93 and is going to be 104 million in 2023. That’s the ongoing expenses. And the one time his will be dropping this is I assume, based partly on property tax and in the decrease in property taxes, because we’ve got I’m sorry, go ahead, Jim.

Unknown Speaker 43:46
So it’s mostly based on the exceptions that we were dealing with in last year’s budget for 22. The property tax that Harold referred to that we used for one time was almost 2 million. And then it was Arper. Money as well that we had was an opera. What was CBRF money that we received the year before that was in our fund balance for the general was that mix, so there was a lot and plus with the sales tax that was beyond our projections in 20, as well. So there was a lot of things to draw from that gave us nine and a half million.

Tim Waters 44:21
So the the 904 100 9 million is the 93 million is the 100 and 4 million plus the one time expenditure gets us to the 100 9 million. That’s correct. Yeah. Okay. And, well, when we get into some certain we’ll talk about I don’t question the value of the take home car. At some time we get into this, I’ll probably wonder about is there. How far is there a range on that doesn’t matter. These are marked cards, I would assume. And there I can see all kinds of upside to that but just getting more information. Could you go to the next slide?

Unknown Speaker 44:58
Yeah, that will say all of those there’s a range and requirements, but we’ll present on that. I think that’s coming next week. No, three weeks. All right.

Tim Waters 45:06
Well, I know we’re gonna get into more detail on these things. But I guess, when we get in, I have no qualms about compensation. So I guess that’s good. There’s the only other near other commentary on like, I don’t I love the vision statements that we crafted a former council crafted. This council has never had a conversation about those vision statements. We’ve never reviewed them. We’ve never discussed the goals this council has not. They haven’t been reviewed by any Council since February 2020. We, in that retreat, as I recall, we made a slight adjustment to being born and raised. And then we added growing old, right, I mean, to address the the status and the needs of our senior citizens. I love the goal. I love the statement vision statements. The fact that we haven’t updated the goals since 2020, February 2020. Now at the end of 2022, suggested me, I mean, what organization would set goals that we never looked at, in two years, much less, revise and update based on data? So I understand I’m kind of cranky about this. I think it’s unethical, not on your part, on our part to claim the work of a former counsel, and with never having addressed it. And I guess I’m addressing this to us, as opposed to you, I think it’s I think it’s a failure on our part because the council to have not spent one hour, much less one day in a conversation about what our priorities are. So you could use those as you build a as you build a budget to say how and here’s how the budget reflects our priorities. This budget reflects the priorities of a previous council, because this council I don’t think ethically can get lay claim to someone else’s work without even acknowledging how we got there. So I just want to say when we when we do that, I’m going to I set up before the last time we had this, I’m gonna every time it comes up until this council is willing to spend time going through the process of goal setting, and revising goals and adopting them. I think it’s unethical and unprofessional for us to lay claim to those. So that I’m looking at you think I’m speaking to us.

Unknown Speaker 47:27
So I’m to that statement. I think it’s a good point. However, if you feel strongly about that you have the opportunity to make a motion to put it on an agenda or have a special meeting of Council to discuss that. Sure.

Tim Waters 47:48
On number eight I could I could on any Tuesday night, make a motion. It seems to me that the mayor and the Mayor Pro Tem in working with the city manager, if that’s a high enough priority, there would be some conversation coming from this part of the Dyess about wouldn’t it be worth our time to convene as a council in a in a planning or goal setting process? We haven’t done it we’ve not even talked about. So it’s hard to know whether or not my priorities reflect anybody else’s priorities on this council. I know where my priorities were based on a previous council, but not on this council. And I guess I could do that. It seems to me that that’s presumptuous on my part, to be making a motion to put us into a planning retreat when when that should be coming from the from leadership on the council.

Unknown Speaker 48:44
Well, I’m not going to address that because I am. I am the mayor, but I am only this is not a mayoral Council. It is a county It is a city manager run per our charter. So anybody on this council, if you would like to discuss something, bring it forward. You have brought it forward a couple times, but you never made a motion. And that’s the way this Council works.

Tim Waters 49:11
I guess I wasn’t clear the last time we had a presentation in a former councils. I know we’re talking about budgets tonight, but we’re going to anchor the budget to that work. I think it’s discrediting to the budget to anchor to the work done by a previous council, never discussed by this Council.

Unknown Speaker 49:29
Thank you. Is there anybody else that yes, I see council woman. I mean, I’m sorry, where are we held on go fairing?

Unknown Speaker 49:37
That is me. Thank you, Mayor. So can I respond to that? Absolutely. Um, you know, I, I think the only way to know that if it’s the rest of our priority is to put it out there and let us discuss this. I don’t disagree that we need to update our goals. I know that we have a city staff that is already pressed to And then to add one more thing that they have to plan or put together a retreat, I would love to see a retreat come back. We also have gone through a worldwide pandemic, that really limited our capacity to have in person conversation. I’m not trying to make excuses for that. I totally agree we need to come back. And, you know, as we move forward, let’s look at these goals. Let’s, let’s, because I know, my life and the last two years as I could easily say this for any one of us here has changed dramatically. And our priorities and where we want to go, what how we look at life, it looks a lot different now than it did two years ago. So no, I do not disagree. I would love to see that forward. I can make a motion. You can make a motion, but let’s you know, let’s get something. Let’s get something in the books. I do agree with that. And if I do have a question on FTE, so I’m gonna, and I think it was on slide 10.

Unknown Speaker 51:04
going the wrong way.

Unknown Speaker 51:05
Was it? Nope, it was where was it at? I saw something on FTE i thought i nine. Slow down. So in looking at the new FTE, what was the criteria that you were looking at? Because this will be in addition to? So I’m just curious to know, why was it determined, you know, 1.5, and water fund or, you know, public safety? I guess, you know, I’m just kind of curious as to the criteria, and where’s the flexibility if they’re, if we’re finding that we need more or less, you know, salaries are huge.

Unknown Speaker 51:47
So, so that’s a multi prong question. So in terms of the point, something of a position, that is typically where we have positions that are split across multiple funds, so it’s not like it’s a bunch of it’s, it’s one position, but we charge out to different funds. So that’s a piece of it. I’m trying to pull up the details right now. So when we look at it, in terms of so general fund positions, so part a part of it on that, give me an example. And again, we’re gonna go in this detail. So in the museum, we had attendance. That was because we actually had damage to some of our exhibits. And so we knew that in order to continue to get exhibits, we needed to actually fund attendance to be there and watch them nonstop. On the library side, we funded full time children’s librarian. We had we brought salaries up for our part time librarian staff. We, in addition, in the general fund we funded in and we’re blending this with two different budgets, but an attorney to deal with housing issues, and we put revenue in from the afford from the housing authority to help deal with this, because that’s creating a ton of work for us right now. Those are just some snapshots of this. But, Jim, I don’t know what you’re going to add.

Unknown Speaker 53:17
So I think what I would say is that it’s resource driven. And I think in most of these funds that have small FTE amounts, it’s because that’s all the FTE that that we’re requesting, except in in a case where it’s split over multiple funds, and it’s it’s hitting maybe the general fund in the general fund in the public safety fund. We have limited resources, even though it we do show more FTE being funded here. But so we are not able to meet all the FTE requests and those two funds, but otherwise, I believe, in the rest of the font shown here. What this is the resources that have been requested FTE wise.

Unknown Speaker 54:01
Okay. And then, so the museum library, those are paid out of the general fund. And then, yeah, I just, sorry, I’m trying to go off memory with my questions here. Okay, so the other one would be community services, because I did not hear anything around, you know, you know, we were having a lot of asking a lot of our community services department as far as, you know, outreach, connecting with our unhoused population, connecting, you know, and building that equity piece into, you know, into the people we hire or positions available, you know, the linguistical, you know, anything that, I guess, specialized skills that, you know, these folks can come in with that would really help break down some of the barriers within the community. And, you know, so then we look at FTE, you know, the salary that that’s attached to that. So I was just wondering if that was being considered if that’s, are we going to be tapping into some other fund for that?

Unknown Speaker 55:10
Yeah, actually, there was. Um, so last year, we hit those areas pretty hard, where we added a number of staff to it. The requests that came in in terms of fulfilling this was taking a half a position and adding. So you’ll see in this budget where we added another point five, so that we could have a full time and in the conversations, we want to see how we’re working with the additional staff that we added to those to that group of community and neighborhood resources. And so we did add some here, but we were also building on what we added last year, too. So it wasn’t like we were just looking at it just in this fiscal year. And so we want to see how we work with the numbers that we have. But I want to say we added What did we add three last year? Two or three positions to that group? Carbon skirt?

Unknown Speaker 56:03
I’m not sure. But we’ve been right in there this time.

Unknown Speaker 56:08
Okay. Okay. So that’s good to know. And then, you know, as more questions come up, we’ll sit down and chat because I whole whole gamut of them. But I don’t think you know, we don’t have to discuss it now.

Unknown Speaker 56:20
So I do have a couple of questions as well. I didn’t hear out of the general fund. are we funding a lifeguards, recreation center employees? Does that come out of the general fund as well?

Unknown Speaker 56:32
It does. We have a few positions in there. So one of the things that we’re seeing between recreation and Senior Services is really the need for therapeutic recreation programs. So between senior services and recreation, we did fund one FTE as a rec program coordinator for the therapeutic component, we actually made a shift where we’re adding two and a quarter FTE as aquatic facility leads so that we can deal with some of those issues. Because really, I think what we’re seeing is lifeguards coming along, but it’s the pool and aquatic managers that are now so we did find that in in this list.

Unknown Speaker 57:16
Okay. My other question, and this actually comes from concern from the public. I don’t see anything for any open space FTE is because we have fire danger that is very much on the minds of our residents. I do know that Boulder County is going to have attacks on this ballot measure for fire mitigation. What are we doing and funding in that area?

