Longmont City Council Pre Session – June 14, 2022

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Longmont City Council Pre Session – June 14, 2022

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Hello, everyone.

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We are here for a session to talk about that.

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We are going to go around this table and just introduce ourselves.

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I’m councilmember Susilo Marin

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the city manager, that card is the city of Las.

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Vegas, before we get started her own emails and phone messages

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because that this session is not discussed how to take away reception and lights. It is about gun safety protecting our residents and children.

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And how we can do that with the passage of SB 256.

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It was versus kind of repeal of Colorado’s restrict restricted firearm, pre action law, localities are free to take actions that will help prevent gun violence and make your communities safe.

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So that’s what this is all about. In some of the topics that we’re going to discuss our

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open carry assault, assault rifles, fighting, cooling off period background checks, minimum age to possess firearms, serial numbers require

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an issue of postcards.

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So can we as council maybe take these off one on one or make a decision about what you’re here to do and what you would like to say go forward.

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I’d like to make a statement, which is the icing state legislature has done the municipalities a tremendous disservice.

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I usually am for local control. But it’s totally appropriate when it comes to firearms, because there are very few things that

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we can do that will be effective or enforceable with regard to firearm safety or control.

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For example, starting to receive centers, there are there are six gun stores within 10 mile radius

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of here and three of them or the law, not here, the statute asked me to affect them. And the other three are Well, Your statutes have passed by passed by the counties will ever be

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in our lifetimes. So

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anything that we can do to restrict, for example, the sale of a class of weapons.

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We have no impact. Other than giving consumers the requirement to to drive two miles or 10 miles to squat 72 miles to grandpa’s,

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is that extra eight cents is your cooling off period. That’s what we can do about a cooling off period. So I don’t think that class of weapon bands make any sense on the lesson, the age makes any sense because it’s going to be lower across the county line.

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Most of these things don’t make any sense. The only the only one that I think could be potentially enforceable, and I wish to have a conversation with our law enforcement organization about it.

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I think that open carry in at least certain public places is something that we could deal with, we already have

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open airing propositions on some of the city buildings that will be the Spanish and I would like to have a discussion with our law enforcement people about what it would take to do that. It’s also the only one that I can see which makes me safe. Okay. And we’ll just make a list of things that are in our policy regime that artists to address again, so

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to say less and listen more.

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So maybe we’ll we’ll start with this. The two documents

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right represent earlier conversations about

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the First World

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first in terms of

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Knology is this report that was presented on January 28 2018, is to report

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following event to be hosted in the fall.

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And some of the people in this room

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were involved in the World Cafe conversation.

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It was the first time in my experience that I’ve seen along the continuum of second advocates or rarely for whites, to Moms Demand Action, seeing a table listening to, which was encouraging.

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The follow on to that was an actual coding session where we’ll actually use some urine some I know who are the next year, who actually leaned in, to do action planning to turn

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a set of conclusions into action.

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On the run,

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on me, the whole purpose of what we did with this was to try to make a difference, it was at the same time to Boulder went through their initial approval of their ordinance on the salt. And at the time, that was part of its acts, can I ask my brother for his reaction? And Mike’s comment was, what they’re doing is taking as soon as

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we’re done.

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And I’ve talked to Mike about this.

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Online, people who are at greatest risk of gun violence are people with

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nested situations. I’m not I’m not understanding the horror that we’ve seen the country because what, what followed on to this was this resolution,

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I want to make the distinction, this was an attempt in my mind,

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to try and move us in the direction of making a difference in the result in health and safety, along with regard to vehicles, which I did not think then I’m not certain today, I share a lot of marshes perspective,

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that no matter what we do is regulated with regulations. And I’m willing to consider what everyone want to put on the table. And I’ll vote my conscience on, you know, on those. But at the end of the day, no matter what we do, I think we’re going to be the same pattern as the other municipalities. And is to be making statements, not differences. Unless we also pride ourselves, the work that has to be done to change the culture in this country, at least you can’t change it in any other municipality, we might have a minimum impact.

