Longmont City Council Regular Session – January 14, 2020

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Alright, let’s go ahead and get started at seven o’clock. Welcome, welcome.

All right, let’s go ahead and call the meeting to order. Let’s go ahead and start with the roll call.

Mayor Bagley here councilmembers Christianson you know firing Martin



let’s have a pledge

pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

and to the republic for which it stands,

one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

for all.

Alright, quick reminder, anyone wishing to speak at first call public invited to be heard will should add their name his or her name to the list that’s outside. It is a regular session. So you’ll still get a chance to speak if you don’t put it on the list. But you’ll have to wait till the end. So let’s go ahead Dr. Motion to approve the minutes of December 17 2019. All right. It’s been moved and seconded. That was Councillor Peck removed and Dr. Tim waters who seconded let’s go ahead and vote open. Sorry, Councilmember Christian sir.

As I spoke with Don Quintana today



final line on the first page to sit to cross out a point of order and replace it with two appeals, which is a correction to a correction we made before.

That would have to

have a second. All right.

All Second. Okay, that’s fine.

Alright, let’s go and vote. Alright, that

passes unanimously. All right agenda revisions and submission of documents and our motions to direct the city manager at agenda items. Let’s go ahead and let’s go ahead and just

Mayor might you all have a substitute ordinance for item eight a, just as a correction in a typographical error

regarding the raw water requirement, Jordan it says on your desk and hardcopy. Awesome.

He was talking about zeros, okay. Okay. All right. And then let’s go ahead and turn the time over transfer Peck.

Thank you. Are we now doing? I’m sorry, I missed what you said Are we doing now?

You want to do it You had a question for Council. So

yeah, I do. I wanted to suspend the order of the agenda because I have a question for council I need direction. I put on each of your desk the letter to David Genova, it is from naita then the northern area transportation Alliance. naida has been working on trying to come up with what each municipality in this jurisdiction is wanting. RTD to face to addressed. So, on the reverse side of that are bullet points that tell what it is we want and each your jurisdiction. What I want to know is that Oh, and each bullet point we’re going to have subcommittee and I’m on the subcommittee to have goals, targets and what we will do if RTD does not comply. So what I need to know from council because I represent council at the northern area, transportation, transportation Alliance, do we want to go with what native is asking to do, which is to complete the peak service for RTD to complete the in line, it is basically everything that RTD has promised to do, but has not done so this is the first time actually that this alliance has decided to work together as a group and to me that Pretty exciting now that we’re going to have a new General Manager. We finally after our director working for six years have a 15 member board that is voting eight to seven in our favor. It’s taken a long time. So there’s some turnover that I think can be positive, as we move really hard on pushing on goals, timelines, and consequences. So what I need to know is does this council want me to represent you that way at naida?

Mayor Pro Tem

making my bag


the new council liaison to the competing solutions. I am aware that Mr Genova his term is pretty much going to be completed within the next week or so. are two weeks. And so I’m just wondering. I mean, I’m completely happy to have you represent us as far as Nate is concerned. And I do agree with the bullet points on the back of the letter here, but that it maybe should be addressed to the whoever the new interim director is versus Mr. Genova? Just a question.

That’s perfect.

So I agree. And his retirement came as a complete surprise

to some people, not to me.

We had to address this to David Genova because he is the director at this point. And actually, it’s addressed to the board because the board makes the decisions to direct staff. So it is professional way to do this, basically, is to address it to the general manager. And by the way, all of those interviews have been completed for the general manager. They are those I think Five people, they’re looking at their online, you can go make your own comments, read their biographies, and give your comments as to who you think would fill that position. But as we do a complete turnover, I have confidence that we are going to move forward. And I see

some head shaking over there.

So are you they sent this letter yet or they’re just looking for council approval.

This letter is gone out to everybody to state legislators to the community solutions to all of the elected officials of the municipalities in NATO.

Did your the council council appointed you to NATO? Right?

They did. But I want to make sure that you know what we’re doing. And as a representative, you agree that this is the way to go. I I feel strongly that One person on this council should not make that decision.


I moved that we can sit with it. I moved the town’s mayor Pat continue her efforts.

Councillor Christianson?

We’re going to vote on

it. I’m in this Yeah.

I spoke.

All right, that passes unanimously. Thank you, Councillor Peck. All right. There. follow up question.

Yeah. So there was a motion back in November for there to be an ex executive session before March 2020. Is that still in process or except for the clarification?

me back? Yeah, um, depending upon the way this vote went, would depend upon whether we needed an executive session. So because everybody agreed that we should continue to work with the northern area. We have transportation Alliance on this. I personally don’t think we need an executive session. Let’s just since I’m the one that made the motion to do it. I I feel like I should chime in.

I guess I guess the only question is my recollection was we were going to talk about legal options with RTD.

Do you still want to do that?

Well, part of the the Subcommittee on these bullet points, for example, and I’m only going to use the peak rail service, because that’s what we’re interested in part of the bullet points and the targets and the goals and the deadlines. And then the what happens if they don’t meet their goals and deadlines? NATO as an alliance has talked about legal action. So I don’t know. I don’t know that. That would be part of my representation, and I would come back And let you know what’s happening and where we’re going. And if RTD is making its deadlines that we are implementing, and if they are not, and I think legal action would be, at that point, a good conversation, but because there’s so much turnover and OTD at this point, I think we should work with them to see where we’re going.

That’s where Martin

Thank you, Mayor Bagley I

am, I think that we should still have an executive session just so we know where we stand in what our options are. I’m often asked whether you know that we have anything

to do but

submit ourselves to what ever RTD does, and I also think that we have in terms of city planning effort Around local transportation, that we have some very innovative ideas being brought forward. And if that that those that those could also change our relationship to RTD. So I would prefer to still have an executive session just to discuss those matters.

comes from because we’re back.

It looks like on our retreat agenda, we are we are talking about our TD and I think that we could talk about at that point, all of the issues around transportation within the city, and then determine, determine whether we need to go forward with an executive session. That’s my input.

Alright, so basically, Eugene, I think there’s a motion. The motion still stands. We still that’s still council direction, but we’re going to go have a retreat, and we’ll change our mind maybe.

I’m good. All right, Dr. Waters.

Thanks Mayor Bagley,

the if this agenda were ordered a little differently, and we were his staff was giving her accounts was giving direction to staff after proclamations. I would move to give staff some direction relative to one of the specific proclamations on their agenda tonight. I’m I’d rather do it after the we hear the proclamations. Would that be a motion? for personal privilege? Or just just just make it? I’d rather make it then. It

does. All right. I’ll wait then.

Alright, let’s go ahead. See you managed to do you ever report.

No report. I haven’t seen you for forever Harold. I know.

You doing all right.

My old

good. Alright, let’s go on to special reports and presentations if we could have those who are here to receive the proclamation designating January 2020 is cervical cancer awareness month. Thank you. Thank you. I’m going to start reading while you come down and just stand at the Dyess it says proclamation proclamation designating January 28 2020 is cervical cancer awareness month but it should be day in Longmont, Colorado, whereas cervical cervical cancer is the fourth most common cancer in women women worldwide. And whereas each year more than 500,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer, and more than 250,000 die from the disease worldwide. And whereas in the US, more than 13,000 new cases of cervical cancer are diagnosed and more than 4000 women die from the disease each year. And whereas cervical cancer is almost always preventable through pap tests and HPV tests, and whereas HPV the cause of nearly all cervical cancers can be prevented when all cervical cancer can be prevented when all cervical cancers can’t align. Whereas HPV the cause of nearly all cervical cancers can can be prevented when girls and boys are vaccinated against the virus. And whereas January is cervical Cancer Awareness Month and alumni community is committed to educating the public about this disease. Now therefore I Brian j Bagley mayor, by virtue of the authority vested in me and the City Council, the city of Longmont do hereby proclaim January 28 2020 is cervical cancer awareness month in Longmont and invite all to join us as we work together to protect all girls and women from this disease. Sign me. So would you like to say something?

I would just like to say thank you so much for helping me to spread awareness about cervical cancer and HPV. It’s not a highly known and it’s going to take people like myself who are survivors to get out there to spread awareness.

Thank you. Thank you. Can we take your picture with you? Sure. Great.

And I’m sure you can’t see it at home, but this is the first time we’ve had our cool new logo and our proclamations. All right. So if we could have people who are proclamation designating January 14 2020 is healthy drinks for kids day in long month. long time coming.

All right, this is a proclamation designating January 14 2020 is healthy drinks for kids day in Longmont, Colorado, whereas the health and well being of chill is a primary concern for the city of Longmont and whereas overweight and obese children are at are at an increased risk for serious health health serious health problems, including heart disease type two diabetes, asthma, cavities, depression and cancer. And whereas boulder County’s childhood obesity rates have increased by 43% since 2003. And whereas two thirds of children consume at least one sugary drink on any given day, and children who drink just one sugary drink a day are 55% more likely to be overweight or obese. And whereas the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that children aim for less than 25 grams that six teaspoons of added sugars per day and no more than eight ounces of sugary drinks per week, and those under age to consume no drinks added sugars. Now therefore I Brian g Bagley Mayor by virtue of the authority vested in me and the City Council, the city of Longmont do hereby proclaim January 14 2020 is healthy drinks for kids day in long line and encourage all to provide healthy unsweetened drinks to children today and every day to support the health and well being of all Children llama. It’s really fun. Would you like to say something?

Yeah, I’ll keep it under three minutes. I promise to respect your time. I’m good evening Mayor bakley and city council. On behalf of healthy Longmont coalition with all these lovely people wearing orange in the back we would like to sincerely thank you for declaring January 14 Healthy Kids for drink stay here long Mom, I really appreciate it. As a mom of these two great kids violet and Christian, and as a co founder of the nonprofit St. brain healthy kids here in Longmont. I’m becoming increasingly concerned about the health of children in our nation. My kids generation is the first generation in American history to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents. And my kids generation one and three children are expected to experience diabetes in their lifetime. And for kids of color that goes up to one and two here in Boulder County. Are the rate of children experiencing overweight or obesity increased from 16% into 2012 to 2014 to 26% in 2015 to 2017, which is a huge 10 percentage point increase. And that actually led water County Public Health to declare childhood obesity health epidemic here in Boulder County. Ensuring that kids have access to healthy drinks such as milk and water is critical to ensuring their long term health. I mean just one drink a day of a sugary beverage increases their risk of cardiovascular disease, type two diabetes, liver disease and cavities, which is actually the number one reason that kids miss school interestingly enough, in fact, kids their number one source of sugar in their diets is sugary beverages. And the average kid in the United States drinks 30 gallons of sugary drinks a year which is the equivalent of one bathtub for my nonprofit has hosted for public events in Longmont where we were talking about this The health risks of consuming beverages for health for kids in Longmont and our coalition has been to many, many long run events including unity in the community and Cinco de Mayo and the fair these kids came along and helped. We talked to a ton of people we’ve reached out to restaurants and the overwhelming consensus is that promoting kids health through limiting sugary beverages and supporting the drinking of healthy beverages is something that really matters to people. And there’s lots of ways to make our environment healthier for people to make the healthy choice the easy choice for parents and for kids. For instance, families go out to dinner or to out to restaurants four to five times on average each week. And most kids meals come with sugary beverages. So you know even if restaurants started promoting healthier beverages such as unsweetened milk and water, it would really go a long way in protecting our kids health. So our hope is that this proclamation will we have the city council on taking steps to ensure that our restaurants are promoting healthy drinks for kids.

All right, well, we’ll get you kids willing to take a picture with this. Oh, you got something to say I’m sorry

for supporting your Proclamation.

You’re welcome.

Thank you for helping us make us healthier.

You’re welcome. Let’s take a picture.

Yeah, perfect. All right.

There we go. Thank you.

Terrible things. We get to go home early.

All right. Thank you.

There’s easier ways. All right, let’s go ahead and move on to the next Proclamation. It is a proclamation designating January 14 to 20th 2020 is honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Week in Longmont, Colorado. We’d like to invite those folks who were here to receive the proclamation up. And I think we got the wording right this year. If not, I apologize. It’s always my fault. All right. A proclamation designating January 14 through 20th 2020 is honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Week, in Longmont, Colorado, whereas January 20 2020 marks the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday on which we honor Dr. King’s unwavering fight for the absence of oppression and the presence of opportunity for all who sacrifice to sow the seeds for a movement of peace, equality and justice. And whereas across the nation in the state of Colorado and in the city of Longmont honoring Dr. King has become a week of service within our communities. events held throughout Boulder County are made possible by the commitment and dedication of many volunteers from diverse backgrounds. combined efforts of these volunteers are a fulfillment of Dr. King’s dream and highlight the importance of the civil rights movement and the need to take action. And whereas this will be a week highlighting our five pillars of purpose, celebration, tribute, education, service and solidarity. And whereas Miss Kathleen a Sanford’s demonstrated commitment and dedication to service and civil rights is outstanding and commendable. Her passion for equality is a definite reflection of Dr. King’s legacy. Now therefore, I Brian J. Bagley Mayor by virtue of the authority vested me and the City Council, the city Walmart do hereby proclaim the week of January 14th through 20th 20 is honoring Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Week in Longmont and invite all to attend the events honoring Dr. King. So thank you very much and you had better be Miss Sanford. That would be really awkward. I am.

Okay, good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Got it. Right. Got it. Right. Okay.

Would you like to say something? Just a few words. I don’t have anything memorized. Like all of those stats. Wow, that’s fantastic. That sheet Just a minute ago. No, I just wanted to say first, I want to thank my friend Madeline Woodley for for nominating me. And, and just I can’t I grew up with a long line of strong women that believed in equality. And I was always taught that yes, there are good people in the world and there are bad people in the world. But it has nothing to do with the color of their skin has nothing to do with their nationality, or their sexual orientation. It has to do with how they treat others, you know, if they’re respectful, if they’re honest, if they’re kind, and I just saw something on Facebook that really struck me as if don’t ever look down on someone unless you’re trying to help them back up. So I am just so honored and delighted and thrilled and, and shocked that I’m getting this. This award I didn’t realize it was. We’re doing the same thing again this year. So we have hope to have a good turnout again, but I’m not expecting a second reward. But thank

you so much.

Never No. No. So So what it also make sure that everybody you’re ready for Friday. So make sure that everybody’s supposed to be there’s gets an invite.