Unknown Speaker 57:48
So on that one, I don’t know if there were any request on that piece. We’ll have to get back with you on that one. I’m trying to pull something else. Jim, do you remember that? But that’s also in the open space fund, not necessarily the general fund.

Unknown Speaker 58:06
The FTS come out of the open space fund.

Unknown Speaker 58:09
They weren’t I don’t think we had requests for that. We

Unknown Speaker 58:11
didn’t have a request.

Unknown Speaker 58:12
Okay. And then to Sonia and and hills. Question. Do we have any FTEs for parks or? And would that come out of recreation fund would it if if in fact, they requested FTA ease for parks?

Unknown Speaker 58:35
So I think part of their question was a capital question and that’s in a park rehabilitation fund. And so we do have funds for Park rehabilitation, we have made some improvements to Kensington. I think part of the challenge with that is the way that park is designed. It’s really long. Yeah. And when we get into that presentation, David and Jeff work can go over some of those issues. As part of the Reid Park rehabilitation piece, Kensington, about two weeks ago prior to the event. Prior to the event that occurred in Kensington, actually Carmen and David Bell walked that park and had conversations about what we could do in terms of the rehabilitation fund. Okay, so that’s really a capital project, not necessarily a staffing piece.

Unknown Speaker 59:24
You’re correct. I Yeah. I understand that. Councillor waters.

Tim Waters 59:30
Thanks. Mayor Peck Just following up on this. Just a quick look at the at the budget document. Looks like there is money not in 2022 but in 2023. And then in an out year or two for Kensington Park, correct. Nothing in 2023. Is that correct? That’s correct. Kensington parks.

Unknown Speaker 59:52
We have existing funding from a previous year’s budget.

Tim Waters 59:56
Kensington was we had in the queue. Yeah, but why? He’s done staffing shortages in, you know, the project management. It didn’t didn’t surface right to the level of getting done. So is that money still in a budget line? Yes. That’s still Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:11
You won’t see that in the 23 budget because it’s from a previous year budget.

Tim Waters 1:00:15
So there is money in the in a previous capital improvement CIP budget, specifically for the upgrade at Kensington Park. And I, I know, because we’ve had this conversation before. The the challenge, just like the fox Mattos, you know, has been there for I think a year or two has been staffing. So the question that the mayor asked about staffing and parks, it’s, I mean, I know we’ve got great project managers, right, they get, they get caught up in so many other things, that we get this backlog right of worthy projects funded, but without the human right, resources, we need to actually get the design work and the public engagement work, etc, completed. So I guess my question is, if we’re not adding and I don’t maybe I maybe I didn’t track the answer. If we’re not adding personnel to parks. How are we going to clear that backlog? We have money that’s been budgeted. We have folks in Kensington in the Kensington neighborhood, who are wondering, you know, what, when are you going to get to our park? And I get this question as it’s a ward one, you know, asset. And I, you know, I kind of dance a little bit and say, well, we’ve had money in the budget, we just are short staffed, and I get that. But I don’t know how we clear that backlog and how we, the other, you know, Park amenities or assets that we want to, we want to upgrade how we get that done, if we don’t have the project managers to do the kind of work that needs to be done for design and contracting, etc.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:47
So, for Johnny, and I’ve been having that conversation, because actually, when we looked at the parks fund, there’s money we need to get out. And yeah, there’s. And the issue is, I mean, you would have to really add a lot of staff to in order to spend those dollars. But

Tim Waters 1:02:04
what we do know about we had to to get started? Well, I think

Unknown Speaker 1:02:07
there’s a way though on the other side is in order to really potentially have a faster impact is looking at contracting folks to come in and do that, because there’s a difference of an economy of scale. And that is enough to get that work done. And it’s not unlike what we’ve done when we work in contract on the public work side and some of the other areas. And so we really think that’s probably going to have be the way to get this spun faster than to continue in the same model that we have. And I think that’ll serve as well in the long term. And so that’s what Joanie is working on right now.

Tim Waters 1:02:43
Can I ask you another question or two, specifically about Kensington Park? Oh, the project? I’m trying to remember the name of the development, it’s 66 and bass, west of pace, just south of 66. I probably got my notes here.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:04
It was not the one with the drainage issue. Yeah,

Tim Waters 1:03:07
it is. Is there? I did a quick look, I didn’t think I saw anything in here for that project, even to get it started.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:15
No, we weren’t able to do that, based on the other components that were in the funds in terms of what we had

Tim Waters 1:03:21
to do, I just because I’m going to get asked. And some at some point, a little more detail will be helpful. You know, they’re not going to like the response. My response, but at least a little more information will be helpful. And I suspect that there’s nothing in here for the Ucrete golf course, completion either

Unknown Speaker 1:03:40
No, one of the challenges that we’re actually having with the golf course is that when we look at the cost increases associated with both the sprinkler system and the maintenance facility, big issues, we had to handle one of those out of the out of the golf fund, and we had to handle one out of the public Improvement Fund in order to to handle those inflationary increases. So we could get that done. So that was really just inflation coming in. And but you know, we did work the design and look at it. And, you know, as we continue, hopefully we can continue to perform well, and it gives us opportunities, but a significant hit on both of those projects that we just had to cover the gap.

Tim Waters 1:04:23
Okay, um, I guess my last comment when I think about the 13 point, but the 13 FTE in the general fund. You know, I’d made this request a year ago when I think we added what, 31 people in this year’s budget, and this is obviously quite different in terms of the scale, but to get some idea what’s different, there’s,

Unknown Speaker 1:04:42
they’re gonna be ready to present that to you when we get to those positions. We’ve already asked that.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:49
Great, I think we’re ready to proceed, Jim.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:12
Good evening mayor and city council Teresa Malloy budget manager. So I’m going to start off our CIP presentation this evening. And then you’re also going to hear from other staff members who are going to update you on specific projects that some of which were in the in the presentation that Harold just recently mentioned, as well as some others. And so, I’m going to start with an overview. So this is the look of our complete five year CIP for 23 to 27. It is 239.4 5 million. And the pie chart does show the amounts by by system by category. But But really, the main drivers over the five year are transportation, that makes up about 33.6% of the total five year costs, parks that park RECs and Rec and open space is 16.5% of that. And then electric at 14.1, and public buildings at 11.9. So this shows you the trend from 920 19 through 2027. And what I really wanted to point out to you here is that that big jump in 2020 is is the largest that we have ever had and CIP funding, and it is really driven by by two areas, transportation and water. And so this kind of shows you that by category, and the the yellow bars are 2022. And really what’s what’s driving that big increase you saw in the last chart, like I said, was transportation, because in 2022, we have 6.56 point something million for Kaufman Street. And then in addition, we’re adding more in the 23 budget for Kaufman. And then in water, it’s the bond projects. And then, if you really just look at 2023 Total 2023 For CIP is 63.9 9 million. And, and again, it’s those same four categories that are driving most of the CIP costs for 23. transportation, parks, rec and open space, electric and, and public buildings. And then this shows you our CIP by investment category, and what we mean by investment category is three things asset management, improve improving improvement of existing infrastructure, infrastructure, and then new infrastructure. And the largest category is, although they’re there, two of them are pretty equal, but the largest really is improving existing existing infrastructure. And so that is the overview of our CIP. And so now I’m going to turn it over, we’re gonna start with Jim