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But if we only adopt ordinances, we don’t commit to engaging with our gun dealers, our advocates,

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Moms Demand Action, everybody in this town cares about this issue. And I think we will have failed to meet our obligation to the community in terms of health and safety.

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I didn’t think we’re on the fiber.

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Because this didn’t get the legs that I hoped it would. There were some groups that came together around this provided a template for action, who’s actually met several times. But it was seen, I’m not surprised at that we, those of us who were involved in helping to plan this said, we’re not going to take, we’re not going to carry the burden of facilitating action by the community as a whole.

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So it’s not surprising, I suppose.

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Fast forward to August of 2019 1000, oaks, Dayton, Ohio, I’ll pass it right that combat, that’s the sequence of those three for me.

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Left me a position to say, you know, if we can’t make a difference, at least, I’m willing to leave with my chin to make a mistake. So the resolution, right, but we adopt was not it wasn’t it didn’t take any place.

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What we did was recommended, as a council, at least four of us recommended as a council that the state legislature do its job. And we highlighted in the resolution things that were already part of the Colorado statutes, right. In fact, if you look at most of the things that the Colorado legislature already address, right, red flag laws and universal background checks, etc. But it also went to members of Congress

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in hopes that they would do their job. Right. I knew at the time it was just state making.

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I thought it was worth putting in a state that somebody’s got to do with with whatever they think is the right one.

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So I’m not opposed to doing things that we think are going to make a difference and compensating babe. It’s just this. It’s just what the other one of the other municipalities. My fear is that we fall short as I said, we’re not doing our job. So

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I think we I think

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But before we, before we pass any more laws, I’d love to read this, whether it’s this set of findings, or so many offer a new process, but with the people in this room care about this, and the people in the other room hear about this, when we come together, listen to one another and answer the question together what we have to do

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to decrease the risk of gun violence or any kind of violence, one of the findings in that initial report was that we ought to work together to reduce risks of violence across the board that can arise, comment that nice, that could be addressed that together, and we can deal with guns as part of a much immigration society. And I’m not here, and I’m not anybody off the hook here in terms of responsibilities, or whatever it is, whatever weapons to use, I just think we ought to take a really thoughtful approach to this. Because of what other municipalities did, I don’t feel at all they’re

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not going to leave.

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That said, I think we got to embrace whatever is necessary. That helps us feel like we need the standard, that our residents expect us to be addressing their health.

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I voted for the resolution.

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But the whole atmosphere.

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Looking at this and looking at things.

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If we did other information, and it would be

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good, you add or subtract.

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And that’s based on what we’ve seen, happening to make stronger.

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Honestly, what I would do best question directly. I would defer, I would say look, I love what you do both of these. I’d like to listen to somebody else.

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With me any more questions.

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First of all, I know that Colorado has a bevy of regulations already based on state legislation. And I think some of those

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red flag laws.

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ammunition, magazine, regulations were already in place. There’s some of these things are already in place is the legislature’s was appointed.

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That’s just a question I have.

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A secondary question

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is relation to enforcement? What is the reality? I don’t like I don’t like enacting ordinances that are not really enforceable.

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We have a few that there’s an argument here. We talked about fireworks as an issue.

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The high schools that go up and down Main Street is hard to enforce. Smoking on Main Street is hard to enforce these things are common occurrences to this day. And so going into something like this. First of all, I do think that low hanging fruit probably be open because that is solid, not every city in Colorado can carry I think that’s a completely different conversation.

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As far as the appearance of safety and people’s comfort levels, you’ve seen the folks on the street

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does not infringe on people’s rights to stop over here

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some of these

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background checks would say

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probably that they may not be attending we wasn’t

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is there’s there’s there’s only a period

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so I would like to make sure that I don’t believe

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and there is a legal definition of salt, salt. I think you need to be more specific is saying semi automatic

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or that that is a very large group as well.

