Sustainability Advisory Board Meeting – April 21, 2021
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would now like to call the April 21 2021 Longmont sustainability advisory board meeting to order. Can we please start with a roll call? Sure Kate collards in present Mary Lynn. President Adam Reed, President Jim Metcalf, President Charles Musgrave. I’m here, cave all Meyer. I’m here. We have Lisa Knobloch.
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Annie Noble. I’m here. Nancy Jaffe. Here, Tim Ellis.
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Then we have Dave Hornbacher.
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And Trista, just to forgive me, I don’t know your last name. Few get a few dates. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And I don’t see Councilmember Christiansen here yet. But if she comes in, I’ll let you all know.
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That and we have a quorum. We do. Yes. Perfect. Thank you.
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The next one on the on the agenda is approving the minutes from last the last meeting.
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Would anybody like to make a motion to approve those minutes? Motion to approve? I will Second.
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All in favor? Aye. And All right. All right. That looks like unanimous approval.
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Thank you. Um, so the next item is public invited to be heard. So I will open it up for the public invited to be heard.
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Each person wishing to speak will be unmuted to speak one at a time.
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When it is your turn to speak. Please state your name and your address for the record. As Heather noted, you will have three minutes to comment I will be keeping time and I will interrupt you at three minutes. And if you continue speaking you will be muted. So
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we will now open it up.
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Alright, first we have doe Kelly.
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Oh, where is she?
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Looks like she may have dropped out of the meeting. I’m not seeing her on our list. So we’ll go to Tim Shockley
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hey yeah, thank you for this is Tim Shaklee in Boulder, Colorado 3066 60 in Boulder, Colorado. Thanks for the opportunity to to bring up a couple of things that might be of interest. I’d like to call your attention to two articles that were sent to you recently, roughly describing hims Oh, it’s an acronym ATMs home energy management systems are two articles are one was a solar today article called titled intelligent energy operating system for the solar homes and micro grids of the future. It’s about homes technical standards under development. And the second article was I triple E spectrum tomorrow’s power grid will be autonomous about hems project by holycross energy, RTA and NRL and best salt.
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These are these articles are relevant to long one’s goal of getting to 100% renewable energy by 2030.
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If you’d look at the lot of man climate action recommendations report of June 2020.
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If you look at page 18, there is a some recommendations. One is our E to Home Energy Management Systems. Hence, this identifies hems as a key element and utilizing a distributed solar and storage.
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The hems role is clearly described by the these two articles above that I mentioned. The second item I’d like to point out is our E one smart meters the role is of the smart meters not not made clear. And it has never been explained exactly how these meters will get to help get to 100% are they’re expensive and their value is only assumed a smart meters heavily promoted by industry. Sometimes they claim to be enabling time of use pricing.
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But time of use is not appropriate for wind and solar. They really need time of renewables rates instead. That’s what hams do. Time of renewables rates in a sense. In any case, my recommendations are that the sustainability advisory board should examine these technology options carefully. The following options, smart meters, hems, and another one called a DMS automated distribution management systems. mentioned that in seconds
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But how does the question to ask is how these actually function to get Longmont to 100% long amount is considering spending many millions of dollars on meters. But how would meters help in comparison to spending on hems, and on ATMs ATMs is automated distribution management systems are sometimes called Advanced
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at ATMs is needed for derms another acronym distributed a distributed energy management systems. Longmont will need ATMs and derms to coordinate and that’s how many Perper grid initiatives. So please take a look at how these will actually contribute to the Climate Action Plan.
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Okay. Next step. We have bill all altos.
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Just wanted to point out, a lot of us have thought for sustainability and environmental action for a long time. And the problem has always been there. Well, we need to do cost more. We’re now in a transition. There’s a few things going on. Particularly what statkraft is done in Europe with a virtual power plant that is 100%, renewable, there are 100. They’re the largest renewable energy supplier in the world. They bought no equipment, it was all off balance sheet just contracting with existing resources, and then bringing them together in an AI platform. It is now the most wildly profitable power plant in the world, as well as being the biggest and 100% renewable. An incredible example as we transition with Platte River Power, what an opportunity and if it’s customer owned resources. This is a whole level of economic development. This may be a way to bring in the chamber of commerce and others who are large energy users and an opportunity for them to lower their rates and generate revenues.
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So the virtual power plant concept needs to be clearly and explicitly vetted by PRP they should be made to prove that won’t work before it’s disregarded like they are now. Secondly, another really good opportunity for Longmont is you did something brilliant at your treatment plant, which makes renewable natural gas which is going to convert all your trucks, buses, all your all the it’s brilliant, they redid the renewable energy credits are really large. And right now you’re building out your vehicles and you don’t have enough to generate the credits and you’re burning it at the flare, losing about 100 to $200,000 a year in credits for college transportation, I’ve talked to them and the head attorney at EPA in charge of this program, and ask them if you put that guests in a tanker and you send it over to Fort Collins to charge their buses, would it generate credits the same as when you put it in your vehicles? And the thought was Yes. So there’s another example of how we can prove renewable pays today, the VPP is going to be the big one. But right now you’re losing a couple 100,000 at the treatment plant that can be captured and so very exciting that we can show the money to the people who have always obstructed our environmental efforts. Great times. Thank you.
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Thank you very much. Next we have Marty Pfeffer.
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Hi, this is Marty Pfeffer 100 Sandler drive Lafayette. I want to comment on the proposed advanced metering infrastructure system for the city of Longmont in its application of smart electric meters city wide. By sharing my experience being sensitive to the spectrum of electrical frequencies. I believe that converting the electrical metering system to a cellular frequency communication system will pose a serious long term health threat to everyone exposed to the operation of these meters in ways similar to my experience. All of life operates with electrical energy at the same fundamental operating frequency of roughly 7.83 hertz or 7.83 cycles per second. That is also the frequency of our planet from which in which we are all made, are finely tuned bodies and all that and all that of all organisms response to the increases to exposure above 7.83 hertz, and register it in our functioning. Imagine our basic body vehicles, our machinery, and a lifelong continual environment of basic electricity cycling at 60 hertz, nearly nine times our normal operating frequency, amplify that with each increased frequency in our world all the way up to microwave frequency. The band is cellular communication technology used
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That level is 10 gigahertz. Think about that for a moment 10 to the ninth power cycles per second. When the switches pulled the power up a new ami metering system, every person will suddenly be exposed to that level of microwave frequency. Why then Haven’t we all dropped dead and gone extinct 100 years ago. Many who deny the reality of harm due to the exposure justify their beliefs this way. The curve of mortality due to the range of autoimmune diseases correlates to the curve of the development of electrical technology over the last 150 years, we have a certain amount of resilience and adaptability and so the pace of ill health and disease can be unnoticeable. Like the analogy of a frog and a slowly heated pot of water that never notices it has been slow boiled until it suddenly dies. I have what is called electromagnetic sensitivity, the condition of being consciously aware of certain damaging effects from exposure to electrical frequencies. My body shows me symptoms of impaired functioning and illness when I am exposed to higher frequencies for too long. How much is too long varies a lot and I have learned to know the sources of symptoms and the steps I need to take to protect and restore myself to a healthy balance or as near as I can maintain it. It is a dominating function of my life to strive for a normal night of sleep. I am like a canary in a coal mine and you are all there with me. Whether you are canaries or not, I am with some demands. slow the pace of your approval process to make a thorough study of health risks. Approach the technology as guilty until proven safely innocent. initiate a citywide public awareness and participation campaign on the proposal. Utilize online newspaper, television and radio media and neighborhood leafleting to promote the campaign and act citywide public forums in many locations. initiate a certified voter approval process for the Okay.
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Thank you. And we have one last one. Joe Kelly was able to rejoin us so we’ll have her speak.
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Can you hear me? We can a technical glitches. Hi everyone. This is Joe Kelly a barberry drive in Longmont. Last month I spoke about the near failure of the power grid in February almost leaving us like Texas in the dark and cold. Thankfully almost doesn’t count except to serve as a cautionary tale. I’m gratified to know this month guests include the Longmont power communications along with the PRP EA, I’ll be interested to hear what they have to say on this topic and on the state of our current energy management or lack thereof. As you know, I’m also an advocate for safe technology, which does not include wireless smart meters. As a person who has experienced microwave sickness I consider wireless devices on every home in business that send and receive microwave RF emissions to be far too dangerous and risky of a proposition that includes fires and security risks, and a potential massive boondoggle for the city as these meters fast become obsolete and the advent of future tech already and almost here that’s far safer and more customer centric. What I’m speaking of is on the premises energy generation, battery storage and energy sharing and micro grid networks. And the term I’ve only recently learned of which is virtual power plants, all of which together would shield us against many of the vagaries of unrelenting natural weather events our Mother Nature presents us with over the past year you’ve heard the name Tim shakily you’ve heard it just a little while ago when he spoke to you. You’ve heard it from me and others in this meeting and city council. And as I’ve said before, he’s an experts expert on wired and wireless communication a statement of fact and not opinion. This is his life’s work with expertise and not only telecommunications but renewable energy. I asked Heather to send you via email Tim’s June 2020 comments to the FCC so you can read his qualifications. Tim seems to me like one of the actual grandfather’s of this entire field for over 25 years he engineer development of electric utility gateways and energy management systems. He had a major role developing into international standards for home and building networks. And for ami. He was developing software and hardware in the 70s and was a pioneer developer of RFID technology. His decades long career in international standards began in the 80s and continues to this day. In his spare time, he’s been a successful entrepreneur in this industry in the 90s. He was there when smart meters were invented, which I think qualifies him greatly to comment on the subject. People fly Tim today to court appearances as an expert witness or engage him as a featured presenter. He’s the forrest gump of telecommunications and renewables. I’m grateful that he gave us three minutes today and I invite anyone here to invite Tim for a full presentation on any of the above topics I request
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You read his comments to the FCC regarding a redo of the 1996 radio frequency guidelines. Last month, one of this board’s visionaries, Marianne, thanks.