Unknown Speaker 1:09:00
real quick, I’m gonna jump in before you go ahead. So part of what we talked about in terms of getting projects done timeliness and those issues. One of the things as part of the restructuring that we did based on changes that I’ve had in my leadership team is we actually moved Becky Doyle into shared services with Sandy, you know, connecting it more closely with the finance side, but you know, we call it strategic integration. One of the things that I wanted to point out regarding the CIP is so obviously, as we look over as I looked over the last 10 years, I mean, we, we were here, we were really, really presenting the budget when the flood hit and then we had to completely change our capital improvement program in order to deal with those issues. And obviously, that took some time started getting back into more of a normal mode of operation, then we not long after that head into For two years that I don’t think we’ll ever get back. But one of the things that was hard for me to deal with is, how we were managing projects and how we were reporting in those projects and really finding a way to get those details flowing up so that we can ensure that we’re on schedule on time turning the projects like we need to. So one of the challenges that we did or not one of the challenges, one of the things we decided is, that group of strategic integration is going to be working on building a system that we use consistently throughout the organization to manage projects. Right now, project managers use different tools to manage your projects. And it doesn’t necessarily roll up into a dashboard that I can see on a regular basis. So part of it is looking to move utilizing Microsoft Project, taking Microsoft Project and working with our ETS fab so that then that rolls up into a dashboard. So we can essentially see how projects are moving. I can keep an eye on are we on pace. And I say this because when we looked at what we were going to fund, one of the questions is, can we start it in 23. And I don’t want to see a situation where we’re funding something, some of the things we’ve talked about, where we we budgeted for 23. And we don’t we’re not able to get it started. And if that’s the case, we need to see it earlier in terms of that project management process. So I wanted to say that in this because that is a new thing that we’re bringing in to the organization. It really to to give me a better view, but also give the you know, the directors a better view on what we’re doing. So that we can accurately communicate with everyone the status of these projects.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:00
Good evening, Mayor Peck city councilmembers Jim Angstadt, director of engineering services. Kicking off a little bit more in depth information on a number of our CIP items. Some of this is repetitive from from Harold. Some of the challenges we’re going to be seeing next year, and in future years. For project delivery. We already indicated higher inflation. product availability will impact timelines as well. When we say product availability, some of the specialty items we utilize. I’ll use an example of water valves and fire hydrants we’re starting to see longer order times, on some of those materials. LPC has an issue with transformers, sticking a lot longer to get those ordered and delivered. So we’re going to those could impact some of our our projects, again, staffing, and the regulatory environment and our water and wastewater we’re seeing a lot of regulations, we’ve heard about PFAs, PFAs. lead and copper are items that are also going to be impacting some of our ability to deliver projects in a timely manner. That’s the bad news. And, and while I, you know, don’t want to be a downer, I always found that a picture of a puppy is always uplifting. So I thought that would make everybody feel a little bit better. So I’m going to be be focusing tonight on transportation, water, sewer wastewater, drainage and public buildings. And then I’ll turn it over to cash Johns to talk a little bit more about one of our our public building projects. Transportation 2023 CIP has about 23 million, it’s about 36% of the total of that CIP. This slide is you’re gonna see, that’s the format we’ve used this year. Again, I’ll try not to make too many pie chart jokes about pie but you’ll see that a lot. The the trends we’re seeing, we’ll see that for 2022 on transportation, that over $40 million expenditure is some of the carry forward from last year. That’s going to be coffin Street. And then going into next year, there’s also Boston Avenue bridge will be kicking off later this year. That also includes quiet zones. We will be bringing forward the first meeting in September, the Federal Railroad Administration agreement grant agreement, that is the first step in and then starting to kick off getting our projects out to bid for the quiet zone project. Investment categories, asset management and proving existing infrastructure is are the driver As for transportation, water, wastewater, you’re not going to see a lot of new infrastructure and that that’s mostly developer driven developers when they’re expanding out in the city. They’re the ones building new roads, they’re the ones putting in new water lines. A lot of our work is asset management or improving existing infrastructure. Some of our notable projects, coffins three busway improvements. That is the project that is expanding coffin street rebuilding it from first to ninth, it’s going to provide a diverse array of transportation options. It is going to include sidewalk improvements, protected bike lanes and mid block crossings as well as the dedicated short sections of dedicated bus lanes. The project is currently under design, and we are anticipating construction to begin in late 2023. That is the roadway portion of it. We have already begun working on the waterline replacements, we want to get ahead of the road construction. So we are currently you’re seeing work south of third on coffin Street, that is the waterline replacements. Get the utilities out of the way before we begin roadway construction next year. That is also tied in conjunction with the first and main transit area.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:17
How much over budget, were we projecting Coughlin.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:22
It is about that 8.2 million, but versus the original budget. And the original budget was I think around, let’s say 6.9 million. And it’s important to understand that a significant portion of that $6 million is all grant dollars. We fill Greenwalt in the back, and I’ll give him kudos. It was very successful in getting a grant with a very, very small city city share. Unfortunately, with the changing commodities and the market, the project was way over budget.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:57
So I wanted to I wanted him to point that out, because that’s an example of kind of the inflationary pressures that we’re seeing in terms of our projects. We really had to push to get this funded so that we could stay on schedule based on its connection to the work that we’re doing at first and main. But you’ll see another number down here of 150,000 for transportation in the future. But you know, the Kauffman Street project is a new design for us in terms of how we’re doing this. And we need to be able to learn from it. So that was a project that was really important that we stay on schedule based on everything that it’s connected to. But we had to make, you know, we went in from spinning very little to having to add a fair amount of money in order to see that project stay on schedule.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:43
So jump jumping down to the first and main transit station. Current status is we are working with RTD on the IGA that is hopefully being finalized soon. Property acquisitions for the seven properties we need for the project are underway. believe we’ve already got two offers approved. We have offered letters out on for others. We are working on a solicitation for design services, we hope to start design for the roadway portion and utilities later this year. And then a developer recruitment is to commence in October and November of this year with developer selection anticipated in the first quarter of 2023.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:24
Can I ask a question on that on the design of the Kauffman street or a person means transit station? I mean, is that design going to be designed by RTD or by Longmont? The design of this structure is that I’m just curious if we have any input into that at all, or is it going to be all RTD which makes me nervous.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:54
Good evening, Mayor and members of the council. My name is Phil Greenwald, transportation planning manager with the city just want to reiterate that we are taking full control of that project from the city point of view, we really are trying to ask RTD very nicely to step aside as we build our road and our infrastructure that needs to happen there. So RTD will be responsible for the bus base. But but not much more than that.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:19
Thank you. And to point out, Tony is also working with Phil because we’re really looking at how to leverage these dollars into a broader public private partnership for more of a transit oriented development at that location. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:39
Thank you, Phil. Also, kind of tied into that area is the Boston Avenue connection, a crossing of the railroad tracks the east side of Boston. That project we are anticipating having to go to the PUC with an application in the next two months. Looking to get started with construction for next year. That is mostly budgeted and funded this year. But because of delays we’re looking to to augment the existing budget with some more dollars next year anticipating those costs to be to be going up. The last item I have here is transportation of the future. You will not find that anywhere in the CIP simply because we are looking for next year to do some some planning efforts. Because we’re not really sure what future transportation kind of is. Is that going to be using our existing roadways more efficiently? Is that going to be new parking or curb strategies? Is that going to be creating a more long one long months centric, local bussers shuttle so we’re we’ve got money in our operating budget, to bring a consultant on board to help help provide us with a vision for that and work with us to put together some type of planning effort.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:59
Question on transportation

Tim Waters 1:21:09
just done on the on the last item that was initialized by debts, and that’s an upshot or an outgrowth of a work session we had in here. In a pre meeting, as I recall, on the future transportation, there were four bullet points on the last slide of opportunity opportunities for us to address this question this year. I understand reasons why we might not have for staffing and you know, other challenges. But what Jim just shared is a little different than what I thought was going to be the intent. So I want to go back to what the original intent was, is there a different intent? For this, I realize in the scheme of things, this is a drop in the bucket in terms of funding. But but we’re we’re gonna be asked to approve millions of dollars of transportation related projects, if we’re going to develop a transportation oriented district or that kind of development, lots of more investment. And I’m going to say the same thing I said, when when I was asking, Could we have a session on the future of transportation, as were asked us to prove you guys work, do the work. All we get to do and are all we’re asked to do is to vote on these things. But we vote on millions 10s of millions of dollars of transportation improvements. I still think without sufficient clarity on what to anticipate a decade or two from now, right? These money we’re gonna spend has a long life, we got to have a really clear idea of if we’re going to spend $1 on a bridge or a crossing, or Tod. What’s that taking us to in how consistent is it with what we envision or anticipate? And I force Phil, Phil left?

Unknown Speaker 1:23:01
Phil’s right here.

Tim Waters 1:23:02
Oh, he’s hiding? You guys with the same shirts on hard to tell you apart? I know Phil doesn’t control those dollars. I have had, I’ve spoken with Phil about tilaka. When are we going to get to do this? And Phil said, well, someday, maybe. But I understand he doesn’t have control of the funding for this. So this I’m confused. I realize it’s not a lot of money. But I think it’s an important part of money to help any Council be clear on you’re free to spend $1 This year is because of what we believe we’re going to be dealing with 10 years from now or five years from now or whatever that the the futurist Phil, Phil Greenwald would bring us. So there’s a question there. How are we going to use that 150? And is it consistent with what I was addressing the four bullets on that last slide from 18 months ago? Phil, you will recall the last slide and those four bullets.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:00
Marin, Councilmember waters Oh, the point of putting this together as a transportation kind of master plan, if you will, and, and really redo that element of thing, envision Longmont process, is to step back through and start talking about the integration of all these different pieces of transportation, as you mentioned, and put it into a priority statement and transportation master planning process. So that’s what we’re trying to do is with the TMP or transportation Master Plan, which that 150 will fund a portion of that is to start to start to set those priorities with the community and with this council and your boards and commissions as well, and start to set those priorities so that we can have a clearer understanding of where money goes in the future.

Tim Waters 1:24:43
So let me just ask based on what we were exposed to a couple of years ago, should we anticipate the need for surface parking in structured parking, five years from now like we need today or 10 years like we need today?

Unknown Speaker 1:24:59
Marin County As a member, as you’ve already seen some of the things that have come before this council in the last couple of weeks, as we’re already starting to talk about how we move away Main Street corridor, I love when we start to move away from that paradigm. And so we’re shifting that, to get into less demand on the vehicles, we’re trying to spread those different components, those different desires, I guess, not desires, I shouldn’t say that. But the different ideas of how you travel, and try to open it up so that we can start to integrate the different pieces of it. So it’s not all just car dependent. Yep. And so that’s the bigger

Tim Waters 1:25:33
so if you know that and Aaron knows that in in we have different levels of understanding I’m certain in the council, how much do you suppose the public understands about that? I mean, our boards and our transportation board would, what about John Q Public?

Unknown Speaker 1:25:48
A great question, a mayor and council member, again, the purpose of the transportation master plan will be go out to the public and try to gauge that level, and do some education at the same time of what we’re seeing, as professionals out in the transportation community as, as far as if we build more lanes of road that just invites more people to drive

Tim Waters 1:26:07
I get it. And the whole purpose I thought of that of a session or sessions on the future transportation was to help bring the community along policymakers, in taxpayers on what we’re envisioning, as an understanding of of a vision, if nothing else that helps to inform budget decisions we’re making year by year, this is a good investment, because we’re convinced that the data suggests this is where we’re headed. And if if if I’m not clear on that, I don’t know how clear the rest of the council members are, I’m guessing most of the public’s not very clear. And it seems to me that is important is to bring the public along in what we’re seeing in Main Street corridor plan, or the kind of planning for structured or on street or the elimination of surface parking. Right? I mean, you know, the futurists who who do this work better than I. And they have a pretty strong set of conclusions based on some pretty powerful data, you know, whether they’re right or wrong, it just seems to me, we’re missing, we have missed, and we’re going to continue to miss an opportunity to bring the community along to understand, ah, that’s why they’re doing this. So I’ll let it go from there. I just think we’re gonna miss an opportunity. I hate see us miss. Well, I

Unknown Speaker 1:27:22
think that that is the intent of the work we’re going to do here is to do that in conjunction and bring the community along, what you’re not seeing in this is a lot of expansion projects, for this very reason is we don’t know what that future is going to look like. And so how we look at expansion projects is different in that realm. And so most of this is maintenance. Kaufman Street is probably the one expansion project, but it is moving into a different design that we’ve had incorporating all modes of transportation into that. And it’s not, we’re not widening the road, we’re just utilizing the roadway in a different way. And that’s why that was important to us. But I think the whole point of this money is to do that with the public and have that conversation.