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Being very specific

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weapons of war the salt

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out there really isn’t

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ever a desktop on that as far as

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so those are kind of my questions going into this. As far as emulating what other cities in Alien. I think we’re also uniquely placed

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with our location, scanning program and now

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Like the reality that it’s very unlikely record fires

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or ordinances much less well county is so is very likely

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declared themselves sanctuary

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recent taxes so those are all challenges that faces someone

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when we’re having this conversation

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unduly verges on somebody’s right to over a firearm

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and again, I have more questions as far as what we can do. And really what is the value

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what would

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you all

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this is something

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what are the

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so somebody

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that I have access

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to mental health

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was several years, my daughters

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need to get access to

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a new model.

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And I think she had access to that she was

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so, you know, that idea that we carry a cooling off period for different verticals crisis, some of the top that occurred around mental illness, you know, some of the metals, records to crazies and

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so, you know, just automatically throwing up people who do this, you know, they’re crazy for me, they have mental illness, no, you know, fighting or

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about 25% have a diagnosis. But there’s also another

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underlying fact that most people with mental abuse, not

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they’re not comfortable. There’s, there’s something else go on.

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So, you know, I think that some of the findings are already here. And I want to throw this word out. We do either I want to see what happened next steps, what the next step said,

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was their follow through on that, how’s this work? You know, what can we do to get this work continuing? I don’t want to go out and start something new. I want to build off of what our community has, has, you know, what people community has hidden?

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legislation or ordinances?

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But yeah, I mean, I’d like to hear what were some things that are

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some other way and for a minute, I think I think you’re comparing these two.

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Because the perception in our community is that

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the only case

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very opening varies

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my opinion,

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under attack, or they felt that they needed to intimidate somebody or prove

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our point against

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someone else.

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So that, again, can’t rain here period of two days.

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As I listened to

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other teachers in our district, we have a real mental health, almost crisis in our middle schools in high school. A pandemic is really hard on kids. There’s a lot of talk about suicide there.

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It doesn’t take much for someone who thinks they’re battling and love to be told that it’s Christmas.

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writable incredible depression. I’m here thinking along the lines, all I’m thinking it’s also probably cooling off that before

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You can actually give

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yourself some time, perhaps someone’s working with

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Republicans out of that time period, it seems so dark.

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So I have very much waiting period.

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I also think very strongly, very strongly that

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I understand that the Second Amendment says that you have the right to bear arms, but it did not define the arms that was being consenting Congress, this

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charts were considered a

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Sunday bar himself.

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Because it hasn’t been defined as to what it was, it’s been interpreted very differently. And quality 22 is very different from

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with all of our technology and the way we can purchase a firearm, and the type of purchase that, for me, watching, from the time that this open has been talking to everyone out, we are sponsored and action on gun rights. And here’s a very good community effort, we have escalated a hole in the number of killings of children and adults, the dance, my job, the way I see it is for the protection of the health, safety and welfare of our residents. And I feel like that right to bear arms has crossed over into my ability to our ability to protect people because it’s too wide. It’s too hard.

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So that’s why I want some stricter regulations, if nothing else, to tell the state and Congress that are now looking at different relations. We agree we need to move forward and dresses as people who have issues.

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They’re murdering people. And we need to address them. In our we are now a company that is at war with itself Excuse me.

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It has nothing

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to protect itself.

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And that’s what I fear going forward. We don’t make the statement to our residents that we hear you we understand.

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And we just want to bet we’re ready to support. We’re ready to move on. The books are Congress’s going to have on board says

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that this is a huge problem that will not

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that’s where

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she is do you want to address the

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Thank you, Mayor councilmembers. I’m going to list your items that you will discuss. I think I want to hear from the state where we talked about that. We really need staff, myself, Jean, direction from Council. As far as what you’re talking about as far as the past. For us to be able to look at that we’ll do some research to determine whether or not that’s

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what our capacity is. So, until we understand what it is

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only then can we make an educated

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educated answer.

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Thank you.