Yes. Well, Saturday at second Baptist. Oh You go ahead.

Hello I am Glenda strong Robinson and I’m honored to be before you once again. I was one of those people who was fortunate enough I didn’t know I was fortunate at the time. But on March 28 1968, I was in that last March at this of the sanitation strike in Memphis, Tennessee. I was 19 years old, a junior at Memphis State University. And this is what we’re going to be remembering. Because all of our lives have changed as a result of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in the Voting Rights Act of 65. To that end, on Saturday at six Baptist from noon to four, we will be having a celebration. Our guest speaker is none other than Reverend Dr. Al Mella. Starks Moshe whose father was the chief strategist for that sanitation strike in Memphis. On Saturday will be it I’m sorry on Sunday will be at Kathy’s church in Lafayette First United Methodist Church of Lafayette and will be singing and doing a lot of stuff. Our guest speaker there is honorable Judge Carolyn Wade Blackett. And judge black it is from Memphis, Tennessee as well. She’s a personal friend of ours and we’re so honored that she will be in our fair city. And then on Monday, our finale is at Silver Creek High School. She judge black it will be the keynote speaker they’re talking about Man, the message and the method and so to all of the community of Longmont, Lafayette Lewisville, Boulder County all of Boulder County. Please come and celebrate with us.

Thank you. Thank you,

but you can’t go sit down yet. Just something to say. No, but we got a picture right. Let’s go

Come over here

Alright, so it looks like we now have an update on the climate action.

Climate Action Committee,

Mayor Bagley and members of city

council I’m sorry, before we do that, waters.

Thank you. I’m anxious to hear this report. But before we did that report, I think all of us are aware that there’s those who brought the proclamation for your consideration. Tonight. also have some proposed language

that would translate

healthy choices into easy choices for families into into draft ordinance language or at least the concepts. I’d like to direct staff to work with the representatives from the county. We’re here tonight to bring us in a study session, draft language for an ordinance that would Establish non trick sugary drinks as the preferred first option on menus in restaurants in Longmont with enforcement of that ordinance being left to the county in terms of code compliant.

Right. It’s been moved by Dr. waters and seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez.

Let’s go ahead and vote.

All right, that passes unanimously. Look at that a proclamation and emotion. All right, you guys just scored. All right, Dale. Now let’s talk about the Climate Action Committee.

Mayor Bagley and members accounts from Dale Rademacher deputy city manager for the city. with me tonight is handy noble our environmental services manager Lisa Knobloch is not feeling well and so we’re going to pitch it for this presentation tonight. I wanted to start with taking us back to October 9, where the Council passed the climate emergency resolution and set forth in the number of different actions that they believed to be critically important for not only the staff but certainly for the entire community of Longmont in order to take this community forward in order to convert us to a socially and economically, ecologically sustainable economy, one that is very inclusive and is supportive of all here. And that critically, works towards the reduction of our greenhouse gas footprint, both in quantity and in time as rapidly as we can and acknowledged many steps and actions that the city was already underway with such as the hundred percent renewable by 2030 and so on. Tonight, what we want to do is update the council you gave further direction, if you will, to that issue, I believe back in December. And it was in the context of, we want to be sure that the staff understands that this is a crisis, not unlike the crisis in the emergency that we went through in the 2013. Flood. And so that means a lot to me as a staff member, that is something where that triggers for me all kinds of, of actions that we need to be taking immediately. And so we’re going to report on some of that work. And he’s going to give an update on some of the work going on with the task force. And then of course, take whatever questions or direction Council has tonight is intended to be fairly high level. It’s not intended to drill down into the weeds too far. But rather to keep this issue both in front of the Council, and equally important in front of the community, in the context of our collective need to educate and inform the community. What we’re doing why we’re doing it And how they can help. So with that, I’ll turn it over to Danny.

Thank you, Dale, Mayor Bagley, members of council. I’m Annie noble Environmental Services Manager, I’m going to give you a brief update on the actions that we’ve been taking to try to address the climate for emergency. I’m going to start out with a diagram of our 2016 greenhouse gas inventory to provide context of where our greenhouse gas emissions are coming from. And then I’m going to update you on the Climate Action Task Force, and then talk about the city efforts that we’re taking to address the climate crisis. And then we’ll talk about next steps. This is the diagram of our 2016 greenhouse gas inventory. So this diagram shows the greenhouse gas emissions from the city of Long mods, so not just city operations, but the city itself, as well as city operations. And you could see that a major contribution to our greenhouse gas emissions comes from electricity 50% of that 31% comes from the commercial sector, and 19 from the residential sector after electricity, the next major contribution comes from transportation. And the thing I want to point out here is that of the 29% 13% is attributed to air travel, and that’s commercial air travel. So from da, not our local airport. And then the third major contribution comes from natural gas. And you can see the distribution of the total 18% 11 is from residential and seven from the commercial sector. So that provides some context of how we’re looking at strategizing ways to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions. Those are our missions. The I just wanted to point out that the full report if you’re interested 2016 greenhouse gas emission inventory report is available on our website. We’re currently in the process of updating the inventory based on our 2019 emissions. So we’re in the process of updating that right now. A Climate Action Task Force has been convened. It’s made up of members of the public and city staff, city council members. They have eight meetings that have been scheduled to have already been held, and they came up with preliminary focus areas that are listed on this slide. The last meeting is scheduled for the beginning of April. And their plan is to have a draft report soon after that last meeting in April. Now, I’m going to go into some of the efforts that the city is taking to try to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions and address the climate crisis on focusing on the three areas electricity, natural gas, and transportation. So as far as electricity You saw that 50% of our contribution comes from electricity. As you know, we we in Platte River Power Authority have a commitment to transition to 100% renewable electricity by 2030. I understand that Platte River Power Authority has some contracts out for additional solar power, they’re also looking at storage. And once those contracts have been fulfilled, we’re looking at being at 50% toward our goal, so that’s pretty good. We also separate from the Platte River Power Authority, but in collaboration or cooperation with the Platte River Power Authority, the city of Longmont has issued a request for proposals to evaluate solar the feasibility of solar panels on our city facility so we’re looking at a different sites. We haven’t chosen those sites yet, but the proposals are due February 11. So we’ll be evaluating those Different options to look at the capacity that these various sites have and how they could tie into our electric infrastructure. As far as transportation, the construction of the renewable natural gas project has been completed, it was completed in December. We’re currently in the process of testing the equipment and starting it up. And this will take methane gas from the wastewater treatment plant and it’ll clean it, scrub it, compress it, and then it’ll be available for use in our sanitation fleet. This will reduce the amount of diesel fuel by about 100,000 gallons a year. So that’s pretty cool. We’re excited about it starting up you’ll get an opportunity to tour the facility at your retreat in February.

I also wanted to point out that the city has four EV electric vehicle charging stations that are managed by the City, and they’re free and open to the public. So that’s something that we’re trying to encourage people to use. As far as city fleet, we’ve evaluated our inventory. Our fleet manager has done an evaluation of the availability of electric vehicles on the market. And Sandy would say we’re looking at leaning and greening our fleet. So what that means is we’re looking at reducing the number of vehicles that we have, and we’re looking at transitioning to electric vehicles. So any vehicles that are scheduled to be replaced in 2020, we’re looking at replacing them with electric vehicles. And if there aren’t electric vehicles available, like trucks that are coming out in 2021 2022, we’re going to defer the purchase of those vehicles. I also wanted to point out that the city encourages staff to telecommute to teleconference. And so we try to minimize our driving. We all have eco passes and people are encouraged to use them. So we’re working on the transportation sector. In the natural gas area, we currently have a contract underway where we’re having four of our city facilities evaluated for energy efficiency. So that’s the service center, the utility Center, the Senior Center and the memorial building. And we’re looking at how we can make those buildings more energy efficient. And when those buildings after that has been completed. We’re also going to be looking at the possibility of fully electrifying those buildings, see what what, whether that’s a possibility. So that’s currently in the works, we should have that information back in March and be able to move forward with some of that work. Also looking at the possibility of electrification, just the impacts and the costs associated with electrification, beneficial electric electrification. So, what that would mean to the city if we were to go to full electrification, what the cost and impacts would be to our infrastructure. And then I wanted to point out that in conjunction with Platte River Power Authority, we have the efficiency works program, which helps all residents in Longmont who are interested looking at the efficiency of their their residence. In 2020, we have requested a grant through the Boulder County sustainability grant matching grant program to do an evaluation of equitable carbon free transportation and EV readiness. So we’ll be bringing that grant IGA forward in the next several weeks and we’re also in the process of hiring a staff member to look at commercial benchmarking, and we’re looking toward the 2021 building code to see what comes out of that. Our plan is to bring you periodic progress updates. Our next update is planned for the retreat. The information that we’re getting out of all these work efforts we’re going to incorporate into our 2020 work plans, and we’re starting to look at how that will impact the 2020 month budget. So with that, there are many staff here that are available to answer any questions you have or if you want to provide any direction on what you’d like to see before the retreat. We’d be happy to hear that

man. One thing real quick, is council knows. Joanie has been moved into the role of the assistant city manager and we move building services into that area. One of the things that we’re doing is we had some bond projects that we were looking at in turn fire stations and some of the other facility work. We’re going to take a different look at those those projects and how we approach them from a structural perspective. And many of the things about beneficial electric electric electrification, and those concepts are going to be brought into the development of those projects as part of the evaluation. And so just so you know, some of those may be slowed down a little bit, but we want to actually do the good work to evaluate how we move forward on those projects.

All right. Thank you, Councilmember Martin.

Hi, am I I just wanted to ask, and I know it may make the graph look a little funny, the pie chart look a little funny, but I wanted to be sure that in 2019 in our greenhouse gas inventory, that we would use our share of prps total emissions from generation Ram. than delivered, because I think we need to take responsibility for all of it. I’m seeing nods. So that’s great. Thank you for doing that.

Councilmember Peck.

Thank you, Mayor. I’m just to underscore the climate emergency.


the climate shoot, the monitoring systems are up at the union reservoir and today, were some of the highest readings of methane. They were eight up 8000, which is huge. What is Do you know what the norm is? The EPA standards, but it is there, they rose within the last 24 hours, which is quite alarming. So when we talk about this, can we bring in those readings from that website as well? Because I think that that is really important. And that’s why we got those monitoring stations. So if I, if I could

comment on that real quickly, thank you for that Councilmember pack. The interesting thing is we’ve just got those stations up and running. And we’re already getting requests for the data. And so we’re, we’re trying to do that smart. We want to make sure if we’re sharing the data, that we’re sharing it in a way that is effective, and it’s being used appropriately and all those things. So the good news is, people in the business, as they say, that are doing the research, understand the value of this type of a endeavor, and so happy to report that the data coming in is of interest. And it’s going to be put on the map of any number of different agencies that are in the business of regional air quality monitoring. And so, you bet that’s that’s information we’ll do and we’ll invite Dr. Detlev to come in and continue to advise us on again, he’s the researcher. We’re more staff. So we try to hook up with people that are experts in whatever arena, but thank you for that.

Sure. And I do have one other thing when I mentioned at Dr. Kog that we are going to put in easier quality monitoring. There was incredible interest from the other municipalities. But Annie, Lisa had reached out to me and I was very late and replying that she wants to know what Dr. kargh is doing as well as what we are doing and can we work together. So I am just saying, if you would want to have those meetings, I am very happy to do that and give the information of what what we’re doing on a metro vision level. Thank you.

Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez.

Thank you very badly. This is also to reference the pie chart about the inventory for greenhouse gases. I think it shows specifically that there is some logic behind the madness if you will as far as pushing PR pa Towards the 100% renewables, because it shows that if we go straight to mass electrification of our automobiles, or mass electrification of our mechanical units be heating systems in commercial and residential real estate, that it all is, is dependent upon the delivery of the electricity and how that is delivered. And so I definitely think it underscores the necessity for our board members at the PRP level to continue to be pressing towards that hundred percent renewable as fast as possible. And so I think that was very great graphic that was presented, and I thank you for that.

Dr. Waters.

Thanks for coming. I appreciate the report as well. This report connects or is related to item eight l on the consent agenda, right. So I was going to pull that item off with a question that I think probably now is a better time to ask. But my question starts with in the mix of activities that we see here, right, from the electrification to deferring purchase of vehicles and until we have viable electrical electric vehicles, etc. what’s what’s in the report tonight? That wouldn’t be here? Were it not for the Climate Action Task Force? If you were bringing this report, and we hadn’t appointed a task force, what would we be seeing in this report?

Mayor Bagley and Councilmember waters, not 100% sure how to answer that because, you know, the task force is just getting underway. I think what the staff is trying to say is that we absolutely acknowledge and appreciate that. We also believe there are things that we can and should be getting underway with now. And so the biggest impetus for us to be acting, with the sense of urgency that we are is the seven of you, that gave us that Darren clear direction, both on October 9 and again in December. So I am absolutely confident that the task force is going to come out with bigger and greater goals for us all to work on. Our charges in as it is in any crisis is to not sit on our hands and wait for life to

come and I agree and appreciate I appreciate you kind of framing this with the urgency associated with the flood. But but the relationship between that question and anatomy Dell is I have no qualms about engaging the consultant to help move the dial and things we didn’t move the dialogue, but it does beg the question is are we hire and this I same question I raised the last time we talked about this. Are we hiring consultants so that everybody on the staff can continue with the 2020 work plan as it was We bringing in a consultant to pick up, you know what, what these issues are relative or tied back to the task force. Because if that’s the case, I would, I would interpret that as same ol, same ol. And we have a blip, to hire a consultant to address things that pop up right now, as opposed to, we’re going to ask people to make sacrifices. We’re not going to we’re not going to move the dial, the city residents, we’re not going to move the dial if we’re not all willing to make sacrifices. And so, you know, I, I’m certain I haven’t made this the number of or the depth or the significance of sacrifices that I need, or we need to make as a family, although we’re making them in terms of electrification and automobiles and those kinds of things, and composting, etc, etc. all small things. But I think we need to be really explicit how we model to the community, the sacrifices we’re willing to make, in the interest of of a much bigger objective that we’re going to, we probably won’t move the dial on If it’s if it’s no more than symbolic, and that was my concern with a doll, that it looks a little bit like, we’re not giving, we’re bringing in somebody to pick up the the, you know, the ancillary work here. But the sustainability work, which should we should have been doing two generations ago or a generation ago, right. It’s not I don’t want this. I don’t think personally, that should be equated with the urgency associated with a crisis. Not that it’s not important. It’s way longer term in terms of what we should be doing, as opposed to what we need to be doing over the next 12 months and 18 months and 24 months. So it makes sense.