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And that’s all we have chair. All right.
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Thanks everyone for the comments.
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The next item on the agenda is
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the any revisions of documents staff, do you are there any revisions or submission of documents to bring up
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new this what I’m saying okay.
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Then we will move on to the general business.
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So, we are going to have a presentation from
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a PR pa and LPC so I will pass it over to Trista from Platte River Power Authority. The floor is yours. Hi, thank you, Kate. Appreciate that. So good afternoon, Longmont, sustainability advisory board members. My name is trusted gate and I am Platt rivers. I’m Director of Community and government affairs. And I am pleased today to join you to provide an update on Platte River activities. Next slide please.
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there we go. Perfect. Okay. Today’s presentation will include the following areas of discussion, a quick Platte River overview for those watching her who may be tuning in that aren’t as familiar with pot revert when provide that and describing our relationship with a for Northern Colorado communities. Also, then we’ll dive right in to the 2020 integrated resource plan or iorp. For a quick overview of that plan that was approved back in the fall, followed up then by okay now what am our energy future so brief discussion on some milestones and that pathway to 2030. At that point, I will hand over the baton to Dave Hornbacher who will cover off some information on the distributed energy resources committee and what that committee is doing in terms of a DR strategy to help provide a quick overview or update on that as well as some activities taking place at Longmont power and communications. Next slide please.
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So again, the the quick 32nd maybe a little longer commercial on flat River Power Authority. So Platte River is a not for profit, community owned generation and transmission provider to the four Northern Colorado communities of Estes Park, Fort Collins, Longmont and Loveland. We are considered public power. mayors of our owner communities sit on our board, as well as I’m typically the electric utility director and each of our and our communities. So here in Longmont, what that means is Mayor Bagley sits on our board as well as Dave Hornbacher. And Dave at our last board meeting was elected Chair of the Platte River board. So he will assume that role following this next board meeting, so congratulations to Dave. And so our board structure allows us to provide for local decision making and to be responsive to the constituents and our four and our communities. Decisions are shaped and guided by three board approved as our set board established rather core pillars to safely deliver energy that is reliable, financially sustainable, and environmentally responsible. Next slide, please.
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Quick little map here to show where our communities are located. You all probably know this very well. But coming from Texas, it took me a while to get my bearings and figure out the geography of the land. And this map helped. So providing that again for anybody tuning in. So are at for owner communities, Estes Park, Fort Collins along Mont and Loveland. And this gives you an idea here based upon the retail customers at each of those and our communities, how big the Platte River service territory are for our communities. Our next please.
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And next slide.
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For those of you who may not be familiar with what an IRB is, why we do one, when we do one who we report to a quick overview so by
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law. And to remain eligible for our federal hydro power allocations, Platte River must submit an IR p, or an integrated resource plan to wapa, which is the western area power Association every five years. Here in the electric industry, we love our acronyms. So sorry, sorry about that trial. If I say something that you’re not familiar with, just please stop me. And the IR p mes include a five year action plan. However, this IR peas typically model out much further than that. And to about 20 years, the 2020 iorp was developed in alignment with our resource diversification policy that directs staff to work toward the goal of 100% non carbon energy generation by 2030. While maintaining our three pillars and those three pillars, I mentioned a couple of slides back as a reminder, our reliability, environmental responsibility and financial sustainability, the iorp it’s just a snapshot, a snapshot in time. And it’s a predictive plan. So it’s based on proven commercial technology. In other words, what’s available today, what can we buy today, outside of the formal irlp process, Platte River regularly performs modeling exercises. For example, anytime we bring on a solar or wind project, which we’ve done several times, since our last IRB was approved in 2016. We’re going to model those resources and those assets to see how they fit into our overall system. And many iorp, if you will, so them modeling is not foreign to us. We do this quite often. Next slide, please.
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I believe our resource diversification policy was included in your board packet for today’s meeting. But as an overview, our board unanimously approved this policy and December of 2018. So we’ve had it for about two and a half years or right at two and a half years. Again, I’ve mentioned it previously, but it does direct staff to work towards that 100% non carbon resource mix by 2030. While keeping in mind those three pillars, as well as it outlines, nine different caveats. Nine things that must be achieved in order for us to be successful. You’ve got a few there on your screen as examples, but I encourage you to read through the policy for the entire list of nine for those that are maybe joining or like they don’t have the board packet in front of them. This policy is also posted online at PRP a.org. And use the search function for resource diversification policy and it should pop right up.
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Next slide please.
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The 2020 I RP which was kicked off in summer of 2018. So 2018 was a big year, we had that iorp kickoff and we had that resource diversification policy approved
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the 20. And the 2020 irlp took a little bit longer for us to approve and take out through that process. And our board adopted it in October October 29 of last year.
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And it achieves a greater than 90% co2 reduction from our 2005 levels by 2030. Now you may be asking what’s what’s important about 2005? Well, that’s because our state legislature passed some laws back in 2019. That established that as a baseline for measuring our greenhouse gases and our reductions in on the way to the greenhouse gas reduction roadmap pathway.
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So as listed here on the slide, the 2020 ir p retires all coal generation by 2030. So that means the units that we have partial ownership in being creg units one and two, both me retired and 2025 and 2028, respectively, respectively, as well as our baseload generation unit rawhide unit one by December 31 of 2029. This plan also as substantial renewables and batteries, it does add rice reciprocating internal combustion engine units, but only if and when they are needed and they would be to maintain system reliability only not contemplated to reduce our to replace baseload rather, should be noted that those rice units are
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Outside of that five year action plan that I mentioned on that iorp overview slide. So again, would not be these are not immediate purchases. And since we plan to have a couple more I RPS before 2030.
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You know, chances are those those will not be needed.
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So, again 2020 irlp, exceeds legislative goals that were embodied and the legislation passed back in 2019, being sb 236, and Hb 1261, as well as the goal of the Colorado greenhouse gas pollution roadmap reduction roadmap, that is a novel and I get that wrong every time. So sorry about that. But again, that goal is to decrease utility and generated carbon emissions by 80%, over 2005 levels, and remember, ours achieves a greater than 90% reduction over those 2005 levels. And we’re able to achieve all this with a modest rate increase, honestly, two to 3% annual rate increase anticipated until 2030.
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You know, considering a, our rates would increase, just slightly lower than this under the base case scenario. That’s awesome, awesome for what we can do. So cumulatively, for a 29% rate increase through 2030, we’re able to achieve a great reductions, or as we would have normally had a 24% rate increase anyway, so you’re really again looking at a very minimal rate impact to achieve these emission reduction levels.
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Next slide, please.
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And after Board approval, this plan received statements of support from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, Colorado Energy Office, as well as the governor. I’m pretty proud of that.
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Next slide, please.
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So with the adoption of the 2020, IR RP, and the establishment of our new baseline, Platte River remains committed to our board approved resource diversification policy, again, with that stated goal of 100% non carbon energy by 2030. Plus with the adoption of this plan, Platte River has committed to voluntarily somebody a clean energy plan to the air pollution control division. And so surpassing the minimum requirements of the of the CP, to reduce emissions by 80% of the 2005 baseline. And again, that the 80% of the 2005 baseline as was contemplated in Hb 1261.
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And, thankfully, our planning doesn’t stop with our 2020 iorp, nor our clean energy plan. And we are committed to completing at least two more IRR peas by 2030. So a lot can and will change between now and then. Next slide please.
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That brings us to our energy future. Next place.
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This particular slide as well as the next one was included in our board packet for last month’s meeting related to a discussion on strategic planning and goal setting. However, this discussion was was postponed until this month board meeting which will take place next Thursday. So you guys are getting a preview. So you know consider yourself like special because our board hasn’t even seen these yet, or they have not discussed them just yet. On the slide, we captured what we’ve identified through our current planning efforts, as our milestones, the things that we know that we’re going to measure ourselves against, recognizing that a lot will change during the given the fact that we’ve committed to those two additional IR peas. So if you’ll notice in the years 2024 and 2028.
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We have there the the MRP is noted in bold. Okay, I’d like to draw your attention to the first five years of this, the milestone timeline, which is our five year action plan. You will notice in there that we only have slated that 150 megawatts of solar at being added in the year 2030.
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Other resources including the rice, if it is needed, are in 2029 and 2030. However, we do have a footnote there that states that because of those two plans that we know we’re we have coming up the other two irpt
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We, you we’re assuming that some of this will shift or shift around, but but not more than likely within that five year action plan. Okay, I just want to be straight and upfront with what all this means. So it’s kind of a lot, a lot to take in. But again, the five year action plan includes only that 150 megawatts of solar. However, we, you know, we have our iorp in 2024, which could shift things around. So I’m just wanting to make that crystal clear. Next slide, please.
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Again, this slide, and not yet discussed with our board is a graphic representation of that pathway that we are on as a result of the activities that were outlined on the on the milestones slide. Likewise, it draws attention to key items and that blue box that are needed to get us there yet to get us to that in 2030. And to support this path to 2030. And our efforts, the board will undertake a strategic planning process later this year. In fact, the IR and I RFI was sent to our city newspapers in the inner communities, and is running today and it should be ready today at least as well as Friday. It’s also been posted up on our website and sent to approximately 15 potential vendors. So we we expect to then issue the IR or the RF, I keep when I say RP, we wiki we expect to submit or to issue rather than RFP then sometime over the summer, mid summer timeframe, hopefully then awarding in early fall and starting our process, the strategic planning process before the end of the year.