Unknown Speaker 1:28:09
So to that point, we are having a meeting in the morning, Phil and myself and Sandy, and Harold, because we’re going to have a community conversation on transportation in December. And we’re just getting together to form that agenda on the RTD directors are going to be there. There’ll be an update on Front Range passenger rail, and I did talk to JESSICA ERICKSON about the advanced 2.0 interest city transportation system now that we’ve been discussing, there is no definite plan. But by decent that December meeting, can we have something to bring to the public. So when it is part of the master plan, they can give their input. So I think that on all levels, we’re trying to figure out the best way to communicate without having to go back and say, oops, we’re not going to do that or website, because the public doesn’t really want to hear that all the time. It’s really difficult to try to work out the nuances of everything. So and that will come to counsel as well. But we’re not there yet. There’s not really much to report on. We’re still working on it. So it’s basically what are we working on and where are we with that work right now. So just as an FYI, back to you, Jim.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:35
Water, water water. proximally 7.4 million 11% of the total CIP. The water CIP by investment category, as Teresa indicated earlier is a huge rise because of bond projects earlier, back in 2021, we had the windy gap That’s what that WG F p is for. And again, asset management and improving existing infrastructure is are are pretty much our drivers. Some of the key projects we’re looking at North St. Vrain pipeline replacement, kind of a critical piece of our infrastructure. It does convey raw water from Ralph price reservoir to the Nelson Flanders water treatment plant. This was this pipeline was built into two main sections in the 40s and then the 50s. It’s reaching the end of its useful life, we have dollars in this year’s budget to basically rely on a section of it, we’re going to use what’s called a cured in place pipe versus a total replacement. So it’s, it’s a less invasive way to basically provide some longevity for the pipe. So that will be we’re in the midst of designing it now goes to the construction in the fall of 2023. raw water irrigation and the park monitor pond improvements. This has three components. We are working on a master planning for raw water irrigation studies for some of the new parks. And it’s also going to address dredging of sediment. In some of the city park ponds as well as some of the big bank stabilization those ponds do tend to fill up with silt and the bank start to start to slough off so we is along the lines of a maintenance project. And then there’s also improvements to some of our raw water diversion structures. At several parks Dawson park and garden acres is going to be worked on next year. Pretty much a critical project targeted for next year is the Ralph price reservoir improvements. Built in 1969. The reservoir is the city’s main water storage facility. So 2023 work will include the design of a widened spillway, a new telecommunication system so that we can have a remote monitoring of the system, replacement of a regulating gate and repairs to one of the dam abutments. All of these projects are noted on the state’s annual dam safety inspection report and are required to maintain that facility to state standards. Any questions on water sanitary sewer. What we’re seeing kind of in 20.2, there’s a lot of smaller scale improvements. That uptick in our trend is a lot of small scale and work at the wastewater treatment plant. A lot a lot of smaller projects as well as we doubled up this year on our collection system. Rehab. I’d mentioned earlier a cured in place. Pipe, we do a lot of lining of our sewer lines. They are one of our our lines in terms of of depth deeper than most the other lines and we found that as a non invasive sewer lines can be anywhere from nine to 15 feet, we don’t want to dig up in an alley and disturb or down a road disturb that. So we do tend to line a lot of those pipes. Again, not a lot of new infrastructure and sewer it’s going to be mostly improving the existing and some asset management. Notable projects. Big one is the wastewater treatment plant Reg 85. It goes back to that first slide I showed you about regulatory requirements. In 2018, the city’s wastewater discharge permit was renewed and included new effluent effluent limits for nitrogen and phosphorus. The after some, some studying the plant meets the requirements for nitrogen, but we need to address phosphorus so at that point, a compliance schedule was issued which required the City to meet new new those new nutrient limits by July of 2024. We have completed the design of a new chemical Phosphorus Removal facility. It is currently going through a state getting a state permit. Construction of that new facility will begin next year. It’s a new chemical storage and a pumping facility. And that will begin next year so we can meet our compliance schedule in 2024.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:19
Happy no until what what Jim talked about in terms of regulation. This is the one util Well, we’re seeing it in all of them. But this is the one where regulatory impacts are probably the most concerning in terms of what that’s going to look like in the future. And so obviously that will continue to impact our capitol work in terms of what we have to do but you will also probably start seeing some adjustments operationally and so that we can deal with these issues. It is you know, we just when you when you just look down the road, there’s going to be a lot of things that we’re going to be required to do that will take significant dollars that we need to put into the plan.

Unknown Speaker 1:35:00
So we also wanted to note project digester number four. This is additional dollars and including this year’s dollars to undertake a design. Recently, the city completed a Facilities Planning report for the wastewater treatment plant. And it recommended the addition of a new anaerobic digester to increase capacity provide redundancy, and also to increase biogas production from the plant. What might you ask is anaerobic digestion that is a process which reduces the wastewater sludge and solids to a mixture that is odor free and capable of disposal. One of the byproducts is methane gas. We scrub that and clean it and then use it as a fuel for our sanitation trucks. Design is initiated in 2023, with construction to be funded sometime in the future for that Digester.

Unknown Speaker 1:35:54
Jumping over to storm drainage, about $1.5 million, or 2.3% of the total CIP on the 2019 to 2027 CIP trends, the big jump there is basically RSVP. That is what you’re seeing here is we dropped down to 2023. With some carry forward, we’re going to have about $2 million, but we budgeted about a little shy of a million dollars for some storm drainage rehab. We are working on construction projects to go next year we’ll be Third Avenue around Sherman Street. And then left hand drive we will also start design of improvements along ninth from bone to bras that would then be constructed in future years. And then each year we’ll have one year we’ll be designing the next year we’ll be constructing so we can do a steady cycle of of improvements to our storm drainage system.

Unknown Speaker 1:36:59
Next item up is our 2023 public building CIP proximately. Four point million dollars about 6.3% of the total CIP. one mention of the pie chart, there’s a lot there. In part because our public buildings CIP covers a lot of efforts. 34 Municipal Facilities covers the ongoing repairs and lifecycle replacements of core building systems such as roofing H vac boilers, flooring, it keeps the infrastructure and to keep the infrastructure and systems working properly. We never really normally see about an increase about 5% Each year, as building systems age until expected lifecycle is met and replacements would then be planned. These funds will also cover any emergency failures of systems when that when that failure is outside of the life expectancy. And with that, I’m going to turn it over to cash John’s to talk about a specific public project regarding electric vehicle charging stations. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jim.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:20
Thank you, Jim. Mayor Peck members of council. I’m cash Jones fleet manager. And I’m here to kind of show you a little bit about what I’ve been working on as far as the electric vehicle infrastructure as far as charging stations for city vehicles. What I’ve been looking at is the different types of vehicles that are available for purchase through the state award processing. And I take those vehicles and I actually look at our vehicles to see if I can make a match. That’s where I came up with the 177 units. We took that process and I looked at all the different campuses that these vehicles were going to be stationed at and kind of globally, you know, picked the number of type of charging stations that we needed to have. I am looking at the level two charging stations, the vehicles that we do purchase come with a level one that you can actually use and we also currently have charging stations throughout different little places in the city. That house you know the vehicles that we currently own and charge on that. There’s a level three charger that I’m also looking at level sheet three charger gives us a boost like it’s you know, 15 minute 20 minute charge and those will be used for situations later on. On when I am able to purchase vehicles that are going to be used for like LPC when there’s an outage or anything like that, and they have to run, you know, quite lengthy times the hybrid type of vehicle, you know, course doesn’t use a charger, and I’ll be looking at purchasing quite a few of those to our police department is one of the areas that I’m looking at for a hybrid. The plug in hybrid is also now starting to become available that are in our pickup categories, those I can actually purchase and run plows, Sanders off of those, instead of just a straight EB vehicle. The different three years that I’ve actually listed there, we have, in fleet a 16 year plan of vehicles that are going to be replaced, I didn’t want to go out that far wanted to stay, you know, relatively short with the three year period. Because down the road, you know, there may be other types of vehicles that become available through the state award process. And I can actually pick those particular vehicles that are on the state award. Right now, they’re a little difficult getting, there’s a little bit of delay on them. And and I’m been working with a lot of the vendors dealerships and so on and so forth to see if I can get, you know, a few of them in, I do have like four of the Ford f150 lightnings coming on board. And I know that I’ve talked to Mr. Peck on it. And, you know, I’m, you know, talk to Harold as far as being able to maybe bring one and show you all, you know, what it looks like and how it operates. So

Unknown Speaker 1:42:02
I think, on this couple of things, although it’s not on the slide, I don’t think we can understate what’s happening in the world of vehicles right now. They have gone up dramatically in cost, it’s hard to get. And you’ll hear that when we kind of talk about the fleet fund. So we’ve had to deal with that as well. But I think one of the things I wanted to point out as I was talking to my colleagues, and this is the work that the organization has done for many, many years, is really having a fleet fund where we can purchase and make really quick decisions, has probably enabled us to position ourselves where we’re able to get a handful of electric or hybrid vehicles where other communities have to wait for the budget process to then get the funds awarded and then purchase it which makes it even more difficult. It’s what a year now to get one or two, two years. And so it’s an interesting challenge. But what I did want to do is take this opportunity to say the work that has been done in this organization for a long, long time to get that fleet fun there has really enabled us to take a different position. And we not only see it in this but we also have done it on fire trucks and other pieces of equipment. And so, you know, how they’ve approached the fleet fund is really important.