Yes. Can I can I respond just like Mayor Bagley and Councilmember waters. We get that and so when you ask the question, is it business as usual? No. We are changing our 2020 work plans. Again, similar to what we did in the 2013 flood 2013 flood guys, we we pulled back and we did the entire country. program in the city. We pulled back and redid the entire budget going into 2014. So what are we doing now? We are convening a task force across the city of staff in virtually every area and asking, what can you do in your area to immediately have an impact on a reduction of greenhouse gas. Some of it is small, but small, with a multitude adds up to more. And so we appreciate the sense of urgency. We have the capacity and the willingness to do that. And, you know, a sacrifice and I’m sure Bruce, Bruce would tell me he would say we need to get these vehicles replace now because we’re spending money to repair them. And what we’re trying to do is say let’s hold so that we’re not burdened with another gas powered truck. The next 10 years. Let’s, Darren, if we can hold it together. And that means sacrificing a little bit,

we should do that,

in order to make a better call, when we have greater availability of electric vehicles. And even that’s a much bigger issue than just buying electric vehicles. That also means looking at all the infrastructure around the city that makes sure we’re ready to charge them, refuel them, maintain them, it’s the whole laundry list. And so I give a lot of credit to the staff stepping up and saying, we want to be part of making this happen. We want to be strong partners with the task force and with the council. That’s the message

to to revisit this then during the retreat. And you know, one of the things that show up in that, listen, we’re willing to say, we’ve got to find we gotta let go of this and we got to find a Christmas or alternatives.

I think to answer that question many of the things you saw in the presentation in terms of how we’re going to look at our buildings Those are things we’ve been talking about that we’re probably on a longer trajectory. What we’ve done is shorten that trajectory, which is adding work when you talk about then how is this other piece fitting and we’re adding a lot of work and we’re using our internal resources in the consulting resources to absorb that move more quickly.

Councilman, Casper, Christian, sir.

Thank you, Mayor Bagley.

I wanted to ask a question about the powered by you initiative, which I think is wonderful. But I’d like to make a comment to I did tour that facility earlier this year, and I was very, very heartened by the comment of the fellow who was showing me around he said, if the city council had not passed the restoration of the sustainability plan in 2014, we wouldn’t have done this. The truth is that our city staff has been working in Even without that, for a long, long time to bring all these things forward, even without a sustainability plan, but when we did that, and then it was approved in 2015 that started the ball rolling for a lot of this stuff. So we it may not happen, you know, immediately, but as you said, little by little these small changes make a difference. And anyway, the question I was going to ask about those vehicles. were converting methane. But isn’t it still methane? we’re converting it to compress natural gas.

That’s right. And so we’ve got new vehicles that use compressed natural gas instead of diesel. So they are they are using compressed natural gas but instead of us burning that, so right now, methane is produced as part of the wastewater treatment plant byproduct. Yeah, and it is to use a little bit as you use to heat the digester, which is part of the process, but the rest of it is flared off and burned.

So what? What is the byproduct of that it is methane.

It is methane, methane that we’re using to fuel those

trials. Yeah. Okay.

All right. So instead of burning it, flaring it off the wastewater plant, we’re using lists, right?

So it’s renewable. Yeah.

I just think it’s a it’s a wonderful project. Thank you for

doing that. Councillor Martin?

I think I would like to clarify that a little bit, in the sense that there the difference between bio methane even though it’s chemically identical, is that it’s not fossil methane. So instead of taking the methane out of the ground, and it being carbon, detrimental to the planet, it’s carbon neutral because it was methane before it’s going to be methane again, or it’s good. So there’s, there’s no net carbon introduced into the atmosphere. So that’s that’s the benefit of doing that took me a while to get my head around that because I felt don’t burn stuff, you know, but this is better burning.

All right, well done. Thank you. All right, let’s move on to first call public invited to be heard.

All right, let’s go ahead and start with Justin Stober.

Good evening Mayor Bagley council members. Thank you for hearing me tonight and having me up. First off Councilman or Councilmember Peck, just to let you know the background methane levels, typically under about 1900 parts per billion.

And I don’t know what you’re going to say. How did you get addressed the chair I apologize, sir digital council members that well, thanks,

I was just adding typical background methane concentrations are about 1900 parts per billion.


natural gas development, especially in the area of union reservoir creates a significant amount of methane. So that might be a reason that you’re getting significantly higher returns union. But to get to where I’m why I’m here tonight, I’m here as president of the prairie village homeowners association. I’m here specifically to strongly urge you to reject the concept plan change that is agenda item 11. A on the agenda tonight. I have prepared a PowerPoint presentation but understanding my limited time up here, I will save that but I would love to be allowed the pleasure to share that with you. When the time is appropriate. to spoil the surprise I will say again, I’m strongly against said plan change

You know,

just go into my notes. I will say, well, you might not live in my community. I do along with over 360 other families and homeowners. And I will say that this concept plane or plan change is essentially breaking a promise of sorts to our community. And while this development has been being developed and under construction for the last 15 years, you know, there’s a lot of people that have made their home buying decisions based on what the concept was, what the plat said and what was planned and based on what the planning department and the Planning Commission


unanimous why wouldn’t say unanimous I had one vote in my favor, but their approval of this plan change is, in my opinion at porn, and I think that it is wrong for my community. I’d love to give you more information. And again, in my presentation, I have a lot of very nice pictures that I’d like to share with you. And then understanding that I am running low on time. I’m also here to urge the council to consider in stating a an architectural review committee for future developments. Current planning processes do not consider what any new development is actually going to look like in terms of impact to the surrounding area. And I think that that is a big problem. We want to have a unified community. We want to have a diverse community, but at the same time, we don’t want you know, a speckled community where everything is going to think no worries. Thank you.

All right, Michael Seaton

I’m just going to use paper. But anyway, I’m here badly and council Good evening. I would My name is Michael Seaton. I live at 1220 average Street and I drive a school bus for the local district. I would like to make a few comments about RV camping on city streets and in support of jubilees the microphone a little bit so we can hear you from guy said better sorry. I would like to make a few comments about RV camping on city streets and in support of the safe lot concept. I bicycle to work at the bus yard down by Safeway most everyday throughout the year, and have for many years and through other areas of the city. And frequently I’ve seen a wide variety of RVs parked on our city streets. As many times the views of these are unsightly. For example, this morning Long Boston, north of the north side of Boston between Main Street and South Pratt, there were probably about five large RVs and have the same number of personal vehicles, which is okay but one of them had a number of their items behind the RV and strewn on the sidewalk. And there are times when garbage has been left also and that requires the city to pick it up. My understanding is maybe I’m wrong but that the city prevents as a prohibits, excuse me, a campaign on city property. I think if this is correct there should be extended to include RV camping on city property to the present arrangement that is enforced that residents can apparently get a permit to allow an RV to park in front of their house. Have a family member or friend Who is visiting, I think should be continued. But I think an alternative needs to be presented also. And I think that could well be that safe lot concept. And it’s up to council to determine how that would be done. But I just wanted to say that I have support for that concept, because an alternative and needs to be offered to not only those people who are living in RVs, but also those who are living in tents, because it’s our obligation to help them. Thank you.

That’s my

right Michael Uto.

And for whatever it’s worth, this is the first time someone put how they pronounce their name phonetically. So thank you. That’s awesome. Mr. You.

Good evening, Mayor Bagley and members of council. I’m speaking regarding the need for a warm water therapy pool, rehab gym and ideal onsite certified physical therapists and exercise specialists at UC Long’s peak hospital. I have contacted their president Lani Kramer and their advisory board have not heard back from them yet. I hope the council would be willing to explore such a partnership. Each of you should have received materials from kitana justifying the need for such a facility. The materials included numerous times call articles on the need for such a facility and the National cost analysis. Research provided by an ad hoc competitive committee from Boulder. City Council may not be eager to enter into a partnerships with private organizations. Therefore, an alternative option, though not as ideal from a health and wellness perspective, would be adding those facilities to an extended footprint of long record center while I benefited from the warm water therapy pool at long my united hospital bought by santoor. I now go to Centennial pool and use their modestly appointed exercise equipment and the pool. Therefore I’m speaking in behalf of paralysis patients, joint replacement patients and patients with long term disability injuries who cannot tolerate normal temperatures. Long on student athletes rehabbing from injuries would benefit from this as well. Select justifications include a hospital is the safest environment for individuals going through rehab as a time consuming and expensive ambulance ride for critical or catastrophic situations is avoided 94 degree water, warm water buoyancy aids and rehab and recovery time. The UC Long’s because spital has valet parking, which is often essential for Those patients previously mentioned, the Y is exploring building a warm water pool. However, the Y has no valet parking, and limited parking at best. The y includes a young vibrant active membership, which could create a dangerous scenario for individuals with balance and mobility problems. While the Rec Center is not in a hospital setting, it is closer to UC long speak hospital with no railroad track issues coming into play. This is a real issue getting from the Y to both Centaur or lungs peak hospital. Finally, while building a first grade facility is not inexpensive when properly publicized and administered. Hospital Health and Wellness Centers are profitable. And the payback and wellness and mobility of residents will further generate income for local businesses you can have thank you for containing Thank you, sir.

Yes. All right, Rebecca lamb.

Yes, I’m Rebecca lamb I live at 600 Kaufman Street and thank you for having me here. My shirt says I’ve been a part


the age will which has changed names since the early 90s. It began as prestige plus, and so working with the Senior Center and the hospital, the therapy I’ve been able to move around and keep moving and stay up right? For the last, what, 2030 years that I’ve been doing it. And as we met with the children tonight, the sugar. Let’s keep everybody moving. However, with the closing of the poll and the physical gym hardwood for gym, we have to go someplace. Many of the people that I worked with, exercised with we’ve been to the places that we have around here, but the accessibility to keep us moving. We’re not finding and so I agree with what you just said. What can we do? Let’s keep it going. And let’s keep blonde Mark aging. Well thank you very much.

Thank you Miss lamb, James Kenworthy.

James can wear the 107 Kirby place. My cameras have to do with their residential Metro special text districts. The Corporation’s of the world’s business tied up in a sack, Facebook, Google, Amazon, the Koch brothers and so forth, and making money so fast that Scrooge McDuck would be green with envy. But of course, that’s not enough. They always want more. The next source of income for the corporations is the taxpayers pocket. Imagine an octopus with his tentacles on your bank account. We already have five city buildings that are collateral in case the male male of the mall goes away. bankrupt. The rich and powerful have declared financial war on the rest of us. We’re not supposed to know that. Finance. Yeah, we’re not the, you know, corporate media. Financial war is a worldwide process. This little brush fire in Longmont is a small battle in the giant scheme. How many staff members will the city have to hire to babysit this case by case process of creating special text districts? What would be their qualifications? How much will they earn? Who will pay Jill and Joe citizen? How will you legislate honesty? How How will you legislate away greed? You can’t? How many weeks have you used up debating this issue? One of the city council members have used up a lot of time and your arguments. Some of your arguments are less than convincing. You mentioned the 90 10th Access rate of decent students, no matter about the numbers, somehow you apply that rate to special tech districts. that violates the chain of reasoning. One group is young students, the other group is

a group of subdivisions. They don’t relate.

You believe we can’t think please stop insulting us with that kind of talk. Time is short. I was going to remind you of the what we’re all facing. But I don’t have to. You’ve already heard it. It will be interesting to see who votes for these special text districts to have you got elected, what, two years ago? And you did so by acting like you veil like you value the interests of the people. Apparently you don’t. Trust is fragile. Thank you for listening.

James Nielsen

James Nielsen to seven to seven Nelson road.

I’m here tonight Just to make sure everybody understands there’s a lot of talk about the environment and great concern for the environment rights, rightly so. I wanted to just make sure everybody’s aware of one aspect of the drinking water fluoridation of the company that fluoride that’s put into drinking water here. The company is named prey on their base, their headquarters is in Belgium. And there’s a plant there’s a fost, it’s a phosphate fertilizer company. They have a plant in Atlanta in Georgia, I forgot the name of the town in Georgia. But this plant in Georgia, it’s a phosphate fertilizer plant. They are required by that when they’re processing the fertilizer. They’re required by the EP Ja to scrub out the fluoride because the fluoride is a toxin, it’s a hazard to the environment it’s not allowed to be released into the environment. So this this fluoride is is scrubbed from the smokestacks as required by the EPA I apologize horrible public speaker I get nervous I apologize great. scrubbed from the smokestacks into liquid form called for silica hydro floor slick acid, that asset acid is in processed into powder form and cozy and that creates the bags of fluoride that’s used here in Longmont to put into the water. So the point I wanted to make is what doesn’t accumulate in your body because it’s actually a bio accumulative poison where were ingested over miniscule amounts over time accumulates in your body and is known cause harm at uncontrolled bounce and who’s controlling the amounts of fluoride ingested? Nobody. The concentration of point seven parts per million is not a dosage. It’s a not whoever told anybody how much fluoride to drink, how much fluoridated water to drink in a day. So, but my point is about the environment. What doesn’t accumulate in your children’s bodies in your children’s fast growing bones, goes down the drain and gets into the environment. That’s the point I wanted to make. So it’s it’s toxic waste that’s put in the water. It’s alive that it’s good to good for your teeth. And

it gets into the environment. So

thank you, Mr. Nelson.

shrim away

Good evening Mayor Bagley and members of console Streamlight 2113 range view lane.