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So, what a suggestion

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I would have

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liked best mister may to verifies

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on leave that this

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if I understood this correctly, General Assembly gave us very limited enforcement powers in terms of local regulation in particular, when we start talking about open carry,

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you can give a $50 citation and ask him to please way

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which is

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not very strong.

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Determined to my opinion

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and to get back out there again.

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that is

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I think what we’ve heard about here,

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there are only two things that we’re likely to be considering it all away from period which

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Is that something that you believe first of all, I think that will be the

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automated systems if I understand it right, the same as automated background check.

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So I think what you’re referring to is concealed carry, concealed

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carry if you will take that firearm seriously

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I am

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using AC 30 here. It is the new legislation that SC 21 256. And they are talking about the first offense for ordinance restricting concealed carry out impose applying that exceeds $50 and may not include it

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doesn’t give us the ability to restrict open carry at all.

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This was we’re not I don’t think anybody is really worried about people

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carry permits, because they are registered and you’re trying to make permits.

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And they don’t scare. So

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I was everybody weighs in on that to say, I don’t think anybody has

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just reduced Euro. Okay.

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That is actually not the point. My point was that he was talking about skincare, but those of us who have weighed in have weighed in on open carry. And so

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our question is what penalties may be levied for to discourage Open hair?

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As my reading of it was it was the same was it away and here’s a citation

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that apparently we do have local ordinances that regulate open carry, yes,

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they will be subject to the penalty under our local code.

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Why is

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restricted and open carry

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city buildings? What else do we

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have? Just what right now? The constraints are acute, open carry here, right? You can do this justice center, the library recreation centers

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in city buildings as well. So you can extend that to a peasant is there now a public places or

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outside to

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hear how we can gather as a service

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escape statute gives us much broader

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wealth to public places to gatherings.

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eat to events

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that’s where you’re

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in terms of what the

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so we carry has no specific penalties. So we default to the general penalty, which is a fine of up to $500.

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Can you can you restate that question? Well,

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no, it can be confiscated. It could be up to 10 minutes to get it out of sight.

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What does it say about if you are opening open you are hearing in a place where open carry is prohibited and you are stopped what happens to God

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ordinance doesn’t address that.

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So to do

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what is

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to this many types and I think basically my

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role in helping

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require equal amounts and hold equal amount of bullets in the magazine as soon

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as Canada has gone the other way and they enacted regulations concerning handguns and rifles

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I believe that

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shooting King Soopers was technically the second group

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that was modified and so that’s why I think it’s nice to be specific as to types

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whatever it’s worth in terms of the resolution, which was highly criticized

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was military

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case was

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well who defines voters? That was

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my response was the military

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technology Well, that’s keeping you out of this debate about the weapon use because it

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was not an assault rifle. It was a it was a

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semi automatic handgun of some

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as counselors would be changing making the agent purchase firearms same across the board it’s 18 right sorry for anyone have

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any more

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I would like to claim what across the board so that was just not in dispute

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with the two day waiting period

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cooling off period and signage every time

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if if we can have an open hearing in our

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concealed carry in deaths that we publish, for example, and I don’t know about this contest, it has to

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do you mean concealed? I want that to be researched. I don’t feel

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research tools are there for

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somebody else to use

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if you were going to enforce a concealed a prohibition concealed carry anyway, but let’s see how would you do that with our metal detector? And that can i for me I just started research at this time can we even do that? What was the

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enforcement period is just so honest

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has anybody else

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the Westerville like ask those council members is why we would consider trying to leave it concealed carry except in specific places where there’s an obvious reason for whatever work

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we already doing in the courthouse

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mostly people who are doing concealed carry

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have reasons for doing so that I don’t necessarily agree with but they’re not very scary.

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so you know, I know that nobody has mentioned concealed carry people with concealed carry permits have already been through the process.

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Open carry is different and dangerous because first of all, you know the weapon is in your hands second, scares people. Third invites confrontation. Mother may worry

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Use us for an open carry,

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concealed carry.

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I feel it makes no sense to ask that

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COVID safety for worse than there. There are two questions. One is we regularly have people carrying assault style wealth weapons

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on Main Street and whatnot.