Unknown Speaker 1:43:26
Will you be able to use the tax credit is the city allowed to use the tax credits on these EVs? Not if we take advantage? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:43:38
we do. We are working on a grant. I’ve been working with LPC and getting a state grant to help us out. That is what I’ve been told is we have to actually purchase you know, the charging stations and everything upfront, and then they do the reimbursement. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:44:02
It’s difficult to do tax credits when we don’t pay taxes as a government. So that’s why we’re not eligible for those pieces. But we as cash mentioned, we’re working with lots of different folks to be able to secure as many grants as we possibly can. Good point. Thank you cash.

Unknown Speaker 1:44:15
Thank you. Up next I’ll introduce David Bell and Jeff reasoner for their slide.

Unknown Speaker 1:44:33
Sure, if you wouldn’t mind, we’re going to take a short break. Let’s take five minute break. Thank you

Unknown Speaker 1:50:00
You. Good evening, Mayor councilmembers David Bell, Director of parks natural resources, here to give you a quick update on going to go the right direction. Our parks recreation program, and I will have Jeff freezing or coming up after me to talk about some of the recreation pieces. As you look at this pie chart, you can see we have a lot of stuff going on in the parks, open space and trails areas, park development, Park renewal, and it really is was places that touches a lot of funds too. As we go through greenways we go through storm drainage, we go through some of those lands, we have a lot of funds that are being used out there. But the ones I really want to hit on this evening and I can talk a little bit about some things that have come up this afternoon as far as we look at how we prioritize some of these projects we’re working on. But the first bullet up there is going to be same brain Greenway and I’m going to talk a little bit like a broken record with Harold nevertheless appear to st group very angry way the prices just have continued to increase. And as we’ve been looking to do that same brand grew in phase 13, which is from sandstone ranch out to the same brain state park. Workers are contractors and work with our stakeholders out there it’s just become a more complicated project has become more expensive to but we were working very hard with landowners adjacent to the landfill that have businesses out there. We have city facilities up near the landfill. We have Eagles along the creek. So we’re working with a lot of places to kind of thread that through but as that project continues to design peace, if you’re driving one night t now you look over to St. Brian State Park as you start cross the creek, the State Park has come up to 119 so they’re waiting for us so this is gonna be a great project. When we’re able to bring that through sandstone ranch tie the city of Longmont in all the way out to st brain state park. So those first dollars are really to again, meet that demand of increasing costs and the costs associated with that timepiece that Harold talks about to the longer it takes it it costs us it costs us as well. The next piece is we’re always trying to kind of have our project managers balance at peace between our renewal projects and our new projects. And a lot of communities out there as we’ve we’ve heard counselor waters talk about that backlog. People see these projects over and over and say when are they going to when they’re going to finally happen? Fox metals is one that’s been out there there’s been people that I’ve talked to and it’s a hard feeling when you talk to people have bought a house so the kids could play in it now they wanted their grandkids are going to get to be out there and use it. So that’s a project right now that Kathy Kron has on her project she’s working Lou Miller right now some of these projects again, that’s a little challenging. This is a talk to you is that there’s other dollars back into Jim talked about earlier, we just don’t see some of those dollars that are already there. But Fox Melo metals will be the the new park project that will be coming up with design coming up and then construction, probably design in 2023 and construction in 2024. So even as we look at these numbers for 2023, getting that RFP bid, getting those contractors selected, get that design process worked on work with the neighbors out there to really see what we’re going to do. It probably will then run that into the 24 year for construction. Dry Creek community park you’ll see these numbers here but there’s also additional dollars ahead of that that we have in this budget is we’re looking at completing that master plan. And that master plan does include right now we’re looking at the artificial turf out there trying to do some stuff we went through the SCS to make sure that we’re doing most sustainable as well as Something that can help us in recreation, work to provide recreation opportunities when we don’t have turf is being stressed all the time. So that will be a new park that Steve will be taking on as well. But it’d be a completion of master plan. primary secondary greenways connections. This is one again, as we look at that backlog and how we work as productively can efficiently can this actually be one that goes from Sam’s Club, it follows along the Dry Creek, drain or dry creek and goes behind Sam’s Club, then over by the sweets in the back over to sunset. So it’d be a great trail connection as you move people from the suites as well as other areas back along Dry Creek, there’s a project actually that jimang said staff will be working on in collaboration with some of the park in natural resource planners, because again, just trying to make sure we have the people who put this project through as quickly as possible.

Unknown Speaker 1:55:56
And then the the parks infrastructure piece, this is a piece that came up tonight as far as how we’re looking at that renewal piece of it. And we have Asset Management Program, timber tosti. And that group has really done a good job of putting our parks into a system looking at how we maintain what we need to maintain, but also get that point where we’re just going to do that renewal and that’s where our getting Kathy comes in and steps with those renewals. We went out this year with our parks operation staff. With our park developers, we looked at our park planners and looked at what was on our list. And as we looked at that we really saw Thompson Park as the park that was the one that really needed to be upgraded from the shelter area, the playground area as well from the public safety areas, and that the new equipment. We’re constantly evaluating those against other parks that are out there. And tonight, we did hear about Kensington, it was a park that just went on walk it with the neighbors, it’s a part that is on our list for, you know, a full master plan update. But since 2019, we’ve kind of been doing that piece of how do you not wait for full renewal, but you take care of those pieces, you know, you have to so since 19, we have put a new playground equipment. We had the new concrete out there we have done new bridges out in that area. But again, walking that with the neighbors there’s a we’ve done an restroom unfortunately, that’s the restroom that a car decided to park in the restroom. So we’ve been working with our risk management and stuff to get the dollars put in place to get that replaced again. So that’s another piece of that. So that park has been coming on kind of sequentially, as opposed to just say sit down and do the whole thing. Right now we’re always willing to really look at our park renewal program. But that went to really complete that is really pushed out to 20.6. But that doesn’t mean those maintenance pieces get neglected. So as we look at the concrete, we look at the playground equipment, we look at those restrooms, we will continue doing those. But at this point, that total renewal piece is pushed out to 2026. And that is really kind of as far as we’re going through. I think the the piece on this, just that reminder, these costs are going up. We are trying to push these projects through as as quickly as we can with the staff that we have, as Harold talked about, we’re looking at ways we can be as creative as possible to do that, which is challenging as we’re seeing these costs increases as well. So the other piece as you look this list, Harold’s really been asking us what can we really get done? And that’s the piece too as we look at these projects, what are we hoping we really get done and these ones we think we can get RFPs out contracts in place and get those constructions really moving. So after that, I’m going to turn this over to Jeff reasoner to talk about his couple projects here.

Unknown Speaker 1:58:38
Mayor Pro Tem

Unknown Speaker 1:58:42
Thank you, Mayor Peck. The other comments that came from the public today was about the pocket park at bone farm. As I think many of us know, I’m not sure how many people know the ownership changed at Bond Farm Park. And also kind of the scope of the development has seemed to change based on early reports from what I’ve heard about applications and things like that. So does that change land dedication, much less kind of how the pocket park would be built out. Now that that ownership has changed.

Unknown Speaker 1:59:12
Mayor Peck Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez, as we looked at that park, you’re right that the ownership has changed. Parks planning has been involved with our planning group to look at how that’s going to lay out. And again as as new owners come in, they want to kind of change things and reconfigure things. But we really are looking at that pocket park as something that has to serve that community too. So we’re still the conversation with them to make sure that that pocket park will work with that community as well. Those dollars that were there are in the budget. And again, sometimes because they don’t line up with this budget year. You don’t always see him but we do have those dollars for bond park that were set aside by previous councils. And then once we get the developer on board, that’s when that project would be the really the trigger for my work group to really start working with them.

Unknown Speaker 1:59:56
So yeah, I guess that was the impetus for my question is that a lot of This is actually partially developer driven in the sense of how their projects moving forward. Because oftentimes, I know in other neighborhoods that the pocket parks do tend to be the purview of the developer to put in, not so much the city to design and put in is this a little slightly different, it’s a

Unknown Speaker 2:00:15
little slight different had the full history, but it was a place that we through our the master planning process, Parks trail recreation plan recognizes a need area. So the city really want to make sure we had a park that aligned with that community needs is a small piece of property. So developers really are trying to maximize their use, but we’re trying to make sure that the community gets the park they needed. And as you look at how you get traffic flow through there, the maximum buildings, it really comes back to us almost as a new project is how do we fit this park in that works for there? So I hope I answered your question. It really is developer driven as far as timing, but also what they’re trying to lay the ground to make it work for them. And then staff trying to make the community park fit in with that.

Unknown Speaker 2:00:52
Okay, thank you. Because I know that obviously, there’s been questions from that neighborhood, surrounding the change in ownership. And, you know, the the project that the new ownership is proposing to bring forward, so thank you,

Unknown Speaker 2:01:04
and the money is still in there, but the monies budgeted this year. So at the end of this year, then we have to carry it over in the next budget cycle. So that’s why they didn’t see the 240 in there, because it’s actually budget budgeted this year.

Unknown Speaker 2:01:20
Councillor waters?

Tim Waters 2:01:21
Thanks, Mayor Peck. I appreciate the bulleted list here and in the priorities. I guess I want to hear again, what is our plan? Or what will be our approach for clearing a backlog? money that’s been budgeted? I don’t how much is in the backlog? To give me how many millions of dollars? I’d have to go back and, you know, pull it out of different capital improvement budgets, but just a ballpark.