I have some remarks But first, I want to express my appreciation and wholehearted support of eight q the resolution continuing expressing support for continued welcoming of the resettlement of refugees. So, to my remarks, I’d like to talk about the Rift and this council you’re all painfully aware of. I may be wrong, but I suspect none of you are enjoying your roles on council right now, and are not feeling very good or hopeful about the future. The good news is that feeling crappy about the state of things means you care. That’s a very good starting point. If we let it, pain can pierce and open our hurts. I’d like to read something that has helped me quite a lot when I get pissed off and angry with you. I know you’re all aware I’m quite capable of doing. This is the, the parable of the prickly porcupine. As it begins, it was the coldest winter ever, and many animals died because of the cold. The porcupines realizing this situation decided to group together. This way they covered and protected themselves. But the close of each was each one wounded their closest companions, even though they shared their heat with each other. After a while, they decided to distance themselves, one from the other to stop being wounded. As they did this, they began to die, alone and frozen. So they had to make a choice. either accept the quills of their companions, or disappear from the earth. wisely they decided to go back to being together. This way they learned to live with the little wounds that were caused by the relationship with their companions but the most important part about It was that the heat that came from the others was the heat that came from the others that enabled them to survive the coldest winter ever. So

we’re facing the coldest winter ever. Thank you

love stories. Thank you Miss boy

de Waterbury.

Good evening mayor, Bagley and council members.

You just don’t get that right up there.

Right up there, right up there. All right,

gay Waterbury, 7264 Meadow Dale drive.

I just want to add my voice in support of resolution 2020 dash 10.

And, even closer, I’m sorry,

I have kind of a soft voice. I’m here to add my voice in support of resolution Resolution 2020 dash 10 to continue the program for initial resettlement of refugees in Longmont. Over the past few years, I have met quite a few individuals who have been dramatically uprooted from their communities due to war, or due to threats against their lives or the safety of their families and have been forced to seek sanctuary elsewhere. I believe we need to stay aware of their plight and to extend to these many fellow humans who are suffering in this way, our continued support and compassion for them as they begin to put their lives back together here in the United States. So thank you for considering that and extending that resolution.

Thank you.

Scott Stewart.

Mayor Bagley councilmembers Good to see you all again.

Scott store tonight Grant Street here in Longmont. I’ve lived in Longmont for about 20 years you know, even with our porcupine issues and what have you, it’s still a great place to live and, you know, if not here, then where and I gotta tell you, there is no other way or this is this is really it. Um, I I’d like to start by saying, you know, thank you for all the attention to the quality of life within Longmont. I’ve spoken about quality of life before. The Climate Action Plan is dynamite. I noticed there was an omission of the airport within with our particular airport within that report or that presentation. And my thought process with the airport is We got a beautiful airport we got people that love it, how do we create an airport that is not a greater impact on the climate? And how do we move forward with it and I think there is a plan for the airport to not go away. And for, for us to carry on. Part of that is the funding of the airport in the air and you’re about to do a first reading approval of a of another lease at the airport. And I’ll bring this up again, and I brought it up in the past. We’re renewing lease at the airport for a hangar that’s already built. And the lease rate that we’re applying to this renewal is a lease rate for land to construct improvements upon. I’d like to ask council to direct the airport advisory board to review the policies and procedures so that the airport can actually be funded appropriately and basically get more money. The cut rate that we have and I think we’re what second lowest on the front range as far as the rate in which we charge in order to build improvements. We’re applying that to an existing structure and redoing, redoing a 20 year term lease at a rate that was meant to


building at the airport, if, if you guys could just advise the advisory board because they take your direction to look into this matter and how can we create efficiencies at the airport so I can optimize the amount of revenue coming in and it can continue to be self supporting and what have you and not have to do you know, those special little requests like discounts on fees that the city charges. I appreciate it and it’s good to see you all again.

Thank you that McLain.

Mayor Begley and city council. My name is Lynette McLean and I’m live at 763

point drive.

I just want I wanted to thank you so much for the study session. Last week I learned so much about Metro districts and I really was glad to hear all the information both sides I really appreciate that. I wanted to first before I start announced that we have an event happening as what’s in our air the path of clean air in Longmont, and it’s this Thursday night at sunset Middle School 630 at night, and we’re going to have Detlef Helmick, tell us what’s happening, share his data with us and then we’re going to hear from Senator Mike foot and Representative Joe Salazar about what they’re doing to help us clean our air in Longmont so it’ll really be a it’s going to be a good night and I hope you to see you there and I hope it is You, you invite people to come January 16, Thursday 630 to 830 at sunset Middle School. I wanted to just talk a little bit more about Metro districts, I really felt like it solidified. The information I got really solidified my feelings even more. Residential Metro districts are a tool that’s extremely flawed. And they are doing development on the backs of our constituents. And I hear you talking a lot about equating library districts Arts and Cultural Affairs districts, preschool districts to Metro districts, and they’re very different from what I’m hearing they are for everyone. And they’re going to be voted on by the people. Whereas Metro districts are not for everyone. They’re exclusive. They’re only for wealthy people. And they have to lift On the pig, vet homes, you know, and sounds like things like that, that you throw in the metro districts to make them look good. But really, the workforce people that you’re talking about are six figure workforce people. They’re not this the 20 to 60% people who really need affordable housing. And you know, they can’t they aren’t, they aren’t affordable housing. They aren’t they don’t address affordability. They don’t address the homelessness. And I’m not suggesting that they should, because they inclusionary zoning ordinance with the waivers and subsidies already give a path to building affordable housing. So I think we should stop talking about affordable housing. And we’re going to talk about Metro districts. They just they don’t address that. They’re set up by the developers who stand again, personally and all the people we heard we saw here last week, were people who were being paid or were benefiting financially from Metro districts. You saw the lady that was the attorney when she left she took 10 people I’m sure they were all being paid by the metro district. So they’re extremely expensive. They take a lot of monitoring modification is very, very difficult to change them to, to regulate them and I, I saw the list of Java developers were telling us is that they’re very, very complicated and complex, more complex and and the council can be the staff. And, you know, nobody’s gonna want to be on a board that does that.

Right, Ruby Bowman,

Ruby Bowman 1512 left hand dry. I would like to follow up on a point from December 17 meeting at the December 17. City Council meeting, Mayor Bagley disputed a bullet point of the citizen complaint regarding his behavior. The last bullet point stated in part that Mayor Bagley covered the cost of the cheney core request, and it said a bad precedent. In response may or badly stated, quote, I paid for my own core requests. I didn’t pay for Miss cheney’s unquote. I checked out the mayor’s comments and found that times call reporter john fryer accurately reported the facts regarding mailbag lease payment of the core requests. In the December 4 times call article titled Longmont council divided on record records requests for personal emails. Quote cheney will not have to pay the $1,350 before the clerk’s office can resume it’s more thorough examinations pecs and Christian since emails on Tuesday night Bagley gay Quinta his personal check to cover that expense and quote the mayor used a Bagley law firm check number three, six to nine To pay for the cheney requests on December 3, the city staff confirmed this transaction to me and considers the Bagley law firm check as payment as as as payment for Miss Miss cheney’s core requests. On the following day Wednesday, December 4. Mayor Bagley submitted his own Cora request copying the language on this Chinese request. And according to city staff, Mayor Bagley was not required to pay for his December 4 court request, because he had already paid for the Chaney Cora the night before. Contrary to what Mayor Bagley said at the City Council meeting, he paid for the cheney Cora requests and it’s important for the mayor to get the facts straight. Mayor Bagley should also be transparent and disclosing whether the Bagley law firm is ready Sending a client in this matter. The public has the right to know if Mayor Bagley has a conflict of interest. Thank you. He was rolling.

For Wilson.

Good evening, members of city council. It’s an honor to be here with you tonight and it feels apt.

People are pointing at their ears, which means you need to get right in there.

One speaker Oh, I thought you meant they’re pointing out No, no, no their

ears, their ears.

Opening on the record yours.

Okay, thank you. I’m getting over a cold, something a little congested. I’m

Jennifer Wilson.

Thank you. We’ll start again. Good evening, Mayor Bagley and members of city council. It’s an honor to be here with you this evening. I am not a resident of Longmont. I am here Tonight on behalf of the International Rescue Committee, a resettlement agency that operates in the state of Colorado, as well as our two colleague agencies, the Ethiopian Community Development Councils, African community center, and Lutheran Family Services, Rocky Mountains, feels apt to be here tonight when you have proclaimed this week or today the star of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Week, and I’m here to ask for your support for resolution our 20 2010. I do want to make a disclaimer that I’m here tonight to talk to you about executive order 13888. However, my communication with you about this, and no way endorses the legality of that executive order. So I’m here tonight because we do have new requirements around consultation with local governments have not been here before not out of a desire not to engage with you or to be engaged in dialogue with your community. but rather because in years past, since the passage of the Refugee Act of 1980, we’ve had no such requirement to obtain written consent from local governments. Rather, we’ve had a threshold wherein if we resettle 25 or more refugees in the community and any given federal fiscal year, we would engage very rigorously with elected officials, with agencies in that community to really talk about what the impact of refugees might be on that community how we could work in partnership, and how we could ensure that resettlement continues to be a beneficial prospect for that community. So now, when we are looking at this need for local consent, we would appreciate your support, I think it’s really important to understand that Longmont is not nor has it ever been a big destination for refugees. However, there are refugees who reside in their community. They weren’t necessarily placed here initially, but much like your other residents found that it was a very appealing place to be a place where they could envision themselves and their families, building the future safe from persecution, free from harm, and was opportunity to thrive and see their children thrive. So as we look at federal fiscal year 2020, which we are now in and we look at historically low admissions levels for the refugee program, we don’t expect anything to change with local consent. We don’t expect numbers of refugees to go up for a long month. However, we do expect that if you were to pass this resolution that businesses usual would continue, really and not passing it that would be a departure from what the norm has been. I do want to underscore for those of you who may not see participation in refugee resettlement as a humanitarian imperative, that there are also well documented economic benefits. In fact, the Colorado Department of Human Services published a study in 2017 that was conducted with a reputable economic impact firm ICF and it did explore the impact of refugees looking at the costs as well as the benefits and found that for every dollar invested in refugees $1 and 23 cents in state and local tax revenue is returned $1 and 64 cents and local economic activity results. In addition, those areas with the highest concentrations of refugees, saw on par number of businesses establishments, number of payroll employees and total payroll earnings, suggesting that refugees contribute to the shared prosperity of their communities. Thank you for your consideration of this resolution tonight and stand ready to work in partnership with you and answer any questions that you may have.

Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. All right.

Kyle Henderson.

Good evening Mayor Bagley and council and will self conscious about people looking at my rear now but we’ll hopefully get through this. I’m here to talk tonight about the pepper neighborhood concept plan amendment that’s on your general business agenda this evening. I’m the developer with dhf communities of the seven acre parcel that will be discussed this evening. I want to let you know that I’m here and available if you have any questions. There’s a long history with this development starting in 1999. That’s what we’re talking about tonight is the concept plan that was approved back in 1990. And we have a 20 year history. That’s everything from four acres of land that was donated to the city of Longmont for affordable housing and then became the housing to the Housing Authority, which then became 120 units of senior affordable that’s been built in the neighborhood. And this is the final seven acres of this development over the last 20 years. So we’re excited to finally complete the neighborhood. We’ve been working on this since May 2017. And we’re feel like we’re pretty close to the finish line and excited to finally make that happen. But like I said, there’s a long history of how we got here. So I’m here if you have any questions as things come up, as you discuss it tonight, if you have any questions, thank you.

Right. Thank you.

All right. It’s been an hour and a half was quitting take a five minute break. We don’t mind.

Anybody object. Alright, great. Let’s take five

All right, let’s go ahead and get started again.

That was just a call. We’re no rush.

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look pretty good. All right, roll back. Let’s go ahead and move forward with the consent agenda. A clerk cantata. Could you please read this for us?

Yes, sir. I do as ordinance to 20 2002 a bill for an ordinance amending chapter 1405 of the Longmont municipal code regarding raw water requirement policy, public hearing and second reading scheduled for January 28 2028. vs ordinance 2023. A bill for an ordinance approving land use amendments to the Envision long map multimodal and comprehensive plan for housekeeping amendments. public hearing and second reading scheduled for January 28 2028. See is ordinance 2024 bill for an ordinance designating Barbara nicholae home located at 719 Atwood street as a local historic landmark public hearing and second Reading scheduled for January 28 2028. d is ordinance 20 2005. A bill for an ordinance conditionally approving the vacation of a 20 foot wide drainage outfall easement located on lot two of block one and the JM Smucker LLC plant subdivision, generally located north of highway 119 and west of Pinnacle Street, public hearing and second reading scheduled for January 28 2028. Is ordinance 20 2006. A bill for an ordinance authorizing the city of lamarque to lease the Real Property known as Vance brand Municipal Airport hangar parcel age 61. To James F. Duca public hearing and second reading scheduled for January 2028. f is resolution 2021 a resolution of the lung month city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and the state of Colorado for grant funding for the design of state highway 66. improvements. ag is resolution 20 2002 a resolution along with City Council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and town of James town for the reallocation of Community Development Block Grant disaster. Recovery events from Jamestown to the city ages resolution 2023. a resolution of Long White City Council adopting the city of Long Island Emergency Operations Plan. Eight is resolution 2024. Resolution along with City Council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and the city of Colorado Springs for an internet crimes against children program grant offered through the US Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs. Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency program. Eight j is resolution 2025 a resolution in Longmont city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and victim assistance and law enforcement board of the 20th judicial district for grant funding for victim services. Eight K is resolution 20 2006. a resolution of Long White City Council approving the community incentive incentive program agreement between the city and the Colorado Community Health Alliance for funding from the community incentive program to support Public Safety’s project to identify more effective ways to respond to behavioral health issues in its community as well as Resolution 20 2007 resolution of lamotte City Council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and Colorado State University for equitable Climate Action Planning facilitation. Eight M is resolution 2028 resolution as Longmont city council approving an amendment to an intergovernmental agreement between Boulder County and city of lamarque. Concerning boulder County’s environmental sustainability matching grant program, it is resolution 20 2009. a resolution along with City Council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and the Regional Transportation district for employee eco passes for 2028 Oh is resolution 20 2010 a resolution of Lamont city council consenting to continue to initial resettlement of refetch refugees, Longmont, Colorado, and eight p is approved the 2020 city council retreat agenda.

All right, thank you.

All right. Can we provide like the pole Oh,

if that’s okay. Councilmember Christianson

in addition to Oh, I would Like to pull your poll G and P and just for comments.

Mostly P and P. Okay. Customer pack.

I would like to pull a.


So you know, what else do we have a motion for the consent agenda less a G GO in P. I would move the consent agenda, as I stated, right it was seconded by Dr. Waters. Let’s vote.

Right that. Dr. Waters. Right that passes unanimously.