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Next slide, please. I think that yes, that brings us to Dave’s portion of the presentation. So I’m happy to pass off to Dave at this point. Thank you. Yeah, thank you Trista. I’m Dave Hornbacher. I’m the executive director of law, my power communications. And I’m also providing a brief DDR strategy update because also, I am the co chair of the DDR strategy committee with Platte River Power Authority. And that, that is, as you can see, by all the different cities above, it’s a collaborative work between the four cities of Estes Park, Fort Collins, Longmont in Loveland and Platte River. So we’re all got our sleeves rolled up and are working on this next slide, please.
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So for for many of you, you may already know everything that’s on this list. And for some of us, this is sort of a new and growing area. And so I want to just pause here for a moment. Because the ers stand for many different things, the distributed energy resources. And classically, there’s five categories that they fall into. If you go on the internet, you might find six, you might find a little less. I think this is sort of a growing area. But this is this is normally what you’ll see, which is the distributed generation. So typically, that might be like rooftop solar
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energy efficiency. So anything that we do to really conserve or become more efficient with our electric energy is part of a energy resource. And most of you probably should be aware, but there’s also the efficiency works through Platte River Power Authority, and that gives access to our different
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community members to different types of E fish, NC rebates, and also home energy audits and so forth. So if you haven’t been there, I encourage you to look up efficiency works. We also talk about beneficial electrification and demand response. And the fifth is distributed energy storage. So that’s the typical five that we’re going to talk about. Next slide, please.
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So what is a high distributed energy resource future look like? That’s actually one of that’s what we’re working on right now. As a committee, so this has been a year long effort that we will finish in June of this year. We’ve had three public meetings so far, we’ll have a fourth to sort of roll out and discuss the results of the work from the teams from the four cities plus Platte River and the community input that we’ve received. So there’s work going on we created three subcommittees there in the areas of planning and evaluation, operations and customer programs. So these are the main areas that everyone is working in to come
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Come up with basically, strategy documents. And so in the end, it is a strategy document that the four cities in Platte River will use to then start design different types of programs that we can implement. Next slide.
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And so within some of the framework, it talks about policies and processes, programs, rate incentives, or technology investments. So really, very wide swath there. But two step approach, qualitative, as well as quantitative. So it’s how do these different types of DDR strategies contribute to our communities as well as the goals? And is it consistent with the guiding principles and visions, and also the quantitative is really looking at benefits and costs from the perspective of owner communities, host customers, our general society as well as Platte River. Next slide, please.
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Ah, so that was the brief overview on the D e Rs. But part of what trustus sort of had laid out, we were asked sort of, well, what is Longmont doing. And so that is the next slide presentation that Heather is bringing up.
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So I’ve sort of broken it up into three steps. And if,
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and you may or may not have seen some of these slides before, depending on if you were at the sustainable resilient Longmont meeting. First, we’re going to talk about getting into shape, sort of three steps, innovative tools and choices, and then sort of wrap it up. So this first section, I’m really going to talk about the basics of what we see for our customer load and some of the challenges associated with that, and some of the vision and strategies that might be out there. Next slide, please.
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So this is a just a typical residential daily load profile. And as you can see is that you know, here you are at home. And this is what happens, you’re getting up at seven in the morning. Now, this is probably a pre COVID load survey, but you know, you would get up at home, you would start to use a little more energy, you would head off to work, maybe some things at home, and then, you know, folks are starting to come home. And as they’re doing that they’re doing different things, you know, within their home, as well as maybe their heating system is warming up for them to be there and a variety of things. But what you’ll see is that that energy usage from more or less, the lower average to the top is about twice. And so that is a challenge, especially when you talk about renewable energy resources that have a certain amount of variability on them. As you can imagine, if this profile is during the middle of summer, you’re still getting a little bit of solar kicking in locally. And wind may or may not be kicking in and during the the let’s call it the brightest part of the days, the demand is actually a little bit down. And so that’s why we really need to look at many tools. Next slide. So some people call it the duck curve. And so I you know, I found this fine mallet to help us explain the duck curve. But I don’t think that’s what was generally meant by the duck curve. Next slide.
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So there’s sort of my clumsy Ducker. But if you imagine that blue line coming up over the back of the dock that’s starting to drop down and back over the head at about again, six, seven o’clock at night. There you have a duck curve. And so that is just one of the things that we’re working with in our challenges. Next slide, please.
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So this looks at it on an annual basis. We’ve got multiple years here. And this is just looking at the city of Longmont. You know what happens in the city of Longmont. So we saw what happens on a daily basis for a home. Now what happens on a weekly basis and throughout the year, as you’ll could see is that we are a summer peaking utility. So again, come summer, we need about twice the amount of resources available to consistently and reliably meet all our energy needs. And likewise, as we move into those tapering months of the fall in the winter, the amount of resources is much less. And so you can imagine that one of your challenges is how do you get that many resources performing at that moment in time yet, don’t be out there buying more than you need, and that you can’t use or likewise becomes idle during the rest of the year. So next slide, please.
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So Oh, there you go. Thank you, Heather.
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When I look to the future, I’ve tried to characterize it into maybe three stages that we may go through.
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You know, you’ve certainly heard about peak shaving. And so that’s really looking at that peak, what can we do to shave that peak? Now, we’ll go on to some of the tools, but what can we do to shave that peak, so the amount of resources we need available, or the amount of existing loads that we can share during those periods of time, allow us to flatten that peak. And this just shows it on an annual basis. But think of the same thing with your duck curve, how do we flatten that peak out at you know, in the evening, then the next thing is, what I see is stage twos load shaping doesn’t, it’s are there things that we can do to move the load to other periods of time, or in this case, other quarters of the year. So again, you’re trying to provide the same amount of energy, but you’re doing it a different way. I think the graph, if you think back to the graph of the residential home, that’s probably more representative. Because you can imagine if you come home, and you normally turn on your electric oven, and your stove and you run the dishwasher, and you start that load of laundry in you plugged in your electric vehicle, those are all happening at once. And your water heater is your electric water heater is kicking on to with all the things you’ve got going done. So if you can start to spread some of those things out were some of the items such as your electric vehicle charges later, perhaps the dishwashers running a different time, perhaps you’ve got the you know, maybe your dryer set on a different cycle, perhaps you’ve pre heated your water prior to this period of time. So those are some of the possibilities. Next slide.
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And when I look to the future, when we’re talking, talking about that 2030 timeframe, I really see it as a third stage where we have to synchronize load and generation. So the so when we’ve got a lot of generation going on, we’re in the middle of the day, maybe our load is low, but we’ve got tremendous amount of wind coming on. There’s, you know, bright solar going on, we’ve got probably hydroelectric in the summer, we’ve got all those things generating energy, what can we do with it? Where can we how’s that until later in the day, a different time of day that we needed. And so that’s and likewise on load.
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We talked about, you know, can we reduce or shift load, so that it becomes more one with the generation and next slide.
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And so in synchronizing load to generation, there’s going to be a lot of tools out there. We’re talking about the distributed energy resources, the hands, the Home Energy Management Systems, electrification, renewable energy, electric vehicles, conservation efficiency, it’s just there’s a lot of things that come together, it’s not just one tool, it’s all of these tools, working together to synchronize our generation with our next slide.
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So in creating our future, where those innovative tools and choices and this I have to say, this is one of my favorite little pictures of the road, outside of Moab, it’s just it’s the most windy darn thing. And it is a it gets you grabbing the edge of your chair as you’re going up or down. So anyway, next slide.
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So this is something we’ve certainly used in our discussions with counsel, when we’re focusing on different elements.
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We’ve stated as an integrated electric resource system, so it’s really a combination of things that really get us to our 100% renewable energy goals starting on the left in a clockwise fashion. There’s going to be policies and rates, you know, rate structures that help to encourage policies that are part of it. Innovation and emerging technology is another aspect of it. You know, there are things today that are in in laboratories that will that will be coming out and become mainstream. And so how can we actively move from those types of test situations to bringing really value on the system, renewable energy from Platte River? We talked about distributed energy resources. I’ll go into that a little further. beneficial electrification, I want to pause there for a moment. That is
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that also is a is a significant part of how we reduce our carbon footprint, because we’re really converting from those fossil fuels to that, but bear in mind, everything that you start to electrify that is not electrified today is additional electrical energy, renewable energy that
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These to be systems provided for. And so that can create a challenge. And it can create an opportunity for us. the built environment, commercial benchmarking, we’re talking about briefly. And then intelligent grids. Next slide.
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So enabling technology, this is certainly not intended to show everything and anything out there. But it’s really about your meter. It’s about our distribution system sensing and controlling demand and, and distributed energy resource management, customer tools. So how can each of us become involved and start to manage the main if anybody you have, like an eco be like I do, I’ve got that thing at my fingertips. And you know, certainly with a home energy management system, you have lots of tools out there, the distribution sensing, control will become very important as we electrify because we’re putting more load on existing wires and transformers. And we have to be able to manage that and understand that to ensure that those systems do not become overloaded. And either fail and or need to be replaced with larger systems, when maybe there’s other ways to manage them and utilize them. Next slide.
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So one of the items is also building benchmarking. And we’re actually in a phase two on this, we benchmark little over 20 buildings of town, mostly city facilities, and then a few other
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larger commercial buildings. And it really gives a great for the building score and lets you know where your buildings at how is it performing? Once you know that, you also then have the ability to try and figure out how you can perform it have that performed better, better performance likely means less energy use and provide more comfort for the users. So it’s a it’s a reduce energy over time. It’s data. And you can see it’s almost sort of like when you’re shopping for the car. You know, how efficient is your building? Or how efficient is your car? It’s a really strong basis for
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understanding and change and for potential policies to encourage that further. Next slide.
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beneficial building electrification, again, what can we do with our building inventory, to reduce carbon and to reduce the, and really keep it affordable for our communities. And so this is something that we’re really looking at. And I’ll go into electric feasibility a little bit later. But these are actions that we’re taking Next slide.