Unknown Speaker 2:01:54
There’s a number of those carry for dollars like around $80 million. Theresa, if I’m in the ballpark that 18 to 20 I think is we’re pricing surprise

Tim Waters 2:02:00
me at all. Yeah. This council, previous councils based on recommendations, put those dollars in a budget for all the right reasons, whether it’s the bond park or Kensington or Fox Meadows. And I understand in terms of the instrument of staffing, there’s a commitment to not develop what we can’t maintain. Right. So we we’re not talking about building things that we don’t have the capacity to maintain in terms of that kind of staffing. But I would help me to understand that we have like two project managers in parks. They are tied up in the DRC process, and they’re in reviews and all kinds of things other than doing project management for Park design and, and public engagement and contracting. What’s the plan to clear that $80 million backlog? I mean, if we’re going to contract it, how are they? Or who’s going to do who’s gonna do all that work? It’s I mean, it’s, it’s a heavy lift, even just to contract. And I shared with you here are my budget recommendations. You know, back in April, one of those budget recommendations was to take a hard look at staffing and parks so we could get this backlog cleared. I understand. You know, my recommendations are just one person’s recommendations. And, and they, you know, they’ll be considered as one person’s recommendations, but I think the question has to be answered, what’s the plan for clearing? You won’t do it in one year? But how much just in terms of accountability? How much of that backlog? Can we clear in 2023? With the approach you’ve described?

Unknown Speaker 2:03:37
So so that’s what I have. That’s what I’ve been talking about. It’s what do we need to do? And what is the best approach? And so there’s a host of ways that we can deal with this. So one is, can you all hear? So one is you can go out, and you can figure out? Can you pay a company to come in and project manage what we need to do? And what’s the capacity in that and you sit a bit, that’s one approach. Another approach is how do we look at what do we need in terms of, and I will say this term limited funding in order to build to get the backlog out of that based on the contractual based on the dollars that we have that we can build similar to what you saw us do with the buildings. I mean, that is how we dealt with trying to get some of these building projects through. What you’re going to see in this budget is we did move one of those positions into ongoing funding based on where we we’re seeing a term

Tim Waters 2:04:30
limited people with employed for X number of months or X number of years, understanding that there’ll be their job ends or contract employees for all intents and purposes, right. So it would be not adding FTE adding

Unknown Speaker 2:04:47
well you add FTE but you had FTE for a defined period of

Tim Waters 2:04:50
time. So that’s a possibility in 2023. Well,

Unknown Speaker 2:04:53
that’s what I need to understand because I think a lot of times the simple answer is when we just need to add bodies. And that’s not always the best answer in terms of what we do. Because you also have to figure out what are the long term ramifications on that. You know, there’s also another piece you brought up the DRC. You know, we’ve we’ve tried to talk about, here’s what we need, and here’s how we can approach it. And so there’s also ways to free capacity up as well, so that we can increase intention to other projects. And so I think it’s going to be in that realm of all of these things that are going to have to come to bear. In order to deal with this. I just wasn’t convinced that there was a solid answer in terms of this is the best way to do it. And so I said, we need to figure it out.

Tim Waters 2:05:42
I get that. And in being creative, this is a time where creativity is real important. Let me just let me make a statement. And you can tell me how wrong I am. We go through this process, what we heard tonight about Kensington Park or bond park or other you know, other priorities. There are lots of times we say yes, and put money in the CIP budget that reflect the Yes, knowing it’s never going to get done. He goes on a list. And the very people who would love to bring that to life, no, they’re never gonna get to it.

Unknown Speaker 2:06:22
I think that’s why I talked about the project management piece, and the accountability on this, because I think that that, for me is a blind spot. And so when we go in, and we find this, and we say, here’s where we’re going to be, and here’s where we’re going to go. Things happen at times, you don’t necessarily see those. And so then you, you look up six months down the road, and you’re like, where’s this, and so you have to go digging through all of this. And frankly, that was the impetus for this project management component. So there’s real time looks at what’s going on. And there’s also real time accountability. And if things start slipping, we’re going to see it in the way that this is going to funnel up. And, and that was a big piece for me in the CIP conversation, because that’s the very thing that I have to fix, so I can see it.

Tim Waters 2:07:11
So I’ll let it go. Other than this, I think in the in the name of accountability. We’re owed some more detail in 2023. Here’s how much understanding there’s a ton of variables you can’t predict. But here’s what we can expect, that we don’t just put these projects on a list that go to one list that people aren’t going to get done, that there’s some accountability that in 2018 2023, these are going to get, right. And here’s how we’ll know where here’s the timeline for these projects. So we don’t put our staff because we’ve got great people doing the work. And they’re the ones who are having to who know, they get up in the morning knowing there’s these projects they’ve been funded for, that they simply are never gonna get to, not with our current staffing model.

Unknown Speaker 2:08:01
Yeah. And I think that’s the piece I want to know is what is the best model to get at it and get at it as fast as we possibly can. And I think that’s, that’s the work we need to do and, and not go to the simple answer. And that really look at it. Because I mean, if you look at adding bodies right now, and you look at what we’ve talked about recruitment and retention in hiring and those issues, you may find it but will you will you fill it. And that’s another piece that we have to look at. And if we want certainty, we need to understand what all those options are. And be really smart and strategic about

Tim Waters 2:08:35
that. Yeah. I’m certainly is never going to occur. So I’m not I’m not equating accountability with certainty. I’m, I’m equating accountability with clarity on what we intend and how close we come and what we learned along the way. So I’m trying to catch people through and things. But it’s clarity on what we can expect what the public can expect, and what we’re learning and what corrective actions we’re taking as we go along. It’s not about trying to finger point or blame. I just feel like we leave really good people in lurch in the public wondering, the very questions that David has received about Fox matters, I get those questions. I call it to the queue. I’ve been given the same answer for three years. It’s in the queue. And we’re you know, Cathy has a lot on your plate. And there was a point in time where people just shake their heads and go, come on, get real with us. This is just not, you know, an accurate accounting.

Unknown Speaker 2:09:30
To that point, I agree with Councillor waters. And that is one of the things that have actually been bothering me, for example, you you say that council correctly, put money in the queue for the bond farm a couple of years ago, two or three years ago, and that money’s sitting there. But we don’t know when that project is going to be done. It’s up to the developers to win that’s going to be done. So why can’t we take those dollars out of the bond farm fund And, and put it to the next park on the queue and start knocking these things off. I don’t understand hanging on to money for a long time. And to do that park before another one that someone’s been waiting for for a long time. That doesn’t sit well did I think

Unknown Speaker 2:10:19
there’s a specific issue is there something with a bonfire farm dollars but I thought there was something related to ownership. I thought there was something as to why that money has to stay there. Jim, do you remember? Where’s Jim?

Unknown Speaker 2:10:46
Mayer Yeah, miracles Oh, no, is it it was reserved for that I really can’t shift those dollars. But there’s there’s other pieces I’ll do. I’m sorry, Harold, just try to try to one things that again, that information that hurts like your mayor and council members, it is not as the bomb park that happens right now we have a project over itself, Clover basin or Clover metals. Now this has been renamed. That project was meant to go. But we have developers there that are having to put in the infrastructure, the water, the electric and the road. And we can’t build a park until those pieces are in. So now we have a project have gone out to bid we have design on it. And we really can’t move on that so that we have to start, make sure Harold understands that. But also say do we now have capacity and start another project maybe or then the developer gets it in and we have to jump back into these pieces are moving a lot of times. And we’re really at this point those those project managers is trying to work on about two projects at a time. But these these unknowns happen. And we’re I think this the information going back up to the leadership to understand why we’re in that spot right now is important to that the Harold with his desire to have some better dashboards, information, something you know, I’ve been working with staff on I unfortunately have three different templates I have them working right now. And to have something that was consistent that work for everyone across the organization would be very important helpful, I think.

Unknown Speaker 2:11:57
Yeah, I’m really excited about that Microsoft software you’re talking about. But I guess my question is where I don’t get? I can’t I can’t put it right in my head is that so we have a new development coming in? And you’re designing but what about one that has been built 20 years ago? And they’re still waiting for their park? Wouldn’t? Wouldn’t we tell the new developer, you’re not in the queue yet. Or you’re still

Unknown Speaker 2:12:26
David’s talking about is the one that’s adjacent to the Innovation Center is that the one you’re talking

Unknown Speaker 2:12:32
about that that’s the the Neil gets Clover Meadows is over close to 75th. And that, again, was a park that as a developer came in, as well as agreements, I think council made that if they came in, they were gonna give dollars to the park to get in the queue. So now we have kind of that, that working with a developer to make that that park happen. So that’s

Unknown Speaker 2:12:51
the one we’re going to put city dollars into it the

Unknown Speaker 2:12:53
developer put down? Correct.

Unknown Speaker 2:12:58
Okay. It is complicated, I understand. But I I do feel for the residents who’ve been waiting forever, and they just lose their faith.

Unknown Speaker 2:13:09
I would just mayor, council members, I would just echo customer, water Senate and the staff feels the same way. And I think we’re really striving to be able to put those out there. And I think we’re the greatest things you do when those project managers get to open that park up and see the kids that helped with the design process. We always work in the schools or will be the neighborhoods and communities in the TSC that instant gratification something that that profession in particular is really striving to put those products out there for them to really enjoy.

Unknown Speaker 2:13:38
Okay, it would be good for us, though, to have reasons as to why these are being delayed because when they’re in the queue on a timeline, and that passes to really difficult to answer those questions why?

Unknown Speaker 2:13:52
We don’t know. We will bring a plan back to you all in terms of what we come up with. Good.

Unknown Speaker 2:13:57
Thank you. Thank you, Jeff reasoner.