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If we were to cease that behavior, what impacts on public safety for us? We don’t have the answer now.

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and are

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the allowable penalties, a sufficient deterrent?

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Because if

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both of those things are not true,

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what I hate unfortunately was

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so, we will back

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up and

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as far as

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what more do we want? And

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how you recession? So, later on, we’ll actually discuss where we go, what I heard is that

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open carry some like some

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resolution or whatever you decide on open carry waiting periods, or we want to be HIV free across the board.

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Well, it just means that wherever it is restricted to

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the library or any other place,

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recreation ever being decided should be overhauled should

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literally be updated on new signs. After making sushi, as I learned about reducing the size

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of visible, a lot of universal faded, you can turn off words and we fix them. And

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but I believe getting bolder statute, it means chip designs, I’m talking about the dangers of gun ownership, any anyplace and firearms are sold.

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Which I just I’ve imagined the creative response to that

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would be good enough.

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Does it see?

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I just want to change the

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to some surface level especially

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the city council meeting news cycle.

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That’s easy to enforce, because you’ve seen holiday shots,

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speeding stops

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or information.

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Short follow up question is, if you’ve got so busy on the street on Google, the rest is we were to begin enforcing what we’re hearing.

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I think we want to hear about things like

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how the officers are being diverted from emergency response because they’re engaged in hearing interaction or something like that with your recommendation.

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officers on duty in particular,

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things like that, because we want policemen to work, right.

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And so if you’re going to give us a job and they can happen for

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you make sure that they are set up for success.

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So I that’s that’s what I like to see.

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Come back to us in addition to just because

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I think several of us can

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carry condition because it is inherently

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something that we could

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new threats.

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So the question then becomes,

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how much is it going to be process to investment? And

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you know, are there unintended consequences that we have those we have said, cyber that self learners that said, Please do this, please ban all this adopt all these measures so that my children will be safe. And

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I don’t think that most of these things will make your children any safer at all.

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The lack of ordinary COVID

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phasing out open carry is unfortunate things about.

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So you’re saying Open carry.

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That’s well, that’s, that’s the only one I think will be affected. If all the council wants to use us to consider other ideas. I am not necessarily against other ideas. But my losses in this use the open carry prohibitions are the only ones that will make any difference and

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that maybe,

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because there were six those scores within

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one live demo, three of them are in Rockland County is

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going to

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increase the age limit, they’re not going to impose waiting period, we’re not going to do any of that stuff. I will be real surprised to hearing from you about doing background checks.

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So I want to just make a statement. You’re not You’re not discussing anything.

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It’s just monologues. But if right across the street is not enforced, in our enforcement, here are your independent news, emergency disadvantages without changing the availability of the public.

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To review that says

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I would like to know what are the

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for anyone who violates things that are already walked

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But so it’s really normal. What can we do

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to create harsher punishments for people who are don’t have enough locked up? You know, I think about three

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hours a month as teachers, we were all freaking out, we have kids to build they’re

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out there. You know, it was looking at our

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child card, or who does have

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locked up my understanding

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that it was locked, so he was able to access it. So this is what works can we do?

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Or what kind of laws we had, that would have prevented something like that.

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So per se so that they did not happen? covertly. They are blocking your homes.

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I think this is spiritual. As long as one of the Good News is

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The good news is that out that the state our state legislatures, that said,

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no matter what state doesn’t matter what we do, there are times where the law does not change for him.

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daughter was suicidal, we had the gun out of the house, it was on the other side of the continent, and I didn’t even want to hear well. She could have access to something

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law requires now.

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You now there’s one of the cultural things that that we could do. In fact, I’m not sure which institution is doing it.

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Somebody is giving away

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as we

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reinforced that by by promoting other charitable activities to make proper storage for firearms, or you make leaders in homes have people go home from the hospital with a gun case just like they do.

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Arson course.

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There are many things the long run as a municipality could do other than regulating firearms.