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grid, interactive, efficient buildings.
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There’s a lot there on the screen, we’re talking about efficient, they’re connected. They’re smart, and they’re flexible. So you know, efficient, we talked about how much energy you’re using. Flexible at the far right, we talked a bit about
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how and when do they use energy, and are there other items, such as a battery or such as solar, that can help offset that smart that we have the tools and connected so we’re able to really not only understand what’s going on, but being able to manage those, either as individuals or also as utilities. Next slide, please. So one of the pilot projects we have is Habitat for Humanity. We’re working with them on 1010 buildings that they have with. So we’re working with Habitat we’re working with, also the owners of those buildings. And it’s sort of to test some of these home energy management systems to test the communication to test and experiment with shifting loads a little bit. So you certainly see the you know, heating air conditioning units, they’re basically sensors and controls. The third picture, that’s a patio, so they’re going to be installing at two homes. So it’s a, it’s a walkable solar patio. So I’m not familiar with that. But I am so excited to see that see what that’s all about. And then the last on the right is the electric water heater. A lot of work has been going into electric water heaters and really
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how not only the data that comes out of there, but also how you can stage them in different ways to reduce energy consumption during times of peak and yet still meet each of our customer needs. Next slide.
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As we go to the future, we expect to see quite a bit of change here Colorado electric vehicle plan in the year 2020. A very ambitious plan with the state of Colorado what that means
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For all electric utilities is more electric road. And that means that we will have to not only account for what Currently our customers use, therefore, for this new type of, let’s say, customer class, and how to provide that energy either at home or at businesses, or in other public spaces. Next slide. And that goal is with the light duty V’s is really
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is getting to a million by the year 2030. So you can imagine that is a lot of vehicles out there, and a great deal of carbon savings and an increased electric load. Next slide.
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And so the city of Longmont has five charging stations. And so that’s at the memorial building. And, you know, we also the DSC so that is our development services center, just off a sort of between main and kimbark, at about fourth, the library down at the museum, and then over at the service center, and 1100, South Sherman. And if you google
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charging stations in the area, you’re actually going to find about 70 charging stations within 10 miles of Longmont, so many of them are in Longmont or the surrounding areas. So you can see that in a short period of time. This is really growing. And it’s, you know, in anticipation of and in support of moving forward with more IE V’s. Next slide, please. Another action that’s being taken right now is electrification feasibility committee. This has gone before council Council has advised staff to proceed. We are currently in the process of
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a request for proposal for a consultant to assist in the facilitation and working with staff hand in hand in leading this process. And it’s really it’ll be about a year process is looking at community priorities, looking at policies,
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criteria for strategies, and community perspective. And so a lot of things are going on there. But we’re trying to get ahead of the electrification, rather than just be responsive. And by being ahead, we feel that we can be more in tune with the policies and practices and meet the needs of this community and most consistent and efficient and affordable way. Next slide, please.
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we’ve talked about
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several different things. And it’s really sort of a complex formula, you know, how do you take energy that’s being generated by different types of sources, each, which has their so to speak their own personality, what they do, how they do it, how variable they are, you know, means of how we might store energy, and then discharge that energy when the system needs increasing electric loads, which also might be opportunities for energy storage, at home solar at home batteries, batteries for neighborhoods or at our substations. There’s a variety of things out there, we talked about Home Energy Management Systems, building efficiency and conservation. Think my point trying to be is there’s no singular solution. And our role, not just as utility, but as a community is working together to have all those elements to really work to ensure that reliable and affordable energy here and that we absolutely made our environmental goals. Next slide.
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And frankly, what we create today is going to evolve. We’ve already seen that, you know,
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technologies are continuing to be developed, we’re working hard in different spaces. We have several pilot programs here at the city of Longmont, where we’re trying to, as a utility, learn how these things can work so that we can integrate them more into our system. And so today’s solution is not going to be necessarily tomorrow solution, but it’s likely to be strong part of it. And really what we’re doing here at Longmont power communication is each and every day, we are truly working on and creating the utility of the future. Next slide.
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And so here with long run power communication, we really are Power for Life. We have been providing power to this community for over a century. And continue to do that. And so we’ve had many generations of long monsters here, enjoying the power from long run power communications. And I thank you for your time and that concludes my update and overview
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Chair before we begin on the next part, just wanted to note that Councilmember Christiansen joined us about 20 minutes ago or so.
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thanks for those presentations and
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word. Do you have questions? Yes, Adam?
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And then Kay. Yeah, thanks a lot for the presentations. I have a question for Trista. And I’ll first start by you guys are doing really great work moving toward the renewables. I think that’s really ambitious. And I’m really impressed how you’re moving away from coal. Regarding the rice plant that you want to build in 2030. I’m wondering if there’s a way instead of building other plant, you could procure that electricity from, say other markets? Oh, and again, I’d like to, first off, thank you for the management, regarding our move towards with adding more renewables onto the system. We’re very excited about that. But in answer to your question, again, the rice unit is not contemplated within the first five years. So that’s our action plan. When we’re making investments, it’s outside of that period. And it was slotted in because remember, early in the presentation, I said that an AI RP is basically a predictive model based on current technology that’s commercially available. That right now it with the model just basically spits out what’s most economical, taking all factors into multiple factors into consideration. And that is what spit out for that those out years.
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Full well, knowing that we’re going to have those other two iorp is in 2024, and 2028. Those inputs will be changing. So what’s more economical on those out years more than likely will be changing as well. So the model again, take take all of the considerations, all the inputs into consideration, rather, and spit out the most economical, so at the time the model was run, that was the most economical, and that’s why we ended up with that option.
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Right, that helps clarify that, I guess I had one more question briefly. The renewables aren’t just getting added all at 2030, there’s gonna be a gradual build up, and what’s roughly the timescale for that. And that’s, again, I hate to point back to those 2024 and 2028, IR peas, but those are going to provide us more information. And the further out we forecast, the less reliable, the less predictable things are. That’s why we have the five year action plan. And we kind of have an idea beyond that. But the renewables will be
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more renewables will be slated throughout those other two IR PS. Plus, also, if we’re able to look at the market and see what’s most economical. And I mentioned in my presentation, you might not have caught it because it was a brief mention that between 2016 and our 2020 iorp, we had three renewable projects that we brought online, we did not have those plans in 2016. They were not part of our action plan. But you know what, they were economical and made sense. Our communities wanted us to do it. So we did it. So um, the irlp is a great roadmap, but it doesn’t lay things out specifically your write your day by day, what exactly we can do. And I know that doesn’t bring a lot of comfort to people because you want to have a plan. I get that. But we take a lot of things into consideration when adding those resources. So
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they have to then, as part of the 2020 IRB, they need to come on by 2030 when they come on, that’s going to that’s going to change that’s going to depend on our needs. That kind of answer your question, Adam. Yeah, that’s really helpful. Thank you. Okay. like to add just one thing to that is Adam, you know, sort of your first part of your question is, you know, can we get energy, you know, where can we get energy? How does that look like? Back in the slide that was sort of showing actions coming up. One of the ones that is really nondescript, but is very important, was Wiem, Western energy imbalance market and river as well as others are pushing to create this imbalance market and the intent is is that energy can be shared across a larger geographic area. So you can imagine if the wind is blowing here in town, it may be somewhere away in Wyoming are a little further east are out to you know, the south of us. And you know, same thing with solar. You figure even with just the course of time or cloudy
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here but not cloudy up at Platte rivers rawhide site. So the more flexibility we can build in with also other generation transmission organizations, the better we all can help solve this issue of getting to 100%. Renewable.
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Thank you for including that, that discussion now, and I didn’t do it as eloquently as you could, but I appreciate that.
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Okay, we got Kay, and then Charles.
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Um, so I just, I feel like I’m the board pessimist here.
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It’s probably a little true. Um, but I, you know, I was gonna say, I have two questions. And, and luckily for everyone, I have to go early today. So I’m, number one, I always have the burning question, when we’re talking about things like electric vehicles. And when we’re talking about, you know, electric water heaters versus gas water heaters. And
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you know, and I was gonna say this, this, this comes from the fact that I do believe that, yes, natural gas is a pretty clean burning fuel. I’ll just come clean and admit that. But and and I’ll also say, I highly preferred to coal,
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just for the emissions factor alone. But my question is, is when I’m looking at the pie chart on the Platte River, the PRP a website here, which also came up in a presentation a couple weeks ago,
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I want to know if I want to know, I guess what is
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what is the benefit on going to something going to more I want to say electrical utility and electrical home product of electrical use, when we still have 40% being produced by coal. And that is a that’s my question is I’m going I need, I want to see the pie chart change. And this moves the second part of the question being, I’d like to see what this pie chart looked like in 2005, when the GHG emissions came out, and I like to compare it to now to guys, because, you know, it would show us that yes, you are indeed gaining substantially. I mean, the pie chart looks great. We got 30%, you know, when we got 20% hydro power, you know, we only have a little tiny slice of solar still in this beautiful state with 300 days a year. And they’re working on it. And there’s a teeny, teeny sliver here of natural gas compared to 40% coal. And again, I want to see, what did this look like in 2005 till now, and I know you, you’re saying that, you know, these IR peas, they’re going to change, they need to be a flexible plan. No one is going to be disappointed if you make a projection. Everybody here on this board and everybody working with PRP, a with the city along line, I think we all understand the fact that that paths change trajectories as you go, and that economics and availability. And, you know, demand is going to alter the course of where you’re going. But I also want to say, as the board pessimists, I would like to see where you project those pie stars to look like over the next 10 years. Where I’m not saying that by your presentation, you can hang on to 40% coal until 2029. Um, I also had the question too on the rice units are the ratios. Are those natural gas units natural gas concentrated in natural gas right now? Yes. Okay, because we have we have rawhide A through E. And again, I’ve got a tiny sliver of natural gas running to a 40% of coal, last part of this question. And
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I’d like to also see that pie chart and how it looks during summer and winter, where you have peak demands versus non peak demands, and different resources are available versus not. I’m looking at a pie chart again, this says projected deliveries of 2021. And it’s like an overall sum of of the year going well, does that mean? Are we doing better in summer? Are we doing better in winter? Are there things in that? That by seeing this diagram over the course of the seasons, maybe even over the course of the day? Is it going to show you where you can start maximizing in one area versus another? and and and and that’s my I want to say that’s the overall global view I have for you. That’s a lot to unpack. I hope I can address some of your concerns your questions quickly. Um, I don’t have our over 100 page iorp document committed to memory but I’m fairly certain we do have some productions in there that would address
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Some of your concerns and questions about the energy mix moving to 2030. And what that what that could look like, you know what that’s projected as part of our 2020 plan? I’ll need to find that. And I’m happy to follow up and provide that information. Like I said, I’m fairly certain that it’s, it may not be a pie chart, but there’s something there that’s going to give you some information that’s, you’ll find out. Okay. And I’m fine. And I, unfortunately, I do have to cut out. I’m like, I’m totally fine. I would love to see it, if you can send it to us for review. For next session. I do want to bounce back to the first question I had, though, because I never have had the answer on this was was, you know, is there less emissions? What what what what were what happens when we have coal being the source for the electrical for the for the electrical cars and stuff? And that’s that’s just the question. I don’t think Jess, Lisa’s got an answer for me.