Unknown Speaker 2:14:04
Mayor, Members of Council Jeffrey’s Nur, Acting Director of the Community Services Department, here to talk to the last two items on the list for parks, rec and open space. The first one being the you Creek maintenance facility. That project was funded our had money go towards it in the 2018 bond election. It was about $1,478,000 We are back to the highway 66 location are in design and have gone through the first middle with the DRC looking to have our second submittal in sometime late in September, with our goal to be able to start construction with the site development at the end of the year and then if these funds are available, we would carry through and finish sometime mid summer of next year, the 1.5 million for the maintenance facility is proposed to come from the Gulf fund fund balance. Second project also was approved during the 2018 bond election. This is for the irrigation replacement at Twin Peaks golf course. We went to a bid early this year, and only had one one company submit. And we were way over budget in the bids. So we are needing we’re estimating $1.6 million more to complete that project. It’s proposed to come from the public Improvement Fund. And we’re hoping that as we look at it that we are trying to coordinate with some of the to find out how many contractors are really out there that are not already committed for the fall of 23. And may consider that that work wouldn’t be able to be done until the fall of 24, just so that we could have more companies bid on that project. But it is our goal to start that in 23. Generally, we’d start some time after Labor Day, and it would carry forward till early June of 24. To complete. Again, that’s based on the availability of contractors so that we have a competitive competitive bid. So that’s all I had on that. And most you have any questions? Councillor waters?

Tim Waters 2:16:48
Thanks, Jeff. I acknowledged earlier that there’s nothing in here for capitalizing on the what we budgeted this year for the design for the completion of the Ukri clubhouse. So project that made this statement last year project that has been unfinished for 26 years now. I guess since the you Creek Golf Course was open, what could be a main kind of a draw? I know we have people come from all over to play that golf course. But they don’t. They don’t do the kinds of things that people do a golf courses like that, because there’s no facility for it. We have staff that have done a successfully worked around the limited facilities for 26 years. And it’s in you know, I’m certain every one of the 60s $64 million in this capital improvement budget are four high priority issues. I’m not questioning that. It’s I’m disappointed that we couldn’t find any money to get started. Like we do right accruing capital improvement or public improvement dollars to actually act on to take advantage of the $400,000 We spent in design work this year, that produced a pretty exciting result. And that we’re not going to see any I’m guessing it’ll be another 25 years before we see any progress in a budget to finish a project that people were really excited about 26 years ago.

Unknown Speaker 2:18:25
So I think two things on that one. That’s what the golf fund is for in terms of the revenue that we’re accumulating there. I think we talked a little bit about it. And I believe and we went out for a vote. And, you know, we really talked about stabilizing the golf fund in the bond election and the public Improvement Fund for the maintenance facility and the irrigation work. And I think we said this will stabilize the fund. And the golf fund will stand on its own and and so that was in our mind, also in terms of what we said to the voters there. But in terms of accruing the revenue, we are accruing revenue within the golf fund, I think there’s choices we’re going to have to make to go do we still look at trails, you know, in current paths, or do we look at really continuing to earmark this money for this? We’ve been fortunate in the last few years that the golf fund has done well. And I think they’re there if we can continue on the trajectory that we’re on. I think there’s going to be revenue there. But we’re going to have to dig in and make some decisions to that point about what is the next highest priority that we need to deal with there. But I think that’s the funding mechanism.

Tim Waters 2:19:37
Okay, I how do we do we on all of our enterprise fund Gough’s Enterprise Fund? Correct. Remind me of our other enterprise fund,

Unknown Speaker 2:19:48
water wastewater street or we have the street fund. Airport fund. We got why sanitation fund storm drain I mean, I can keep going. But yeah.

Tim Waters 2:20:03
And, and in those funds, we’ve been able to actually bond we’ve been able to invest because with, with borrowed money with bond money and then repay those because as revenue bonds, that wouldn’t be an option in this in this enterprise fine.

Unknown Speaker 2:20:22
Would I think, when do we pay off the debt on next year, so we pay off the debt on the golf course, next year, so many years ago, they, in terms of the construction of the actual golf course, they had a loan from the fleet fund. And so we know that we’re going to Jim can probably help with that. But so we know we’re going to pay that off next year. And I think there are some ways to look at it. You know, obviously issuing down on that in the uncertainty of the revenue streams, that’s going to be a different conversation. But I think that’s an opportunity where we can look at it in conjunction with the performance of the courses. And I think, if you would have asked me that question five years ago, I said, No, because we’re not performing well, I think I can tell you now we’re performing well, and we sort of have a track record. But I think that is something we can look

Tim Waters 2:21:14
at. I know in the scheme of things, this compared to other health and safety and public safety, you know, grain and water or stormwater issues, is a is a small deal. There’s a principle as well as a return on investment that it seems to me that, that we’re missing here. And I understand what we’ll end up with this budgeting process. But it’ll be in my recommendations again, next year. I’m gonna keep asking, I get one more shot at this. And I’m gonna, I’m gonna ask again, I just think it’s worth finishing.

Unknown Speaker 2:21:44
Well, I think the problem we had this year is when you dump in additional 3.1 million into two projects, 1.5 of which comes from the golfer. And I mean, it kind of reset your trajectory. And I think that was the big issue for us this year.

Unknown Speaker 2:22:01
So I do have one question for you out of curiosity on the Ucrete maintenance facility. I remember when we toured it, decide the reason you weren’t going to put it on 66 was because of CDOT not wanting to make that turn has that been resolved?

Unknown Speaker 2:22:18
Yes, it has. Yes, there were another number of issues, not only see Davao with some of the access of utilities, and we feel like with Harold’s help, and Joanie South worked through a number of those things, and are also working with the Promote proposed development to the east to get easements their through their property so that if CDOT would ever close our access, we would be able to exit through their subdivision. So things are moving. Well,

Unknown Speaker 2:22:58
good. Good. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 2:23:04
David, are you going to talk about union? Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 2:23:16
Mayor, pet council members, David Bell, Parks natural resources. This was a slide that we put it in as a kind of a last minute ability to bring this to council attention just because you need a reservoir is in the long term planning elders in our five year plan. But there’s been some recent movement at the state, local and federal government in some of our conservancy districts out there too, with lots of funds for being able to do some pretty unique things with things involved recreation, water storage, public involvement, wildlife and union really fits at the piece that does always be we probably have to work with some partners, because some of those six year partners in our district within the same brain Valley. So this partners to the east of us, and we have some pretty clear language and how we need to work with water and water topics as we get into those conversations. But we wanted to make sure that you were aware that you know, we are partners in these roundtables, these conversations. So we are in those conversations, we will not get to a foreign accounts with anything that would put the city out there committing to anything but I think it’s really important for us to be able to look at our ability to leverage our funds to achieve some of these long term goals for water stories for recreation for trails, but also on the council know that we will be back in front of this body, if anything comes up that provides that opportunity that may have to be aligned with the way our code is written right now. Harold, anything else on that you would add? So thank you.

Unknown Speaker 2:24:46
Thank you, David.

Unknown Speaker 2:24:54
While we’re waiting on Darryl to come up so one of the things that I forgot to mention in this and so when we We’re talking about the library issues. And we talked about bad name. We all admit it was a bad name for, and we’re trying to figure out a different name for this. But when we talk about the quality of life, we talked about the quality of life tax, it’s not going to be called that I know we have better folks in me figuring it out. Many of the things that we talked about tonight are things that are included in that. And so when we talk about Parkzone, and we talk about building, we talked about museum, we talked about library, those are all things where they have pulled together not only the capital cost of the work we have to do, but also the operational cost of that. So we can then take that to the community and have a conversation. We will be bringing that to you all probably what do we think November? I think we said November, we’re going to be bringing that to the council to look at. I’ll tell you now, the list is huge, and the numbers are big. But we think we want to put all of this together. I think it’s an opportunity for us to talk about all of the issues we’re talking about tonight and what the strains on the system are, and then really go out and a pretty extensive community involvement process to really see what does the community want to see so that we can refine and get something potentially ready for a ballot initiative next year. And I should have said that earlier, but I wanted you all to know we are working on that as well.

Unknown Speaker 2:26:25
All right, thanks, Harold. Mayor Peck council members, my name is Darrell Hahn and the Interim Executive Director at LPC. Fine thanks. Alright. So I want to highlight three major initiatives that LPC is embarking on is in the process of embarking on and has already happened as in process. First, we have the electric grid modernization. So this is kind of a generic term that we’ve pulled together for a number of initiatives. One of the things that Councilmember waters has been kind of asking about throughout the evening is kind of where are we going? Where are we headed? And how do we know what we’re doing? One of the initiatives that we’ve begun is what we call a smart grid and CIP roadmap for LPC. So this is really to give us an idea of where we are today where we want to be in order to meet our 2030 goals for 100% renewable energy, and what are the things that we want to do to get there. So for example, we have poles, we have a line of Poles after 3040 years they need to be replaced. And the old days, we would say you take out a pole you put in a new pole. So that’s kind of your CIP. With the smart grid roadmap, what we want to do is work with a consultant to say, is there something we should be doing differently, maybe we replace the pool with the smarter pool, or maybe we don’t replace the line at all. And we put in some other smart device, a battery or something like that. So that’s really the roadmap that we’re trying to pull together, that’s, that’s going to get us to the 2030 that will supplement and augment that plan. Some of the other things that we’re doing to is we’re looking at some community solar projects, I know that that’s something that we’ve heard you on. And so we’re looking at at finding good locations here in the city where we can maybe do some community solar projects. The other thing that we’re looking at too, is community storage, that’s kind of a new thing. But what we’re finding is that just putting a bunch of solar on the grid is not necessarily the right solution, you get a lot of energy in the middle of the day, when nobody’s home, everybody comes home in the evening, the sun’s going down, and you don’t have that energy anymore. So the storage at the community level is really something that we’re looking more closely at. In terms of advanced metering the AMI initiative, I think you’ve heard a lot about that. We have an initial deployment area defined for this fall, we’re actually going to start installing some meters in early October. And the intent here is to kind of start with a small area, and then test it out, make sure that the data can get back to where we want it to go, that communications equipment is working properly. We have all of the systems in place to collect that data and actually use it. And then once we prove out those systems and that functionality and those pathways, then early next spring, we’ll start installing the remaining meters. So that’s that’s already underway. We have contracts in place with the consultants and contractors who are going to be doing that work. And then in terms of electric system capacity increases, again, this is really something where we piggyback on the development. So a new development is going in, we take advantage of that. And we put in some of our infrastructure to really start tying together the backbone, if you will of our system. So of course, the backbone is already there. But if new development is coming in, it’s a great time to dig it up, get some easements, get some new infrastructure in the ground, and really beef up the infrastructure so that we can be a little more flexible again. As new renewable energy comes onto the grid, we will need that flexibility to be able to shift this energy across the grid. So this, the ECI, F for this system capacity increases is really our mechanism for doing that. In terms of the spend trend, you can see that there’s a spike here in 2022. And that’s really driven by the AMI project, we’ve been saving up money, so to speak, for this project. And now it’s finally time to start spending the money on the meters and on the installation and on the systems. So that’s, that’s why you’re seeing that spike there. In terms of the investment category, again, you can see that a bulk of the money that we’re planning to spend is in a new infrastructure, then, of course, maintaining some of the existing infrastructure and increasing capacity. Bless you. Any questions? Or