All right. Let’s go on to ordinances on second reading and public hearings on the matter first nine eight ordinance to ordinance 2021 a bill for an ordinance repealing and reenacting of chapter 14.26 along with municipal code on stormwater quality. Are there any questions from council? Any presentation by staff? Seeing none, let’s go ahead and open the public hearing on ordinance 2021 anyone like to speak? All right, see, no one was quite close the public hearing, Dr. emotion or passage of ordinance 2021. All right. Dr. Waters moved approval. Counselor repect seconded that. Let’s go.

Mayor Pro Tem.

All right, that passes unanimously. All right. Let’s move on to the items removed from the consent agenda. Let’s go ahead and just move through. Let’s start with a Councilmember pack. I believe you pulled that.

Thank you, Mayor. Yes, I just have a couple of questions. First of all, when we get cash in lieu of storm, what do we do with that cash flow? Where does it go?

Mayor Bagley and city council Dale Rademacher deputy city manager, the cash in lieu that we receive at time of final planning goes into the water acquisition fund.

That’s right. You’ve told me that before. So if we rebate that, how does that affect our water acquisition fund? because the whole point of getting it is to be able to acquire water.

Exactly. And thank you for the question. The strategy, if you will, that we are bringing forth for you to consider is one that sort of dates back to 2012. When we did the water demand and in supply study at that time, we realized at that time that the city’s water utility is one of the biggest assets that the city has, and it could be an asset if council so chooses to use in order to advance other city interests and initiatives. You may recall last year, you passed a similar ordinance in order to defer those water deficit It’s for affordable housing projects, again in order to support and promote another key city initiative of affordable housing. The issue before you denied is whether or not to extend that to economic development incentives. And so the the math, if you will, to consider, and we sort of mentioned that in the fiscal impact note on the ordinance is one that we believe there’s additional financial gain to the city in order to leverage its water supply prudently to drive other city initiatives that you’re trying to achieve. And so we try not to look at it as a dollars not coming in. It’s really dollars deferred into water supply, but we believe that we have a sufficient supply of water that you can again in limbo It situations utilize that particular asset of the city to to advance those other actions that you believe to be important. And, and so sort of put it in dollars and cents. The current cash in lieu is let’s say it’s $15,000. I know it’s probably a little bit more than that. So that would be dollars if you want to look at that way, not coming into your acquisition fund. And so obviously, if you’re going to exercise this particular strategy, you’d want to be assured that the benefits been derived, are far greater than that to the overall community. And again, they may or may not accrue to that specific restricted fund. They may accrue for instance, back to your general fund. And so, again, it’s just a strategy. It’s one that council will have to make a decision on again, bye ordinance, anytime you want to exercise that, there’s been a set aside up to about 1200 acre feet of water, I highly doubt will ever use that full amount. But it is one of the strengths of the community to decide whether or not you want to leverage it that way.

So I always look at when we do things like this as as an investment in our city rather than as a detriment. But I think you answered my question because the other part was, who is going to monitor this that only 400 acre feet goes to affordable housing and not the whole 500 acre feet?

is do you

monitor that? Absolutely. We will, we will absolutely be tracking that. That’ll be in front of the council every time you’re making a decision. And similarly, I I would doubt that we’re going to need that entire amount. And so staff is always going to recommend that you be very prudent in making these decisions and very sort of judicious and so that’s why it is being structured in such a way that it’s only the city council that can make that decision. And you can only make it by ordinance. In other words, you have to have a public hearing, you have to take public comment on it each and every time you want to exercise that particular strategy.

So I’m wondering, Dale, and this is out of ignorance on my part in this ordinance because councils change, would it be prudent or it has it ever been done that you actually put the amount of the set aside raw water in the ordinance so that so that when we’re reading it, as you retire, the next person knows exactly what it is? That has been set aside? Because sometimes when I read the ordinance, it isn’t very different. elde about what it is we’re looking at.

So Mayor Bagley and Councilmember pack I think you’re exactly right. And so what you’re doing tonight is you’re really putting together and putting into play if you choose to move forward on it, the ability to exercise this particular strategy. We haven’t done it yet. Okay. So when that economic development incentive, let’s say, one comes forward, in that process, when you were approving those development agreements, it would be very specified in there. It’ll say a certain amount of Baker feet X amount of Baker feet being offset out of this allocation that has been set aside via this particular ordinance. Same for affordable housing, as it would be for an economic development incentive.

Okay, thank you that answered it

more specific. So we know it’s a finite amount as established in the policy. So we will start essentially with the spreadsheet saying, here’s the cash Okay, and then anytime this would be utilized by Council, we would put a, okay, we’re going to reduce it by 200. And then you’ll see that rolling cap because we have to monitor that in compliance with a water policy.

Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

Councilmember Christiansen

just just to be double Sure. So each time we approved this, it would have to be approved on a case by case basis each time.

Exactly. And by ordinance ordinance,


thank you.

All right. Dr.

Councillor pack? Would you like to make a motion regarding a ordinance? 2022.

Yes, thank you. I move eight a dash.

What is it? 20 2002 2020

dash. Oh two. I will second that. I was Moved by Councillor packets seconded by Councilmember Martin. Right. Right. Just couldn’t I just heard a second off the left. All right. Let’s vote.

We’re back. All right that passes unanimously.

Councilmember Christian said I believe you pulled eight g resolution 2020 desco, to a resolution to the Walmart city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and town of Jamestown for the relocation of Community Development Block Grant disaster recovery funds from jealous down to the city.

Good. Thank you, Mayor pigley. I just wanted to say thank you to James town and thank you to our staff. It’s this is an excellent example of how governments can cooperate and this wouldn’t have been possible without the excellence of our staff in taking care of, of the FEMA grants. And they’re the expertise they developed on that. And that’s the people of Jamestown are very, very thrifty. So if they have money leftover willing to give it to us and exchange for our expertise. That’s an excellent trade. The mayor of Jamestown told me last month that he had taken on a new role as a grave digger, so he’s, you know, multitasker.


I think that’s a terrific exchange. Thank you. And I would move resolution 20 2002

was Moved by Councillor Christiansen and seconded by Councillor pack. Mayor Pro Tem.

Thank you, Mr. Bagley. I just want to give a special shout out to Peter Givens, fellow alumnus and classmate of mine and he’s done a great job with the management administration of all the FEMA and funding that’s that’s gone on throughout the whole process with the resiliency and rain project. So thank you specifically to Mr. Givens.

feel the love,

feel the love. All right. Let’s go and vote.

passes unanimously. All right.

I pulled eight oh, resolution 2020 dash 10. And when I originally put this on the agenda. The reason is because the United States up until 2017, has been the world’s leader in protecting and welcoming refugees. Republican President Ford did it. Democratic President Kennedy did it. Carter did it. Reagan did it. Bush did it. Clinton did it. Even George W. Bush allowed 70,000 and, and we got up 210 and then recently went down to 18,000. But that’s not what this is about. This is simply about. It’s not about people showing up at our doorstep and asking for asylum. These are literally people that have been displaced from their homes who are suffering persecution and violence and If people do not step up to help, they will die. And so the executive order that was issued by our president stated that in order to help we have to do this, I want to help. I believe we should help. And I don’t think that we’re gonna have anybody opposed to this but at least not on this council. And I think that it’s just important that we step up and do our part. So I actually move ordinance or resolution 2020 dash 10 Okay, it was moved by myself and it was seconded by Dr. Waters, but we have people in the queue Councilmember Christiansen

Thank you Mayor Bagley. I yeah, I would hope we wouldn’t have anybody opposed to this. I wanted to thank the people who brought this forward to our attention December 17, Suzanne briand Julia McMillan and for to Jennifer Wilson for explaining that. This never used to be necessary because We weren’t required to accept this and, and to Governor Paul’s who initiated this, this, this on a statewide basis. And I would also like to point out that as a child, I lived around refugees from all over Europe and New Jersey. And because my father was from Europe, I got to know all of these people, they were all very hard working. And if we look at the benefits in Colorado, the entire ski industry was really started by starving by Norwegians who came to this country because they were starving in Norway. And then it was really upped after the Second World War by Austrian refugees. So that has been an enormous economic benefit to the state of Colorado. And it’s just an example of how hard working and innovative people are when they they get a chance to live a life where they have some choice. So I think this is terrific that we all have that we’re all on board with this.

That’s where Martin

Thank you. I’d like to add a little bit of meaning to this. My specialty on this council has not been Human Services. It has been energy and climate. And with that, I think I know that what we can expect is to have unexpected conditions in this world in the future. And I hope that the settlement of refugees here in Longmont will in fact increase because we’ve drawn attention to ourselves as a welcoming place. And I hope that when that happens, it will soften our hearts Because if our climate stays temperate here, and this remains a habitable place, then we’re going to have a lot more. And we had better become a welcoming people who loves the stranger, as in almost every religion I can think of we are commanded to do.


we should also remember

that we don’t know what to expect, and that we could be the refugees, the people, we could have refugees from Nebraska, we almost did.


I’m really grateful for this chance to affirm our commitment to the people in distress and let’s all remember that we are all in this together. That’s all I have to say about it.

Else remember you toggle fairing?

Thank you, Mayor.

So I really want to emphasize I think, what Jennifer from the resettlement center Jennifer Wilson had stated she she best explained in a nutshell what why we are working to bring forth this ordinance or resolution I’m sorry. And it is your last fall, our collective body of educators from the National Education Association, Hispanic Caucus, we looked at some of the just some of the outcomes that could happen, especially if a mayor does approve that, yes, will will accept refugees but different communities within cities within the state, oppose of it. It’s just going to create this chaotic misaligned patchwork of laws and procedures that are going to be very difficult for the people for the community as a whole. So I’m very happy that Governor polis had stated his support and that we are going down the line of continuing to service our refugee population. Over the years I have had refugee students in my classroom. It is not uncommon, and it’s not a large group of people, but they do need to be protected. So yes, I am in support of this resolution. Thank you for bringing it forward.

All right, squat and vote.

That’s where Martin,

thank you. All right.

That passes unanimously.

All right. Councilmember Christiansen I believe you pulled the approval of the 2020 city council retreat agenda.


I am. Realize that we set a date for this. But for many, many, many, many years, I have gone to the Chinese New Year celebration and read a new who started this many years ago has requested that perhaps we could change the date to the Friday and I would like us to consider that because it really it kind of knocks the teeth out of her celebration of Chinese New Year which for many years, all them almost all the members of City Council have gone to and I would just like us to consider that. changing it to Friday. One of the commotion. Okay, I move that we consider moving The date of the retreat to


instead of Saturday. Oh, I’m sorry, February 7, instead of February 8

friendly amendment rather than consider Can we just remove the word consider and change it to the seventh?

friendly amendment to your motion?

Okay. Well,

then we can discuss I

actually I think it’d be good to ask Sandy how much trouble this would be?

How much trouble would it be Sandy? And by the way, it was also there was a motion made and it was seconded by Councilmember Peck. Right or council Martin? Sorry, Councillor Martin.

Okay, here we go. Mayor, members of council Sandy cedar assistant city manager. You know, the event doesn’t actually start until two o’clock you could split your time as well. We don’t have any guest speakers or anything. It really is staff time. So I don’t anticipate that it would be an issue if you decided to do it either on Friday or to split it between the two. I think either way I think the concern really was for Councilmember Hidalgo fairing it was to whether that would be an issue of school. Yeah, school. So I would I guess I would defer to that. But from a staff perspective, either way is fine. Okay.

Well, then I would defer to Yeah.

Councilmember. Councilmember offerings. Let’s hear from you. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Yeah. So actually I was going to bring this forward to ask since the consideration was made to accommodate my schedule, but in light of it the conflicting time, I am totally okay. Taking that day. I have my my annual leave accrued. I have the days so I am willing to take a day on Friday. So we can be in attendance on Saturday.

What time of you if you don’t what time you out of school?


Well, but the final bell rings at 350 and then you get stuff

and I have stuff I never get out. Like 430. Maybe. You sure about that?


On a scale of one 100 100 being like I’m totally for it one being I’m totally against it. Where are you at is like an 89 and 99 I

love 99.5 I am okay, I’m totally okay and

all right, yes. So there’s a can we can we just by consensus agree to put it on Friday so we can go to the New Year celebration,

like waters.

That’s my back. Alright, so let’s go ahead and change it till Friday.

So Mayor just I’ll double check on the venue but I did want to just note that the agenda venue has changed since the one that’s in your packet and the the waste services center conference from looks like it will be open and ready for you at the cng facility and so we will be holding it there assuming that there will be okay with us being there a day early.

We services Conference Center. Okay.

Mayor portsmen Rodriguez.

Thank you very badly. So I am the newly appointed liaison to the parks and rec room. advisory board. As they met last night, they were reviewing the results of the 2019 election concerning the competitive pool and ice rink facility. outside of their thoughts on why the results were what they were, they were anxious to move forward, because in their opinion, continuing to consider recreation facilities for a community of this size is important, at least in their opinion. And they were very concerned with what the temperature of council is concerning this because we hold a lot of the, say, purse strings and things like that when it comes to this. So what they’re really looking for is for us to possibly include a conversation in our retreat, which I think could very easily work into the 2019 work planning at 10:15am according to the current draft agenda, where it talks about what we would Can we celebrate? What have we accomplished? Is this complete? What is the plan moving forward? So my motion would be to include a conversation about councils thoughts about moving forward with allowing crab to, or just councils, thoughts on moving forward with either a new facility of some sort or where we stand out as a vision concept. And so my motion would be to include that in that particular part of the agenda.

All right, there was a motion made to include a discussion in the retreated and specifically taught to talk about recreational facilities in what direction we should give to the board and that was seconded by Councilmember Martin. Martin.

Thank you, Mayor Bagley. I’ve been giving a lot of thought to this. I was a convert supporter of the pool a nice ballot measure. And I still strongly feel that the city is under supplied with public recreation facilities. And I think we need two things, we need to immediately begin planning on something that is a better fit for the city than that proposal was. Because I think that the the form it took was maybe 60 or 70% of the reason why it was voted down when maybe another facility would have passed. And I think that the rest of it was probably in the way that we failed to communicate exactly what this the the facility really was. I know a lot of the constituents I spoke to thought it was nothing but a skating rink and Olympic pool, that would always be rented out. So we have two things to look at, we need to look at what really the best fit for this city is that will bring us closer to the norm in terms of recreational facilities for a city our size. And also we need to understand where we fell short in terms of communicating to the people and those are both matters for the council to discuss.