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I have a bit of an answer for you. So we we actually chatted with with our consultants to do our greenhouse gas inventory about this a little while back about essentially trying to get at what is the threshold for the emission factor, which is what’s calculated for greenhouse gas emissions, that makes the transition to electric appliances Make sense? And the number that we got back from her
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is about 1400
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metric tons of co2 equivalent, and our current emission factor for 2020 is below that. So we are at a point, if that makes sense. That even though Yes, we are still using some significant amount of fossil fuels, that transition to electric plant the benefit, the greenhouse gas benefit of transitioning to electric appliances, outweighs the greenhouse gas costs of the fossil fuel mix that we have currently. Does that make sense? And does that answer your question? It almost answers my question. But then I want to ask where you’re drawing the bubble, if it’s just over the city of Longmont, or if it’s over the entire Front Range, which would include the point of generation
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of both. So those numbers are different. But both of those numbers are below that 1400 metric ton co2 equivalent number.
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To jump off, but I did also want to share with you remember that I mentioned the clean energy plan that we’ll be submitting to the state apcd later this year,
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we have to demonstrate and at least an 80% reduction over 2005 levels. And so within that plan won’t be the pie chart, but it will be the numbers, you’ll see that 2005 level and numbers as well as the 2013 numbers. So I’m sure I can probably get you something before then. But I just I wanted you to know that there. There’s also a source document for that as well coming. That what’s the timeline for that, again, the clean energy plan will be submitted. And we have to go run through the board process of approving, reviewing and all that good stuff. So we have to submit
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sometime this fall. Thank you. Sure. If I could just jump in for one second to k, I love your question and how you’re thinking there. I mean, you know, I think back to that last thing I said about it’s gonna be complex and so forth. I could just as you’re talking, I could just see you sitting in a, in a chair in a room, the dispatch room, and you got this load going on over here. All the demands on the screen, you have, you know, these 15 to 20 different types of resources that you’re seeing going up and down and up and down, up, down. You’re trying to figure out how to balance all those, you know, that type of variability with what you have. And so that is going to be the big question. Obviously, a lot of algorithms to you know, solve those things. But also, just to your point about you know, right now, Platte River is a little tiny sliver of solar and flat rivers actually, as Chris had said, is working on 150 megawatt facility as we speak, I’m under contract for trying to get through the permitting process, which sometimes can be interesting. And to give you a an idea is the city of Walmart peak during that summer was about 180 megawatts. So that is up and running, and full sun and for producing at least that moment in time. If you’re the dispatcher, life would be pretty good because you had 150 megawatts from one source to to go to the city of Longmont within the cloud went over here going Ah, what do I do now. And so that’s where you’ll have other resources. So more solar to come shortly. But it does, tends to take a few years to get something of that utility scale for.
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And one last tidbit of information. We are working on a real time generation page for our website.
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Hopefully will be up fairly soon, you’ll be able to see, um, yeah, real time generation, it should it lags about five minutes, I believe five, to 15 to 15, give or take. So hopefully you see that rather soon as well get me the little slide dial for the time. So I can watch a change, back and forth.
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There should be an app with that, that you can play at home to see how you can balance those things.
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Great. Thank you. And just,
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I’m willing to entertain a motion to to officially change case title to board. If anyone wants to put that off there.
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Great questions. Kay. I Charles is next. And Jim, your I see your hand.
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Thank you for coming and presenting today. I really appreciate it. And this is really helpful to us to understand what prps role is and what the plans are. So definitely appreciate this. I had a few comments and some questions kind of mixed in. Hopefully I can keep the questions organized enough that
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you can understand what I’m asking. So So a couple things. One is, it sounds like you have a commitment to
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stop using coal into 2030, which is good. Yeah, I did. I didn’t quite hear the plan for what will happen with rawhide A through F, which are gas fired. So that’s, that’s one question. Okay. Can I answer that or say? Sure? Sure. I get if I if I get to continue asking more questions. Yes, of course. rawhide, A through F would stay online, those are our peaking units, they are used, as Katie mentioned, not very much. I don’t have the exact percentage, but a few percentages, possibly a year. But they are again, those peaking units. So when we do reach those very, very hot summer days, or very, very cold winter days, we’re able to fire those up and use them as needed. I see if if battery costs drop fast enough that they could be used, you know, grid storage as in place of peakers? Is PRP a willing to take those offline? before they’re expected lifetimes?
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I can’t answer for the board and the board decision. But I can tell you that if an IR RP shows that it’s the most economical way to dispatch our energy, yes. And that would be included as part of the iR iR p portfolios that would be discussed. Definitely. Okay. Okay.
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And then what? So So one thing that’s kind of interesting, if you look at the UK, use of coal, over the last several years, they’ve had a drop from about 60% of their power being generated by coal to 10%. It’s actually dropped below 10%. Now, and that happened over a period of less than five years. So it’s amazing actually how fast that’s happened. It seems like there are opportunities for us to do things that the UK can do it. And I’m not I don’t have great faith in the UK generally. But if the UK can do something, it seems like we could, I wonder if we are willing to maybe move our our commitments up faster than 2030. If technology allows.
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Again, I would point back to the IRB when the IRB, when portfolios are presented, they are presenting the most economical way to dispatch energy. And if that’s proven up, then that would definitely be a consideration. As Dave mentioned, the the silver project that we’re working on right now, the the we’ve been working on it for a long time to permit it. So that you know, the process of planning, approving and then permitting and building projects. You know that that does take some time, and I don’t know how our comparison over here to the UK and building projects and getting things online. You know what that comparison is, but I do know that that is something that that we have to take into consideration because it does take us quite a bit of time to bring projects online. got it got it. Well, the British invented bureaucracy, so I’m mad. Yeah.
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So So then, and just a couple other quick things maybe
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so you could you could imagine,
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you know, we have to do for
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rooftop solar, for example. There’s quite a few advantages to it. It doesn’t necessarily add to the cost of distribution, since it’s generating power generated locally.
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And the cost of PV is going down quite a bit. What is what would PRP AC as its role if rooftop generated both commercial and home power generation were to increase because of cost reductions in PV and our normal exponential technology adoption.
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curves, if private power generation became, say, 75 80% of the mix, what would be PR coming? I know you could end up with stranded assets and things like that is trpa kind of planning for scenarios where there could be, you know, it took about 10 years for horse drawn carriages to go away and for car cars to replace them. There’s many other examples of technologies that got replaced very quickly. Is there? Is there plans for what could happen if we go through a similar technology adoption curve like that with PV and battery storage, etc?
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I honestly don’t know the answer to that question, in terms of is that something that we’re currently looking at today, that order of magnitude and bringing on that much and solar, rooftop solar, I would imagine there that that would be something as Dave is involved with the DEA or strategy committee, I was good to hand that off to you, Dave. And that that would be something that would be taken up by that committee as a consideration in their their policy adoption and future programs and projects. Dave?
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Sorry, I just quickly just interject real quick before Dave goes in there, as you could imagine, that PR pa could take on a very different role in the future, that where their roles, you know, the source of power power generation was smaller and or maybe more in terms of, you know, management. And definitely, I believe that’s why we saw the need for a great need to work with our communities. I’m informing the see our strategy committee and working together with them.
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So yes, definitely. I would, I would say that we have acknowledged that Do we have any answer or have we really put together a plan yet? Probably not. We’re, we’ll get there.
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And then one last thing, when I’ve looked at the AARP, and kind of went through it, there were some some things seemed
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I don’t know where the numbers come from, for the forecasts, and of course, models that are based on forecast numbers. It’s hard to predict the future. And it’s and models don’t work very well, for predicting the future when they’re, they’re fed. Forecasts aren’t aren’t great.
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You know, depending on who you talk to the Evie adoption rates are about to explode. And as batteries get cheaper, and manufacturing gets cheaper, etc.
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There, and that could kind of be a two edged sword for us. I’m not sure if if there’s any vehicle to grid, bi directional charging and dispatch of energy, or if that’s in the plans, or if there’s anything, and the that’s one piece. And the other part is that, of course, there’s when transportation gets electrified, that could add a significant amount to the, to the, to the load or the demand. Right. And again, we acknowledge that when we started this plans in 2018.