Unknown Speaker 2:30:54
do any of the councillors have questions? I do have one for you. Sure. At what point are you looking at? I don’t think it’s in this budget. But when we’re talking about modernization of the grid, are we looking at upgrading our substations to be able to hear the distributed energy process?

Unknown Speaker 2:31:16
So that is Mayor Peck and council members? That’s a really good question. We are looking at everything that needs to be done. We are thankfully blessed with substations that are pretty beefy, we build them so that you know, at every substation, more or less, the idea is to have two large transformers that can handle the load. And if one of those transfer transformers has to come down for maintenance, or for some other unplanned reason, the other transformer is still there and able to manage the load. I know that this question came up a few weeks ago, during City Council in terms of what the Platte River is looking at those studies and that sort of thing. And really, the idea is, we have enough capacity in our substations for now. But we are looking at, for example, some of the older transformers that are 60 plus years old, and they’re smaller, when it’s time soon to be replacing the large transformers, we’ll replace them with a bigger transformer, so that we can accommodate the increased load that comes from, say, electric vehicles, and that sort of thing. The other thing that we’re looking at too is, is you know, the, the energy that we get from the bulk electric system, it goes up and it goes down throughout the day, and it goes down at night because all the lights are off and people are sleeping, but it comes on during the day when we have the air conditioning. And so what we want to do is look at using large utility scale storage, potentially, to say maybe we can draw more energy during the night and charge those batteries and then during the day instead of pulling it from the bulk electric system discharged those batteries so we can kind of lower our peak, if you will, that we that we would have to be dealing with at that time. Great. So thank you. Sure. Thank you. You bet. I’d like to introduce my friend Dennis Papas, who’s going to regale you with an X lite information, thank you

Unknown Speaker 2:33:19
APEC council members. Let’s go to the next lie. There we go. This is next slide. The 23 CIP budget. We have a lot planned this next year on network expansion just to keep up with the demand that we have for our services. We’ve eclipsed I believe the 61% penetration rate and the take rate for the city. And in order to do that, we’ve we’ve got a lot of, we have a lot of build up to finish, we are going to begin to build out it looks like in 23. For phase eight, we just turned up phase seven, which is the height of the county line at the county line substation that is going to serve kind of the new where the Costco location is all of the MDU and single family homes and all the commercial that’s going there. And then we’ll use that site to gain some capacity out of both the civic center and Metro because we’re getting tight on capacity there. So we’ll take existing locations and turn them back in the phase seven as part of a redesign. We also have some plans. We’re in the midst of working on a on a grant right now to pick up middle mile funding to build phase eight and phase eight would be starting at the would be located at the airport and building west of town hopefully up into hygiene. And then another location that will be we’re going to expand our presence at Harvard because we’re running out of capacity there. Set up a presence on the north. side of highway 66. And then after some more in depth conversations with the town of lions probably building up towards lions to cover the LPC footprint up there. We’re also working on the network resilience piece, we have a lot of bad aerial fire, I don’t think that’s a surprise surprised anybody the squirrels are pretty good here and they they chew us up. So we have plans to again replace probably about a mile of aerial fiber. And we’ll continue down that path trying to increase that that length every year. And then we have a city on backbone, there’s 53 nodes on that backbone. Our plan is to visit one of those nodes every week and try to regain fiber. Recovering a fiber for us is quite valuable. It’s about $12,000 for every fiber that we that we recover. And usually it takes us about a day or day and a half to go through an entire nodes. So I think it’s money well spent on that. Evolution of the network. September 1 is a big day for us, we’re going to start offering 10 gig in the city of Longmont. So we’re going to have two additional offerings, we’ll have a two and a half gig offering, which will be $149.10 Gig offering. That’ll be $249. So it just seems to be the direction that that other fiber companies are heading, we want to make sure that we keep up. And then of course, we’re going to upgrade the the earlier phases. The design on the earlier phases, left a lot of fiber that was stranded and we’re not really using it wisely. And so we’re going to turn back, turn back and go to more of a splitter based architecture. Notable projects again, the backbone audit to recover the fiber strands, three phasing that I talked about expansion of phase eight, and then we have six city projects that we’re working. As you can see from the graph, we’re really focused on just the growth. You know, we’re planning to do about 3000 more installs for customers in 2023. And then we have about 3100 apartment units. MDU units are going to be turned up in the next 18 months that we’ll be providing facilities to to to provide services into them. You see the graph with the big spike and 22 on the spend. That’s for the same Vereen build out. We are teamed with same brain we’re building an LTE network in town to provide services to students that are on the free and reduced lunch program. There’s roughly 4200 in the into in Longmont. The bill that we’re doing addresses roughly 24 to 2800 of those students. We have 30 sites that are being turned up we have to almost 20 on air right now. And the last 10 will turn up in the month of September. So we hope to be providing a wireless alternative to those students because of the transitory nature of some of them and their housing situations to where they’ll be able to have jetpacks provided by St. Vereen, and service provided by us through this LTE network.

Unknown Speaker 2:38:16
And those dollars, this shows $900,000 here, really, it’s going to be about 1.8. But all those are reimbursed to us through a grant that same Vereen got to provide those services for their students. And the services at no cost? Of course. So. Questions?

Unknown Speaker 2:38:34
I don’t see any questions yet? Oh, counselor waters.

Tim Waters 2:38:39
Sorry, Dennis, this is the only chance I’m gonna get asked these questions. Sure. talk just a little bit of more about the 53 nodes visiting one each week to recover is that the wasted fiber or dark fiber, it’s

Unknown Speaker 2:38:55
it’s not wasted fiber, it’s fiber that is kind of chopped up. So there’s, there’s, our records aren’t as clean as they need to be. And so you may go into a node that has 144 strand fiber and maybe all but 100 and all that 12 are all bets are off at 133 Run Earth 130 to run from there, there may be 12 that are cut dead. We want to make sure that we inventory that in the we know who we got running on our fiber, where it runs and then what dark fiber opportunities we have in the dark fibers and other revenue streams and is that

Tim Waters 2:39:29
the splitter or when you talked about splitter our architecture is that the splitter architecture to to reconnect those chopped,

Unknown Speaker 2:39:38
know that the spiller splitter architecture is really just pushing a splitter cabinet out into a neighborhood. And what we’ve done in the past is we ran 144 strand fiber out in the neighborhood and we we broke out strands of fiber than we back set on half of that fiber to get back to the hut. That’s a very, an economical use of your fiber. So we’ll go out, we’ll put splitter cabinets out in the neighborhoods distribute from there to the neighborhoods, and then we’ll recover those turn back strands that we’re using.

Tim Waters 2:40:09
And you mentioned $12,000 per recovered cable is that because of the capacity that we’ve regained, it is working for customers.

Unknown Speaker 2:40:17
So you figure it Okay, you’ve got two a strand of fiber, you do a one by 32 split and a GTAW energy pawn network. So you take our take rate of 62%, or almost 62%. So I take 62% of that 32. That gives me my customer base, and I’m gonna get 50 bucks a month,

Tim Waters 2:40:35
you’re gonna make me do I know.

Unknown Speaker 2:40:38
That’s, that’s very helpful. Yes, you bet.

Unknown Speaker 2:40:43
Okay, thank you very much.

Unknown Speaker 2:40:44
You bet. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 2:40:53
So now, that wraps up our presentation for this evening, I do want to let you all know that both the presentations that you saw this evening will be placed out there, the same web address that the CIP is as long as well as the proposed budget document, so we should have those out there for you. Tomorrow morning at some point, okay. And then next week, our presentation is going to be around employee compensation and benefits. And next slide programs.

Unknown Speaker 2:41:26
Great. Can’t wait to read them.

Unknown Speaker 2:41:29
Again, if you have any other CIP questions, let us know. And we’ll add those other projects to a future date so we can go more in depth.

Unknown Speaker 2:41:37
Okay. Great. Sounds good. So, Marin Council comments. Seeing none, we’ll go to Harold Dominguez DoD

Unknown Speaker 2:41:48
comments, Mayor, council,

Unknown Speaker 2:41:50
city attorney. No comments, Mayor. All right. Can we have a motion to adjourn?

Unknown Speaker 2:41:56
I move to adjourn.

Unknown Speaker 2:42:01
Moved by Councillor Hidalgo fairing seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez. Let’s just raise your hands to vote. All those in favor. We are adjourned. Oh very funny Dara

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