Customer Christianson

in light of the interest and not just the two people who spoke here, but many community members that I’ve heard from in light of the interest of warm water pool for therapy, which that was the last that the only one in the county. We might be discussing that as a part of a recreation center which would be appealing to a lot of people in this city and a lot of people People maybe from outside of this city,

Park waters.

The idea of

organizing some conversation around this, I think is a good one.

Frankly, I personally had been had asked, I’ve asked the mayor and asked the city manager in the weeks after the election, has anybody sat down and engage in any kind of an after action review? So we could capture what there was to learn. I don’t know that that’s happened. Certainly I haven’t been involved in it. And I would assume other council members have not. So if we’re going to add that, I think I’d like to have some idea of how we’re going to spend the time. And I don’t want to I don’t want to get in the weeds. But for me, personally, it’s not going to be a use a good use of my time to start diving into solutions if we don’t start with understanding what there is to learn from what we did well and what we didn’t do well. in the run up to the November ballot. So I’m down with with we get, in fact, we could probably clear the decks of anything else. That conversation alone if we did a serious after action where you could, can occupy all the time. But if we’re going to spend our time on it, I’d like to spend it in a way that’s going to produce something meaningful in terms of moving forward. And not just a not just a casual conversation. That’s not what you were suggesting. I know. So. So if we haven’t, if we haven’t done that kind of work ahead of time. I don’t know how we would be involved between now and then. But it seems to me that that’s where we ought to start with.

Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez,

thank you very badly. I do believe that

purab has a specific, I guess, direction that they want to pursue, but they don’t want to go to the trouble of pursuing it. If there is no appetite for the council to to also pursue or Support purab in pursuing and that’s just a point of information as far as saying, you know that they actually do want to open it up to say, public input as far as what kind of facility the public’s truly looking for, as well as talking about site selection and things along those lines. Because they felt like some of those were some of the shortcomings with the the previous proposal and ballot initiative. And so they do have specific ideas. They just don’t want, as I said, to continue down that line of thought if the city council is not interested in pursuing something along those lines, and I guess I was willing to go more into those specifics if if the council is willing to have this conversation.

Customer Martin.

I think that these remarks are all getting to the same thing. What we should be looking at, for the retreat is at least the beginning of an after action review where We identify what the problems were both with this proposal and with the way this is we approached promoting the proposal on and that that could end with some light direction to preb about what they should pursue in more detail. So I think we would all be happy with a discussion like that

nobody’s left in the queue is my only thought is the part of the after action review. I would like I mean, there’s some there’s some pretty vocal. There’s there’s groups in town that provide opposition or support for certain issues. I’d like to know what they think before we start, because yeah, I don’t want to I don’t want to go down this path personally, unless those groups are actually on board. Customer back.

I know that. Thank you, Mayor. I know that this would be a lot of work for staff to try to figure out a survey or something before our retreat? Would it be possible to throw up on engage Longmont without hiring someone to do a survey or just just anecdotally, basically to say, what were your concerns about that initiative that was on the ballot? It wouldn’t be a professional survey. And we don’t have time or money for that anyway. But it would be interesting to hear what and and we can ask people to go out there and put out their Yeah, their thoughts. We all have email lists. We can all ask people to go out and take that survey.

Councilmember Christiansen

I think it might be useful to read the comments that were already surveyed several years ago and before this and see what people were actually what they actually want. And we still have that available. So that would be useful to look at again.

Right, there’s motion to discuss this and put it on the council.


Let’s vote.


Right, that passes unanimously. So,

so mayor, just to be clear, the public outreach piece won’t probably be finalized before the retreat, but you all would just like to debrief basic whether or

not we’re we’re

Councilmember Yago fairing.

So this is more of what a point of personal privilege questions. So in

the agenda,

lost my page, where we’re talking about our work plan. Is that the time where we’ll be allowed to bring up new ideas or suggestions of what we want? Or do we need to put on the agenda here tonight, what we want to discuss

there? I think the agenda as I read

it, it’s pretty open. It seemed like it was open, I just want to make sure

making sure that our most vulnerable residents of the I mean, every every I mean, I could not imagine if you had an idea that it’s not going to come up, you’re not going to be limited that we’re not following Robert’s Rules for attending. It’s going to be an open discussion. Okay. Feel free to bring it up.

I’ll do that then.

If you’ve got but if it’s a big topic, like, hey, do we want to build an ice rink? We should probably prepare for it now.

No, no, I so my suggestion was to discuss the idea. So the city of Boulder has a Human Relations Commission. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it. And so really it when I look at what their tasks are, it’s very similar to the work I’ve done with the Colorado Education Association Equity Council. Which was formerly the ethnic minority Advisory Council. And it really not just addressing the issues of diversity in a community, or in my case it was dealing with public schools, but looking at issues of human and civil rights, and how they pertain in policy that we set and really, really addressing the needs of our of our marginalized residents at a policy level so

you want to just prepare some information

I will this Yeah,

so yes, this is plan on that.

Okay. We’ll do

some airbag me just to clarify at the very beginning of the retreat, we’re going to do some equity training and ask questions about where the council would like to go that would fit in perfectly there. And then just kind of laying in with what the other retreat is set. The first part of the day is really talking about the progress that’s been made and what else we need to look at for the existing work plan. The afternoon is all what kinds of things should we additionally consider?

Cool. Alright, so with that, we don’t need to vote. We already voted. So Let’s go on to general business and talk about the pepper neighborhood concept plan amendment, a one. ordinance 2027 a bill for an ordinance conditionally proving the pepper neighborhood concept plan amendment. And that’s generally located between Alpine street teldrassil Lane winding drive and Canadian crossing drive. And it’s one condition that we’re looking at. Do you want to go ahead and let us know what we’ll be voting on?

Good evening, Mayor bakley, members of council member chat planning manager here to talk to you tonight about the hepler neighborhood concept plan amendment. Just as a prelude to where you’re going to end up after this presentation, really, you’re looking at trying to make a decision on a note that was placed on a concept plan about 20 years ago that did not have very much specificity to it. That has been a little bit of a challenge. For us as a staff, so we’re here tonight with some options for you that we are hope being that you will be able to give us some direction on or make a decision on. The first option, and again, I want to go through the options first because I think it’ll help us as we’re going through briefly through the the project, but the first option would be to the to accept a donation of land that was proposed by the developer, the which the second option would be to remove the requirement of the donation from the concept plan. We have created an ordinance which is ordinance owed 2027. A, that would do that with no conditions. The third option that you have is the planning and zoning Commission’s recommended option, which would be to remove the requirement for the donation, but to place some restrictions on the property to make sure that it would stay open space and be landscaped. that’s reflected in the seven D version. And then the other option which does not necessarily require any ordinance by the Council would be to provide us some specific direction if you want to keep the donation so that we can continue to try to help the applicant meet that obligation so they can move forward with their development plan. Again, as the mayor noted, the area that we’re specifically talking about tonight is identified in red on the plan. This area is adjacent to Alpine street again North East quadrant of the city along mar 66 is at the top of the screen. 21st Avenue is at the

south end.

The current zoning and land uses when InVision Longmont was updated and the zoning was changed the areas are circled in red on the plans. Those are Neighborhood Center and residential mixed neighborhood In that area as well as mixed use Neighborhood Center is the pink and then again, residential mixed neighborhood is the zoning that surrounds it. This is a picture of the original concept plan that was approved back in 1999. The specific note is blown up and is at the bottom of the screen. It’s note 12. Trust me that it’s word for word for what is in the very tiny text that’s down in the bottom right hand side of the picture. But it states a land donation to the city of Longmont for civic purposes will be dedicated within the commercial area. The configuration will be determined at the time of final planning. That was the amount of direction we were given to deal with. For those that are watching at home that area that is hatched in red, or shows up in red on that concept plan inside that red circle was the area that was identified for commercial on the concept plan. The proposed donation is shown on this screen outlined in blue, the parcel has been tilted to fit onto the screen so north is at an angle. And Alpine is on the bottom of the screen at this point, the blue areas do align with where the red hatching was on the concept plan that I showed you previously. With the current zoning that is residential mixed neighborhood for the actual zoning of the property. The areas are just under a quarter of an acre total. In this proposal, we’ve had a couple of opportunities for public input. As was explained in the council communication, there was an error in the original noticing so we did a neighborhood meeting twice. We did have Planning Commission meeting start on one instance had to stop that because of an error and the Notice went back we noticed, held the public hearing. I can say as you’ve heard tonight from the president of the HOA, there is, I think a lot of concern from the people that have come to these meetings and spoken recently that they are concerned with giving up the donation to the city. So I do believe there is interest in from the community of keeping that donation requirement. planning and zoning commission after going through the review of the project. Councilmember Rodriguez was in attendance. So he could also add a little bit if you have some questions, but they voted six to one to recommend that the concept plan be amended that that note be stricken, but that the property owner has to maintain the parcels that they were showing for the donation that they would be landscaped and that there will be a landscape easement on there to ensure that they would stay open space unless that easement was really pushed by the City Council a future day in case of redevelopment in the future, we never know what what could happen in 2030 years. And that was the thought on that. And that is reflected again in ordinance 2027 be and again, these are the options. And I’m sure there are more and we are happy to talk about those if you have questions, but we wanted to at least give you a little bit of information so that you can consider this tonight and try to give us some direction on what you’d like to do.

Transfer Christianson

Thank you Mr. Chen. Okay, I me This is a is very difficult because it was first came forth in 1999 20 years ago is my understanding from talking to the form Our city manager and the current city manager today that originally the developer, this came under the former affordable housing ordinance, and they were required to provide exceptional benefit. And that exceptional benefit was that they donated some land. But the land that they don’t they did donate also went to Longmont Housing Authority which was which created Fall River which is a wonderful development.


I don’t understand these two tiny little parcels that are left over. By dividing them into they make it impossible for the city to use either of them because they’re so small, that there isn’t anything appropriate that the city can do with them and they are also in a location in the middle of the development which isn’t very useful. to the pub, the general public. So I, I really, the land belongs to the taxpayers of the city of Longmont as a whole. That was the agreement 20 years ago. And I don’t really think we should be giving up that agreement without something else if they wanted to do a land swap, as you pointed out, that’s what happened in the baker development. I have no idea whether this, this developer isn’t the original developer or this builder. So it presents a difficulty for them. They are they took over something which had an agreement that they have to honor some way or other and we also have to honor it but in a way that is acceptable to this to the taxpayers of Longmont who actually own that


and should not just give It Up without something in return. So I, I would like to see if there are some other possibilities like a land swap or moving the land these two tiny parcels that they have to somewhere on the outside of the development so it could be used for something usable by this by the citizens of law the the regular residents of Longmont as well as the people in that community. And I’ve also read all the notes from the planning and zoning there was considerable disagreement about whether this should be just removed as a requirement as well as the the HOA who doesn’t really seem to want it. Not sure why. Nobody wants land, but I think the taxpayers have long been one land So I would suggest that we explore some options about whether we can have one parcel somewhere in a way that we could actually use it. The problem to me is that in the original agreement knows, there was no specific specificity of how much land and where the location was. And that’s nobody’s fault here. And maybe not even the fault of people, then Longmont was considerably smaller, and most of the developers were local, and you know, it was more of a handshake thing. And so the this the, what we have to decide on is, first of all, whether we want to give that land up without anything in return and irritate the homeowners association. And Well, anyway, I think that’s the one thing I would object to just giving it up. I also would like to know if they if there’s any school in that area normally a development has to provide there is a school.

Okay, nevermind

because that’s normally one of our requirements. Okay, I I also would like us to stop using the term open space for undeveloped land because it’s not the same as public open space. Okay.

Thank you. Little opens to the big

Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez.

Thank you very badly. I don’t believe that I heard a lot about this. The planning and zoning commission meeting but I heard about some of it from tonight from the representative from bhi as well as it was just I think previously mentioned is the La Land is not considered a land donation. From this agreement, it doesn’t satisfy the land donation agreement, but it was kind of mentioned, like it was donated, and why would it not


Mayor Bagley, Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez.


when the original developer along the route came through this process, and when the affordable housing requirement was in place, my recollection from that time was that he made a proposal to the council to dedicate, parse those those two blocks, specifically to the Housing Authority. There were some I believe, restrictions on what the Am I that they needed to be very low. Am I and and for the Housing Authority you For, I believe for elderly apartments as well was one of his things that he wanted to make sure it was being provided. And so the agreement was that that was going to cover the affordable housing requirement for that development. And that was how we proceeded under the old housing requirements, the affordable housing requirements. My understanding and Eugene might be able to help me as well as Harold, but my recollection is that the council heard recently within the last few months, a request that Kathy pedlar brought forward to confirm


filing seven and eight which this is one of those filings was still covered under that original donation and did not have to provide any additional housing with these proposals in that in that was approved by the Council as I understand it.

So the Civic the Civic donation is separate from the affordable housing done

Yes, it was and I didn’t want to take up a lot of time in my presentation. But what I can tell you is that over the years what has been talked about, and what I recall from the discussions when this was at because I’ve been here since 99, was that the discussions that happened were that this donation was meant to be in the commercial area, so that there could be some kind of civic use. They had talked at that time about a police substation, they had talked about maybe a library annex or a book drop off kind of building where you could go and pick up books that you maybe had reserved and things like that. Those were the kinds of uses that were talked about, you know, the original. The layout of that plan, was what I would consider more of a Midwest feel with your town Plaza in the middle in the commercial buildings, almost like the old downtown’s that wrapped around that Central Park area. The vision was that these were going to be in live retail stores are buildings and that the city would be able to be given almost a lot. That was a 25. By, say, 100 ish. I mean, I, the numbers are not specific, but that was the vision for that area. And we would be given property that then we could build one of those facilities and be a part of that commercial area. That that was how that vision was looked at. It was looked at as an old town redevelopment in a Greenfield area, that that’s what it was. And it truly was a donation that the city would determine what the use of that property was going to be.

Okay, that answers my question. Thank you.

Mr. Peck.