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It was and then I mean, and then COVID hit, you know, and that kind of slowed us down a little bit. Um, but the the plain process, you know, was long and some of those protections, yeah, we’ve acknowledged some of those inputs, probably not quite as accurate when we finished versus when we started. So that is why and we are we acknowledge that technology is advancing way faster, then then, you know, it has historically in this sector. So that’s why we moved our iorp up instead of doing every five years, you know, we’re doing to between now and and well, 2028. So to help capture some of that, and work at plans, oh, yeah. And I wasn’t meaning to blame. Oh, no, no, I just want to let everybody know, that’s why,
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if this is you, I work with the Department of Energy quite a bit, and mostly on the responding to photos and, and doing research for them. But one of the challenges then, and this is these are numbers that come from the Department of Energy, the Energy Information Administration. And I remember, you know, 10 years ago, they had these plans, you know, for dollar kilowatt hour PV, for example. And we’re sitting now at about, you know, four cents a kilowatt hour. And
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there was lots of these kinds of forecasts that we’ve dropped significantly faster than what was projected. So anyway, just that there, there could be some dramatic transitioning going on, and I’m glad PRP is thinking about it. So thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks, Charles.
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Again, Jim, next, and then Polly and I, just keeping an eye on the time want to wrap it up pretty quickly after that move on in the agenda.
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So Jeff, it’s the floor is yours. Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate the presentations. I
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To kind of unrelated questions. Well, they’re I think they’re related to what you’re talking about. But the first is, so the big the big bump in usage in the summer, that’s that’s all cooling, right? That’s all people trying to cool buildings and houses. Is that correct? I assume, Sarah by Mila Davey answer that says it’s more of a distribution utility question.
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I think Dave’s muted.
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Sorry, I kept having things pop up on my screen right over the mute button. Every time I tried to hit it, something else tried to happen.
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Yeah, you’re seeing
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you definitely are seeing a lot of the cooling element that’s coming in is certainly not exclusive. I, you know, I think we, we naturally see a little bit more, let’s call it human activity, where we enter into the, you know, the summer months, you know, with, you know, between what we’re doing at home, and shopping, and so on and so forth. But without a doubt, cooling has added to it, we do have a fair amount or growing sort of manufacturing here in town, like with sponsors, for example. And that sort of helps to flatten out a little bit, you know, because they run, you know, 24, seven, and that helps to, you know, we talked about that to x peak. So if you get a couple smuckers, maybe your 2x peak is not as high because they just increase that base that always stays there.
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I’ve always been curious about, you know, when you talk about shaving that peak,
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in my house, we’d have an evaporative cooler, and I don’t really notice a difference in my summer winter electricity, bills, right. It’s, it’s, they’re hyper efficient. And of course, there’s other very efficient ways to cool and heat houses like heat pumps and things like that. And I’ve always been curious from a cost benefit analysis, how much of that peak we could shave
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with programs that that made those types of cooling technologies a lot more prevalent and preferred, not just in new houses, but also in people who have retrofit houses?
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You know, it just seems to me that it’s a, it’s a low hanging fruit. I don’t know if you guys don’t have to answer that. But I’d be curious to know, like, if if we said, okay, well, we’re going to, we’re going to reduce air conditioning use in residential homes by X percent. How much would we actually shave that that curve down? And could that actually help us?
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The other thing that I had that that I don’t? I don’t know the answer to this at all. But I think a lot about the materials that are going to be required for our transition into renewal in a carbon neutral future, the copper and the lithium and all the rares elements and things like this. And I spent a little bit of time in mines,
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heavy metal mines, and things like this. And I’m curious if the cost estimates, I mean, as more communities decide that they want wind generation, then well, everyone mill needs two tons of neodymium, so we have to buy more neodymium.
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And there are not many places that produce neodymium. And I’m curious as more people want these things, and as our domestic supplies
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for rare earth elements haven’t haven’t really even been there for decades, right? Since the 50s. or so. And we’ve, we’ve opened up one rare earth element mine in California now. There’s a couple potentials in Colorado. I’m wondering if the cost projections, though, are also dealing with potential resource scarcity from those things like neodymium, especially and lithium, you know, there’s almost all of our lithium comes from one lake in South America right now.
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I’m wondering if the cost projections that we have for the future are are thinking about the market forces that all of these necessary ingredients are going to start undergoing?
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Well, let’s just answer that one. I was gonna say, I’m Jim, I’m afraid I don’t have a really good answer for you right now. I’m trying to take a quick peek at our website to see because I know we have a number of studies that were performed as part of our irlp. And I’m not sure that we address that your specific concern, I know that we do have a lifecycle assessment of our planned assets. But I don’t know if that really gets to your question. So I’m, I’m sorry, I don’t have a really good answer for you. I mean, I’d be very curious. There’s a lot of there’s a lot of talk in the geoscience community about trying to reopen some of the rare earth element mining activities in the United States. But of course, mining is not popular and getting access to those materials is not popular and the regulatory infrastructure for trying to open a rare earth element mine is going to make like a solar panel project look like, you know, just kid stuff. And I’m really curious, like we all we all want to do this. We all need to
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Do this, you know, it’s clear that that we have to decarbonize, but I’m very concerned that we haven’t, we haven’t really thought out the, the, the ingredients side of the equation, especially when more and more more and more people and more and more communities want to do more and more of these, these renewable energy sources and I, I’m fully in support of them. I just to me, that’s a missing part of all the future projections that I’ve ever heard is the reality of, of kind of the material supply side, the geoscience side of it. And I apologize for not having a bit apologize for not having a better answer for you, Jim. But I’m ticked down, I really like the statement that you made about having the ingredients side of it kind of figured out. So I’m going to take that back to my team and see,
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to see what if, if any consideration has been given to those ingredients thus far.
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Hey, Lisa, did you want to jump in on that question?
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Sorry, I was left hand unmuting and not coordinated. And that I just wanted to make a quick comment. First of all, I really appreciate that point, Jim, because I think it is really a really critical part of the conversation and calls into question, bigger issues around consumption patterns, and things like that, in general, and some assumptions that we make about our continued ability to consume at the same levels that we have been by just switching our energy sources. And that’s a bigger conversation for another day. But I want to make a plug in that for energy efficiency, not that there aren’t materials associated with that, as well. And, and I will say, I haven’t necessarily
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seen the lifecycle cost breakdown of the ingredients side of efficiency, but I, my assumption would be that it would still be less impact. And I think, you know, it’s one that we tend to over overlook and looking at these new technologies and innovations in this transition, but that it’s really a critically important part of the equation and to reduce our overall energy need, as we’re looking at this transition, as well. So I just wanted to put a plug in for that. And it also has a number of other benefits that come along with it in terms of, you know, health and safety and comfort for households. I completely agree. And I think that’s one of the reasons I brought up the idea of how much could we shave off the curve with things like evaporative coolers, which are a pound of copper and an aluminum box? And
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I, I totally agree.
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So Mary, I it looked like you wanted to jump in on Jim’s question is that?
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Actually, I’m, I’m, I have a question formulating in my head that relates to what Jim has said, and something. Mr. harbach brought up and Lisa brought up. And my question is, um, as we’re moving into the future, where we need to use every one of our use resources, so efficiently in order to reach anything close to 100% renewables, it seems to me that the the planning and analysis of our system and the organization of every possible resource is most important. And that’s what the the models that are used in the UK, Germany across Europe, and South and Australia are using the virtualization models. And it’s very difficult to start thinking about that because we are in a system which has nouns it has things it has individual DVRs and virtualization requires that we are able to think of things as as activities and as and when these activities happen and how they interact. And
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I want to know what the commitment is to analyzing some of these models like the Kraftwerk model for virtual power plants that already exist. They’re designed to be you know, I mean, obviously, they have to be, to some degree on customized an enterprise, but they are, they have solved a lot of the problems that that an area like ours
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is facing. And
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as Charles has noted, prices are plummeting. People really want to be energy independent. They’re they’re buying cars, they’re buying solar panels that are that have DVRs and I want to know about this next level of integration and where we’re at with that.
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The virtualization question.
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So go ahead, Dave.
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A moment. So you’re right. Yes. So very, we
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we certainly look at a, you know, awful lot of things we’ve talked about covered a lot of ground today. And I think we do not limit we always look to different types of best practices, and are they or are they not applicable? It’s very, I, we all have different examples of somewhere where somebody is doing it better. And I think it’s incumbent to take a look as to see what they’re doing. Is that applicable here? Is it really better? You know, because we’ll always look at also, you know, how does that work? Is it reliable, you know, with it, you know, what does that cost look like? Can you actually permit or do something like that, you know, in the States. But yeah, we are certainly not blind to what’s going around going on around us. And
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so, you know, whether it’s, you know, something in the UK or something at another utility United States, we have a lot of different leaders out there, and they lead in different spaces. And so try to figure out what’s similar what’s different to our space, and how we can adapt it.
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Thank you, Polly. Sorry, I didn’t mean to jump over you there.
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Mary had her hand up anyway, first.