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At that point,

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In fact,

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understanding District Attorney’s offices

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is supposed to

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augment with a number of blocks.

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Arizona law level of interest in

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other things encouraging or not rewarding? Happy things. You know, if you see something, say something happened to us or see something

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because that’s

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a little harder to do for other folks, for students, we have the safe to tell those avenues were happening before you can do that way.

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What can we do as Tality token mechanism? That for? Or how can we bring out the water? You haven’t been great article to me that we see some people

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working with reports. And just to streamline

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this complicated chain of phone numbers.

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And absecon, we have something that is worth

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I don’t know what the answer is from but I think that’s a question we can use to be used. Yes, I think we ought to challenge ourselves to say to the people in this room with faith leaders in this country, with service public issues with our business solutions, to say this is important. Just you could just do that.

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But we need to elevate the level of discussion.

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And then let’s see where it goes in terms of what are the the artifacts that come out of that protocols, that still got clear messages to the community that when you do see something, here’s how it’s easily and seamlessly share with people

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and prevented faster. I just think

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whatever we do here is no doubt important.

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So things we’ve talked about,

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what what you’re talking about Susie are the things that are going to ultimately

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what we get back in fall 2018 is a place to start board on, I’m guessing if you

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gave the community a chance to have the same kind of conversation, my guess is probably the same for

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you and I do want to continue this work by doing if you want to have to communicate something that isn’t helpful is water. No, I’m going to take you out or whatever emails that we got. And I’m like, well, that doesn’t really elicit on any kind of open communication. For me, you know, I’m coming in with this open mind looking at all possibilities. Because maybe what we thought was the answer is the end of this session, we might have come up with something that we didn’t really think about coming into. So that’s what what my goal was, in having this conversation, being able to come out of something coming out with something that will address the problem without, you know, without, okay, these are what I wanted to do, this is what I want. This is my plan, but really having an open mind to come up with realistic solutions. This second year, I don’t know this.

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But it’s second

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district attorney has reached out to several gun holding our gun store gun deals.

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And asked if they’d be willing to work with the distributor on on what can be and how could they be part of the solution. So whether it’s waiting periods, or whatever it might be.

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If we if this whole initiative inspires that, then I think we’re getting a step in the right direction. But regardless of what we do, or an additional, I’m not saying we’re not going to do it. But I think we ought to encourage we ought to we ought to invite that part of our community to the table and listen and figure out where is the common ground we can find again,

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the kinds of things those folks who are up every day dealing with the sale of ammunition or firearms, can you be part of the solution and how far they’re willing to host it to meet the interest of other systems or others.

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I’m not sure that she’s on training

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So I consider this basically what you’re saying

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or somebody come up with a better idea. I’m just saying ordinances. Maybe there may be new ordinances like are necessary to certainly not sufficient or necessary, sufficient cultural issue issues with

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other communities, we ought to be at least Tangyuan.

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I agree. I don’t think we ignored Edward, long on up the next

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minute scared to death. And we’re the best example and what

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he means when they said he did this talk. And, you know, come

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on, no action people

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that have these schools,

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at our events or audition.

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For years, I mean, so what do we want to do going forward? We want to

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work in worship.

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And we want to

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put in some of the things that we talked about the direction to research, that was the resolution? Or

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the nation’s

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forum to set up?

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my frustrations are?

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Well, there are a lot of people there, I would say,

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eight people that were there.

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And that, that bothers me because they have perceptions out there for what their city could do.

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Now, that’s great. Well, I think you start to start with a different question. If I were to replicate what we did, I think the methodologies are different. But let’s come up with a different idea.

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is to is to, is to not in this with

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a there’s a waiting period, open carry whatever medicine is, I agree with you on that.

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He should ever be an issue that we don’t discuss ever.

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So going forward, when we go into the council chambers,

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do we want to have a discussion about where we want to go with direction to staff, so they know what they have to research? They know what they’re

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what we want them to do?

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Because sometimes we have all these discussions. I see Earl sitting there.