Thank you, Mayor. So after reading the council calm and all of the additional documents that went with it, it seems like nobody knows what to do with this land at all, and but I don’t think that we should get it up, I think we should keep this land. And I’m thinking that they’re too good parcels because they’re there on streets. The setbacks have been provided already. And so if in my opinion, it would be worth accepting the donation and looking at it for some sort of housing if we can get that done. So with that, I’m going to move to direct staff to determine with a developer on how we can configure the land so that the city can use it for affordable housing units.

By the second

doctor waters.

There was a motion made by Councillor pack and I was just seconded by Councilmember Christiansen Water. Sorry.

So there’s a motion on the floor.

I’d be inclined to I would have seconded the motion. Had you not added just the last part of that? I think there are some I’d like to think of more very positive possible set of uses in affordable housing. Not that we don’t care about affordable housing. But I, you know, the idea of a substation does make some sense. I don’t know how much ground you need. And I don’t know what public safety would say about that. So there’s a potential childcare facility of some kind. Maybe more, more so than a than a substation, I don’t think we should give the lay I don’t think we should forego the donation I agree with direction to the staff to reconfigure so that you’ve got a meaningful parcel of land beyond point one, three, and point one eight or whatever those numbers were,

which would require some re positioning.

I just wouldn’t want I wouldn’t want to personally in a motion to direct it or to nail it down or limited only to have to affordable housing given some other possibilities that I think would be of equal value to the community.

Mayor Pro Tem.

Thank you very badly. I’m just wondering from the staff perspective, it was it was stated that not really any department particularly was interested. And was it because of the particular sizes and configuration of the two lots?

I think it was, I mean, what I heard it was Yes, because it’s kind of hard when you have point one 8.1 to write those Joanie, did you hear anything else but that was an issue I heard.

Mayor Begley and, and council members. I generally sent out an email to all the directors to say hey, here’s the proposal. Here’s what we’re looking at. Here’s kind of the vagueness of what was in this 1999 concept plan. And I think that everyone who responded at least and not everyone did respond. But most responded and said, Gosh, I can’t imagine how we would take on the O and M for something, even if it was land or Parkland. And certainly that will take some more thought from that team to think about what to do with it. But we can certainly go back to the drawing board on that.

Well, I would just imagine also, even from a parklane perspective, that two small disconnected lots would also be somewhat inefficient to manage from a similar perspective and so without reconfiguration, to make them at least contiguous it. I don’t see really the feasibility as it’s it’s configured in the in the proposed plan as is for the city to do much of anything with it. Because point one, three and point one eight or one, five and one eight. I mean, those are even by single family detached Housing standards fairly small. Some, you know, I just don’t see the particular amount of options for the city to make them usable. And I don’t necessarily just want to see them. Use those landscaped open areas either. You know, I would like to see the utilization of space enhanced more than just left open. And so really not sure what to do here is unless and and what is the feasibility of actually reconfiguring the site to make these two little parcels contiguous? And I think that’s another question that we’d have to ask of, obviously, the landowner.

I’m just going to jump in. There are people in the queue, but I guess my thoughts were, I remember back I mean, so at the end of this term, it’ll be a decade that I’ve served here. And I remember seven years ago, we were all talking about we needed we reduced we took action to reduce the amount of parks that we were requiring from article calipers because we didn’t have the money to keep it keep it, right. So I look at these two pieces of land, right? It’s on the original plat that was proposed that this area be donated. We didn’t talk about size, etc. But there was no requirement that they they had to give a certain size. You’re looking at what 12% of an acre, you know, it’s like super small. And so I mean, there’s there’s also a reason we have a planning and zoning commission that voted six one to basically say strike note 12 and make them pay to maintain it. Because I think if we actually, because of the size, it was any bigger, I’d be all over the affordable housing aspect of this. But if it’s just a piece of land that’s just going to sit there. I’d rather require that the developer maintain it rather than

us. Those are my thoughts.

Customer Martin.

Mr. burchette. Can you describe a little bit what the new developers or new builders intended use for this area is it’s I have a concept that it’s changed.

But I can’t, you know, circles I can’t tell.

And Mayor bakley Councilmember Martin, I thought you guys might have a little question. So we we tried to put together a visual and sorry, it’s so small, I’ll try to walk you through it a little bit and use the mouse. So maybe it’ll, it’ll be a little easier to follow.

So, so again, north, in this instance, is off to the right hand corner of the screen. So if we turn this approximately 45 degrees, that That would be North about where my mouse is right now. We have Alpine Street, that this mouse is not cooperating. There we go, okay, it’s better. Okay, here we go. This is Alpine Street. And then the existing development is both on the east side of that street, very village finish that up the last few years. And then the initial original developments are more up to the north original filings along the route did. And then the Dr. Horton developments that came in wrapped around down towards 21st Avenue or down in this end. And so what the applicant has shown is that they are using the commercial area they’re going to do to commercial buildings in this location and if you’ve ever been out there, there’s a pattern red concrete that has kind of a brick texture to a cobblestone makes quite a bit of noise when you drive over, it’s not slow people down, that’s in that location where they’re showing these commercial buildings. They’re doing six apartment buildings than around the perimeter. And those are three story there is tuck in parking underneath. Some of them there is at grade parking that’s between the buildings to try to break that visual ability of seeing that from the adjacent developments. To keep it inside, they are showing landscaping that that at least meets our requirements, the amount of open space exceeds our requirements for the city. And that’s little Oh, not bigger, an open space in landscape area. And so that’s, that’s the proposal so the areas that we’re looking at right now would be in the original drawing at the blue lines would be here at this corner. And then over here at this corner, there are Some easements that are coming in. There’s also an emergency fire access over here that’s coming in adjacent to one of the access point or one of the parcels. I can try to give you more, if that’s not enough, but hopefully that gives you a general understanding.

Councilmember Christiansen

Thank you. So the original plan to have, as you said, a Midwestern kind of City Center Plaza thing is very, very different. And I was thinking, well, we could give, perhaps they could trade us for an office in, you know, a fairly large office in one of these commercial buildings. But that’s those are not very big commercial buildings, and they’ll have a hard enough time renting those as it is. Maybe I am when I look at this that the pepper neighborhood original concept plan, what is up in the north east corner? Is that part of that development? Or is that another part?

Yeah, up there. That’s right. So it doesn’t look like it’s part of the development.

So, again, I didn’t want to go into too much history unless you ask questions about it. So so just for background, prior to this property being resigned in 1999, it was actually annexed originally for industrial development. It was meant to be a more of a business park, an area where we could have opportunity for some kind of Industrial Light business light industrial uses. In order to again gain the council’s favor in the Planning Commission’s favor with the proposed rezoning from pod industrial pewdie mixed use the at that time the longmire Economic Council had a concern with losing that area for business park. And for future employers. They save that area and left it as a business light industrial land use. And that was the proposal. When we looked in did envision long mine and updated the comprehensive plan and looked at our land supply at that time. Talk to the longmire economic or Economic Development Partnership is their name is now

right. The

the the understanding was that that business kind of use in that area was not seen as being be kept. So that’s why it was then changed to I believe it went to medium or residential mixed neighborhood which is a loud for duplexes, and then they came in through the process once it was resolved. To allow duplexes up in that area, so it is a part of the privilege, original development, but it’s not a part of the north or south Hoa.

So it’s not part of this agreement from 1999. I missed your first part, I’m sorry. It’s not part of this agreement from 1999. And has it all been built out?

That was brought forward that this that portion, the gray portion was brought forward several years by Kathy, to confirm that that was covered by affordable housing. The original agreement?

I think or question is, is does the land donation is it specific to this parcel, or does it apply to that one? I’m sorry,

that was I apologize. Sorry. I didn’t mean I didn’t make it very clear. I’ve had a cold so

that’s all right. I

the it was specific to the to the commercial area, the red

Yeah. Okay, cuz I was looking at the other end of the south southeast corner, which it seems to me is a drainage area. Is that correct? Okay, so we couldn’t put anything there that would be any public amenity that would be easy for the for residents who don’t live in there as well to get to that’s what I’m concerned is that it to be useful it should be otherwise. I think getting to it on Alpine if it were something compelling people could get to it, but I, the idea is that it will be useful for both residents of the city as a whole as well as the residents of that community. Yeah.


the original agreement was specifically that it had to be adjacent to the commercial

district. It was to be playing With it as the note the configuration will be determined at time of planning dedicated within the commercial area. The the concept plan identified that commercial area is the as the red area. And yeah, those donations as shown today are within those two it within that red area.

Right. But that’s not very commercial. It’s mostly high density residential now. So I guess it is a quandary. I still think it would be nice if we could think of something to us. I just think that we accepting these two when the original said a land donation, it did not say two tiny little land donations. And so they This to me is not meeting the original concept which was A land donation, one larger area that we might be able to do something useful for the, for the residents of that area, whether it’s a library annex or just some office in the in one of those buildings that would be useful for the people of that town and for the residents of Longmont as a whole who actually owned that property. So

consumer pack.

Thank you, bear. I went explain a little bit about my motion. I think that again, this is land that is not usable, unless we look at it as as if we make it something usable when we talk about a substation a police substation that pulls resources from the city. When we talk about a park that also pulls resources from the city, so it actually cost us More in this land donation. And my thought was if staff could look at this land as affordable housing with our heights bonuses on the inclusionary zoning with our smaller lot sizes, that perhaps we could then read, donate it to Habitat for Humanity or have a developer develop it with some heights to it and get more affordable housing that would not really take resources from the city. And it would work in with the whole development plan because it is apartments, it is mixed use. So that would that is my reasoning behind this. Whether the lot size is too small for anything, is what I would like staff and the developer to think about and try to work something in there as far as a anything else I don’t think that the land is big enough to pull resources from the city at all. So as long as we have land that is going to be donated, I would like to be used toward one of our work plans or something that we are striving for within the city.

Just for clarification, but the motion currently, as Stan says that we use it for affordable housing.

That is what I want to look at it for to see if that is a viable option,

right, Dr. Waters,

experimentally. There we go. We can all speculate about what the right users are. I noticed that Justin Stober is still in the room. He’s the president of the HOA. would would I would like to hear if he has ideas. I’m certainly represents the community has a much better understanding of what they see as the options are, then we do. Could we hear from him?

Does anyone have an objection?

Alright, the body would hear from them. What are your thoughts? Mr. President of the HOA?

No, we’re not giving it to you.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Would it be okay if I shared the presentation that I made tonight tonight?

Does it go to what you guys want to have done? And how long would it be? I can make it very brief. You can do it in two minutes

or less. Yes, I’ll do what I can

actually. Right.

So two minutes or less.

Just like to remind the City Council of the law my mission statement is to enhance the quality of life and those who live in work in and visit our community. Prairie village is posted by the city of lamarque. on your website, prairie village has multiple photos rows of of, excuse me, our neighborhood has multiple photos on your website. This is what people see when they want to know about Longmont, we that’s one, here’s two more all of which are with a block from my house, for example. This is an aerial image of the neighborhood. It’s a beautiful community. It really is. I will save through the planning department processes and kind of what was envisioned when I first developed this is essentially what it was supposed to be. I moved 500 feet to the south. And again, I’m not against the the development but in terms of the architectural review committee, for example, that I mentioned earlier, this is an issue with a lot of our residents. The promise this is a promise of sorts in terms of the concept plan. I do understand over the years privilege has changed, developers split and he always added new things, new concepts, but this overall is the concept plan. This is what through the last 1520 years that homebuyers and families are looking at in order to make the decisions to move in and purchase property in the neighborhood. The plan included single family homes, high density housing, townhomes, apartments, etc, commercial Parks and Rec and green space, according to the legend that Don showed earlier, and the land grant that would be used for civic purposes. The, again, continuing on the promise, we’re looking at that area and in the circle, at no point of what you’ve seen tonight is the new plan anything remotely close to this. Now granted, it was a concept plan. I get that, but this is what people are basing their decisions on and livelihoods on. This is not what is being developed in prairie village. The developer idea of the of the plan, you know, why don’t we give them these two parcels? All right, this is what they want. All right, as you guys have already said tonight, these two small parcels, make it completely inefficient and unable to be managed by the city or really anything productive to be done about it. This is what they want. They want you to just vacate this grant obligation. Again, it’s to forfeit not just now, but forever. We will never have the opportunity to have a civic use purpose for this land grant ever again, if we just give it back to the developer. The original plan promised the prairie village residents and the city surrounding prairie village that they were going to have a civic use. So just

so what civic use would it be? What do you want

jumping ahead.

See I will say that you’re not forced to choose between these options, we can go back and reconsider. According to your 2018 work plan, one of the goals was to provide high quality pre K education to all children in the area. This could be meet both the commercial requirements established by the rezoning and meet the intent of the plan. Just a thought.

You know, let’s see.

And I another idea that was posed by a residence was upon similar to one that is overbuy, rough and ready Park. You know, what, think about fishing or, you know, wildlife habitat, for example. Again, this could be incorporated into the design as a professional engineer, they need drainage. I mean it, there’s options here, we don’t need to just give it up. We should have a civic use for whatever they are. Going to give so city

besides preschool fishing pond, what else?

That that’s what we have right now, sir. Honestly, the planning department, the developer, nobody has come to the residents of prairie village. Nobody has asked for any public involvement. All of these concepts that were floated by the developer into the planning department has been between the planning department and the developer, we have not had a voice.

All right, great. Thank you. Thank you, sir, for your

time, Carol, would your staff be able to provide some insight and options for us? Other than just these general ones? If we kept the land? What what could we use it for?

So I think it depends on whether or not the lands reconfigured and how much space we actually have. So the first conversation would be how do you can it be reconfigured and how much can you get? Its question one, I think as you look at all of these uses, and so I hear a lot of questions. About parks kind of concepts, and it’s not as easy as you know. So we have the pond at rough and ready the ponds actually on the irrigation ditch. And so that’s used to flow water from the rough and ready ditch in through to the golf courses. And there’s a fair amount of lnm expense associated with that, too. I believe Councilmember pecks component point to this. Council will remember when we talked about parks, and we actually established the parks and rec fee, we were talking about the fact that we had a lot of parks plan, but we didn’t necessarily have the resources available to develop those parks nor had we historically prepare for the operation operations expenses associated with those parks. So in mean, we can look at it I’m just saying those are going to be some issues that we need to take, we need to take into account. And I’m going to be pretty Frank in terms of as we’re talking about these because these Are the core operational issues? When we talk about things like police substations? I know we’ve had those conversations regarding other properties, and how that is impacted. So we would have to look at that, you know, the option that somewhat intriguing to me if if it can be reconfigured is something for the pre k early childhood education component. If we’re not the ones mean, then you have to come in and how do you build it? And how do you fund it and who operates it? And there’s a host of questions. So can we give you options as we can, I think the precursor to that option is it has to be reconfigured into usable space, I guess the current motion on the floor, but would anybody be opposed to having staff talk to the developer about the possibility of reconfiguring the land so we get best use out of it? And then obviously, to the point, one of the easiest is if it’s reconfigured, then there could be an affordable housing component that makes sense if you have the space available. Do that.