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this is a good discussion, I think that there are a lot of good questions and a lot of good points, when Charles brought up the the quick
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changeover from coal to in England, from coal to not coal. And when we’re talking about that, in,
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you know, our former president was going to bring back coal, which is ridiculous, but um, because it’s all been robotized. Anyway, so it wasn’t like the jobs were going to come back. But the problem with with some of this is that when those coal
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jobs have disappeared, it’s good to have cold disappear, it’s a miserable job, maybe none of us would like to do that. But to the people who live there, that was their job, that was something they could count on, that was something their family had done. And we’ve taken everything away from them and offered them nothing in return. So there are tremendous social repercussions, a lot of Brexit was partly because England has been devastated in the countryside by taking away coal, we have to also add back training to people so that they have
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some alternative so that they’re trained in how to be involved in the green energy economy says that they’re trained to do to build turbines to maintain turbines to design and plan,
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or solar, I mean, we’re not counting on the repercussions of that. And also, I worry, as James said, about the repercussions of us being creating an energy system, where some of the most critical parts of it, were reliant on another country to provide for us. And that historically has never been a very good idea, because then we can be blackmailed. And, I mean, that’s kind of going on all over the world right now with oil,
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and natural gas and a few other things. So
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there are a lot of things that we need to
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consider before everything gets so far ahead of us, although this is
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a lot of these changes, as Charles said, they’re happening very, very quickly. But then, the repercussions in terms of socially and economically, we have huge problems than when things get so fast, and we haven’t really thought it through. So
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I think this is really an interesting discussion of in many ways about thinking about all the other extra stuff. We all want to see everything be nice and clean. But
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is it really as clean as we think and do we have backups? And are we taking care of the social repercussions of economic repercussions on people who are already poor and we’re making them poorer?
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Can I jump in on that one? Aye. Aye.
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That is an excellent point and something that as a member of the solar industry, I can say that the our industry is taking very seriously. In fact, two weeks ago, I know that there was
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a conversation with the, the one of the main industry associations and some of the administration in,
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in Washington DC, about that very topic. And this is something that, at least some of us in the industry are, are very aware of, and, and really taking seriously. And I’m not trying to say we have a silver bullet, and we’re Don’t worry, but I don’t want to give that impression at all. But but this is something that it’s a very important topic. And at least from the solar side, it’s being discussed. Well, in the there’s a huge influx right now,
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potentially, for investment in infrastructure, and in job training, and solar and wind, and all of these energy, things are perfect. This is the time we can move forward and really have it be fair. And
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I’m optimistic even though I’m actually much more like a, I’m a pessimist too. But, you know, this is a really interesting time that we have potential to really move a lot of these things forward when we have not had that opportunity for quite some time.
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We need to move on.
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I also am seeing a bunch of hands. And if anybody has a really quick point that they want to squeeze in here, Jim,
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I will actually just be really quick. I actually think and, you know, in my career as a geologist, mining or mining, geology was dead when I was in graduate school, and now it’s booming, particularly because of this. But there’s actually an enormous opportunity for people from the coal industry, who know how to mine, we’re going to actually need them. And so there’s also a lot of opportunity, I think, to rethink how, what, what environmental disasters we’re willing to try to manage.
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And which ones we actually need to get away from. And mining is a lot easier to manage than global warming. So I’ll just shut up, though. Interesting point there, Jim. Thanks for bringing that up.
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Adam, you had your you said it was quick, or you indicated with your hand. Yes, I can make it really quick. It’s just a follow up with Councilmember Christensen’s point about some sources are not as clean as we think. And regarding the natural gas or that sorry, the estimates for the co2 emissions that just you talked about, for natural gas, do you also take into the emissions from the extraction process, like venting and flaring and future emissions?
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As part of the greenhouse gas inventory, or Yeah, that’s right.
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No, but and we follow a prescription. Or it’s a prescribed method of calculating that based upon what the what the state has laid out, and that is not included in it now.
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Thanks for. And if you’re if you are interested, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, Kate, I know you’re running is fine. But if you are interested in seeing a clean, the clean energy plan, guidance document, and associated workbook is a verification workbook where you plug in all the all of your numbers to see if you magically, you know, hit that 80%. And that information has been posted on cdph. website on their climate action page, I believe. So I can find the if I can find the link. I’ll drop it in the water. And if I can drop it in the chat. I’ll send it to you guys. Sorry. Thank you. I’m sorry. I’m sorry, keep but that also isn’t done for renewable technologies, we almost never factor in the energy emissions that are associated with those extractive industries, either.
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Good point, Lisa. Yes, very quick. I just want to let folks know. And, as Kate mentioned, this is the environmental justice and climate justice issues are very much a focus of both the national federal administration right now, as well as the Colorado State Administration and has been for a couple of years, there is now a seat, just transition office and there’s some legislation that’s been coming down specifically focused on these issues. And that’s one of the part of the policy statement of CC for ca that we’re a member of as well to support those transition communities and workers. So there’s a lot happening on that level, and I’d be happy to share any information with folks on that.
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That is a very cute baby.
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Okay, thanks, everyone, for that great discussion. We will, I will move us along in the agenda
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to thank you for your time.
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Thanks. Yeah, thanks for being here. Those are great presentations and really appreciate your
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taking time to answer all of our questions. Thank you for the invitation. Thank you.
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I see nothing other under other business on the agenda and less anyone wants to jump in with something.
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The next item is items from staff and the item on here is the Longmont sustainability coalition meeting, I will say that I was the board representative for this until my health issues last year kind of took me out of commission.
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And this, who is the person speaking on this, it’s it’s a fun meeting, I encourage anyone to
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Yeah, that’s me. And I just wanted to remind folks that the next alarm on sustainability coalition meeting is may 12. So it’s before your next meeting. So I just wanted to make sure that was on everybody’s radar to attend the meetings are, they start at 515 their spot until 715. But we haven’t taken up that two hours slot in quite a while, especially with meetings being virtual. We do often come for some similar information that we do in this group, for those of you that aren’t familiar with with that group. But it is an opportunity for networking and sharing with a number of different folks that are engaged in sustainability activities. across the community. There’s representation from some of the other boards and commissions as well. And folks just usually share their priorities. So just want to make sure it was on on folks radar.
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And hopefully, we’ll, we’ll entertain.
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Great, thank you.
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Does anyone Oh, fancy did you do you want to add in there.
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I just we had additional items from staff that was not listed.
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So we actually were just shared this today, and we’ll send it after the meeting. There’s a 119 first mile, final mile study, and some other transportation items that are happening that we will share with the board. But the feedback is between now and the next meeting. So wanted to mention that and share that with the board.
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And then also their birthdays tomorrow. So there’s a number of Earth events happening at the museum this week. The climate change the climate, I forget that climate change series is actually was part of a Climate Action Task Force recommendation. There’s also a sustainability sustainable, resilient, long run event this Saturday where there are evening events are focusing on actual climate action. So we have presentations from city staff, as well as the actual Climate Action Team has a panel. So just wanted to let the board know about the different birthday events happening this week.
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Is that virtual? Or is that in person? All our virtual so the panelists are in person, but you can watch on usually live stream to Facebook, and then this Saturday, English will be live streamed to Facebook and Spanish will be live streamed to our YouTube page.
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All right. Annie, did you have anything else you wanted to?
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did the board anyone on the board have any items?
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Okay, so, sorry, Kate, a quick question. If we have comments about like, what our business was of the day, when’s the appropriate time to make those comments? The
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I’m not sure what you’re asking. So for example, we just had a long discussion with
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Pat River Power, authority, etc. and Is there time for us to kind of debrief with each other or to make comments on what we heard or to comment on the things that we asked of the PR, pa etc. When’s a good time to do that? That is a great question. I do not question.
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Appropriate if you want to, to talk about it. Under items from the board. Perfect. We passed.
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I actually that’s where we’re at right now. Yeah. That is where we’re at. Okay.
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Yeah, so a couple quick questions.
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I thought it was great to have them here. I wonder if we might have them on again, at some point. I mean, I think act you’ll basically had to come up with questions on the phone.
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Live from their presentations and, you know, might be good for us to kind of digest a little bit and talk to them again, and maybe even for them to come back after they’ve gone back and thought about some of our questions.
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Anyway, I’m not sure if the rest of the board would be interested in that. The question, you know, I really, you know, Mary kind of asked this question, and we didn’t quite get an answer. And I tried to ask the question, too, about the role between l.
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p RPA. And private generation and energy storage, like, what, what’s their philosophy on that, and I really think that’d be good to hear about. So I don’t know if the rest of the board would be interested in bringing it back and talking some more, but I would be,
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I would be as well. And in terms of that point, I also think that it would be important to have some representation from the city, you know, because one of the probably the biggest change that long one’s going to undergo between now and 2030, is just going to get a hell of a lot more dense. And many of these, kind of like the Aspen project, and these distributed power, things assume that people have a big roof.
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And, and might not work as we try to increase Walmart’s population without expanding its footprint, which I know is one of our goals. So I would agree, and it would be great if we could if we could coordinate with ahead of time with some of these competing interests to figure out how they actually would play out. And what the realistic, kind of like population density and rooftop availability and importance of trees and how all those things actually would interact with each other. I think it would be good to have city representation to help kind of deal with that as well. I’m not sure who the right person would be. I always just assumed it would be Lisa, but I don’t know.
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I saw I think the address Adam, Mary Polly.
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Well, I can just briefly mentioned that I would be in support of having the RBA come back, my understanding is that Christo was going to bring some of our questions to their board and other folks there. And so it will be good to see and hear what their thoughts are regarding those. And it also be nice to have some time to digest some of that material and think about it and then come back and deal with some questions.
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Yeah, I agree with James and Adam, Charles, I think that they need to come back. Some of the question is like what James asked, I know that,
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that there’s movements to I think 350 dot org is involved with this, too, to put more solar installations in riparian areas, I found about that in the 350. Colorado page. I know that there’s a
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lot of movements around the world to integrate with car batteries, especially fleets, so that they can be used for storage for off peak storage, and they can be recharged first thing in the morning. I think we need a larger picture with larger entities, you know, and James, if it’s if there isn’t room on the apartment houses and the condos, perhaps the commercial areas, Pete folks are interested in, in putting in solar arrays, I think we need a larger picture to understand the scope of what’s coming, what we know, and how some other communities in parts of the world have solved these issues.
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Thanks. Yeah, Polly.
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You’re on mute.
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While you’re muted?