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And the direction is

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we have to wait. This is a public meeting and we’re not passing ordinances. Can we just say, directions our Council meeting on the agenda

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for future agenda items,

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was that we’re out?

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So we can discuss this?

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No, I mean, we are out of your way.

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So I am curious.

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Okay, so all of these are lists of regulations that are implemented by other seasonal accounting Correct? I would like to know and depending on your bandwidth

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research, why would you buy that? But I would like to know of you what are the implications of all of these things that were passed? And I would like to know more, it’s hard to you know, get your coffee. But, you know, I would like to know, you know, what are what are what is realistic for a municipality to pass? Is it enforceable? Is it legal

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in a larger scene, federal and state law

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rights to do that.

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Contract with our federal law

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holders, so convenient.

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needed direction to staff could that be part of the direction it Yeah, but I would like to know like if this is going to where they come off all around their chair up. Oh, I’ll let her clap.

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Most of it’s actually going to be Eugene,

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most of it’s actually going to be

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mayor Council, so it’s the second

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project to

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research on those issues. And,

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you know, we have limited resources. If that’s what Council directs, we will certainly do that. But then we won’t be able to devote resources to other priorities and city,

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housing or other things that are going on in my office. So

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my recommendation would be to research those things that is most interested in

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rather than doing a comprehensive review of setting them at all.

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Have something to add to that? Not when we think about, we’ve been working in a world for layperson about constitutional law, especially the Second Amendment. But

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I did talk to some officeholders and other municipalities. And they said, Well, we will didn’t consider the implications of this.

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They just passed the states.

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So we may be the only municipality that is seriously concerned about

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doing things that will have a positive impact on the community and not doing

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a negative impact.

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And that will be my reason for focusing on things that we might actually

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for me to decide

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who’s going to cause

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these things once we decide that

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we know

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you’ll be on your direction to

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Stranger with breast cancer.

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Impact public safety will

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meet Well, depending on what we are asking you to research. I don’t know how he will know.

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Because he doesn’t know what we want him to look at.

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Yeah, I think that’s what I was gonna say. I think the hard part.

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I think it’s more we understand where you want us to start what was gonna happen, I think it’s easier for them to say, here’s what the impact is going to be. Because if you did everything, there’s obviously going to be some impact and you have to quantify this totality of what or indirectly

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to what clarity we have

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time to get

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back in the council,

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I just been making some notes talking to coworkers this evening is

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one of the local qualities that his horses pass, but what I heard was

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more or less in

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a in a certain area

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open carry

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also about how that impact

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how we will enforce that

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cost because

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based on whatever else decided that we like

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and then ways for people to basically see something say something

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that will call to the next

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dimension provide information more efficiently.

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They also heard about communicasia.

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Talking about that, I agree with those compensation

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Council decision

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so I think that was those are kind of the two boxes.

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and I think is marriage you mentioned. Well we’re looking for directions as a starting point. Because I believe it will work out

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research is based on

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community wants to see that they will have to be more specific How would you

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buy a firearm that all that begins with the

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topic of concealed carry

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get that as a as a

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as a community what that looks like bring that back and then have versus discussion to have

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impact on the city as a whole for the community and

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if I can accept I think it’s a process of going through the legalization of marijuana,

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we’ve got work there and

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then we were able to go here’s what it’s going to take from the staff perspective. Here’s how we’re gonna go through the process because there will

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be less of an impact on public safety or impact environment and so it was a hell of a sudden when we take into account that we do liquor licensing, marijuana licensing, this type of licensing deal you’re probably have to look at a license and staffing and this is

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referring to the number one save all of these if we looked at all those are the kinds of things you would start hearing to say well

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if you have to deal with an age like yourself in those states that’s going to be support we’re going to have to treat licensing requirements which would be a little bit different and so

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the more you get clarity

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I have a question on waiting for the license during that time

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are you serious

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she saw this debit

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or the background check it

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basically you will pass everything

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pass it

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just because of all you

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conceivable already

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it’s already illegal accounting for some