Right. But still, it’s I mean, a third of an acre is better than two little portions. Would anybody be opposed to actually directing staff to do that?

Can we go ahead and yell? Can you withdraw the motion? All right. The motion has been withdrawn by Councilmember Peck issued the microphone wasn’t on. But she just withdrew it. So it withdraw my motion. All right. Thank you, Councilmember Peck. I’m so used to

that. Yeah, a couple of things. So what I hear councils direction is you’re pursuing option D. to look at other options and reconfiguration. We need to continue doing we haven’t opened the public meeting though. That’s next time, right? Do we need to continue it to date certain if we haven’t done that.

It’s not important, just general business.

So just could just bring us talk to the developer. get as good a piece of land as we can and then we’ll talk options

man council Eugene may city attorney so it’s a ordinance on general business. So we are at first reading I would suggest we continue this matter to a date certain to give staff time was conferring with this burchett The earliest we feel we could bring it back. We’d be that first meeting in February 11. I think

I moved to we moved this issue to the first regular session in February.

It’s been moved by myself and it was seconded by Councillor Martin

icy Kazmir Christianson you’ve been in the queue.

Well, I don’t know if this is appropriate. But I do like Councilman waters suggestion about childcare. So I think what it seems to me that we are most interested in is either affordable housing or child care which would be both of which would be beneficial to this neighborhood and the city at large. If we are able to get Something reconfigured.

You also have the applicant here if you want to ask any questions.

Okay, I was gonna say right to counsel, Mr. Peck.

Thank you have stuff already talked to the developer about other plots of land within this development or reconfigure, have you already had those conversations? Because I don’t want to send you back. If we’ve already done this with

Mayor badly,

very badly, Councilmember Heck, what I would say is that with the lack of clarity and the restriction, it was hard for us to try to negotiate and to get something but I do want to let you know that the applicant has some other ideas for how to use land and other donations. That knowing that there could be some concerned tonight they do have if you wanted to give them the courtesy to have Talk about what those were briefly. They would really appreciate that opportunity to talk to you for a second if

that’s okay. Next week is the open forum. Right?

Could we could we give the developer five minutes to open next week so we can prepare and just sure you’re ready now? All right, come on down.

Get rid that red light.

I tried to make

everybody get a PowerPoint.

That’s my PowerPoint.

All right. So thank you for allowing me to speak is, I mean, it’s interesting. Here in your guys’s conversation as well as Planning Commission, a few weeks back, they they kind of mirror the conversations that we had back in. When does it start March, April, when we came to staff and said, Hey, staff? How do we solve this? It’s in there. We know that so, and nobody had good answers. And so, so we did the best we could. And so the two parcels that you saw that we propose those were actually it was it was it wasn’t hey, here’s but two parcels It was one of these better two years really kind of which one would you like, and, and so that was kind of the thinking. And they were both really close to the the affordable senior housing that’s now been built 120 units that was built as part of the original land donation. So you know, the biggest issue that kept coming back then kept hearing was own em, right. It’s It’s It’s that question. That’s why nobody wanted to take it on. And so as we heard that and we said, All right, well, let’s come up with a solution then, because we felt like it was just kind of getting batted around said, All right, we’ll come up with a solution. And hopefully it meets everybody’s requirements, which is civic need, and doesn’t put burden on the city. So that was really what we focused on. So with that in mind, we came up with a proposal where it’d be a 50 631 square foot, very specific square feet. So this is this is well designed and well thought out. And that’s because our project is, is pretty much well thought out and engineered and completed. So it’s a pocket park with public art. And it would be located the corner of Canadian crossing and tularosa Drive I’ll say or lane rather. I’ll show you a map here in a second. We think it’s positioned to AB meet the requirements and then also be near the general public with the senior housing the most density there of that The development dedicated to the city of Longmont via property deed designed bill paid for and maintained in perpetuity by the apartment owner that solves that component. Park would include outdoor piece, meandering walkway, enhanced landscaping and seating. And they would meet the intent to the public land donation from the concept plan and it would also avoid burdening the city with additional services or budget. So, this was we had our landscape architect put together a concept plan of what it could look like. You’ll see the the center of the of the space is the sculpture. We have some benches scattered throughout to be able to sit and look at it. We have pavers, plant beds, and then sidewalk that meanders through. So it feels very welcoming for the public to come in and enjoy the the public art So, and that is the upper left corner. I’m sorry, I don’t have the right now. This is just some examples of what public art sculpture could look like. We haven’t obviously designed it or

picked it out. Did you have any other ideas other than a pocket park?

We This is what we came up with. Just Just curious. Just curious.


So, again, we, the, the problem was that with without any direction and clarity, other than, you know, make a proposal and give us something we we’ve been plowing forward and we have a pretty much 100% engineered and completed project with building permits ready to go as soon as this gets completed. So that’s, that’s our concern, I think, is the fact that we’ve been asking for a just tell us what it required to meet this and we’ll do it and, and, and so now when we heard Well, we’re not sure if the guy will come up with something. We want to be a good neighbor. We want this to beautify our neighborhood. This is what we developed all the homes around us. So this is the final piece. Right? So.

Great. Thank you.

Yeah. Customer, Martin.

Thank you, Mayor Begley. I’ve been in the queue since before this presentation. So this remark may not necessarily be quite on topic. I wanted to just point out that we have seen another concept plan where the developer is offering up a preschool as as part of the development. And so I’m wondering whether we could appeal to that developer to see if he has a chain or, you know, a partner in completing that concept plan that runs preschools. He might be able to recommend to us.

Nobody’s in queue. I guess my only concerned about the I mean, the preschool idea is only as good. I mean, it’s a for most preschools charge a lot of money. And they’re a for profit business. I think what we need, I mean, just I keep thinking back to those 500 kids that can’t afford it. And so, I guess I still like the idea of just having staff means 1010 at night, let’s just have staff talk to them. You know, maybe I heard your concerns. I think we all heard it, you’re ready to go. But at the same time, I’m hearing that well, no way. Wait, I only met one of them. Pick. not both. I’m hearing. I just think that you guys should get together talk and maybe bring back some options for us.


All right. So we’ll look forward to next. Oh, yeah, there’s a motion for moving it to date, certain, two week first regular session in February which should be what two weeks from now.

Three weeks, or three weeks, or whatever the first regular session is, let’s vote.

Oh, sorry, who raised? Yeah, I’ll go ahead. Yes, sir.

So the one thing you did say I would disagree with, which is I don’t have interest in reconfiguring the site, because we’ve done that. And we’ve come up with our best solution. So my concern is if we had to reconfigure it, we’re talking

and I get it so nice. This was

so this way you guys can talk to city staff about what I mean. reconfiguring may or may not I’m hearing No, that’s fine. But the question becomes, is it one is it both what would we do on those parcels? I think what we’re hearing what I’ve heard from my fellows, I mean, I was originally like, just go ahead landscape it what I’m hearing from my fellow council members, even though we haven’t taken it over Is that they’re interested in keeping the land and finding finding a use for it that will fit with our council goals and vision that that’s what I’m hearing affordable housing preschool. Is that possible? What will we do? How would it look like? And so, rather than keep talking about it, give it to you guys, the experts, then bring it back.

Yeah, this will be one to help streamline and I’ll jump in directly with Johnny.

Yeah. Okay. Cool. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Alright, let’s we take you guys mind if we take a few minutes to Oh, yeah, let’s let’s uh, are we holding?

Yeah, date? Certain. Yeah, let’s vote.

Thank you, Council. Perfect.

Alright, that passes unanimously. Now, does anyone have a problem if we take a few minutes to stretch our legs? All right, great. Let’s do that.

Let’s try to bring this thing home yeah

all right

Let’s go on to board appointments for local housing authority visit Walmart. Let’s start with visit Longmont.

Very good mayor and council members Don cantana. City Clerk you have ballots in front of you for visit Longmont, you have three candidates and one regular member term ending December 31 2022. So maybe if you voted for one,

please. You ready? Everybody ready?

All right. Double Fairing for Davis.

Waters for Davis Rodriguez for Davis.

Bagley for Spencer, pack for Davis, Martin for Davis and Christians and for Davis So Elise or Alice Davis will will fill that seat on visit Longmont. That takes us back to the Housing Authority which the mayor appoints. Mayor you did ask at the last meeting for feedback and so I captured that note.

Yeah, Mayor appoints but council ratifies.

So what I was what I was wanting to do is

wait, what I was hoping we do is so we had great applicants,

great applicants. I was going to put a hold on one second, or to go

Do you need my

shield Right here just pulling up the my notes.

I was going to appoint

Tom to buy

to the unexpired regular member term ending June 30 2022.

Lauren Sally the boulder paralegal

to the unexpired regular member term ending June 30 2021. Then Jeff Moore, unexpired regular member term ending June 30 2020, which is less than six months. That’s what I was going to suggest.

And I thought that

I thought that Michael Stroh was who they wanted, but he went through and Amanda was great. It’s just that the conflict with her being on the Boulder, Boulder housing Partners, I just the board wanted to avoid that. So those were those are my thoughts. So that’s why I propose.

Okay. Did you want to

vote Are you Councillor Christiansen?

You’re correct that as of the as per state law the mirror can only act with the consent of, of council in voting one man housing authority or any housing authorities. I thought when we voted, we voted for Lauren Staley, Amanda row pig and Arlene zortman. And there was one vote for Jeff more but majority of us voted for those three.

When I have my notes, Mayor, if I might from last time, what from last time when we discussed this and you ask council members to share their favorites or you know their thoughts. Three, we’re Lauren Seeley, Tom Dubai and Arlene zortman.

Okay, we’re the three day

got those top from your fellow council members.

Right. I’m work but in talking with

the board

chair and other board members, those are the three that

they suggested. Jeff was the one that they asked for out of the three.

I understand there’s some history here, but he served on the board before for I think four years while I was on Council.


I thought a five five month appointment would be appropriate. So on SmartPak

Yes, Jeff Moore did serve on the board but he was on the board when we had the problem with the board. The problem with housing authority and when I asked him Did he know about that? Was he and Yes, he did. But he didn’t report anything to us about any problems going on or so I would not ratify his appointment.

Let’s go ahead and

let’s go ahead and vote on Lauren Seeley and Tom to buy them as suggested then we’ll go on and handle Jeff more how we’re gonna handle Jeff more. So that way, it’s straight up. We’ll just do it. So all in favor of pointing Lauren Seeley to the

I’m sorry, all in favor of Tom to by being appointed to the unexpired regular member term ending June 30 2020. To

say aye. Aye. Opposed.

All right, that passes unanimously, all and then all in favor of ratifying Lauren Seeley to one unexpired regular member term, ending June 30 2020. One say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right, that passes unanimously. And then all and then all

those. It’s getting

late. I’m I suggest Jeff Moore. All those willing to ratify, Jeff, the unexpired regular member term ending June 30 2020. Say I, actually

that’s what that’s what I, that’s what I want, and then know that it’s a no. So

I’m all in favor, raise your hand so that we can vote? Anybody?

All right, there’s two. And so all opposed.

All right, five to two. All right, motion fails. Okay. What

I’m going to talk to I want to talk to the Julian and Bruce again.

So I don’t Half the point anybody at this point?

Okay, so, crackers before we go home. Alright.

Alright, well, we’ll hold hold the 120 20 seat, which will be recruiting for in a couple months anyway. Right? We would you like me to bring that back at the next regular session was you want to

know I don’t want to I just want to talk to the board before we do it. Okay. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. All right, let’s move on to final call public invited. We heard

there’s a lot of people got you have an opportunity to have a twofer here. No. All right.

Anybody else? No. All right. Let’s go ahead and conclude and close out final call public might be heard. mayor and council comments, anyone?

Councilmember Christiansen

to comments I had the opportunity to tour the Fall River Building before it opens, I would suggest everybody tour it. It’s a very, very nice thing and window pick, it was very kind to show me around. And the Secondly, I would like to thank all the people from Longmont united hospital who wrapped me up and raised me up after I slid on the ice taking my compost out this weekend and damaged my knee. So thank you very much for being so kind to me.

Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez.

Thank you very badly. First, I just like to thank my fellow council members and the staff members for putting up with me last week while the mayor was out of town. And then also just to I don’t have any calendered Council commitments this weekend, but I will be out of state Friday through Monday just for the information of my fellow council members. Thank you

Alright, nobody else is in the queue. I’m just going to say so I was gone last week because I went up to the Wind River Reservation and Crawford White Eagle past who is one of the Northern Arapaho chiefs. And the one thing that I did not realize was going to happen when we talked as a council about a sister city relationship was the actual love, compassion, wisdom and example that I would find in that man. And by far the biggest impact any any purse any singular person or experience or issue, and we’ve had some big ones on Council, for me personally, whether it’s oil and gas or renewable energy, just the way he viewed the world. And the compassion he had for everyone was just amazing. And I’ve never been to such a big sell a big funeral was it was traditional Native American combined with veteran combined with Awake, included ceremony and it was just a it was just a marvelous experience the experience so not only personally but also as the mayor just my thoughts and, and love go out to him and his family. And the tribe is they, they they deal with that loss. And the tribe is led by a pipe keeper and for what they call for Old Men. And just just two days after Crawford, White White Eagle passed, just Amos another one of their four old men passed. And so the tribe is down to chiefs. And, and they’ll be much like the Walmart Housing Authority. They will be trying to figure out who fills those roles between now and Sundance. So whoever comes into that leadership position, we look forward to maintaining and building and augmenting those relationships. All right, so nobody else is in the queue. So, Harold anything

no comments me Council.

Eugene, anything insightful, wise and good to say? No comment but also insightful wise. Alright, let’s go home. Actually anybody opposed to a journey?

All right. I second that. Anybody? All right. All in favor say aye? Aye. We’re adjourned.