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Okay. I do. I’m in support of what Charles said, because I do think that we gave them James and Charles. And Mary, everyone gave them good questions to consider. I would like to see them think I don’t think they’ve heard about what Mary suggested with virtualization. And if they, I would like them to
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give an answer about a lot of these things, which of course, they’re just answering on the fly. And so if they’ve had time to take it back to the board and bring it back, that would be good. And what their plans are to
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create training programs, for instance, or what we have in in, in mind about training programs for people who are being put out of work by the very things that we’re doing there.
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Anyway, um, yeah, if anybody wants to hear a brief explanation of some things that city council did last night.
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I’d be happy to do that.
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before we hear the council items, I want to check in with
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Lisa, Annie francy who are in charge of our who comes and talks to us and
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feelings on I also am supportive. Another LPC
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presentation. Yeah, I think
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I was thinking about that as you all were talking, I’d be happy to. There. There’s
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all of that is a lot, what you all just talked about booms probably a couple of meetings that we would want to either set aside at least one meeting to have trpa. Come back and dig deeper into some of those questions that you all had asked when they have time to process. And when you all have time, I saw that trestles already sent some information that I will send along to you all. And then I think that and potentially another meeting that can pull together some of those other areas, as Jim talked about, we have been talking about having it is on my schedule for this year, I haven’t actually scheduled the what month it would be but an update for with regards to the Envision Longmont comprehensive plan. And that’s our planning folks that would be able to speak to what our current projections around build out population density, what is what does that look like? As far as we know, today? Obviously, you know, even that’s just to talk about a lot of those things can shift and change. But what’s our current understanding?
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There’s opportunities around community solar that can address some of those things. So I can pull together a couple of folks and have probably at least an initial kind of overview and conversation around that. And if there’s
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additional more in depth information that people want, we can we can at least kind of start there and move forward. a two hour meeting is probably not enough, it is enough to scratch the surface on some of those issues and just kind of get some information and ask them individual questions, but probably a longer term conversation that this board might want to consider as an ongoing
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case to discuss and look at options and directions for the city.
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Yeah, Tim, did you want to throw something in there? Yeah, you know, I just want to keep everybody focused on the fact of what Justin was saying about this five year and four year plans, right? You can have them back in the summer, I don’t think they’re gonna give you the answers you want and you ask all great questions. But a lot of them have to do with the five to 10 year period and even beyond that, which they will be working on over the next three or four years to come up with a new iorp. And I think what they’re going to tell you is those are great questions, and we’re going to consider them for our next iorp. Because that’s the next block of time we need to plan for. And, you know, hitting back to Jim, what your your questions are awesome questions, because all those resources we’re using for renewables are limited resources, right, they’re scarce. But I think what goes into the models is a big chunk of technical logical advancement is going to solve it for us. Right. So that’s what we always counted on. And that’s what’s in models, right. And the further out a model goes, the less good it’s going to be about planning for actual reality. And I think that goes to backup, kind of what Platte River does with this five year planning is they can put on the table stuff that’s there. Now, what we can plan on now, five to 10 years, man technology is changing so fast, there may be a battery, but built on zinc, that’s a common resource that we’re going to be implementing everywhere in 10 years, because it’s cheap. And it’s every and we have a lot of it. So I think in those models, there is that component, a big component of technological advancement is going to bring cost down. And it’s going to have new ways to do things that aren’t going to count on the limited resources we have now. So I just wanted to, you know, you know, make everyone aware that I don’t know if they’re going to be able to answer a lot of questions that you’re answering right now without doing further study, which of course they need to do for the next iorp. Thank you for that healthy dose of reality. Appreciate. Pretty good spec downer.
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Oh, my gosh, there’s so many hands. We have five minutes left.
Unknown Speaker 1:54:11
I just, yeah, comment. At least it’s great to know what the resources are out there. And my question is centered around
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what is the formal and comprehensive system that we need in order to understand what the resources are out there and how they can be integrated, which is the algorithmic stuff that that
Unknown Speaker 1:54:35
Mr. Han Barca suggests, talked about and that we’re talking about with virtualization, which the forge models already exist.
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So I was just gonna suggest that I mean, I know there’s a couple options that are out there. We could schedule a special meeting to have this conversation in the future. We could also
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compile a list of additional questions and send that to both Dave Hornbacher and just interested, you know, pull the resources, because I think, you know, it’s kind of hard to answer some of these questions on the fly, because they’re very technical and a lot of people that are involved in putting together, you know, the AARP. And so that may be another option, and it wouldn’t take up meeting time. And I know we have a lot of things on future agenda. So that’s a great idea national meeting, or compiling a list of these questions, and having them answer them in writing might be an option. And filing list is a great idea. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:55:39
I think I would support that one, too. Thanks, Annie.
Unknown Speaker 1:55:44
The Charles. And just a quick, quick note on what Tim was talking about, I was thinking not so much on getting answers your specific answers to specifically what they would do. But I’m very interested in the philosophy and kind of what they how they see their role and what they’ll do. So I think those are things they can answer. There actually is already a battery, not based on zinc, but lithium, iron phosphate, it’s already in coming along. All those are abundant materials.
Unknown Speaker 1:56:12
The lanthanides are what I’m worried about the what Jim is talking about the lanthanides for the rare earth magnets are where we’re going to have issues but anyway, but anyway, back but the I do think they can answer questions about the general philosophy of, you know, the customer relationship and generation and virtual power plants, not so much into the specifics of like, what do they actually what will they actually do?
Unknown Speaker 1:56:35
Okay, thanks, Heather, you popped in for a second and pop back out. I was just gonna offer the same options that Annie suggested. Cool. Thank you.
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The next item on the agenda is items from Council. Polly.
Unknown Speaker 1:56:56
Okay, I thought it would be try to be brief about what we decided last night and let people yell at me if they want to.
Unknown Speaker 1:57:06
But I really support what Annie said, because I know that when you’re talking in trying to do a presentation, and people are asking you questions.
Unknown Speaker 1:57:16
It’s mind boggling. So you’re not always necessarily writing down because you’re also trying to talk. So if we sent them a list of questions, that would be helpful to them, too. So last night, there are two things that I thought I would bring up, because
Unknown Speaker 1:57:31
I think that it might be difficult for people to understand why we voted the way we voted, we’re at being asked to, this is something new, in a way Council’s being asked for to support or not support, um, different issues that are state issues. So two of them that came up last night?
Unknown Speaker 1:57:58
Well, there were three of them. One was the justice, the equity, justice, Partnership, which it everybody is for that in theory, but it depends upon how you define equity and marginalized people. But we voted for it anyway. I don’t want this to be just a racially
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based thing is my opinion is that it really is about poverty. Of course, people of color, tend to be much more living in poverty. But the truth is that there are also many people who are not people of color are living in poverty.
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And they need to be considered with justice in
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energy issues forward. The second one is the
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the there’s an idea to have a special district created for
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hot passenger rail. And I think this is exciting. I think this is terrific. However,
Unknown Speaker 1:59:13
in a special district is a financial creation. It’s the way you finance it, you get everybody to vote for a special district to tax themselves that additional amount to support that special district and given that people in Colorado have voted against paying for transportation again and again. And again. It seems to be the only way we will actually get anything done.
Unknown Speaker 1:59:41
However, you know, we already have a special district, the Regional Transportation district, and we can see how well that has worked out for long that not too well. And we’ve had it for a long, long time. So we have to be very careful about doing that. So it’s it kind of a complicated
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we voted to not support it unless it was amended. Because there are things in it, which would let everybody would turn it into, instead of something designed by engineers, which usually works, it would be designed by politicians, which rarely works. So
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that’s why we voted against.
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Nevertheless, I’m really excited. I think this is a very big opportunity for us to have from Wyoming to New Mexico, a
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passenger rail, this is what we need for the future. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a train, whatever it is, we need the right of way. And we need a transportation system that is not on the on the highways, it needs to be discreet. So it will actually function despite the traffic. And so it will take traffic off the roads.
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the last one is has to do with gas and oil emissions, greenhouse gases.
Unknown Speaker 2:01:06
And we voted to monitor that unless it was amended.
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And that’s going to piss off a lot of people sorry.
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It is not something that actually does anything about oil and gas directly. What it does is put p UC in charge of getting reports and also monitoring and also
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analyzing people who don’t comply.
Unknown Speaker 2:01:42
That’s kind of problematic, because we have our own, we have worked pretty hard in this community to
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create sustainability, and to monitor gas and oil emissions. And
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to create a system whereby
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River Power Authority
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will get as to something rational by 2030. And other communities have done nothing. So we would be under this thing we would be under PVC instead of right now. That’s controlled by elected officials, the City Council, working with the Platte River Power Authority, who are composed of half elected officials and half utility company, people. So that’s a problem. The other problem is we were told by the city and there’s some just viewed on whether this is true that there will be an immediate penalty for carbon emissions that we’re already currently emitting. And it would be in the amount of $96 million.
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that’s a lot of money.
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So that’s kind of a problem. That’s why we voted to monitor it unless it’s gets fixed.
Unknown Speaker 2:03:13
So if you want to yell at me, go ahead.
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floor is open to Polly.
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Thank you, folly.
Unknown Speaker 2:03:29
Um, so the last item on the agenda is
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there, the informational items and correspondence that is included in the word packet directing your attention there, there’s nothing for us to do. But please know that it’s
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and now we’ve come to the end. Would anybody like to make a motion to adjourn?
Unknown Speaker 2:03:54
I’ll move that we adjourn this meeting of the Longmont sustainability board.
Unknown Speaker 2:03:59
I will second that motion.
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Great. All in favor. Aye.
Unknown Speaker 2:04:04
Aye. Thanks, everyone for another great meeting. Have a good one. Thank you. Take care, everyone. I thank you take care.
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