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so the challenge was discovered

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it’s already

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here’s what I’m hearing for promotion

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we open carry on

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this is really what we want to do

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is requirements across the board

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just to make the same

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and silence

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the direction to have an open forum discussion

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sometime in July we’ve got

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more than four but our community discussion

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engagement process of selling

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in July

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as quickly as possible

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your choice

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to meet as a Council voted to make this decision about these issues that we’re

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asking them

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to research we like

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the residents to weigh in on the ballot issue

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we asked for a statute develop

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so that is something that you bring back because

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at first reading

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is just what they

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told you to research during nap current political issues

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me explain your question

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counselor to put two options

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one you can make the decision as adopting horses are you good ever referred to

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so I will make that motion in illiquid

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developers process

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devil was just pastorate process that most of those items

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the United States

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interesting which

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I just thought that was really

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weird the supplier

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prohibition on

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it says

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soon as

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President Trump executive order

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which feels very positive for his constituency

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it’s hard to comprehend a person vital

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The thing about home sucks isn’t there are a number of technologies

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accelerated firing rate of semi automatic well, and so banning bump bump stops is kind of performative because you just use one of the other technologies to get the same results which is

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The reason that I’m not that excited about banning classes, because it’s so easy to work around, and I’m sorry about all of this stuff, but my angels were collectors to Federal Firearms licenses. So

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some other foods.

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those kinds of

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legal manufacture and sell those individual currently under

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are open.

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It’s not as common,

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but they had some

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students catching bass in the fall stretch.

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Gonna get your somebody’s purchase kit to build a gun.

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They haven’t told themselves

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without a federal license

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they can make a purchase.

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Purchase the parts.

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Obviously owning a gun without

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is legal. As long as

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it comes and goes.

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very expensive.

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So the Feds allow that we can we

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So we just have to call the sheriff’s office right of

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course, we do

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So even the sheriff’s office?

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it’s a little more

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this is a very simple

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to agenda

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you’re going to leave the question of orders versus referred for us in the ocean versus referring words

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down the road, once you see

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that once it comes back on first reading, pull it off and discussing the language that says that white

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person and brother have conducted your business and then decide whether or not to put it off for first reading, it would be helpful to get some input from the community.

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There’s a part of me that thinks

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if we do that, and it’s just, this is gonna just be a lot of noise. Right? Which is why I’m asking you a question do you balance investment? If we’re talking about there’s gonna be a lot of rhetoric between

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that would be the downside, in my opinion, that we deal with it and move on. The other side of that is maybe people in this room or the community

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would prefer that and we’d like to, you know, we’d like to weigh in, and I’d like to hear

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both sides.

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Have to afford it as we make that decision. I’d love to hear from those who care about this city, do your job and pass an ordinance or absolutely give the community choose. And I

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want to bring it back as we talk to counsel about bringing it back as a zero reading or yes, we can bring it back as a zeroing in then we can work with the public information to about some kind of surveyor

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who wanted to ask that question and maybe have that information.

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We can do it that way if you’re

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on a survey

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right now

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business Yeah, so we so

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we talked about zero ratings and counselors are complicated issues.

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have words and things like affordable housing ordinances it was bringing it back. We’re we have an introduction where you can ask for us to change. Or I was suggesting that so the emails give it a platform where people can derive their responses, we aggregate those

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that’s Council’s direction

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remark about survey versus ballot.

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There is a

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need to varies depending on what happened in last week’s news, there is a passion differential in terms of who’s gonna respond to a survey.

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And so I’m not sure how frustrating that would be. The other thing is about putting it on the ballot is that I think it might increase the legitimacy of the statute once it off, you know, that I think that you know, if there was a 6040 bow that says, Yeah, we really don’t want open carry in this community, then we

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would have our answer and and

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then we could have a conversation about you know, why you feel that way because I don’t feel that way. I can legally get down to brass tacks. But in the meantime, there would be more

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private choice works on my part that public input or to get the information

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and get those specialized

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public engagement

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